Rumor: Orioles, White Sox discussing trade involving Gavin Floyd and Brian Roberts

Brian Roberts always seems to be linked to the Chicago Cubs in trade rumors, but White Sox general manager Kenny Williams loves the guy and is trying to acquire him.

The two sides have discussed former Mount St. Joe pitcher Gavin Floyd as a starting point in trade talks. The Orioles might need more, though the White Sox would want it to be straight-up, since they'd be surrendering a 17-game winner.

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another 2B-man!

getz and floyd for 1 year of roberts would be bad

I hope kenny doesn’t get any ideas…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 2, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Noooooooooooo - unless Robert's is juicing again

That Jack Lalanne’s Power Juicer can really add to your performance!

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 2, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it wasnt juice

it was special red nike contact lenses that let him see the stitches of the ball.

"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.

by e-gus on Jan 3, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Type B Starting Pitchers

will kenny grab one among the 5 here?

There are several other options available on the free agent market, though, that would not require long-commitment/big-money contracts. Doubly important, their classification as Type B free agents means that the teams they eventually sign with do not have to surrender a first-round draft pick next season. As of right now, there are five such pitchers on the market: Paul Byrd, Jon Garland, Braden Looper, John Smoltz, and Randy Wolf. …

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/type-b-starting-pitchers/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 2, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe make a run at Pedro*?

*if he can be had for cheap.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 2, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I edited the link to point to the source

but I left a link to your site…

I’d rather link directly to the source, but I still appreciate you posting here, so I figured it was a good comprimise

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 2, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, Cheat

Much appreciated.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Type B Relievers

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/type-b-relievers/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No thanks

Please pass

by 815Sox on Jan 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Roberts and replev starter is pretty much equal to Gavin and Getz

so I don’t get that. I guess the draft picks push it over a smidge, but it’s still pretty nearly a wash. I guess this is more evidence that KW wants to make good on that Marquez threat. The system is so thin on pitching I don’t know why dealing Floyd would make sense. This team is on an average trajectory for the near future. Roberts wouldn’t change that.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 2, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

replev?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 2, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

replacement level

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 2, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pieces to the puzzle, friend

the problem is that Roberts might regress to the middle of the pack as he ages, which might start this year. I’d rather take the risk of Floyd regressing and bouncing back stronger somewhere over the course of the next four years.

The Sox have a lot of pitchers that could be average innings-eaters, but probably won’t be. You’d like to think at least one of them does so this year and Poreda steps through. So yeah, having Floyd is a good thing. But there’s a bit of a crowd still. I’m just afraid of having 8 starters this year.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 2, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

past the top 3 and we aren't guaranteed better than replacement level.

that’s a problem. and not one you solve by trading away gavin.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 2, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you aren't guaranteed better than replacement level with anyone.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 2, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fine. reasonably certain.

semantics are fun.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No thanks.,

I am all for getting Roberts, but not for Floyd.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 2, 2009 10:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

No thanks - period!

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what's with all this politeness?

i say no fucking way.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Jan 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Fuck'n yea - to your no fucking way

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NO FUCKING WAY

17 GAME WINNER FOR MITCHELL REPORT SUBJECT
yes I know he would fit nicely

BUT NOT GAVIN FUCKING FLOYD

How’s that better?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 4, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If this team still had Vazquez, it might have been an option worth considering.

At this point, I would consider our 3 remaining starters almost untouchable. There are two more holes to be filled.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Jan 2, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Since I'm for an all-out rebuilding project...

I’d have no problem if Williams traded Floyd for a package similar to the McCarthy trade.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 2, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

teams know better now

it may have been a one time heist, or at least for a long time. And all-out rebuilding projects do little but alienate fans that might latch on somewhere else, and then there goes all that revenue, and then your team is in perpetual failure. It’s just not a good idea for a big market team.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 2, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that it may alienate fans

And I guess “all-out” is too strong. I’d like to see the Sox continue to replenish the farm system and aim to compete in 2010 instead of continuing down that “average trajectory” like colintj said. But wouldn’t four straight years of 77-82 victories ultimately alienate fans as well?

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by UribeAuction on Jan 3, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"There are two more holes to be filled."

That’s what she said.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 2, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

.500 pitcher who forgot the term big game

for a 17 game winner, who brought it for his big game?

Think about it son

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

shhhh.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sarcasm and i'm buying into it?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 4, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How do we not do this trade?

We took Gavin Big Balls Floyd off of the scrap heap and turn him into Brian Roberts.

I think most of you are forgetting that Brian Roberts would be filling 2 Positions…
Starting Second baseman
Lead off Hitter.

Gavin only fills one
Starting Pitcher

This is simple arithmetic.

Okay now in all seriousness 400,000 for Gavin 400,000 Getz
8,000,000 for B Rob………… I thought we were in cost cutting mode

I’m not that crazy about losing Big Nuts Gavin but he did give up 30 hr’s and i think that it’s a good time to sell high on him.
    Roberts is an on base machine
                    hit 51 doubles last year
                    Swiped 90 bags thrown out 17 times in the last 2 seasons

With all that being said i don’t think that we can afford to lose the pitching…

Why couldn’t this have been done for swisher or Vazquez …?

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jan 2, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You failed to mention Roberts is in the last year of his contract.

Floyd’s under control for three more after this season.

Gavin also fills “No. 34 wearer,” which is as much of a position as “leadoff hitter.”

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 2, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

most of my post was littered with sarcasm

I agree with you… I think that we are too thin starting pitching wise to give up a semi-proven young cheap starter. I not afraid to hand the ball to Gavin in any situation. By saying that he can be traded away aren’t we saying that anyone can be had. Danks, Q, Alexie, Gavin, I am sure that they would fetch us something great but, those are the 4 guys you want to build around. Young, cheap, and on the rise.

Roberts would probably end up being another class a free agent so it might be 2 more picks

Any news on O cab…..?

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jan 3, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel like OCab will sign somewhere...

But it might not be until March. Seriously, he has no value—any team that would want to sign him at this point would probably be looking for a cheap one-year option, and there’s no way that team is going to want to give up two draft picks for that. Eventually, somebody (my guess: the Royals and Dayton Moore) will give in and get Cabrera, but it won’t be anytime soon.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 3, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no value?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe one of these days white sox fans will realize the complete and utter larceny that was the garland for cabrera trade.

and they sent us money? for a guy who produced about $15M in value? as i said before when people were actually concerned (!) that cabrera would accept arbitration and whining about the possibility of it, a one year deal for cabrera would be goddamn larceny again. shit, a two or even three year deal at the rate he’s likely to get now will probably be theft, too. even giving up the picks. some team is going to be very happy. and some team’s beat reporter’s wife is going to be really happy, too.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*pick

here i am continuing the misinformation from uribeauction’s post. using his example, the royals would be losing, like, the 53rd pick in the draft or something. big deal if i’m getting cabrera for a cut rate price on a short term deal.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

topical.

there are a few things wrong with this “study” but i think it delivers a salient point regarding draft compensation.

http://www.birdsinthebelfry.com/draft_volume2_part_two.htm

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I should've made that clear in my post

The reason why I think the Royals will get him is because they won’t have to give up anything major in compensation.

And I don’t think he has a ton of value not in the sense that he can’t play anymore, but that no teams out there desperately need a shortstop.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 3, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

desperate need doesn't necessarily matter.

the question is whether a given team will see better production from cabrera than option x, all factors considered. and there are plenty out there. it’s not like there are 10, let alone 30, SS out there which are even close to being as good as cabrera is overall. don’t confuse an overall slow market for no market for a particular player. he’ll get paid eventually.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's true...

Cabrera certainly is an upgrade over a ton of team’s shortstops, and whatever team signs him could get a bigger free agent bargain than Randy Johnson. And some team will sign him—I just don’t expect it to be until around February.

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by UribeAuction on Jan 3, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

domino effect

or is it affect? anyway, the dominoes are standing still this offseason. regression to the mean is inevitable, even if that doesn’t guarantee that Cabrera will get better than arbitration, he has suitors. Maybe a long-shot, but I wonder if perhaps the Padres will go for him now. Or by proxy, the Cubs if Theriot were somehow traded for Peavy or something. I digress.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 3, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thank you.

if it wasn’t for Q! he’d have been the best player on our team last year.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there might be some sox pitchers who could argue that.

but certainly on the position side, si.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, i meant position players

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cabrera > Ramirez?????

Really?

However I agree with your sentinment. OC did great last year. Wish he could of stuck around, but he was toxic as well

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes.

being an above average SS is a huge deal.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not speaking in general though

I am looking at last year alone

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Monsignor?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 4, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No one gets your stupid jokes.

Fail.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 4, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

says Monsignor himself...

I got it.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 5, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hooray for you HSA!!!

Do want a cookie for your efforts?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fun, newfangled stats

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5133&position=2B#value

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=766&position=SS#value

Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The new listed value system

definitely makes me rethink my love affair over Adam dunn…..

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 4, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

your sig

where is it from?

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's still pretty solid.

he has more value as a DH though.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i lost the love last season

but, yeah, as colin says, his value will go up if he’s no longer out in the field. hopefully both teams and dunn himself recognize this. he’s certainly be amazing in tampa but they’ll probably have to settle for a shorter and cheaper commitment.

Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Burrell

would probably fit them a little better

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn is the better and younger hitter

so he probably will be more expensive.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

since one or two average-ish

players aren’t putting us over the top anyway, i think he’d be a nice Dye replacement this year and Thome replacement next year. especially if the market bottoms out.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think he'd be a great addition to the team

sit*

by U-God on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Better than Jermaine in right?

Or moving Q to right? Of course, I’m curious if somehow Q would be better in right than in left because of playing there for years. But I don’t see, in a vacuum, how Dunn+project>Dye when you factor in that Dunn might be a little worse with the defense, fan fallout and possible added expense. It’s something to consider, though.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

moving Q! to right

sit*

by U-God on Jan 4, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he wouldn't be better

because Dunn is a serious butcher. they’ll be about equal per CHONE (Dye’s ~ half win worse at the plate, Dunn ~ half win in the field) but the idea would just be to have a solid replacement before picking up some value at DH where he belongs. i think it’s possible Dye and Dunn get roughly equal money this year and next. i think perception says Dye is better this year and next, but that’s not that likely.

Dye for prospects, Dye’s salary for Dunn. that’s a good trade if you ask me.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who's giving prospects

this is the problem with these internet net deals. too many assumptions

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh well yeah

but i can’t speculate as to the ’spect market. just the nature of being a layperson in this biz.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's just creating another hole

and then having to fill it back up. It would make sense if the org thought that Big Red could play OF this year, but that would be a steep risk in itself and/or rebuilding mode, which would alienate fans, and losing Dye for Dunn, Abreu or Burrell would just be an unnecessary shakeup in itself as people are aware of Dye’s presence and the shortcomings of the latter listed.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we have Dye now

and Dye and Dunn are roughly equivalent, and Dye and Dunn are paid about the same, then the situation where you have Dunn and some prospects is superior to having just Dye.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 5, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

why do you take the bait?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the research shows that

right and left are pretty much equally difficult. there’s no ground to gain switching back and forth.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, but

Q was generally thought of as average or better in right before coming here, and all of a sudden he’s buttsuck in left field. It doesn’t make sense.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6274&position=OF

Q played right field all the way from Stanford through the Diamondbacks, IIRC. It could be that US Cell constraints fielders the same way Fenway does, but that’s another issue. It could be just losing comfort, or also even taking himself out of his own rhythm and “zone”(in reference to UZR) to accommodate Swish’s fail. I’m 100%, but I’m pretty sure that guys playing next to each other are made better or worse depending on the other’s fielding ability and range.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The sig came from

Cleveland posters on Lets go Tribe. It was pure fun watching them implode in disbelief (in pen of course) that they wouldn’t win the division.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 4, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought so

I thought I remembered reading it there. Good shit.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about....defensively-speaking, OCab was the best position player last season?

I agree with that.
Not most valuable (Che/Q), but the best defensively.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 4, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

best position player.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

other than Q.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what's this, then>

thank you.
if it wasn’t for Q! he’d have been the best player on our team last year

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oops

got a little overzealous. nice catch.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ftr, i was thinking of what CHONE has Q! projected for

which I disagree with. but then I’m a fan, so I question my objectivity.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're right to disagree

there’s no reason to think that a healthy Q will be any worse.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Adam Jones

Jeremy Guthrie Matt Wieters

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

que?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who?

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what's with the list of O's?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant to put it at the bottom

somehow found its way up here.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but teh whining1!!

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 3, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

" You failed to mention Roberts is in the last year of his contract. Floyd’s under control for three more after this season."

End of discussion

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 3, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That whole post was just one huge contradiction

Its like you were argueing yourself.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 3, 2009 12:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't argue myself unless

I post while drunk and then wake up sober….

I was just trying to look at the positives of signing roberts.
It seems like KW was in borderline rebuild / replenish go with young guys mode. I would like to get roberts but not at the cost of Gavin.

Then i was thinking worst case scenario we trade for him. He plays one year and leaves, we get 2 more picks. But that is so far down the road. Thinking about the draft pics made me think about O Cab and how i haven’t heard or read a thing about it after the whole Furcal to the braves errr dodgers shit…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jan 3, 2009 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope

no thanks

by BoeJouma on Jan 3, 2009 4:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Another Link

by 815Sox on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090102&content_id=3731873&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

by 815Sox on Jan 3, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So the Baltimore guy updated his blog -- projects Getz and Floyd for Roberts

I find that interesting since 1 year of Dye was unable to land Homer Bailey.

Roberts is good — .830 OPS and .370 OBP at 2B, but I don’t understand all the hype. He’s not steroid golden age Barry Bonds….

by hitlesswonder on Jan 3, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

perhaps this will help

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=166&position=2B#value

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes...he's good but it's just for 1 year

Would you do the deal?

by hitlesswonder on Jan 3, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

damn good.

but this still doesn’t make sense to me and why the hell would the team throw in Getz on top of it.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Jan 3, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I want to stress that I’m not reporting that a deal is close to being completed. I’m just saying that White Sox general manager Kenny Williams would love to acquire Roberts, the Orioles apparently brought up Gavin Floyd’s name, and the White Sox appear willing to trade him – probably figuring this would be a good time to move him, with his stock so high. And Chicago has a second baseman who could be included in the deal, one that the Orioles really like.

http://masnsports.com/2009/01/should-they-get-getz.html

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jan 3, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

getz is an "igniter"

The Orioles checked him out at the University of Michigan, and again in the White Sox system. He’s regarded as an “igniter,” somebody who can bat leadoff and kick-start a rally by getting on base and stealing one.

let the sparks fly!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe that's why colin doesn't post his "interview"

too hot!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haha! He's been extensively editing it for a general audience.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just don't see this happening

Depleting our pitching staff is not what we need

by 815Sox on Jan 3, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I love selling high on Floyd (anyone think he'll put up a sub 4.00 era this year?)

But for one year of Roberts? I would have to think this would be just one in a series of moves if this deal goes down, but I’m not sure there is anything but a unsubstantiated rumor here.

by madvillian on Jan 3, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

"(anyone think he'll put up a sub 4.00 era this year?)"

Yes.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 3, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd sell that until my fucking face caved in.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't value your face.

Happy New Year.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 3, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

word.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't

But I think he can do sub 5 and that’s not bad for the min in the AL/Cell

by hitlesswonder on Jan 3, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

depends

I see improvement as a possibility. I think people underrate Floyd’s stuff and his mind-set is very moldable for Coop, in that he was a hurt, lost puppy that suckled Coop’s teat for nourishment and grew. I’m just worried it won’t be a linear graph and maybe the fans or the management gives up on him too early.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 3, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

flyball pitcher.

and i doubt that’s going to change. he’d have to be lucky again to duck under 4.00 with this team.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly Garland is the obvious replacement then

Ground ball pitcher – went 14 – 8 last year… don’t have to worry about the sub 4 era issue – will give you 190 innings – has a calming laid back attitude the fans appreciate.

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're going to give up homeruns on this team

it’s a given

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 3, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was thinking of poor outfield defense, too.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If we trade SP

It better be for a multi year deal

We’re too thin in SP to give up for a one year deal

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whaa??

Sluggo said:
Ray,

I actually think you should throw in Carlos Quentin. A potential MVP deserves to have fans who can at least spell his name correctly.

January 3, 2009 9:54 AM

Additionally, I do not endorse this idea. I like BHB too much.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 3, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Oh, had to read down a few more....nevermind! Ray did botch Q's name. heh heh.

Ray said:
You Orioles fans are quite insane. Why don’t you just ask for Mark Buerhle and Carlos Quinten in return as well? IF Kenny Williams were that bone headed just to do a Floyd for Roberts straight up, THAT would be a major steal alone. THEN you want Getz as well? Roll me up some of what you guys are smokin….

January 3, 2009 9:19 AM

as you were.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 3, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

New rule for me in 09....No blogging before coffee.

You’re welcome.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 3, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

spelled Buehrlesque's name wrong too

cunt fuck

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 3, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

FREEDOM!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Jan 3, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

From Camden Chat.

Gavin Floyd isn’t a prospect. B-Rob is one of the best 2B in the game but he’s only under control for on year. If Williams wants to do Gavin for Roberts straight up and Andy hasn’t pulled the trigger, Andy is a fucking idiot.

by birdman on Jan 3, 2009 1:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 3, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'd agree - so this means KW isn't and idiot then

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 3, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so far anyway!

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he ain't wrong.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wrong he ain't

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jan 3, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Make no sense.

Will not happen….Why all of the sudden would he add payroll then have to add more to get another arm or 2?

John Danks=Man Crush.

by Swish30 on Jan 3, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Change you name.

; )

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Jan 3, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't Roberts project as a worry?

because of his age for a second baseman and the relative speed of regression of other similar players, I seem to remember this being discussed on here before.

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Jan 3, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

one year. i doubt he's going to drop off the production cliff.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my early pick for pumpkin of the year in 2009.

fight like a cat: paws up. – ozzie
by larry on Sep 20, 2008 5:35 PM BST up actions 0 recs

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Jan 3, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

way to eliminate context.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so he's not gonna be pumpkin of the year then?

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Jan 3, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i guess we'll find out, won't we.

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's got a myriad of skills

and his SB numbers are very nice.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh dear god...

Please tell me this is Buster Olney taking peyote buttons and shrooms and dreaming up some Dennis Hopper as GM bullshit…

This has to be the worst fucking idea I’ve ever heard….

by echo on Jan 3, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You must not hear a lot.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 3, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember a fan suggesting a Shingo for Derrek Lee trade in 2005

And he was entirely serious.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Jan 3, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Shingo gets no respect, I tells ya

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

shingo makes a mean sushi

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 3, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

GONG!

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Jan 3, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the worst?

it’s not that lopsided.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pitching, Pitching, Pitching...

I can’t see giving up any pitchers for an over-the-hill, formerly artificially enhanced secondbaseman in the final year of a contract… What? Was Steve Sax unavailable??? Heh…

by echo on Jan 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear Knoblauch's on the block

by oahu420 on Jan 3, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No way do i make this deal.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 3, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

for the posters with yellow fever.

ichiro.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/is-ichiro-declining

by larry on Jan 3, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

send that to the seattle FO

maybe we can get Ichiro for Getz. Maybe.

by madvillian on Jan 4, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They wouldn't sell more than 10 tickets per year without Ichiro. And 6 of those would be to me, when the Sox were in town.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 4, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As the most interesting man in the world replied when asked about rollerblading

ummm…..no

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Earlier this afternoon on AM1000 (ESPN Radio) in Chicago

Bruce Levine said that his sources have told him the whole deal is a bunch of baloney and is not going to happen. Levine is a pretty reliable sports (especially baseball) guy in Chicago.

However, if it were true, I would hope KW would be the one looking for more in return. No way he can give up Floyd and not be on the prowl for more starting pitching.

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Jan 4, 2009 12:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Sign Derek Lowe

And trade Floyd for Roberts. Then sign Andruw Jones when he is released.

GMing is easy. Pssshh.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 4, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Screw Jones - might as well bring back Jr... Not to both!

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 4, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, bring back Griffey AND sign Jones

Can you imagine the outfield we could have in Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr. for the N64? That defense would be unstoppable.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Jan 4, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BREAK OUT THE RYE BREAD AND MUSTARD GRAMMA

IT’S GRAND SALAMI TIME! MY OH MY!

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bonds and Sosa are still available too

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Jan 4, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

guess who's back, boys and girls?

do not ever visit this site again.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

wow

sit*

by U-God on Jan 4, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ewwwww

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 4, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck.

that sucks.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unbelievable.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Jan 4, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for those of you with a BP subscription

excellent interview with tony blengino, mariners’ czar of stats in player evaluation.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8400

Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

nice quip:

“going from High-A to Double-A is a big difference-maker for me”

i bet more prospects wash out between that level jump than any other.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that has certainly been a true statement for as long as i can remember.

Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Blyleven not being in..

… is as big a joke as Santo not being in.

He’s fifth all-time in strikeouts and threw SIXTY shutouts in his career. If he’d have stuck around to get his 300th win he’d be in already.

sit*

by U-God on Jan 4, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The only Oriole worth trading Floyd for is Nick Markakis.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 4, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow, what if Kenny threw out something like...

Floyd-Fields-Poreda for Markakis and Roberts. I would be very happy with that.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jan 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not even close

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be thrilled.

more thrilled than if i got to bang megan fox.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 4, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Adam Jones Jeremy Guthrie Matt Wieters

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

And don't forget Garret Olson!

So we can send him to the Cubs so they can finally get Peavy~!

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Jan 4, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"[Andruw] Jones' career in jeopardy"

Jones looked awful last season, generating the kind of numbers that would earn most players an immediate ticket out of baseball — he struck out 76 times in 209 at-bats, and had a .158 batting average. In fact, he had more strikeouts than hits and walks combined (60).

Scouts believe his defense is quickly regressing, largely because … well, he’s gotten large. “He’s just too heavy to play at the level he used to play at in the outfield,” one scout said Saturday.

“He’s fat,” said another.

Evaluators are not too confident in Jones’ ability to undergo a body transformation, because as great as he was in the outfield, he has never been known as a workout freak. Jones is playing winter ball, but he has even looked bad there, reports one highly ranked executive.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3809221&name=olney_buster

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 4, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Seattle Tango

Tom Tango will be consulting for the Mariners this year. Excellent news for Seattle fans. Congratulations to Tom!

congrats tango!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 4, 2009 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it was mentioned in that BP interview larry posted

that’s pretty dang cool. and it helps us layfolk too.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no BP subscription

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 4, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's consulted for a few teams now.

you may recognize some of the other names mentioned in it, too.

Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.

by larry on Jan 4, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i didn't but i was kind of skimming

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 4, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what would we need to give to get for lastings?

The more interesting piece of info on Washington this week was the report that Lastings Milledge could be trade bait prior to the 2009 season. Milledge was impressive in the second half and is immensely talented; I’d imagine the return would have to be quite nice.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/week-in-review.html

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6441&position=OF

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 4, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

no idea

but id like to try to get him.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jan 4, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's not meant for this team

we don’t improve hitters here. he hasn’t showed his offensive skills are developed, so he wouldn’t be worth the price, most likely. Though a Floyd-Milledge swap would probably be fair.

by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs