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Danks Returns to Form, Sox Still Fall

There was a small silver lining to be found from Sunday's loss to the Angels. John Danks appeared to have worked through his dead arm period, lost release point, whatever he had going on, to put together a nice (though not "quality") start. Danks still found himself leaving his changeup high in the zone in his last two innings of work, but the change was down in innings 1-4. Plus, he seemed to have both better control and the ability to more readily put hitters away, as evidenced by his 7:1 K/BB ratio.

Danks was pulled in the 6th after he allowed his first run of the game following back-to-back-to-back hard hit balls over the span of just 5 pitches. His quick exit was determined more by base and out situation and the scoreboard than it was by pitch count, but with his change losing effectiveness late I'd say he was getting a bit tired. Still, Danks as an 80-90 pitch pitcher is better than the Danks we saw doing 5th starter impersonations in the last few outings. If I was Ozzie, I'd keep Danks at or around 90 pitches for the remainder of the regular season.

Offensively, the Sox managed just two solo-shots (one each by Paul Konerko and Toby Hall) against Joe Saunders. Ozzie went with a rare all-right-handed batting order, subbing in Brian Anderson and Josh Fields (combined 0-6) in addition to Hall. Individually, all of the subs could be defended, but I don't like seeing 3 subs in any one so-called Sunday lineup and I would have liked to have seen at least one left-hander breaking up the parade of righties.

The Angels scored the eventual winning run following a couple of questionable choices. First, Horacio Ramirez entered a tied game. As if that wasn't bad enough, Ozzie called up Ehren Wasserman with the go-ahead run 90 feet from home and nobody out. After Wasserman coaxed a first-pitch ground out from Vlad Guerrero, Ozzie called for the intentional IBB of Torii Hunter to load the bases, which seemed odd to me with Juan Rivera on deck, almost assuredly to be replaced by the left-handed Garrett Anderson. Sure enough, Anderson came on as a pinch-hitter, and lifted a deep fly ball down the right field line. Jermaine Dye caught the ball in foul territory, just a step or two from the wall, which allowed Guerrero to score easily from 3rd.

I questioned the IBB, but if you're going to play for the double play, if your intent is to increase the likelihood of allowing no runs in the inning at the expense of increasing the odds of a big inning, why catch a ball in foul territory that results in a sure run? Wasn't the all-or-nothing directive set by the walking of right-handed batter to load the bases for what eventually turned into left-handed batter? I don't fault Dye for catching the ball. It just seems to me that the two plays came from opposite ends of the run-prevention playbook. But baseball players probably don't think that way, and certainly not as they're running toward the line to make a catch just a few feet in front of a low wall.

Where Was That Pitch?

For once, Hawk's constant whining about balls and strikes was warranted. Just take a look at this chart. See those 7 or 8 little green squares in the lower right side of the zone? Those are called balls for White Sox pitching. Notice all those red triangles around that area? Those are essentially the same pitches thrown by Anaheim pitchers, but they were called strikes. One or two of those pitches going uncalled is unfortunate, 7 or more is a pattern. That pattern really seemed to get accentuated after Ozzie Guillen gave home plate ump Eric Cooper an earful from the dugout when he awarded timeout to an Angels batter for the second time after Danks had started his motion.

I'm not saying. I'm just saying...

Make no mistake about it, the Sox did not lose Sunday's game because of Cooper's divergent strike zones. But there's no question that those strikes-called-balls changed the outcome of at-bats, which in turn changed the shape of an inning, and thus influenced the outcome of the game.

Bigger Picture

For a weekend that started out about as poorly as imaginable, with the loss of the unicorn-riding, stuff-you-liking, homer-hittin' Carlos Quentin, and ended with the Sox blowing a 2-run lead, I'm feeling pretty good about the weekend in general. I quickly processed the loss of Quentin, with a little Al Davisism "Just win, baby."

The Sox and Twins are both flawed teams. The Sox are an offensively old, slow team and don't really know what they're going to get from any of their 5 starters on any given night. While the Twins offense is powered by 2 superstars surrounded by a merry band of role players, but their bullpen, which is usually a strength, has let them down. One of these two teams, flaws included, has to make the post-season. Might as well be the Sox.

If you had told me on Friday, in that woe-is-me happy hour after we found out Q! had passed on but before first pitch, that the Sox would have taken 2-out-of-3 from the first place, playoff-bound Angels, I would have been happy. If you would have told me that the Twins were gonna drop 2-out-of-3 to the Tigers in the Metrodome, blowing leads in both losses, I wouldn't have believed you. Picking up a game on the Twins, while simultaneously taking 3 home games off their remaining schedule is a big win for the Sox.

All-in-all, the weekend turned out about as well as you could have reasonably expected.

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"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 8, 2008 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

The next few games are rough...

A.J. Burnett
Jesse Litsch
Roy Halladay
TBA
Justin Verlander

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 8, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I was having Budweiser and some

wings at that new place on 35th and Halsted after the game yesterday, when I noticed the guy sitting next to me had a huge Sox World Series ring. I introduced myself. He was Bryan Little, who played with the Sox in ‘85-86. He is now their Major League advance scout. He told me flatly the Blue Jays were the best team in baseball…and he didn’t stutter, reaffirming that statement a couple times. Whereas I don’t necessarily agree, I don’t think it an outlandish thought, by any means. Of course, he raved about their pitching. He saw them last week vs. the Twins.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a very scouty thing to say...

if you saw the Blue Jays only this week (and didn’t look at any numbers), you probably would think that they were the best team in baseball. They’re on an eight-game winning streak, and have been playing very good baseball since the All-Star Break.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

We talked about some other things, too.

He was remarkably glib. Said the Sox were a bad defensive team. Although that’s no big surprise, I was a little taken aback at how forthright he was. Maybe he thought I had some credibility because I remembered him and buttered him up by calling him one of the greatest bunters the game had ever seen. No joke.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

In addition....

I watched quite a bit of that series. Except for the middle infield, the Jays are probably as good in sum total everywhere else as anyone in baseball. And I love Travis Snider….great hitter real soon. They’re gonna be a co-favorite next year if they keep their pitching together….Burnett, for one is a free agent.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Jays are pretty meh.

They don’t really have any huge holes anywhere, but aside from Halladay, they don’t really have any stars, either. They’re good, but it’ll be difficult to make them great.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

They have a pretty great bullpen...

This year at least. I don’t expect Jesse Carlson and Scott Downs to repeat their performances (who would?). Their Pythag pegs them at 81-61.

They don’t overwhelm me. I think they could be great — with a full season of healthy Vernon Wells and a few tweaks here and there.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 8, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's not a hugely controversial statement to say the three best teams in the american league are in the al east.

i wouldn’t call the jays the best team because their offense is not that great. but their pitching staff is the best in baseball.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

With a total team hitting VORP of 81

I dont think I would be buying that one. Their pitching is absolutely fantastic no argument their.

Rays only 1.5 up on Boston.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

They've underachieved.

I’m looking at them as if people were having reasonably decent years. And someone has to emerge as a power presence….could be Snider. However…..the power could come from Rios. Lind, Wells….etc. all just doing a little more in that area.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not certain what insight slicing up their team vorp provides.

total it up and consider their competition. the white sox and angels may have somewhat higher team vorps. but they get to play a whole lot more shit.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Slice it whatever way you want

11th in runs in the AL. It is what is.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

right. so?

1st by far in the AL in runs against. what difference does it make how a team gets to a +88 run differential?

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's your point?

Im not saying the Jays suck. I said their offense wasnt good and its not. Their hot right now but that won’t cloud my judgement for the whole season.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

What don't you get Larry.

I don’t think they are better than the White Sox or the Angels. I pointed to their offense as part of my evaluation.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Umm exactly

Which is why I tend to subscribe a lot more to a team’s record this late in the year. Toronto is 10 games over and used a recent 8 game streak to get there. The Angels are 30 games over, have won on the road this year and trounced the East head to head.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I don’t really see how Im doing that. Why because its the only thing you should consider? All Im attempting to do is slow down this train of Angel diss. They are flawed. No doubt. But they HAVE done a few things this year others have struggled with like win on the road and beat the acknowledged toughest division in baseball.

Exactly eight days ago Toronto was 2 games over .500. This isnt a 3rd or half the season, its 3/4 past. I believe it was CWSKeith who referenced a piece at some point you have to start acknowledging a team’s record vs their pythag. A lesson the Sox have learned all too well over seasons.

Im not calling the Jays busters or pushovers. I just don’t think they are 1 of the top 3 teams in the AL.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

that piece you reference was discussing how they will perform over the last month or so of the season and why using Elo and stuff may be a better predictor.

not how they should/did perform over the course of the whole season. one still uses pythag to analyze the overall performance of a team to help determine whether/how they under or overachieved.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fine Larry.

I’ll take the Angels and Sox ahead of Toronto. You can put who like in your Top 3.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

who you like

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a huge fan...

of pythag myself, but the fact is that it’s a better predictor of future success or failure than raw w/l.

Since larry likes BP, here’s the 3rd-order adjusted standings (which tries to look beyond raw runs scored/allowed and adjusts for strength of schedule) -

1. Red Sox – 90-53
2. Rays – 85-56
3. Blue Jays – 80-62
4. Yankees – 80-63
5. White Sox – 79-63
6. Indians – 74-67
7. Angels – 73-69
8. Twins – 73-70

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we are all aware of their 3rd order record

And I can 100% disagree with you on it being a better predictor of future success than w/l record at this point of the season or most of the season for that matter.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

not sure where future success entered this conversation and why it did.

so we’re clear, my contention is the top three teams in the AL are in the AL east. that’s for the season.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know Larry

Not directed at you. I understand what argument you are making.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was for both of you.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's close enough...

that it’s probably not really that big of a deal.

The Red Sox and Rays are pretty clearly 1-2, and a bunch of teams are fairly close together for third.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Angels might have something to say about that...

but I’m surprised at how arguable it is that the Jays are as good or better than the Angels.

The thing about this year is that, while there are several good teams, there are no real standout, excellent teams. The Cubs are probably the closest thing to that, but they’re flawed, too, and they’ve beefed up their numbers against some pretty crappy NL teams.

It’s making for an interesting season, that’s for sure.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, the angels can talk all they want.

but i don’t think they’re as good as the jays. they get to play out west, after all, while the jays have the privilege of routinely getting to play two teams that are certainly better than them and another that’s probably about as good. i don’t think the angels are better than the sox and perhaps even the twins, personally. but they have stacked up the wins so they get to be in the argument.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

I thing the Angels are the most overrated team in baseball, and have been saying it for months now.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Where the hell are allof them, then? You must be living in a different world than I.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry. i forgot that some people actually listen to and consider the opinions of idiots.

i’ll revise. no one who actually knows anything about baseball thinks the angels’ record accurately reflects their talent.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

They play the game...

the “right way”.

In all seriousness, the difference between the Jays pitching and the Angels pitching is probably Roy Halladay (and that’s a big difference).

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you this, though.

They are a hell of a lot better with Texeira in the middle of that lineup. Before, not too scary.

by dantesox on Sep 8, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

From top to bottom, sure.

the back of the Angels’ bullpen isn’t really that exciting.

But that’s not a huge flaw.

I’d take the Angels’ lineup (now that they have Teixeira) over the Jays’, although I’m not a fan of Juan Rivera or Garret Anderson.

But the Angels are a very flawed team, I agree.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Jays are a good team

Especially since they got out from under that moron of a manager they had at the beginning of the year.

I think I’d still take the Angels though. They have more experience in big games. Garrett Anderson is a pure hitter. Reminds me a lot of Harold Baines. Plus with Hunter, Lackey, KRod, Vlad, Arredondo, Big Tex, Saunders, Shields…. The Jays may get to that point next year or the year after…but not right now

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

you must not remember harold fondly.

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would always pick harold over any other lefty i have ever seen.

but if i had to compare someone to him (as far as average, style and personality) no one compares better to him than Anderson

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure i agree with you a hundred percent there on your police work, there, lou.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys act as if anderson is shit

His career average is .296. He has 2300+ hits, he has 271 homers and 1283 RBI’s. From 2000-2003 he hit at least 28 homers and knocked in at least 116 runs. This is why i compare him to Baines because unless you are a fan of the team he plays on you don’t really know too much other than his name.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

not that he's shit. he just ain't no hal baines.

he has two full seasons with an ops+ better than baines’ lifetime ops+.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

As far as being a great hitter, who is a quiet guy

both lefty, both under rated…. I think they compare pretty favorably. Of course I would pick Harold if i was starting a team….but Anderson is a good option “B” in my opinion.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

garret anderson is not and has never been a great hitter.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

his lifetime and yearly stats say otherwise.

That is the same statement that people make about Baines everytime the hall of fame voting comes up.

Find a player that compares better to baines in the last 20 years as far as stats, personality and style. maybe you will find a better one

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

there might not be a good comparison to harold baines, but that doesn't mean garret anderson is a good comp either.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

There you go

I’ve been saying that for years..finally I am justified. Thank you El Guapo

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just remember: All assertions made on this site are now being monitored for strict mathematical accuracy at all times.

Even the slightest deviations from the most rigid standards for truth and rectitude will no longer be tolerated.

Oh, and that goes for YOU too (points everywhere at once).

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry

I’m interested to hear your take….what do you think?

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

i hadn’t given it much thought prior to three minutes ago and initially i’ll say that harold was a better hitter because he got on base more. but if your contention that anderson is the most comparable player right now to baines, i think i have to defer to BR for that. seems like you’ve got it nailed.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a proud moment

a KenWo victory on South Side Sox…. I am smiling from ear to ear right now! If my wife walked in she’d think i had just cheated on her with my cheesy smile haha

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

two things.

1. most similar does not necessarily mean they’re that similar.
2. larry didn’t used to think b-r’s comps were worth much. wonder what changed.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh admit you were defeated by KenWo

and get it over with dammit. Why must you rain on my parade

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought he was using BP
BR’s comps are silly.

somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.

by larry on Apr 12, 2008 1:39 PM CDT

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

April 12?

Do you stalk larry? how the hell do you remember that?

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

used larry's trick.

i have a good memory, and i used the search function in the upper right-hand corner to confirm.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

B-ref comps...

don’t have any adjustment for era, do they? The peak of Anderson’s career was in a much higher-offense era than the peak of Baines’s career.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's accurate.

which would be why their OPS+ don’t match up well.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

No adjustment for era and it's technically not a BRef measurement.

It’s the old Bill James similarity score, which James himself I think has even acknowledged are just interesting (as opposed to meeting the stringent standards for debate on the internet).

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

all i said is all you said. harold was a better hitter.

you then proceeded to throw in some bullshit about ceding to a b-r comp that you think is shit.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said harold was a better hitter too

but if i had to compare him to someone Anderson would be it

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 8, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

good gravy.

this all started with you making a comp of harold to garret anderson, which you did not have to do. my comment was you must not think highly of harold then, because harold is clearly a better hitter. how this got into whether if someone stuck a gun to your head and you had to compare someone to harold it would be anderson i don’t know.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw, any idea why there are still no comps on bp?

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes. life as i know it will end if b-p says garret anderson and baines are good comps.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're quite easy to wind up.

i just wanted to post whoops.

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by larry on Sep 8, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, remind me to tell u guys about...

…the time Harold, me and Thad Bosley went on a night on the town w/ Minnie Minoso circa ’80. man, am I old.

by RoyEgan on Sep 8, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

when you say "you" i think you're forgetting one person

All-in-all, the weekend turned out about as well as you could have reasonably expected.

although you did use the qualifier “reasonably” so maybe it’s understood he’s excluded.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 8, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice recap, Cheat. I also feel really satisfied with the weekend's results. (And it doesn't hurt to see the Twins lose at home either).

I didn’t get to watch the game yesterday, but I would have probably thrown a minor shit-fit seeing Horacio come in….I know we had to go deep into the bullpen on Saturday, but even his appearance that night made me cringe and anticipate the worst.

Regardless, it’s great to see Paulie continue hitting. And we had a whole weekend of decent pitching – bullpen included.
I had fun. And I have faith in the next 3 weeks.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 8, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Decent weekend.

We’re now 5-5 against the Halos, and I like us against them just like I did in ’05. Rays are running into hot/good teams, but I still think the Sox will have a tough time against them. What I really feel good about is if we stagger home (like the rest of the Central) I feel strangely confident about playing the Twins, which I did not 2 weeks ago. If it all hinges on the last weekend of the reg. season I like our chances.

However, I do see us with an early exit in the playoffs. But that would be a huge “W” for the year to get that far. And since I amended my 72-90 preseason prediction in May to max out at 81-81 I am more than pleased thus far.

180 innings left. One at a time.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

The only team that really scares me in the playoffs vs the Sox

is the Red Sox. Certainly all the teams can beat them, but Id like their chances much better vs Tampa or LA.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rays still blinding you, eh?

They have been playing the Jays tough on the road, just have added Longoria, and Price might be on the way soon (so they can perhaps shoot Percival). Plus, since they kill at home, and will have a better record than us, I think they have the advantage.

I’m less scared of the BoSox. They remind me of the 2005 BoSox, who were supposed to take us apart. I like our chances against them.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

No not really blinding me.

As I said I can see any of the playoff teams beating the White Sox. But I still think they match up well vs Tampa. And I think the White Sox are the team most likely to beat the Rays at their home in a playoff game.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez, a walk-off extra-inning granny and a 1-0 blowout being the last 2 losses

to the hottest team in the majors? Razor’s edge, man. Shoot, we were swept earlier this year at TOR when the Jays were not nearly as flammable.

And, WTF is “even you”?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

the "even you" is because you're typically a positive guy.

you missed my point. it wasn’t that the rays didn’t play well or that the games weren’t close, etc. it was that if the sox had been in the same situation, i don’t buy anybody would be using close games as some consolation right now if the sox get swept. instead, it would be about inability to hit or to get timely hits or to pitch in pressure situations.

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK - it's a defensive day for me, so thanks for clarifying.

If the Sox played it tough and lost every game on the road to the “best” team in the majors with our lineup missing 2 of the best players I might do a “hat-tip”. (Disingenuous, I know, but if we are facing that same scenario this week – God, I hope not – I’ll have just the opportunity to be consistent, won’t I?)

I didn’t like losing 2/3 to Cleveland on the road, but what the heck – they were pretty hot at the time and we also faced Lee.

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by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

note also, defensive man, that i wasn't even commenting about whether i agree with the logic behind what you said.

just that i didn’t buy we’d see any of it here. i probably could have put it a little more nicely, though.

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

how many chickens?

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

something seems familiar here.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 8, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Swisher - out looking??

On the last out Swisher was caught looking at the same exact pitch that was called a strike on a previous pitch. What’s with that? Did he think the umpire was going to change his mind on what’s a strike.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

by phastphil on Sep 8, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Disagree

That pitch looked much more inside than the previous two (which I thought were borderline to begin with)

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Sep 8, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

he could have misread it as a breaking pitch and thought it would drop out of the zone

he cou;d have just missed the location, which y’know can happen

he could have thought it was in fact a ball since the previous 2 strikes were very inside (though still strikes) and that last pitch was further inside (check gameday if you want proof)

he could have sneezed as the ball was crossing the plate causing him to miss it

by jeeves on Sep 8, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, not getting this.

the last pitch was a fastball. the previous pitch was a fastball for a ball. the pitch before that was called a strike, but was not a fastball. i guess the last pitch was fairly close in location to the pitch two pitches prior, but it isn’t as simple as you’re making it out to be.

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

We just to live with that style

Its maddening sometimes. He and Thome are similar in that if they think its a ball, they almost always take it regardless of the situation. I think most fans just kind of look at it and say from little league on you’re told to swing at anything close. Striking out with the bat on your shoulders to end the game just sucks, especially if you feel he wasn’t particularly fooled (nasty curve). That’s life.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 8, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matchup: Blue Jays (76-66) at White Sox (80-62), 7:11 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: A.J. Burnett (193 1/3 IP, 4.75 RA, 1.40 WHIP, 201 K) vs. Javier Vazquez (182 2/3, 4.53 RA, 1.30 WHIP, 175 K)
Pythagorean Record: Toronto, 81-61 (631 RS, 543 RA); Chicago, 80-62 (719 RS, 624 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Toronto, #7; Chicago, #6
Prospectus: The Blue Jays completed a sweep of the Rays yesterday, running their winning streak to eight games, the team’s longest since 1999. Toronto’s win and the Yankees’ loss moved the Jays past New York in the AL East standings for the first time since June 6. If Toronto was in the AL Central, it would probably be tooth and nail with Chicago right now for the division crown, as these two squads have nearly equal Pythagorean and third-order records. But playing in the AL East as one of four of baseball’s top nine teams, the Jays are eight games out of a playoff spot. Canadian fans can still take solace in playing the spoiler down the stretch, which their team has done expertly in the past week—Toronto hasn’t been beating up on the league’s underlings, taking down the Yankees, the Twins, and the Rays during their streak. Now they will attempt to ruin another contending team’s day, but they’ll have to do so on the road in a very tough venue.

While Toronto’s pitching staff has been outstanding all season, the team’s recent surge can be attributed to the offense finally lending some support, with six runs per game in the last eight. The Blue Jays’ big-ticket outfield combination of Alex Rios and Vernon Wells has finally begun to hit like the franchise cornerstones that Toronto management is paying them to be. Vernon Wells is at .320/.375/.580 since returning from the DL on August 10, while Alex Rios has pulled out of his long season-opening funk, with a .358/.391/.679 performance over that same period. Add in left fielder Adam Lind, who has an 868 OPS since being recalled from Syracuse on June 22, and top prospect Travis Snider, who is holding his own thus far, and Toronto has gone from a team that was scrambling to fill its outfield corners with replacement-level talent back when Wells was hurt, to a team that has one of the better outfield rotations in the league.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe any team could have claimed this guy...

before the season started when the Rangers DFA’ed him. This is like the offensive version of the Angels DFA’ing Jenks. He’s still only 28 too.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 8, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

we shall see.

i haven’t watched him this year so i don’t know the specifics of what he’s doing differently in the past, if anything. a lot of those numbers are tied up in three big games. if cameron had done this analysis on friday, this guy would look rather pedestrian.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

winningugly, this one has your fingerprints all over it.

http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=83680&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1194726&highlight=

somebody is going to get sued.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

That's me, OK - "Page not found".

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't have said it better myself...

although now I kind of regret insulting retards by comparing them to WU, that OPOS.

;)

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much work.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 9, 2008 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

The weather report for tonight looks grim

Would there be a day/night DH tomorrow if this one isn’t played?

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

they could shelve it and make the jays come back to chicago on sept 29 if the game means anything.

otherwise, seems they’d have to have a DH. only one more off day til the end of the season between sox traveling to KC and to Minny.

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

at any rate, mlb isn't going to let them do that.

that day is penciled in for any potential play-in, for which the white sox are certainly a candidate. plus, if there’s another rain-out down the stretch…

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, you're telling me I won't have a good excuse

for taking a 1/2 day off work tomorrow?

Maybe I can visit Q! in the hospital.

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i am saying you will have a good excuse.

assuming you think white sox games are good. mlb will want them to play now. they (and players, too) dislike nothing more than having a team that has no stake in a game play past the end of the regular season against a team that does. the jays are liable to send syracuse.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Syracuse, I hear they have one hell of a coach!

Couldn’t resist. The writers at Yahoo! Sports seem to call for Robinson’s (?) head on a daily basis.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch...

“Report: New York Mets’ Billy Wagner to have surgery, could miss 2009 season”

I hope this never happens to “Easy Heat”.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 8, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he's had TJ surgery already

I seem to recall “easy heat” talking about Liriano’s injury (last year?) and how he had experienced something similar, only to come back and throw harder than he had in the past.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's correct.

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois

by larry on Sep 8, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Proving, once again, there's a first time for everything!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it raining in Chicago?

It has been raining all day here in Rockford… if this system moves to the Chicago then I doubt we will be able to get tonights game in.

Plus its pretty cold, but I’m ready for fall

by 815Sox on Sep 8, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this Matt Forte fella for real?

Although this is completely subjective, I like the way he runs — he’s built well but is also real nifty on his feet. I still think that — more than anything — the offensive line will prevent them from being anything more than a seven or eight win team, but last night was certainly a welcome surprise.

by CWSKeith on Sep 8, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's too early, but it was nice to see the bears be able to run the ball when indy was stacking the box.

i don’t have any numbers in front of me, but it sure seemed like his TD run was the longest run by a bear in years.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Viva Kyle Orton!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

oy.

vey.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 8, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He certainly doesn't pick the prettiest hookers, now does he?

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

a guy can't have a cocktail once in a while?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

it certainly makes me want to knock back a few jack and cokes

;)

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

toonder, I think you need to see a therapist so that you might stop projecting

it’s my brother that won’t let me in the main part of the house near the liquor.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

weird. i was just reviewing a rapist's file.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

conidence? I think not.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is an everyman

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just living up to the alma mater, guys.

A proud Boilermaker. As we all are.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit no comment

I’m still not convinced by any means, but that was a surprise. Maybe god is trying to teach me a lesson about expectations or something this year

by 815Sox on Sep 8, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is your site's meteorologist

soliciting opinions on the probability of

1. The Sox calling the game well prior to 7:05.
2. Getting the game in tonight.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Here in Naperville - rain, rain, everywhere - no let up in sight

Who’s with me for playing hooky tomorrow if there’s a day game?!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

One response?

COME ON, YOU PEOPLE!

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's early. They haven't started the serious drinking/meds yet

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm listening. Nothing now.

Nothing on Sox website.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw nuts!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing on Sox website,

but MLB.com shows game as postponed.

Jerry still hoping to sell a few $6.50 beers?

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would think

(maybe for effective dissemination?) they would put it on the FRONT PAGE of whitesox.com. Not many sane people (no offrense AEG) think to look under “press releases.”

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure didn't...thanks Guapo!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 8, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

no offense either.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game Cancelled

Does this mean we skip Richard and go to the next starter.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Sep 8, 2008 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

not if there's going to be a doubleheader tomorrow...

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

What, we can't get a good 12-13 innings out of Javy?

Christ.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

javy? doubtful. christ? maybe normally, but i heard he's got some tendinitis that's flaring up.

"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 8, 2008 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Christ played 2nd base

I have a signed hologram baseball card of Jesus that says he played a mean second. He was kind of a slap hitter, but I’m not one to judge.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 8, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

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