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Around SBN: Seahawks Trade for TE Kellen Winslow

"Going into Spring Training, we don't have a leadoff hitter and Jerry [Owens] is considered to be a leadoff hitter. It's math, not magic. It's going to be tough for me, going in [to Spring Training] and knowing that if I play clearly above the rest, my only reward is a platoon situation. It's not something I want."

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I say give the man a fair chance to win the job

We didn’t have a leadoff hitter all of last year and we somehow made it.

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

Which man?

BA can screw up just as badly as Owens, and he never pulls a groin.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

screw up what?

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a reason he is appoaching 28 years old

and has never played a full season in the majors. And it isn’t his injuries.

Fer Chrissakes.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes! Yes!

Can we officially declare him a bust and move on?

Okay. Feel better now.

by RoyEgan on Jan 16, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

the CF prospect we got in the Swisher trade

what, we didn’t get one? nevermind…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You think someone is going to not only give up a great player like Marquez, but throw in a CF prospect too? Get real.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of Marquez
Either way, Colon’s presence probably means Jeff Marquez (acquired from the Yankees in the Nick Swisher trade) is likely headed for Class AAA Charlotte, which is the right spot.

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1248

h/t Jim

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

BULLSHIT

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

kenny is sharpening his pencil!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

wow. what a shocker.

the guy with 80 unimpressive IP at AAA is going to start in charlotte. who could have possibly seen this one coming. boy, that colon signing sure has wide-ranging ramifications.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

wide-ranging

i see what you did there.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 16, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont know ive learned to not question decisions this team makes with

people they acquire from other teams albeit most of the other ones have better track records than marquez but still

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

masset sucked.

marquez is spanish for masset.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

masset is a unique element

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

like boron?

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 16, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

boron van masset!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

masset van benschoten

I hope he never reaches the majors with us, if only because the stitching of his name will bankrupt the team

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 17, 2009 3:59 AM CST up reply actions  

This was posted yesterday, Wizard, IIRC.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

par for the course

I’m speaking for me!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I did like the link provided to Van Dyke's article:

Basically, the Sox replaced the relatively guaranteed victories that came with Javier Vazquez—who was traded to Atlanta for catching prospect Tyler Flowers, infielder Brent Lillibridge and others—for the “what-if” of Colon.

“Relatively guaranteed victories”, eh? Interesting.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Relatively guaranteed victories

Must mean Phat Phreddy…
Isn’t he Ozzie’s wife’s sister’s Uncle or something?

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 16, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

niece's husband?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Jan 16, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd.

Wow. He gets a vote?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

yea wiz

whaddya thinkin?

\\

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

par for the course...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for BA.

I’d rather see him speak his mind, get shipped out, and get a chance elsewhere. Perhaps he’ll never be more than a 4th OF, but he deserves to find out.

Written as a BA fan. BoyCrush and all..

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 16, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

i've long stated my preference for brian

and jerry to fight to the death for centerfield. at least a roster spot would be cleared.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

watch. he'll get shipped to the Yankees and he and Swisher will

fight it out for 4th OF.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 16, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

damn right

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I say

let BA play cf, and if we don’t find any sort of leadoff type, let getz have it, so what if he is young and inexperienced, its not like if we don’t win this year, were going to look bad,the cubs wont even do it haha

by Samuroth on Jan 16, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions  

ideally thats what i have been hoping for

but how often do you see a rookie leading off for a team trying to contend

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Any idea what a team would have to trade for Brian Anderson?

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

aa reliever.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d sure take Anderson over a lot of other options if that’s all it takes. Surprised no one really has shown interest (publically at least).

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Am I just a biased idiot

To think Brian Anderson should be a starting CF somewhere? I just think some team out there could use a gold glover with decent power / speed considering the low cost in this economy.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you kind of exaggerated all of his traits there.

Plus he can’t hit a high fastball.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn’t have decent power / speed? He could probably hit 20 HRs as a starter that seems like decent power to me. His base running is solid. His glove is gold glove caliber in my opinion.
I’m not sure where I really reached?

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He had the starting CF job in 2006

he then lost it. Still had 365 PA with 8 HR’s. Most he has ever had at any level is 16. I don’t see him as a 20-Hr guy. Probably 10-15.

Baserunning is average. He has 10 SB’s in his ML career and been caught 8 times. most he had in the minors was 13 in 2004.

His a good defensive CF’er. Gold glove? I don’t know about that…

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

he's at his power peak now.

i wouldn’t call 20 home runs an exaggeration for full-time play, especially in a favorable ballpark. and considering all he said was “decent”, seems like average for baserunning and 10-15 home runs would suffice. and michael young won a gold glove.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just saying historically he hasn't done any of it

gold glove, maybe if he played everyday…

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Historically - lol

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 16, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

all the more reason to let him play

he might acquire some value

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 16, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

don't you remember ozzie's great 'rob mackowiak in CF' experiment

I lost a lot of hair during it

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite part was when Rob said he wasn't comfortable

playing CF – and Ozzie still kept putting him out there. I still remember 2 fly balls going over his head then one over Gload’s head – only to watch Freddy lose it and KC blow them out of the game. All this while sitting behind the foul pole in the upper right field deck. Such fond memories.

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 16, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I know you all know this.....

But I can’t stand that fucking Mackowiak!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 16, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He really is a down to earth guy

was just put in a situation in which he couldn’t win and angered a lot of fans

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 16, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I usually get lambasted when I proclaim my hatred for him (On this site, Rieferts site, at the park, with my friends). I think a lot of fans still like him….Why I don’t know. Maybe he blew them. To each their own I suppose.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 16, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

someone with equal cockmanship

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Peerless. Which is why, barring JO's groin regressing, he has no shot.

Here’s BA’s thought bubble:

“Let’s see – I am a white West-Coast dude who is a major babe hound. My competition is an African-American ex-football player (sound like anyone in a decision-making capacity with my team?) and my manager is a crazy Hispanic who hates the Left Coast attitude. Oh, and who is getting inagurated as President next week? That’s right. It is the Year of the Person of Color. I am yesterday’s news. So I am going to love it up as much as I can and cash that paycheck for as long as I can.”

(Signed, BSS’ Semi-Racist Uncle)

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

His name is Clayton Bigsby, you POS!

Now that Brad Penny is on the east coast, who is BA gonna mack on babes with?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Lillibridge?

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by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Who wins, places, shows and brings up the rear

from first to second?

Post Position 1: Colon
Post Position 2: Contreras
Post Position 3: Konerko
Post Position 4: Thomer

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

Count has no Achilles on one side.

So he’s at least 3rd.

You are leaving out AJ? You POS.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I thought about AJ

and he sometimes gets confused on the basepaths and I thought he might f*ck up the whole race by cutting across the infield or geting halfway there and deciding to turn back. So I left him out.

I see Count at possibly 2nd. No Achillies and all…

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Felix Pie?

The Cubs have basically 6 OF right now (Soriano, Fukudome, Bradley, Taguchi, Gathright, Pie), if you don’t count Hauifpower (sp?). What are the feelings towards acquiring Pie from the Cubs? Has been a bust so far in the pros, but had good minor league stats and is still 23 years old.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 16, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

Why not

add another young speedster who can’t hit a lick.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

he can hit enough for a CF . ..

a little different than our current options and he isn’t really a ‘speedster’ in that he is an Owens type. Isn’t a basestealer really . . . maybe you have someone else in mind. I would rather have him than Anderson or Owens, that is for sure.

by jc2313 on Jan 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

His MLE based on his 07 and 08 seasons

is 265/310/400 at age 24, think he can improve on that. Also based on some reports I have read, just think he is better than his 08 season (and not as good as his 07), maybe a change of scenery guy.

Plus, the guy had testicular surgery before the season . . . has to be Chicago Tough to play a week later.

by jc2313 on Jan 16, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs won't trade Felix Pie

to the Chicago White Sox.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 16, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not - perhaps they could use Owens

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 16, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

They will trade him to Baltimore

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3842286

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 18, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

We have 3 too!

“We said we were really going to emphasize defense, and it’s hard to imagine a better defensive outfield in the game than Pie, [Adam] Jones and [Nick] Markakis. It really gives us three center fielders”

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 18, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

JO is a career .291 minor league hitter

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

When JO was 24

he hit .331 with a .396 OBP and had 38 SB’s in AA Birmingham.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

guys who spend three years in AAA tend to not, as well.

i will no longer laugh at the directions for a water landing.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a reason Hendry

has gone out and gotten so many OF’s while having Pie on the roster with zero ML options left. The reason is he doesn’t think Pie has it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jan 16, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

lol.

yeah. the rumor that died two months ago but keeps getting beaten. see the pic.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Bro

Why do you think they got rid of Derosa bro. Destiny bro.

by 815Sox on Jan 16, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Or the pressure for the Cubs

to win NOW is huge. No time to let a rookie develop . . . can’t afford any growing pains with the money being spent and the expectations that have been set.

I don’t think you have a superstar in Pie, but it iwould be an upgrade, imo. He may have spent 3 seasons in AAA, but is only 24 this year . . . first AAA season was at 21 (and it was successful), not a lot of guys do that either.

by jc2313 on Jan 16, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

win, place, show

Alexei – win
Anderson – place
JO – show
Pie – glue factory

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by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

when i was seventeen

i drank a very good beer
a very good beer i purchased
with a fake i.d.

my name was brian mcgee

i stayed up listening to queen
when i was seventeen

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Jan 16, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent. You been hiding this week, POS.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

goodbye my darlin', hello vietNAMM

trade show this week, which means lots of work work work work work in the weeks leading up. such it is.

on the upshot, TWC turned on my MLBN and MLBNHD stations. i have finally found out why man invents technology: purely as a progression towards this channel. it really is the best thing ever.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Jan 17, 2009 4:05 AM CST up reply actions  

No argument there.

The wife has hired an attorney.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 17, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

it broke the Bartolo news about a day late

and I want to watch old TWIBs but yeah, its good.

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by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if there at all interested

in the Cuban outfielder who is supposedly “major league ready.” Haven’t heard much about him or his defector pitching buddy.

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 4:29 PM CST reply actions  

They weren't officially tied to an agent as of last week

They were featured in a story on Newday, along with a video where they mentioned Jamie Torres and the White sox (because of Count/Che/Vice), but nothing appeared imminent.

/they will now sign with Sox within the hour

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 16, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Both are intriguing.

The outfielder, I wanna say, was described as a speed guy capable of playing centerfield.

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I got a hunch

maybe we’ll see him, Freddy and maybe Blanco round out the offseason activity.

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Blanco makes a lot of sense too.....how much are we thinking.....

he’d be a great guy to help shut down the Twins’ running game.

by stanchar on Jan 16, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Henry

will have to accept a paycut, though.

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

blanco
Cubs notes from Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald…

* The Cubs are unlikely to re-sign Henry Blanco, but Paul Bako remains on the radar.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/cubs-rumors-wol.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Valentin

as the back up backstop

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by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

What about Ivan Rodriguez?

Supposedly, he’ll take a minor-league deal. He hits right. How is his defense?

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Jan 17, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

In terms of need they certainly both make a lot of sense....

and if White Sox indeed are interested with $$$$$ comparable to other offers…….then with the three Cubans already on board…..well Sox make a lot of sense for both.
Hard to say what prices would be and what Sox would have to sacrifice given KW’s insistence that any roster moves would have to be on a “dollar for dollar” exchange basis.

by stanchar on Jan 16, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of centerfielders....

any of you boys see Jones working out with Chipper….footage on MLB network…..he looked to be in good to very good shape…..that’s one obstacle down….I know there’s likely a complicated mechanical/psychological component to his fall, but, still…..

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

strange.

he looked out of shape to me.

by larry on Jan 16, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I kinda know what you're saying....

I couldn’t tell if there was a bit too much gut yet…..at least, relative to the last couple years…..he looked better….My immediate reaction, though, was “wow….he looks pretty good.”

by dantesox on Jan 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And by pretty good...

…you mean in the voluptuous sense, right?

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by Sox Machine on Jan 16, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Moobies?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree with BA

i wish we were rid of jerry ownes and dewayne wise to start this year, both are waste of roster spots because their fast, each plays a bad centerfield and has no arm.

by BestKosherPolish on Jan 16, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions  

wise plays a good cf

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

are you in kenwo’s class?

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by e-gus on Jan 17, 2009 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

anybody else watching mlb network?\

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

Who's on?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

2005 world series film

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks. I'm there.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

k were already into the world series though

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I LOVE PAULIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is better than sex. It is. I’ve not ever teared up during sex. My women have, but not me.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I LOVE PODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OZZIE IS CONNIE MACK!!!!!!! I LOVE THESE GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE MLBN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I LOVE AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I LOVE BLUM!!!!!!!!!!

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

ZOMG ACE IN THE HOLE!

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

How can you not love Mark Buehrle?

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I LOVE MB.

No. really, he’s gotta be my favorite Sox pitcher of all time.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

MINES CARL EVERETT

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why we need freddy back

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 16, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Same.

Face of the franchise post Frank Thomas.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

Anyone who makes fun of Brandon Backe is good by me.

by Grinder in Training on Jan 16, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

BB: What a douchebag. “Hey, he might be a gamer.” Hilarious.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

That was a perfect season.

I really liked seeing MB, Legend, Frank, etc. all getting a little lump in their throats talking about it. Especially since I cry every time I see the last out.

Magic.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for reminding us, JB89. You da man.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim would've posted a reminder if he had a blog

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

What pisses me off the most about our CF options

is having to discuss (again) our CF options. This is, like, at least 2-3 years old, and it hasn’t changed. Fer Chrissakes, BA is not going to become 30 year old Jim Edmonds, and Jesse isn’t going to morph into Upton.

Goddammit anyway. They is who they is – cheap 4th-5th OF’s. Not good enough to start except in our lovely situation.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 16, 2009 7:24 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed, agreed

as hoytsstash says about the CF options with these clowns — what’s nothin’ times nothin’

"wow, yeah. cubs ST should be awesome. have a great time."
-by Larry on Jan. 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jan 17, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

but now we're talking about felix pie, another probable fourth outfielder!

i’m all for wasting a roster spot on a guy who doesn’t have any options left who doesn’t seem to be any better than any of the three current options on the current roster. that’s smart baseball management there, folks.

by larry on Jan 17, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

hoytsstash thinks we're gonna lowball the hell outta opposing teams....

shit Larry, they won’t know who to expect in the outfield on any given day….
It’ll keep opposing managers up all night….
They won’t know whether there’s gonna be a guy out there batting .234, .245, .215, or .228….
hoytsstash says fuck it, lets throw Rock Raines into the mix.

"wow, yeah. cubs ST should be awesome. have a great time."
-by Larry on Jan. 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST

by Hoytsstash on Jan 17, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Robothal on jose, freddy and our ever-elusive 2Bman
Encouraging news for the White Sox: Right-hander Jose Contreras, recovering from a ruptured left Achilles tendon, has lost 25 pounds and already is throwing off a mound. Contreras was expected to miss at least nine months after undergoing surgery in August. His timetable could be accelerated.

The White Sox are willing to offer free-agent right-hander Freddy Garcia a spot in their rotation even after signing another physically questionable pitcher, Bartolo Colon. The Mets, too, envision Garcia as a potential starter even if they re-sign lefty Oliver Perez; they could move another recent addition, righty Tim Redding, to the bullpen. The Rangers also are in the Garcia sweepstakes, and the pitcher’s decision likely will hinge on which team offers him the best opportunity and best contract. Garcia would prefer a major-league deal, which would guarantee him termination pay if he were released in March, but he could accept a minor-league deal if he receives a better chance to start.

The seeming lack of interest in free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson has been one of the biggest mysteries of the offseason, but it’s still too soon to jump to conclusions. The Indians explored signing Hudson before trading for Mark DeRosa to play third base. The Nationals, White Sox and Giants all have needs at second base, whether they admit to them or not.

http://foxsports.com/mlb/story/9090020/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

It seems like just yesterday

That it seemed like everyone was calling for Contreras to move to the bullpen so B-Mac could pitch. I don’t recall him being impressive prior to going down last year either. I’m really not sure when he came back to being the top or mid-rotation guy.

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 16, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

How about May?

3-1, 7 innings a start, 2.09 ERA.

By definition, his ERA last season qualifies as “middle of the rotation.”

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 16, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Contreras has done more the past few years than good ol B-Mac

Hell i think I may have done more the last few years than B-Mac.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 16, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhps this will help

His value for his contract was there even in a shortened season. He had quite a bit to do with the team’s success.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1660&position=P

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 17, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I suppose - I'm just not putting a lot of faith on his return

He had a drop in velocity – seemed to be giving up a fair number of runs. Perhaps an improved defense behind him would help – for that matter would help the whole staff – but we don’t know what kind of defense we’ll have this season.
I’m not saying B-Mac is or was better – I just recall the clammer to get him out of there and in the BP. In some ways my gut says Colon will perform better than him (if only for a short period before getting hurt). But you never know – all that Cuban pride on the team may cause him to raise his game somehow.

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 17, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Me either

Frankly, I think the guy is going to hurt himself very badly, very quickly.

by 815Sox on Jan 17, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

That wouldnt surprise me either

I was merely commenting on his performance last year.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 17, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

; )

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 16, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

“He told me he was way, way ahead of schedule,” Torres told MLB.com. “He’s doing things that we didn’t think he would be doing by now. He feels great.”

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090116&content_id=3748269&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Jerry [Owens] is considered to be a leadoff hitter.

by larry on Jan 17, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Rick Peterson speaks
Posted by Dave Studeman

Former A’s and Mets pitching coach Rick Peterson will be sharing his pitching thoughts with Full Count Pitch twice a month. Here is the first installment, in which he talks about four basic areas of pitching: the pitch count, evaluating pitchers, getting ahead of hitters, and the makeup of a successful pitcher.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/rick-peterson-speaks/

here’s a bit:

But, which is more important, swings and misses or inducing groundballs? Coach Peterson explains, "If you had to choose, inducing groundballs is more important. Consider that the batting average of a ball put in play on a 0-0 count is over .325. If the count moves to 1-0 or even 1-1, it jumps to over .500. It only makes sense that you want the ball to get hit on the ground."

http://fullcountpitch.com/2009/01/16/pitching-perspectives-with-rick-peterson/#more-1373

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 16, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe I'm goofy or Tim McCarver

But like if they swing and miss with 2 strikes they are like out.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 17, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, Wiz.

Great article.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 17, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

what?

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 17, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The “then this” what is this referring to?

by Grinder in Training on Jan 17, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 17, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Then this =
knowing that if I play clearly above the rest, my only reward is a platoon situation. It’s not something I want."

by 815Sox on Jan 18, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

twinkies don't like the new advanced stats
# Not only did the new Mariners front office create a “statistical research and analysis department” run by SABR member Tony Blengino and bring on friend of AG.com Tom Tango as a consultant, they use The Hardball Times’ defensive stats. On a related note, during a KFAN radio appearance last month my comment that the Twins are one of the increasingly rare MLB teams without any sort of department focused on statistical analysis apparently drew the ire of the front office.

Assistant general manager Rob Antony brought up my comment on the air a few days later while being interviewed by LaVelle E. Neal III and noted that the Twins do in fact use stats in their decision-making. However, my suggestion was never that the Twins completely ignore stats, because that would be silly. Rather, my point was that for better or worse they don’t employ the more advanced statistical tools that have become available recently and are now in fairly wide use among other teams (like the Mariners).

In other words, my point was about things like PitchFX and Zone Ratings rather than home-road splits and fielding percentages. There’s a big difference, so in an effort to clear the air I sent Antony an e-mail. To his credit he responded with an explanation of the Twins’ stance on the issue, but also confirmed that they indeed “do not have a department devoted to statistical analysis” and are not using the type of advanced tools I was talking about. Whether that’s good or bad is up for debate, but it’s definitely true.

http://www.aarongleeman.com/2009_01_11_baseballblog_archive.html#7883616173876104289

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 17, 2009 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

So what are the Mariners using the stats for - can't be player evaluation

At least not players for their organization anyways!

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 17, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Raines belongs in Hall

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof09/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3825493

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

BABIP’s relationship to hitters
Part of most everybody’s method of hitter evaluation includes a look at the player’s BABIP. “Were they lucky or unlucky?” is the typical question trying to be answered. Is the BABIP above or below league-average, their career BABIP, or some expected BABIP?

That’s good and all, but today I want to discuss a new idea to consider when looking at BABIP. Here’s my hypothesis:

Hypothesis

Some hitters are more reliant on their BABIP than others. Remembering that BABIP stand for Batting Average on Balls In Play, reminds us that BABIP only accounts for balls put into play—balls between the foul lines and in front of the fence. Some hitters, like Adam Dunn for example, rarely put the ball in play and therefore are not as reliant on their BABIP’s as hitters who make their living punching the ball in play, such as Juan Pierre.

As you would expect, the Adam Dunn’s of baseball have lower values in the denominator of their BABIP equation because, well, the bottom half of the BABIP ratio is balls in play and we established before that these hitters do not hit a lot of them. Lower values in the denominator means more fluctuation; think about it.

Let’s say two hitters both have 100 hits and get their one-hundred and first hit in the same game (none of the hits are home runs). Hitter A is primarily a ball in play hitter and has 800 balls in play, while Hitter B is more of a true outcome hitter (because his plate appearances often result in what are known as the three true outcomes: walks, strikeouts, and home runs) and only has 400 balls in play. If you calculate the effect the added hit has on each player’s BABIP, you will realize that it has a larger effect on Hitter B’s BABIP, by .0007 to be more specific.

In this example the difference in BABIP appears statistically insignificant, but with real numbers perhaps a meaningful difference will be realized. Let’s see if this theory—and remember it is still just a theory—hold true when tested by the numbers. …

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/babips-differeing-relationship-with-different-hitters/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

Sickels on Carter
Dexter Carter, RHP, Chicago White Sox
Bats: R Throws: R HT: 6-6 WT: 195 DOB: February 5, 1987
  
SLEEPER ALERT!! Dexter Carter pitched horribly for Old Dominion during the spring of 2008, but the White Sox saw potential and selected him in the 13th round anyway. They made some mechanical adjustments, then sent him to the Pioneer League, where he was a completely different pitcher. His command was awful in college, but it was much better at Great Falls, as he threw strikes much more consistently with his 90-93 MPH fastball. His curveball and changeup still need some work, but the turnaround was impossible to ignore, and he was particularly effective in his last few starts, giving up just one run in his last 18 innings. Carter will have to prove he can maintain this at higher levels, but he’s definitely a pitcher of interest. I don’t want to go higher than Grade C without more data, but he’s certainly got higher potential and should be on your sleeper list.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/1/17/726778/some-book-excerpts#comments

by Craig Grebeck on Jan 17, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

nice

dexter is a sweet name

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 17, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

funny that you mentioned it

i added it to my netflix queue earlier today

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Jan 17, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

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