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One of those could be erased within the next few days if Freddy Garcia decides to return to the South Side.

A source Wednesday confirmed that the 33-year-old Garcia is considering signing with the Sox, while the Mets, Rangers and Yankees also are in the mix.

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Interesting that they'd sign both Garcia and Colon

But given their injury histories, I guess I couldn’t hurt.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Jan 15, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions  

If this is true

Good deal.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 15, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions  

Can we sign Charles Nagy too?

I don’t think his arm has fallen off, just yet…

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 15, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

I assume at some point you will make a reasonable argument

besides sarcasm on what you would have against these type of signings.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 15, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you want Fatolo + Sweaty,

or would you rather have Penny or Smoltz? I’d take one of the latter over 2 of the former. That’s my basis for consternation. But that’s me.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

couldn't help but check in old man

but the red sox signed them to hella more if you take incentives into account…

if kdub was in position to offer more in base and incentives, then sure, i would rather have penny and smoltz

later

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jan 15, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

How goes the defense?

And if they hit their incentives they will be well worth it. The issue is – did we have the extra $3MM/pitcher? I bet we do.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 15, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If we had the team they did, in the division they are in

And just lost out on Mark Texeria I’d agree. Considering what we are trying to do I’m pretty happy about Colon, Garcia. Less risk and no reason to believe they can’t do what a couple older / injury prone NL pitchers can’t do.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 15, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Base salary is $4M more with Smoltz's incentives

running upwards of $10M I believe . . . max Colon contract is $3M which would likely be a great value if he reached those incentives. Smoltz also is not going to be ready for the start of the season. Don’t think there is any way to fault the Sox for not bidding on that.

by jc2313 on Jan 15, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering the money involved . . .

no I definitely would not prefer Penny and Smoltz.

by jc2313 on Jan 15, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

little league championships too

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 15, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

lets not get crazy here...

those are reserved for superstars like myself not those guys

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 15, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

WU, you're not going to find a better investment than this right now.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 15, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't I know it.

OK, KenWo, how ’bout you, Huckleberry? Scared?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 15, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

How much jack do you want to put down?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

is this an even money bet?

or are we doing odds?

I’m prepared to act as the bookmaker here

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Jan 16, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Even money. KenWo is not a woman.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

fucking faggot europeans.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

then you are going to have to agree

on what metrics to use, and how the pitchers qualify for the bet to stand

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Jan 16, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Get out of my bet.

We’ll let you know when needed, hoodie.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Did I ever mention how much I hate that Fat Fuck Sweaty Freddy?

With his arrogant calling-out of fielders who didn’t play perfectly behind him?
Phuck him.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 15, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

As far as Garcia, that all but ends any chance the Sox will pursue him, with the club excited about Marquez, and also having an insurance policy possibly returning in late July in veteran Jose Contreras [ruptured Achilles].

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/01/sox_sign_colon_bye_bye_freddy.html

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 15, 2009 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

cowley? if so, Phatso is at the doc's office now for his physical.

if not, maybe it’s true.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 15, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Count = insurance?

Count = AIG? I agree wholeheartedly. Sox ask for a bailout in July/August.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 15, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

How in the world are the White Sox high on Marquez. It’s one thing to say it to the press but if they actually believe it and are making their decisions around his ability, they have even more faith in Don Cooper than I do.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 15, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF am I missing about Marquez?

Seriously/

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 15, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

he makes a mean chili mac

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 15, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you the police?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 15, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

sign him ...

what the hell. freddy knows how to pitch. better than broadway ever pitching an inning in the majors.

by Hatchetm on Jan 15, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

i know how to pitch, too.

execution is the issue for us both.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 15, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Broadway pwned the Royals in his first start bud

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 15, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the idea of signing every over the hill pitcher on the market

Combine them to form one uber-out of shape, past their prime 5th starter. Like a disabled Transformer.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 15, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

yeah, Voltron style

blue lion – Colon
green lion – Freddy
yellow lion – El Duque
red lion – Sheets
black lion – Pedro

This is what I love about White Sox fans... You guys have so much fun venom!
by SullyBaseball

by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Freddy ready to sign with Sox?
Bartolo Colon signed a one-year deal to step in as the No. 4 starter.
And don’t be surprised if Freddy Garcia agrees to a similar deal within the next few days.
As reported in the Daily Herald Thursday, Garcia is strongly considering returning to the White Sox.
When asked, indirectly, if the addition of Colon completes the starting five, Williams coyly said: "We’ll see."
That is code for no, but Garcia might get a better offer from the Mets, Yankees or Rangers.
Either way, Colon’s presence probably means Jeff Marquez (acquired from the Yankees in the Nick Swisher trade) is likely headed for Class AAA Charlotte, which is the right spot.
If Garcia heads elsewhere, Marquez, Aaron Poreda and Clayton Richard are positioned to compete for the fifth starter’s spot.

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1248

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 15, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

There's something very wrong

When that quote is attributed to some forgotten wrestler instead of the Blues Brothers.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

+1000

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

not the blues brothers man...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

I was 99% sure you weer an idiot.
now its 101%

This is what I love about White Sox fans... You guys have so much fun venom!
by SullyBaseball

by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Shouldn't El Duque be ready at some point this year?

I think the Sox owe us fans a rotation with Buehrle, Garcia, Colon, Contreras and El Duque. Nothing but the best! Trade Danks and Floyd for young pitching.

by NLaloosh on Jan 16, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

No - I faced him last year and fouled one off of him.

Plus, his control was non-existent.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I get the fat jokes.

I guess what I haven’t got for the last 2 days are the old jokes in reference to years past players. Colon and Garcia are 35 and 33.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 16, 2009 7:01 PM CST reply actions  

'Cause they are obviously past their prime?

And are broken down the last 2 years? Like old guys. Age may be just a number, but their numbers look like they are a lot older.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

But you want a 41 year old?

Off an injury? I get how great Smoltz has been but cmon man.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 17, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

He always kept himself in shape. Plus, I like his track record coming back from injury.

$5M is expensive. But it is’t that different from $2M in the grand scheme of things.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 17, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

Smoltz is pitching in the AL for the first time and would be going from a relative pitchers’ park to a launching pad.

So I’m not seeing the appeal, either. The $4 million difference pays for Jenks.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 17, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just being intractable

because I like Smoltz and can respect his bodfy of work and work ethic. Hard to respect Freddy and/or Colon because of previously mentioned behavior. (Throwing teammates under the bus and girth, respectively.)

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

you should read this week's economist.

lovely article there about the bias people have against “fat” people (amongst other biases) that have little to nothing to do with for what such people are being evaluated. arbitrage is a wonderful thing.

I never thought this day would ever happen. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage.

by larry on Jan 19, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Rick Reuschel was fat and it didn't affect his pitching.

CC is fat and still seems to get the job done (understatement). Wilbur Wood was one of my faves as a teenager. Fat and being a good pitcher are not mutually exclusive in my book. I may be marrying a cause-and-effect that is poorly correlated but might he have gotten hurt because he gained too much weight?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

But I will look up the article - thanks.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

gained too much weight?

not sure those guys have gained much weight over their careers. and some subscribe to the theory that being larger is better for a pitcher’s durability (and i don’t just mean not being five feet seven inches and 150 pounds but the size/build of cc or even a colon).

at any rate, with colon or freddy i think it’s far better to put the emphasis on pitching 200+ innings almost every year for like 8 straight years than on wasting time with fat jokes.

I never thought this day would ever happen. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage.

by larry on Jan 19, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Colon hasn't put on weight over the years?

Puhleeze. He’s always weighed 250 (andthat is “official” present weight)? Look at his rookie card. And tell me that increased weight as one ages is a healthy thing and does not affect pitching mechanics. How many folks do you know that have knee issues as they get older because of the added mass? Add that to the amount of force needed to drag that arm over that increased base of flesh and I’d bet it increases the amount of strain on the arm/shoulder.

But that’s not a medical opinion. I defer to Dr. bhoov on that. If he says machts nichts, then I respectfully withdraw my ill-informed opinion. If not, I expect you to do the same.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

1997 baseball card - 6'0", 185 lbs.

So he’s grown 33% + in weight and lost height in 11 years. It just might affect his pitching, no?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 19, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i said i wasn't sure.

i don’t follow french canada.

I never thought this day would ever happen. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage.

by larry on Jan 19, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't get the fat jokes

Garcia isn’t fat and Colon was fat when he was great so who cares.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 16, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He was not 250 lbs.

(And I’d bet 25 is a slight low-ball on Fatolo’s weight.) Freddy just looks fat.

Plus, fat jokes are funny.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 17, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

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