Shadows Searching in the Night
Just as I was beginning to write a piece advocating the White Sox pick up a number a former All-Stars on minor league or near-league-minimum contracts, Freddy Garcia, the Sox second possible scrap heap pick-up for the rotation, has agreed to terms with the Mets. Garcia's deal is a minor league deal, which means it's non-guaranteed, but reportedly carries incentives which could raise his salary to near 8 figures.
A few days ago, I mentioned that I though Garcia was worth more than Bartolo Colon, as Garcia, a year off of shoulder surgery, figures to be a better injury risk than the perpetually injured Colon. That being said, I don't think the Sox could have matched the Mets offer even if they had offered him a guaranteed deal.
We have the Sox current '09 salary obligations at about $94MM right now, but that doesn't include the $4M signing bonus to Dayan Viciedo, the '09 buyout of Pablo Ozuna's contract (yeah, they still owe him), and the $3+MM or so which will be paid to the near-minimum guys. The Sox are looking at about a $100MM opening day payroll.
Kenny Williams has said the Sox were bumping against their "payroll ceiling" numerous times since November, and given their actions this off-season we have no reason not to believe him. It's my feeling, however, based on nothing other than my own intuitions, that the Sox have a little bit of wiggle room left. They were "in" on the Garcia derby, after all.
That wiggle room is probably no more than a million dollars or two, nothing in baseball terms, certainly not enough to sway the hubris of a former All-Star from a possible $9MM payout. But I had hoped it would be enough to entice some semi-interesting guys looking for work in a tough baseball (and world) economy.
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Three prominent members of the White Sox '05 World Series Champions team are looking for work, (Joe Crede, Jon Garland and Juan Uribe) and receiving tepid interest at best. Garland has drawn the most interest, turning down contract offer believed to be in the $4MM range from the D'backs because it contained two option years (Option years are bad in this case because they could possibly lock Garland into a below market contract for the next two seasons, with no upside on his end). Crede claims his back is all fixed up, and will hold a workout for scouts next week. Uribe, meanwhile, has drawn zero interest. There is a legitimate, albeit slim, chance that the trio will earn less in guaranteed money as free agents in '09 than they did in '05 as cost-controlled members of the White Sox ($4.15M).
The contrast between that trio's predicament and the situation Aaron Rowand found himself in last year is striking. I've generally thought of them as roughly the same players, albeit at different positions. They're all players who I thought of as average-to-above average, but not star caliber (whatever that means) at their respective positions. Juan Uribe has removed himself from that conversation with a steady decline since his Chicago debut, but I still think that stands for Rowand/Garland/Crede. The contract Rowand received versus the contracts that Garland and Crede are likely to be offered illustrate how important health and walk-year performance really is.
Which brings me back to what I had intended to write about today. Thanks to the economy, there might not have been a better time in the free agent era to go dumpster diving. For let's say $2M, you might be able to pick up 3 or 4 down-and-out players who have significant upside. And in the AL Central where there's no clear favorite--I'd give the nod to Cleveland right now--it might be those pickups in the last month of free agency that make the difference.
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Rowand observation
Not to miss Cheat’s central point, but I’ll add an ever-popular intangible to this comment of his:
The contract Rowand received versus the contracts that Garland and Crede are likely to be offered illustrate how important health and walk-year performance really is.
No argument, but here in SF it seemed clear from the outset that Sabean paid top dollar for Rowand not just to play CF, but to instill a new clubhouse culture post-Bonds.
foxonfilm
doobie doobie doo.....
strangers in the night in need of contracts
wondring in the night
what were the chances they would get no love
before offseason’s through……..
something in your past was so inviting,
something in your stats was so exciting,
no matter your decline,
i know i must have you……
strangers in the night, some ok people
we were strangers in the night
up to the moment
when the agent said hello.
little did we know
work was just a glance away,
a hope for health, no chance away and -
ever since that night we’ve been together.
contract unseen sight, payout forever.
on one side it was right,
for strangers in the night…….
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Jan 23, 2009 2:21 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Welcome back, kid.
On the road again, Willie?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
took a well deserved vacation to DC for the coronation
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Jan 23, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
which was don't stop believing?
In exchange, Galindo was to pay Martinez $16,000 and provide him with 160 cases of beer, 100 cases of soda, 50 cases of Gatorade, two cases of wine, and six cases of meat, Greenfield Police Chief Joe Grebmeier told CNN.
I think he is getting Pat Benetar on us
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Cheat: in this troubled economy, we're hearing lots of "trillions" and "billions"
thrown around, especially in bailouts. However…
Phat Phreddy’s deal could net him “7” figures, not 8. $8,000,000, not $88,000,000.
Thank you.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
"but reportedly carries incentives which could raise his salary to near 8 figures."
8,000,000 is “near 8 figures”.
ah. i now see your point. 10,000,000 is 8 figures.
this is why i work in finance.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Bizzaro World
Our economy is in the crapper with more and more layoffs everyday…and Big Game Freddy could make $10 million this year.
What is wrong with this world?
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
I am pretty sure Freddy
would have to pitch lights out and stay healthy to get $10m. Either way, it is win win for the Mets.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
But you are dyslexic, so it's OK.
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by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Good stuff, Cheat.
Nice to start a Friday morning with a solid piece on the state of our Sox. We’re sure not going to find that in any of the newspapers. Having said that, perhaps people can chime in on some of those attractive and cheap down-and-out players they would like to see in a Sox uniform.
I'd be happy with Yasser Gomez and Pudge
Not sure if Pudge gets any starting catcher offers, but it isn’t looking like it now.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Mulder, Grudz . . .
Ambiorix Burgos . . . Ohman . . . Wigginton . . . Joe Beimel (he might be out of the salary range)
At this point I don't like much left that would be cheap
Wigginton or Pedro (which I highly doubt). I really would like a CF but nothing is really left. Are we back to if Edmonds was extremely cheap? I think Pudge is out also.
I don’t think they need a reliever . I think the team feels comfortable about 2b. I am on board with the Yasser clan.
Anybody want to take a flyer on Patterson? His defense is still good.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I would disagree on the reliever . . . if you can add one cheap,
but I am also skeptical regarding Linebrink’s health and contribution next year.
But that is the point
Unless or until he breaks down you really don’t have a spot, at least for the type of role Burgos would fulfill.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Do you think Jon Link is an option for innings the 2nd half of the season?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
its a serious question
I realize my minor league knowledge is severely lacking in terms of arrivals, contributions etc…
So Yoda. Answer the freaking question!
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
His OBP last year was .238
why would we want that?
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
You asked many questions...I am refering to C Patterson
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
But he wants DEFENSE, not OBP!
He must hate blond Californians….
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
So to the flyer to Patterson I take it your answer is NO.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I think that is one of the few options
where I might prefer Wise.
My heart is definitely not into it.
I just wondered if he was worth a flyer. Chone projects him quite well defensively in 09 and for as screwed up as his bat was in Cincy he’s still 28-29 and probable capable of a .700 – .750 OPS.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I think we already have JO, BA, and Wise
to take fliers on…why add another major question mark to the mix?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
the CHONE projections are seriously flawed
they put too much stock in three years worth of production, so guys that were hurt(Q!) or came from nowhere(Chelexei), even new talents(Longoria) are undervalued, while guys that might be on the downside of their careers are overblown(Ibanez- new park might be part of that one).
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
Serious question referenced Jon Link
Not sure where OBP came…… just kidding.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I was more in the corner
of Rodriguez than Link. I guess I am skeptical of 24 year old AA relievers who are merely good at that level. Which isn’t to say Rodriguez wasn’t close to the same . . .
merkin is already preparing his headlines
the White Sox missing Link!
http://www.loudountimes.com/news/2009/jan/23/chantilly-native-could-be-white-soxs-missing-link/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
And how much did KW pay for Wise again?
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
I think $550k and a couple of fags (hoodies kind)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
That's good - I was have a Pablo flashback and thinking he gave him a mil
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
I'm proud to say
I’ve never smoked a fag.
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
Me neither
It’s bad for your gums (and lungs)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
But did a fag ever... never mind
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
i say economy has not hit hard enough
until there will be people asking Congress to work on BCS playoff/non-playoff issue in college football. With so many REAL problems in the world some fucknuts in Utah is all pi$#ing all over because they didn’t get a chance at championship game. Be thankful you have so many awesome teams that any one could be #1.
also, rowand's timely deal (for rowand's sake)
just increases his legend status. From now on I refer to him as The One That Has Crashed The Walls And Got Paid BIG
Awesome 2008 Montage
by hockeyman04 on Jan 23, 2009 10:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
very nice, indeed.
very NFL-like in the dramatics/music.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
hey all right!
you got the ‘how to post’ thing sorted out
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
Why not corner the market on fat, past their prime SP's?
From Olney today:
David Wells never filed retirement papers and would be open to a minor league deal if one was offered.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions
I fit the age profile!
And I’m willing to gain weight if I am paid to do so.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Jan 23, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
WU, might have been a possibility
until yesterday. When larry informed the rest of us that you were on the list.
offender.fdle.state.fl.us
This wouldn’t go over well on Family Day and all the Kids Days. Sorry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Now, Robert, consider the source.
How do you think larry knew that URL? Come on, now.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I thought he said he looked up the link
prior to his florida trip last year? He wanted to know what areas to avoid down in that god forsaken, sex starved state of yours.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
And you believe a lawyer?
Pull this leg.
Oh, wait, that feeds your conclusion, doesn’t it?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
This is why I limit my time in Florida as much as possible
In-laws live down there, but when I go down there I am usually on a boat, fishing or diving. Away from the general population as much as possible.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Starting pitcher market thawing?
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/01/starting_pitcher_market_thawin.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Id love to see the Sox sign a starter
Pedro, Sheets, Perez please
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
perez? God no
Can’t afford the other two— Sheets costs you a draft pick… Pedro wants $7MM
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Pedro wants $7MM
I want $10MM, doesn’t mean I’ll get it!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
however, fairly safe
to assume he will be paid more than we can afford. Maybe not $7M, but at $4-5M he would still be too expensive.
oh I see...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Do you think Pedro
will be in the $1M-2M range?
no
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Reference? What's he doing now?
The news hound has been aced out by the Other Illinois Politician.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
He says he US constiutional rights
are being violated by the Illinois State Consitution on him not being able to defend himself in front of the senate during the impeachment hearing.
“Presumption of innocence” is all he keeps referencing….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
That and a awesome cowboy reference about hanging the horse thief!
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Question - lets say he gets impeached
1. I am assuming his pension and health care are forfeited?
2. What happens to his political campaign fund, does he still get to keep that?
Just asking because his wife just got canned from her $100k job, I think she still is a real estate broker – but who would let her broker anything anymore. Secondly, he would be tainted and worthless…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
He'll become a radio talk personality
I belive he keeps it as long as he states he may still be hopes of being in government. He’ll probably hire his wife to manage the funds… till they are used up.
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
“[Under state Senate rules] if the cowboy charged with stealing a horse was charged with doing that in town, but in fact on the date and time that he apparently stole the horse in town he was on the ranch with six other cowboys, herdin’ cattle and ropin’ steers, and then he expects that when his day comes to go to court he can bring those six cowboys to say it wasn’t him ‘cause he wasn’t in town he was on the ranch heardin’ cattle, even if he could bring those cowboys into say that, under these rules, under 8B, it wouldn’t matter.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/23/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4750069.shtml
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jan 23, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cheat, I gotta rec that confabulation.
He is a genius. GENIUS!
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
More fun with G-Rod
“Dec. 9 to my family, to us, to me, is what Pearl Harbor Day was to the United States,” Blagojevich told The Associated Press. “It was a complete surprise, completely unexpected. And just like the United States prevailed in that, we’ll prevail in this.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/01/23/2009-01-23_illinois_governor_rod_blagojevich_corrup.html
Yes, Governor the feeling people had when they learned almost 2,000 soliders were killed in a surprise attack by the Japanese during a global war is similar to the one you had when you realized the FBI knew how incompetent you were.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 24, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what a fucker
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
He gave a 45 minute interview (the first since his arrest)
and then held a press conference… Grasping at straws… “You can’t impeach me. Pat Quinn will raise your taxes!”
AIM: SouthSideCheat
He's Wyatt and the senate is the cowboys - you can tell by the red sashes
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
That's right Doc
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Ending his 43-minute interview, Blagojevich likened the current drama surrounding him “to a 21st Century Frank Capra movie… how the good guy was up against the establishment… But he stood firm for the people. That’s what this is about.”
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/01/blagojevich-its-a-plot-to-raise-taxes.html
AIM: SouthSideCheat
What happens when only 3 people out of 100 like you
You basically are going against the people then???
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I have two guns...
one for the both of you.
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
Classic Daley
Today the mayor puckered his lips and in a high-pitched, sing-song voice used the word “cuckoo” to describe Blagojevich. It was the second time in four months that Daley sang like a fake bird poking out of a clock when asked a question about Blagojevich.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Takes a kook to know a kook, I guess
What’s next for Blago? Doing something crazy like shutting down an airport in the middle of the night?
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
Daley was the all powerful then
Not sure he gets away with that today.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
But he’s still pretty powerful. I’ll bet he dies in office. He’ll still be mayor when they have the 2016 Olymoics here.
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
Ugh..."Olympics"
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
The scary thing is
The House and the Senate have been so wrapped up with Blago, they really haven’t looked at our budget. I can’t really see them doing anything but cutting funding even more. I doubt they would raise taxes.
Screwed either way basically, Illinois is billions (I think 3) in debt
the state of california laughs mockingly at that pittance of a budget deficit
and then cries.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Jan 23, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
And they just voted themselves a $9.5B bullet train.
Brilliant.
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by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Never fear, George Mitchell is here!
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/shysterball/article/never-fear-george-mitchell-is-here/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
thats good stuff
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
10% for homers, 8% for line drives
http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/wood_v_metal/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
esteban serenades jenni
http://www.latingossip.com/deportes/jenni-riveras-boyfriend-with-his-girlfriend.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http3A2F%2Fwww.aldiatx.com…
http://www.aldiatx.com/sharedcontent/dws/aldia/noesporintrigar/stories/012309aldiapaucolumn.21e86d05.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
How the hell do you find this?
Who knew Loiaza was such a player!
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
I visit latingossip.com every day
nah, google picked up the aldiatx link
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Estaban is the man
what an awesome year he had w/ us
by Crede's Crew on Jan 23, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
This article made me LOL a bunch of times so I figured it deserved a mention...
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/01/what_i_remember.html
Some fantastic one-liners in there.
lol
The sad part is that so many people actually think this way. :(
If you have nothing to add to the discussion. Continue sniffing glue.
by defensive indifference on Jan 23, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
law's potential top 100 next year
Chicago White Sox
The Sox acquired lefty Santos Rodriguez (Rookie) in the Javy Vazquez trade; he’s long and lanky and throws 95-96 mph, but his delivery needs work, and his command and control are below-average.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3855023&name=law_keith
"A lot of people talk about his on-base percentage. I like to think in terms of him getting into scoring position."
I would think A?
I thought he was in Rookie ball last year.
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
I've often seen descriptions of pitchers
refer to ‘command’ and ‘control’ are they referring to the same thing here?
number one when it mattered!
I don't know what the difference is??
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Probably a better definition
of command would be thowing the ball in the area of the strike zone giving the pitcher the greatest chance of recording an out, regardless if it comes via strikeout, groundout….etc. You do that by knowing each hitter’s more vulnerable areas…..I’m sure you’ve seen the graphic where the strike zone is divided into nine quadrants…..each with the hitter’s batting average…etc
that would sort of defeat the purpose and meld command and control into one.
"A lot of people talk about his on-base percentage. I like to think in terms of him getting into scoring position."
people use often use them interchangeably or without really thinking about what they mean. [not saying law is doing that here]
i define command as ability to get the ball over the plate. probably best measured by strikeouts divided by walks. i define control as ability to avoid walks, so use bb per nine innings.
kevin goldstein explaining it:
Kevin Goldstein: Control: Throwing strikes/not walking people
Command: Location, location, location; i.e. throwing good strikes.
"A lot of people talk about his on-base percentage. I like to think in terms of him getting into scoring position."
Ah...makes sense
thanks for clearing that up.
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by BobbySouthSide on Jan 23, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
If it is Law's list, don't you mean
“White Sox prospects certain to die never having had a cup of coffee in The Show”?
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by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

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