Who Pitches Saturday?
by The Cheat on Sep 8, 2008 11:47 PM CDT
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PrintMonday's ceaseless rain has caused yet another pitching crunch for the White Sox. Without an off-day between now and Tuesday's double-header, one of today's starters (Javier Vazquez or Clayton Richard) has to go on short rest in their next start, or the Sox have to call upon another option.
According to the Tribune's Mark Gonzales, Don Cooper "virtually ruled out" Aaron Poreda as an option, with Gonzales going on to cite the layoff since Poreda's final regular season start on 8/29 as a reason he isn't an option. Of course, for those of you who follow Larry's interminably-titled minor league threads, you know that Poreda pitched just a few days ago, on the 5th to be exact. He struck out 9 and walked 2 in 6 innings of 2-run ball in the Southern League playoffs.
The other options appear to be Lance Broadway (no, thanks) and DJ Carrasco, which would require the shift of some high-leverage bullpen work to Scott Linebrink and/or Mike MacDougal.
All of the options have their drawbacks. Javy pitching on short rest might require a quick hook and a rare economical effort from him on Tuesday. Carrasco would need to be given a few days of buffer on either side of Saturday where he was unavailable from the pen. Broadway would require the purchase of some revolutionary new padded uniforms for our defenders. And Poreda would be making his major league debut in the middle of playoff race.
All of this is my way of saying, 'hey, we needed something to talk about this morning following an off-day. Why not this?'
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i would either go with
Poreda or Broadway. preferably Poreda if they allow him to pitch, but if not Broadway has surprised us before so maybe he will come up big again….
The Sox seem to be terrified to use Poreda..
..which I’m not sure I understand, given the options.
they are protecting their investment
they realize how valuable he is at this point, particularly with Count down for the…um…count. he’s going to be used in ‘09 in all likelihood, but it may be in trade or in the rotation. either way, interrupting his progress for a couple innings isn’t a good idea financially.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
they're obviously committed to him as a starter. and they want to control his innings and when he's pitching these innings.
i imagine he’s now been “eased back” (as opposed to shut down) in anticipation of another 30 or so innings in the AFL next month. bringing him up to for the bullpen would likely mean added “stress” over this month but without many innings. and would probably preclude him from pitching in the AFL. so his IP for the year might be something like 125, instead of 145. not really a good total for a guy you want to be starting.
obviously the cancellation changes what the sox thought things would look like. but you can’t jerk around a young arm. it’s generally better to choose a plan and stick to it. looks like the sox made their decision last month when they assigned him to the AFL.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
What's this "buzz up" crap?
Is that like a rec on crack?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
spread the word!
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
like some sort of digg thing?
oh thats the yahoo digg thing, right?
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
An echo from abroad!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
ha sorry
not read your postings!!
anyway I’m glad yesterdays game was rained off, means I can watch a midweek game for a change. I’ll be buying some cans on the way home and have the Chinese takeaway on speed dial.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
I wouldn't say I'm "glad" the game was canceled because of what it does to our rotation, bullpen and players during this streak of no rest.
But I am sorta excited that I get to watch the first game at work.
I get a cheap thrill watching games at work.
As if to say…I am so better than this job, that I can do with Hawk and DJ in one ear.
cheers, hooderino!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
fuck em
they got a day off anyway, and most of the time they are standing around doing bugger all anyway
Sox fan from England, marching on together
ha, such perspective you bring to the discussion.
Yes, most of the players just stand around doing bugger (getting fatter) and should not have a problem with consecutive games, even in the same day.
But this late in the season, the pitching staff is tired enough…and we have a crippled rotation as is. Our bullpen is going to be worked rotten this week. Let’s hope for some solid starts and low pitch counts before Saturday.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
But no one is answering the question!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Tell me about it!
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by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I gather it has something to do with this
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
DJ
Seems like the best option to me. Try to squeeze 5 innings out of him.
The Sox have MacDougal and Linebrink to use in the days around DJ’s start. And while I don’t have confidence in either of them, I’d have more faith the could successfully relieve for a few days than I do in Broadway making an effective start.
I never thought I would say this
But I am beginning to feel a little comfortable with Macdougal and maybe using him in a higher lev situation.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
In case there were doubts that Nate Silver is a Sox Fan
Bonus Polling Update, 9/8
“White Sox did get rained out tonight, so I’ve been able to update the charts and graphs on the site. A couple of notes:”
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i just read that too
so the legions of pol fans are checking him for updates, hoping that silly baseball doesn’t get in his way.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Pompous gasbag to the Tribune?
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
I like that absolutely nobody wants to work with that douchenozzle.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
for audience edification.
considering the sox’ three game lead in the loss column over the twinkies, if the sox go .500 the rest of the way (10-10), for example, the twins need to go 12-7 to tie for the division. such a tie would obviously cause the tiebreaker rules to come into play. currently the sox are ahead by one game on the first tiebreaker and tied on the second. see below for the rules and be able to impress your friends and co-workers.
Excerpts from Major League Rule 33 and Major League Rule 34
Scenario #1: If there is a tie for a Division Championship and the winning percentage of the two Clubs tied for first place is higher than the winning percentage of each of the second-place Clubs in the same League, the Division Champion shall be:
The Club with the higher winning percentage in head-to-head competition between the two tied Clubs during the championship season; or
If the Clubs remain tied, then to the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in intradivision games during the championship season; or
If the Clubs remain tied, then to the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in the last half of intraleague games during the championship season; or
If the Clubs remain tied, then to the tied Club with the higher winning percentage in the last half plus one of intraleague games during the championship season, provided that such additional game was not a game between the two tied Clubs. This process will be followed game-by-game until the tie is broken.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/division_ties.shtml
other rule permutations also at the link.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
scenario #1 = nearly unpossible at this point, right?
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
i believe the twins have already clinched
so yes.
playoff most likely, barring the ridiculous. but it’s fun, if somewhat useless, information.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
no, in that for scenario #1 to apply the sox/twins record would have to be better than the 2nd place al east team's.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is what BM said.
Before being dissed.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
larry posts great information and deserves credit for it.
but i’d be willing to bet if anybody else had posted scenario #1 of the excerpts rather than scenario #2, he would have taken issue with it since it has almost zero likelihood of applying.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
good lord. you people are insufferable. it's amusing information. talk about it with your friends. or not. christ.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
y'all are so cute
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Just don't take issue or try to interpret/clarify/edify, buster.
Kim Il Jong is also quite “generous” under the proper circumstances.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
actually, toonder made my point
albeit more briefly, before i posted but since my computer didn’t refresh i didn’t see any replies.
brian anderson would've caught that...
Jeez, BM, get a DSL or cable modem or a T-1 line, or something.
Making us >40’s look bad, man. I don’t need help.
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Good stuff Ray boy
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Thanks! I can't wait to spread this great knowledge around Seattle where everyone here will surely be impre-....
oh wait, nobody gives a shit about baseball here.
I was serious with my thanks, though. This is good info with which to be familiarized. Though I really hope it doesn’t come down to it…
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
most likely the tiebreaker rules will not need to be used though
if the white sox and twins tie, they will just play a tiebreaker game unless they both end up with a better record than whoever comes in second between boston and tampa which seems unlikely. right now boston is in 2nd and has a 7 game lead over minnesota.
brian anderson would've caught that...
the tiebreaker game is part of the tiebreaker rules, you know. so i'm guessing if they're going to play a tiebreaker game they're going to be using the tiebreaker rules. hence why i reference and linked all the tiebreaker rules.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
tiebreaker.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The man continually gives until it hurts -
someone else. If he’s throwing an unsolicited pearl, you’d better damn well catch it. And do not point out typos.
(PS Genius, I cut and pasted the link you so generously sent yesteday and still could not get anything other than “page not found”. In order to search for the post I typed in “larry retard” and, don’t you know, 16 results came up, with mine on top! Thanks for being inclusive.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I believe you are replying to larry.
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by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
You believe correctly - poor transition.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I like this part
"if the sox go .500 the rest of the way (10-10), for example, the twins need to go 12-7 to tie for the division. "
Pitching, defense and health.
Do the next right thing.
Win today's game.
i did insert that example to show the difficulty the twins will have in overtaking the sox.
obviously not impossible by any means. but the .545 or so twins would need to play something like .630 ball over those nineteen/twenty games to simply tie the sox, who are a .560 or so team, if the sox were to play just .500 over the stretch run.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
ramirez rookie of the month for august.
promptly declares “mission accomplished”, stops hitting, and cedes september to the sunnis.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
His worst enemy right now is the high fastball...
Pitchers seem to keep throwing it to him and he keeps swinging at it for a weak pop-up.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
he's having a rough start to the month. at least the jays' staff doesn't feature any hard throwers.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
ot, but were you at all encouraged by saturday's showing? one of my co-workers grew up in a2, is a michigan football freak, and is still freaking out.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to butt in, but when Urbal Essence Meyer took over at UF
the Gators didn’t exactly immediately inspire confidence (had to sprint to finish 9-3, IIRC). If they have the raw talent they’ll be fine after they figure out the system.
Ohio State’s another story. (Tee hee.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Ohio State is going to lay the wood to us
in a big way. Could be one of the most lopsided results in OSU-UM history.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I may be prematurely rejoicing,
but I hope their “victory” Saturday was a portent of the rest of the season.
I’d love to see them shellacked this weekend.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
and you claim to be a boilers fan? won't help the boilers (or badgers or wolverines for that matter) if other big teams get trounced by non-conference foes.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not a "circle the wagons" guy re: UM/OSU.
Too much embarassment too many times put to us. Shoot them both down in flames. You stinkin’ Badgers can hold up the honor of the Big Ten.
Nothing personal.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i sincerely doubt it will happen
Tressel is too good at what he does and his players are too talented.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by what he does
do you mean get guys cars and other illegal benefits and then throw them under the bus when reports come out?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
part of the reason the guy at work is freaking out is (a) they run different spreads (i.e., rodriguez's is really, really run oriented) and (b) the ohio states of the world will be able dissuade guys from going to michigan based on the fact nobody runs
a rodriguez type offense or anything close to it in the nfl. apparently that was a selling point for pryor, who surely would be starting at michigan right now.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
it's not really really run oriented.
look at the run/pass numbers. and if tim tebow isn’t an nfl prospect, i’ll eat my hat. what you play in doesn’t matter to the nfl unless you’re a product of that environment more than you are talented. so his concerns are somewhat weird. he needs to keep it real and have some fun.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i was giving you his impressions. i wouldn't know the difference b/t urban meyer's spread and rich rodriguez' without watching both of them a lot more.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
my guess is that they are largely the same
what matters for us at this stage is technique, not scheme, anyway
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
right on. all inexperienced skill players at this point, right?
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
by and large, yes.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
btw, i think part of his deal is he is still pining for les miles.
"i'd like to think of me returning when i can to the greatest little boozer and to sally maclennane."
by Toonderstrook on Sep 9, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
the marginal difference between top notch coaches
isn’t worth pining over.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
the defense is very good and the offense is prone to sucking combined with
random jaunts of 20-50 yards. rodriguez is playing his freshmen and figuring out what he has and once he’s done that, we’ll be able to go forward with an offensive gameplan that’s more tailored to the specific talents and weaknesses of the offense. we probably won’t have a decent OL until mid-way through the season, if at all though, so that’s really going to bugger things for this season. next year we still won’t have a QB, but at least we’ll have an OL. that plus a defense is a 8-4/9-3 team.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
getz also hurt; today's lineups
Infielder Chris Getz has a fractured bone in his left wrist and has limited duties. Getz was hit by a pitch from Triple-A pitcher Wade Davis on Aug. 31 while playing for Charlotte. A second round of tests revealed the fracture, and the normal healing period is four to six weeks, Getz said.
Today’s lineups:
TORONTO
Inglet 2b
McDonald ss
Rios rf
Wells cf
Lind dh
Overbay 1b
Rolen 3b
Zaun c
Snider lf
Burnett p
SOX
Cabrera ss
Pierzynski c
Dye rf
Thome dh
Konerko 1b
Griffey cf
Ramirez 2b
Swisher lf
Uribe 3b
Vazquez p
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
I guess we know why the Sox dumped Haeger to call up Bourgeois now.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
fuckin hell with this wrist bullshit
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
At least his happened in a game.
dammit, Q. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!!!!!!!!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
That happened in a game, too.
I’m actually not too upset about Quentin being hurt. Shit happens, and at least now they have a reason to use all those aging sluggers. It’s not like Jerry Owens will be getting a ton of playing time or anything.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 9, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew I should have been overly specific with that comment....
but you know what I mean dammit!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see General benched for game 2 today.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah. griffey isn't going to play two full games in a day.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
hopefully he doesn't play 1 full game
as in bringing in BA as a defensive replacement which would mean the white sox would be winning.
brian anderson would've caught that...
We didn't think he would play center either.
Ozzie works in mysterious ways!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
be careful when you throw out "we".
ozzie isn’t going to do things that would break griffey, especially now.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo(Q!)geois
fer chrissakes, I know he's not going to play both games. just trying to annoy you, lar.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Pennant race and financial meltdowns are pressuring us all, HSA
(Besides, you already are good dealing with guys who are snippy. Poppa comes to mind.)
BTW, aren’t you flattered that all these guys are wondering what you look like? And flattering pictures, too. (All I get are grizzled troll-like octagenarian comparisons.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I know - I shouldn't jest in light of everyone's escalating stresses. I am also sensitive since Friday's events.
I don’t know if flattered is the word – I wonder the same about all of you, just for the sake of knowing “who” you are talking to; but you guys shouldn’t be flattered. :)
I am glad that my representations are at least accurate in terms of damn good-lookingness.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 9, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I missed yesterday's game (thankfully)...
…but I’ve heard some griping on sports radio today regarding the umps.
Did they screw the pooch?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
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