White Sox Draft Recap
It just occurred to me, thanks to comments in the previous thread, that today is an off-day. There will be no gamethread for me to forget to post. So, I suppose I should write something. Anything.
How about a quick recap of the '08 draft? No? Too bad. Here it is.

White Sox 2008 Draft Class
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Gordon Beckham -- After holding out until the final week before the deadline, Beckham showed no signs of rust in his first games as a pro, going 7-11 with a HR in his first 3 games. He hit a rough patch (1-25) late to drop his line to .310/.365/.500 in 58 at-bats. He should start the '09 season in Winston-Salem at the lowest, but could open as high as AA if pushed. I expect him to finish the season in B'ham.
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Jordan Danks -- While Danks was the Sox 7th round pick in the '08 draft, I'm listing him here because he got the second-richest bonus. For all intents and purposes, he was their second round pick. Danks, like Beckham, found quick success in Kannapolis, starting his pro career with a 6-game hitting streak. He closed the season with a .325/.400/.625 line with 2 HR and 7 extra-base hits in his 40 at-bats.
Of serious concern though, is his alarming strikeout total of 14. Scouts have been disappointed that Danks didn't show the power growth that they expected at the collegiate level, but I was never concerned. He'll hit his HR in the majors, but only if he shows some growth in his contact skills.
This isn't an issue that can be explained away by small sample size either. He had a similar strikeout rate to Texas teammate Kyle Russell, who fell in the draft each of the last two seasons because of concerns about his contact skills, and had what I would consider a high K total for semi-pro ball (though I have no clue where to find those stats again. Larry?).
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Brent Morel -- I wasn't thrilled with this pick based largely on the low walk-rate demonstrated by Morel in college. He quickly proved that he was too advanced for rookie-ball and settled in nicely with the first two in Kannapolis. While I didn't like the numbers on Morel, I could see what the Sox scouts saw of him in his video. His swing looks more major league ready than Danks or Beckham, short and compact, and should allow him to hit for a high average throughout the minor leagues. He's showed a respectable eye in low-A, but the lack of discipline he showed in college allow with his limited power figure to relegate him to utility player status in the majors (in my extremely premature estimation). He's said to have a plus glove, so any improvements in walk rate or power potential could turn him into starter material.
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Drew O'Neil -- O'Neil posted some gaudy numbers as the Penn State closer thanks to his funky delivery and extreme groundball inducing ability. He's been able to carry over the groundballs and strikeouts, but his control hasn't been up to par. I expected O'Neil to move very quickly through the system (and he still could), but his first 30 innings were a huge disappointment.
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Daniel Hudson -- A bit of a sleeper, Hudson, like Cassell of a couple years ago has good but not great stuff across the board, a low 90's fastball and a average-to-plus curve. He's something of a young Javier Vazquez in that he has continued to post high strikeout and low walk totals, but has been unable to prevent runs from crossing the plate as much as you would expect.
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Ken Williams -- He's kinda fast, but so is Kent Gerst. I never saw any news on an injury, but he didn't see any game action since late June. I'd rather just assume he was injured and not the alternative, that the Great Falls coaching staff decided he was worthless after 11 games of .114/.279/.229.
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Steven Upchurch -- I know, I'm going out of order again, but this is about where Upchurch fits in based on bonus received. He was ranked as the top prospect in the state of Alabama by Baseball America, and was thought to be about a 3rd round talent, though the Sox got him for 5-6th round money. Upchurch has a projectable body, and already boasts a low-90's fastball. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start in Kanny next year, but even if he doesn't it won't be too much of a disappointment because of his age and upside.
- Dexter Carter -- Out of order again, but Carter is the last notable player the Sox drafted, at least as far as I'm concerned. Carter was a college teammate of Hudson, and has posted remarkably similar numbers, maybe even better than Hudson, at Great Falls. I'd call it another steal in the 13th round, but last draft's steal Sergio Miranda wasn't exactly lighting up the minors this season.
There you go. Now you have a place to bitch about Nick Punto and Kenny Williams Jr in one neat little thread.
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ken williams contracted mono during the college baseball season and my understanding is that he's been down at the arizona minor league facility since late june.
free brian anderson!
by larry on Sep 4, 2008 4:51 PM CDT 0 recs
I remember the mono
but was that the official reason for his disappearance?
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by The Cheat on
Sep 4, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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or was it a water ninja?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
Sep 4, 2008 5:13 PM CDT
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you know the only person ever who could fight off a water ninja with his bare hands?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on
Sep 4, 2008 5:14 PM CDT
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chris martin of coldplay.
regards,
colin
"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"
by Toonderstrook on
Sep 4, 2008 5:28 PM CDT
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You are going back almost a month for that - great memory, Toonder.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 5:53 PM CDT
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its depeche mode
FOOL.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Sep 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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it's rookie league and it's a sixth round pick.
i’m not sure you get “official” reasons for such things. i can’t remember where i read it. fairly certain that’s the reason and that’s where he is.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Don't get SSH started, A-hole
KWJ IN THE 6TH ROUND!!! WAFJ!!! WASTED DRAFT PICK!!! THIS IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL ORGANIZATION!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 5:55 PM CDT
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don't forget oney
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Sep 4, 2008 8:04 PM CDT
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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT A JOKE ORGANIZATION!!!!!!!!!!!!PISSING AWAY MONEY AND PICKS LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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danks beatrice stats
http://www.beatricebaseball.com/Images/2008/Stats/Stats_8-14.pdf
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by larry on Sep 4, 2008 5:35 PM CDT 0 recs
Got that secretary working hard, don't you?
Nice info. Thanks.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 5:57 PM CDT
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the link was in the fanpost i posted a couple weeks back. took all of 25 seconds to get it again and update it.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Well, it's appreciated.
At least someone cares about our future.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 7:51 PM CDT
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i know i appreciate mr. icahn, too.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 7:57 PM CDT
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they've got a player called Busboom

that’s a bit out of order, I want an apology
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Sep 4, 2008 6:02 PM CDT
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When did a bus blow up in Peoria?
regards
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term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Sep 4, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
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piss up a rope fuckstick
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by hoodlight on
Sep 5, 2008 3:07 AM CDT
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piss up a rope is one of my all time favorite Ween songs
check it out, if you haven’t already
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
Sep 5, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Ween? never heard of them
It’s a shit name for a band mind
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by hoodlight on
Sep 5, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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But they are hilarious, despite what you may think is a shit name
Here’s the link. Pay attention to the lyrics and keep in mind that they do a lot of parodies.
In the side bar, you should also check out bananas and blow. I think that should be MM’s theme song.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
Sep 5, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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comedy band
might be ok to see live, but not the sort of thing I’d listen to at home.
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by hoodlight on
Sep 5, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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rec'd
"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"
by Toonderstrook on
Sep 5, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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That song always seems to come up as a sing-along on road trips with my band friends.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 5, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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you've been (somewhat) accepted here. no need to continually remind us that you're friends with all the cool shoegazer band kids in seattle.
"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"
by Toonderstrook on
Sep 5, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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hahahahaha. (somewhat) Noted.
But I promise I am not intending to “seem” cool by mentioning such things…in fact, their music is not really my schtick (though they are extremely talented musicians and I love them as people) – though it is really fun to dance to at concerts.
I only know that Ween song because of them. And frankly, I find it annoying as a result.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 5, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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where are the twins updates?
what is happening? is it because it’s in canada? sometimes you have to set politics aside, people.
free brian anderson!
by larry on Sep 4, 2008 7:58 PM CDT 0 recs
apparently travis snider is kinda good
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 4, 2008 8:10 PM CDT
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Jesse Litsch is making me hard right now...
He’s at 98 pitches through 7 innings. The Jays will need one more strong inning from someone and then B.J. Ryan can get Mauer, Morneau, and Kubel out in the 9th.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 4, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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Wasn't his strikeout rate pretty awful in the minors?
His holes will be figured out soon enough.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 4, 2008 8:17 PM CDT
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He's 20.
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by colintj on
Sep 4, 2008 8:18 PM CDT
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Wow, didn't know he was that young.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 4, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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at least he's got a full time job.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 8:20 PM CDT
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LOL!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 8:27 PM CDT
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and he's not gonna work at red lobster the rest of his life.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 4, 2008 8:48 PM CDT
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when did colin get a better job?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on
Sep 4, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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when is the all or everything twins offense going to show up?
i thought teams that didn’t rely on the home run always managed to “manufacture” runs? so confused…
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 8:20 PM CDT
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I notice you didn't post this last night. ; )
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 4, 2008 8:38 PM CDT
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yeah, i came to that same conclusion.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 4, 2008 8:42 PM CDT
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thank you vernon wells
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 4, 2008 8:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Damn straight...
Insurance run!
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 4, 2008 8:19 PM CDT
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OT - what the fuck is going on in my old city?
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html
125 dead this SUMMER? Do we need a “surge” in Chicago? Are Sox fans really that despondent only being up 1 game? Or are the dead hookers that larry and MM say are “not missed” finally being counted?
And I though Orlando had violence. Jesus.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 4, 2008 8:29 PM CDT 0 recs
orlando is not that violent. christ's sake, wu. are you channeling joe cowley or something?
quit listening to his first wife. katie says orlando is a lot more calm now. i’d think you’d know plenty about the lying of prior wives.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 8:34 PM CDT
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what are normal numbers?
that sounds bad based on what i know, which is that 300 in a city the size of Baltimore is very bad. so i know basically nothing.
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by colintj on
Sep 4, 2008 8:44 PM CDT
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well, if 300 is very bad for baltimore
chicago should probably be well above 1300 to be appropriately thinning the herd.
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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 8:47 PM CDT
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so they're less than half of very bad
what’s that make it? good?
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by colintj on
Sep 4, 2008 8:49 PM CDT
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sounds like very bad to me. we've got a budget crisis in this country, you know.

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by larry on
Sep 4, 2008 8:52 PM CDT
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fucking animals.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 4, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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there you have it, wu. south loop the safest part of the city.
i’m not gonna point out any kind of correlation with neighborhoods and violence. let’s just make a blanket statement about how dangerous this city is.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 4, 2008 8:55 PM CDT
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Jefferson Park, my man
Where I lived for awhile – and had both my apartment and car broken into. In 1982.
You live amongst the animals.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 4, 2008 9:04 PM CDT
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i'm safely 35 floors above the riff raff.
and though there was a shooting about a block from my place, it was post-taste of chicago, which really brings out the dregs of the city (and suburbs). all of the areas that i frequent are unsurprisingly safe and nearly violence-free.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 4, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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jeff park eh?
i thought i smelled OPOS stench that had been festering for about 26 years. you couldn’t take it with you?
by Trooper on
Sep 5, 2008 1:13 AM CDT
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Was not an OPOS then.
Was like the majority of youse guys – mid-20’s, drunk a lot, making no money, chasing tail.
However, I DO travel to your neck of the woods specifically to foul your neighborhood once a yearr, Trooper, because I care.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 5, 2008 7:02 AM CDT
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What's with the ongoing comparison to Iraq? We fucking got it in the sub-header, you asshole.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 4, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
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Ongoing? One comment?
WTF? Are you channeling your inner Pops?
Someone is having that time of the month, perhaps…?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 5, 2008 7:09 AM CDT
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So lame.
And I see 3 mentions/comparisons to the death tolls over there, including in the second sentence of the article - forgive me, I just don’t see the relevance, other than to present an image that Chicago is supremely dangerous; present the idea that Iraq is somehow going well; or just to have some bullshit comparison to Iraq to make the article more appealing. They could have easily left it in the sub-header (or not), and then not mentioned it again until the very last paragraph, and the idea would have gotten across just fine.
Also, I don’t have to channel my inner-Pops. I have his genes and 24 years of influence – I’m pretty sure I don’t need to channel him to opine like him.
opodookie
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by homesickalien on
Sep 5, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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It was not meant as social commentary, just a tweak.
Let me know what subjects really get you riled up (the war) and don’t (any comment on your virtue) and I’ll be sure to properly address the subject matter.
Lighten up. I didn’t write the article. And, yes, you do mirror his sensitiviy and yet is all yours.
(I do miss the guy, though. Tell him to look up from The Daily Kos once in awhile and give a shout, even if he hates us. It doesn’t make him a bad guy.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 5, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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Obviously, I am well lightened-up, WU. I would not consider this article to have riled me, just as the good-humored pokes at my virtue do not rile.
I just hate crappy journalism, and the need to relate two ideas that don’t belong together
…I would hate to go into a rant about Iraq, WMD’s, and 9/11.
Shit like that, WU. That tweaks me.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 5, 2008 9:13 AM CDT
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the point that (predominantly) black men living on chicago's south and west side are being shot and killed at higher levels than americans in iraq seems a rather salient one.
despite it’s obvious use as an attention grabber, and one that has been used many times in the past. we should perhaps be aware of why journalists and others need to resort to such tactics to draw attention to the high level of gun violence in chicago.
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by larry on
Sep 5, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Aside from a general lack of creativity on the part of the journalist? Because I can see attention needs be drawn to the topic, but us readers can't do much about it other than acknowledge its existence.
And maybe get a vest if we plan on venturing into those areas.
I don’t need that comparison to be able to process that that number is ridiculous.
I presume that anyone in a position to take action on this subject, already knows about it, and doesn’t need the cbs.com Iraq comparison to see that 125 deaths-by-shooting in a span of 3 months is unsettling.
Besides, the body count in Iraq has been considerably lower this summer, compared to previous months/years. Last April and May (2007) alone combined to total 223 deaths – in two months time.
So while the comparison (though still beaten to death) makes the article stand out in terms of how awful crime has been in Chicago, I think it cheaply compares two ideas that really have no relation.
Maybe I would have like to seen an “expert opinion” quote or speculation as to why this figure is what it is – what is going on in our economy that creates more violence? I work in a corporate job and have a certifiable degree and still am struggling to stay afloat – no doubt that people in far worse situations are handling the economical stresses differently.
(WU) What may rile me up, if anything, is the need to dumb everything down and put news into such plain, blanketed terms for the greater audience of Americans. Like I said, most people don’t need to have that Iraq bit to identify the problem. Only stupid ones. I wish media would challenge the audience to heighten our minds, rather than cater and contribute to the ever-dulling of our nation’s intelligence. That definitely riles me.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 5, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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I presume that anyone in a position to take action on this subject, already knows about it, and doesn’t need the cbs.com Iraq comparison to see that 125 deaths-by-shooting in a span of 3 months is unsettling.
a rather naive presumption. i would note that smart people like you usually need the “stupid ones” to get something done.
and, if i may, i wouldn’t call it “dumbing down” per se. this is for tv, remember. when someone says to you “125 people have been shot and killed in chicago” that fact doesn’t mean much to most people without a context and would be in one ear and out the other. make a comparison that requires someone to put a bit of thought into what the comparison, however malformed you think it is, means does the trick much better.
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by larry on
Sep 5, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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So even if you were watching it on tv and the anchor said,
“In the past 3 months, (insert any city) has racked up 125 shooting deaths….” …that number wouldn’t strike you as crazy outright?
(obviously this is not the language they would use but you get the idea)…
Why not compare this total to another city in the US, for example? Why not compare to New York’s crime rate or LA’s? Seems like those comparisons would be just as effective in conveying the “holy shit” of it, and far more contextual and relative.
Then, if you really really couldn’t resist, throw that Iraq comparison in at the very end of the article/story. For shits and giggles.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 5, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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so you think the sox are going to score a lot of runs off lackey and saunders? wanna bet?
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by Toonderstrook on
Sep 5, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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How 'bout those Twins?
Whaddya think of "Z"’s injury? Huh?
I looked at the odds of tonight’s game, and we’re favored! Even with MB throwing a gaudy 7+ ERA the last 3 games, IIRC. Home, sweet home.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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you mean q!'s injury?
there is nobody on the white sox referred to as z. accordingly, i know nothing of any z and his injury.
regards
"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"
by Toonderstrook on
Sep 5, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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Oh, I thought SSH had started using your handle.
All Scrubs/Twinks, all the time. Sorry for the error.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 5, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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q! ? Or do you mean Q! ?
Maybe z is the new name for Chelexi / Cuban missile?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
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MB is going to be unhittable. I can feel it. 8-10 Ks.
And I’ll be in town this weekend (for my dragon boat races!) to see the whole se


