The Evolution of Ozzie Guillen's Hook
by The Cheat on Jan 4, 2009 9:43 PM CST
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Late in the season when I was upset that Ozzie Guillen's quick hook cost the Sox a game, I promised to revisit the issue at greater length over the off-season. With the holidays officially over and most of America returning to a more normal schedule Monday, it's time to get South Side Sox back on track as well. And what better place to start than examining the evolution of Ozzie Guillen's hook.
Early in Guillen's tenure as manager, it was evident that he intended to give his pitchers a bit more rope than Sox fans were used to. Guillen's '04 Sox ranked first in all of baseball in 100+ and 110+ pitch games, but fell behind a number of teams in the 115 and 120+ pitch categories.This approach, allowing a pitcher to work himself out of early (and sometimes late) jams, minimizing the use of the bad-end of the bullpen, earned Guillen praise from seemingly antithetical sources including Hawk, Pitcher Abuse Point watchers, bloggers (yours truly), and various saber-types. Guillen was given particular credit for the growth of Jon Garland as he we allowed to work deeper into games.
That trend continued in the Sox World Series run and the '06 & '07 seasons, as they led all of baseball in 100+ pitch outings, yet didn't top any of the other high-pitch count categories.
That philosophy changed in '08, however, as the Sox didn't lead any of the high-pitch count categories. (Interestingly, the club that led baseball was managed by Guillen's predecessor Jerry Manuel.)
What strikes me isn't the 20% drop in 100+ pitch outings--That can easily be explained away as a bit of a fluke, increased confidence in a bullpen which had a great first 3 months, or the desire to protect 1/5th of the rotation, namely John Danks--it's the precipitous drop in 110+ pitch games. Guillen allowed Sox pitchers to reach that mark in only about 10% of games this season. That's down from about 25-30% in his first 4 seasons.
I don't know if we can draw any conclusions from the new philosophy. Trying to discern the root of the change is a fools errand, as it's a bit of a Chicken-or-the-Egg scenario. Did Guillen change because he trusted his bullpen more than his young pitchers or did Guillen choose to protect his young pitchers because he got two new veteran bullpen arms to play with?
I'd love be able to drill down and see if there was a large difference in leverage index when Guillen made the initial call to bullpen, but I wouldn't know where to begin and it seems like it might be an arduous task. Anecdotally, purely from my own faulty memory, it seemed like the bullpen started an inning after the starter was pulled more often than in the past.
I'd like to see Ozzie return to his '04-'07 form next season, limiting the use of the replacement-level end of the bullpen in favor of his above-average starters. But with a rotation which looks to contain two young pitchers who have less experience than '08 Danks and Floyd, I'm prepared to see more of the quick-hook Guilen in '09.
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for comparison sake,
what has the hook looked like when using innings as the measure?
Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.
pretty much the same
Sox led the league in IP from starters in 3 of Guillen’s first 4 seasons…
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I fear
for the bullpen. Younger/less effective starters=more wear and tear on a higher maintenance, older pen.
I really wish Nessie got more of shot last year
It would have really helped his development, and allowed us to count on him as a semi-reliable member of the pen next year…
Similarly, if the Sox didn’t make the playoffs in last season, I think their biggest mistake might have been leaving Poreda in minors while giving double barreled suck key innings in the pen.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Nessie? I missed that one. Usually didn't hang around the game threads. You mean Russell?
Anyway, we have four core relievers, which is something that most teams don’t have. Problems are that it’s high maintenance, like I said. Also, there will probably be a need for seven relievers, which is always problematic in the AL. The fifth will probably end up being Carrasco, and I guess the last two will be Russell and a medley. Though, that would cut the waiver wire pickups, so maybe they’ll ride those until they fall off and then bring up Russell or someone. I hope Poreda isn’t in that group, like I’ve said before. If Richard is in there, that’d be fine by me; he has good reliever stuff. Low-mid-nineties fastball and durability+lefthandedness. Wise, Anderson, Betemit, catcher is the bench, that leaves out Nix. Maybe they’ll start with six relievers and work it out from there… that would make sense. It will work itself out in ST, I guess. They have plenty of room in the Charlotte rotation for the losers.
Poreda did pitch 161 innings. Not a huge jump from the 146 in 07, I guess they could have brought him up but didn’t want to purchase his contract. They have been stingy about bringing up prospects if they didn’t need to for a long time, and didn’t want the risk of shooting his confidence before he tested AAA waters, I’m guessing.
If Richard and Marquez(I know, bear with me) to fill out the rotation, the Charlotte rotation would look like this:
Broadway
Whisler
Egbert
Poreda
Omogrosso/McCulloch/Harrell
So it does fit, though every thing is subject and likely to change somehow in the next three months.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 4, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
I would really like to see a scouting report on Marquez' AFL
his numbers are just awful. KW’s just pr’ing that…I hope.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
From Kenny's brief thoughts on Poreda...
— and I may very well be remembering incorrectly — I thought he indicated Poreda would likely be with the Sox in one way or another. As such, that’s another reliever and I’d guess a pretty good one at that.
The bullpen is one area I’m not really worried about (so long as Jenks isn’t dealt), especially if Poreda is back there. I’d put Jenks – Dotel – Thornton – Poreda up against just about anyone.
How quickly we forget
Linebrink.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Protecting Buehrle was a mission set in spring training
The Sox didn’t push him until the end. Seemed to work out well in that case.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
yeah thats the issue right there
They even held him back a few times for extra rest I seem to recall.
Seeing as how it worked, I’d bet on more of the same, plus like some of you guys touched on, the bullpen is pretty solid.
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
The 20% drop may also be due to the fact that we had
2 pitchers in Floyd and Danks who had never thrown 200 innings. Add in Clayton Richard’s starts, and it is not that hard to see why there was a drop… If you would like to see Ozzie leave his guys out there longer, we could always try and get Randy Wolf, or we can just live with the fact that when you have young pitchers, your goal is to try to not blow their arms out.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 4, 2009 11:14 PM CST reply actions
I fully concur with this.
I can’t believe it, but SoB makes a cogent, measured, well thought-out point. We were worried as hell about Danksy hitting the wall in September (well, he did, until he had to man up down the stretch). We also were worried about MB and innings because of his participation in the WBC.
Nice job, SoB.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Yeah prety much, not really enough info to make a determination
that Ozzie has changed. The staff has changed. Buerhle has been here the whole time and the number of times he went at least 7 was 29-2005, 18-2006 (really bad year), 22-2007 & 20-2008.
Javier in his 3 years 14-2006, 23-2007 (good year), 16-2008 for going at 7.
I still have great faith with Ozzie and the staff but the bullpen is pretty good.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I am as hot as donut greese right now!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
*grease
Fuck! Now I am as cold as a witch’s titty in a brass bra. Sit down HSA!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 5, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
It's nice that you think of me in your glory moments. But I'm already seated.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Jan 6, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
They're going to have to push Buehrle, Floyd, and Danks
Because, quick hook or not, the back end of the rotation is going to struggle in 2009. With this in mind, if Ozzie gets Danks, Floyd, and/or Buehrle early on a consistent basis, the bullpen is going to be extraordinarily tired come mid-June.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
I didnt realize the rotation was set yet
The off season is like not over yet.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
If there is an addition to the rotation...
It’s not going to be a major one, IMO. You’re right, it’s still just January and there’s a lot of time for Jon Garland or Randy Wolf’s price to come down, but I just get the feeling that the Sox aren’t going to make any more significant additions to the roster until spring training.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
I think a Dye trade makes sense still
and I think an innings eater type makes a lot of sense for this kind of staff. but i don’t think there are decent contracts to be had on the FA market. I’d be looking to get some pitching depth in the hypothetical Dye trade. it would take a big buy to get the ‘09 team to ~88 wins and that’s the opposite direction KW has suggested he’ll take.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I think you still have to wait...
For Dunn, Burrell, Abreu, and maybe even Giambi to sign given that they may end up with one-year contracts in the neighborhood or less than what Dye will make in 2009. Once those three come off the board, if there still is a team in need of a RF/DH, then a Dye trade makes sense. But right now, it seems very unlikely that any team will want Dye before exploring all the free agent options,
I’d like to see the team sign an innings-eater, too, but the only guy out there who really fits that bill is Garland. If the Mets somehow fail to sign both Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez, then the market for Garland will shoot up and knock the Sox out of the bidding. Best case is that Garland is still on the market in late January and the Sox could get him for cheap, but I’m not convinced that’ll happen.
That being said, since this team probably isn’t going anywhere higher than third in 2009, let’s sign Pedro. Yeah, there’s a 95% chance he gets injured or flames out in the AL, but maybe, just maybe, he could be an effective pitcher again. Plus, he could go into the Steve Carlton/Tom Seaver/Ken Griffey Jr. wing of White Sox lore.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
sign me up for pedro too
that guy could be effective with a 75 mph heater.
Contreras will be back eventually too.
So even if those three eat up a lot of innings early, they can extra days rest later or go to a 6 man rotation if they really need to.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
I don't have much faith in Jose's lasting power
I have a feeling if/when he comes back up he gets hurt again very quickly. He is pretty old..
I think he could be worthwhile out
of the bullpen for a little while until he gets his strength back and then could be used as a spot starter/fifth starter depending on how the rotation performs for the season.
You can’t count on the count though.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't have to last that long
To give guys some rest. Two months of starts would still mean everyone got to skip a start if you wanted to play it that way.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 5, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
i'd be cool with Pedro
contract pending, of course.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
we still have to sign our fifth
its going to be a combo:
Livan and El Duque Hernandez
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
Which means it'll maybe be Livan
Which means we can look forward to a beastly 1.67 WHIP
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Jan 5, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
You forget - he was the reason Liriano stayed in the minors as long as he did.
We owe Livan our division title – or at least someone should get him a Division Champ ring.
And he shall be Livan. And he shall be a good man.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
and they shouted Livan
Livan, Livann likes his money
He makes a lot they say
Spend his days counting
In a garage by the motorway
________________________________
I dont really want Livan, but thees guys, they Cuban.
duh
what the hell is a Uribe Auction, anyway?
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
Lesser of the evils - agreed.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i still want the Sox to get Lowe
to tell you the truth.
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
16M per year is what he's hoping for
and he just rejected 10 per. he’s just about worth that, but on top of that we’d lose the 20somethingth pick. and he’s with boras. i do really like watching him pitch though.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
also not impressed with
36/3 from the mets according to espn (or whoever they stole that info from)
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
WU...glad to know
I’m not the only one with Elton John running through my head every time Livan’s name is invoked.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
the reason Liriano stayed in the minors as long as he did
is stinginess
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
We know, we know.
Just play along for the jokes.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Don't worry
he’s dead now. We don’t have to be quiet.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 5, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
javier vazquez was also apparently unlucky in the quality of batters faced while with the white sox.
Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.
And unlucky that he was
born with tiny balls.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
larry says he is completely bereft, IIRC.
I have no idea, and defer to larry. He may have had a peek.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Not only does larry have all the stats and numbers to back
up his thoughts and knowledge – but he also knows the size or lack of any genitals on all starting pitchers in MLB?? Or just the American League?
larry is better than google!!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I believe larry's knowledge re: size/circumference of sacagaweas
is limited to members (snicker) of the White Sox’ farm/parent clubs (snicker). His primary assessment tool (snicker) was described to me thusly:
1. Line up the players, all dressed in their unis.
2. Use a 32" bat to smack the players’ cups.
3. Since the “emptiest vessel clangs the loudest”, the cup that rings most deeply is the one bereft of, ahem, genetic fortitude.
He also told me he could bang out “Heart and Soul” with Javy, Gavin, Thomer, Wise, and Getz. (Javy’s was the lowest and deepest note, he says.)
I am totally serious.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
NICE!
Q! was not involved? Probably didn’t make a sound when you hit his cup, I would assume.
“Heart and Soul” a classic!
Good to see you survived the Viagra Bombs as well.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Q would not let larry near him with a bat.
He is more self-directed that way.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
More on cups
Bears receiver (more like “dropper” this season) Rashid Davis said a few weeks back on his weekly WLUP interview that almost every player in the NFL does NOT wear a cup, claiming that it impedes mobility.
Are they, excuse the expression, nuts? Or have the jewels shrunk due to juicing, so protection is not necessary? Discuss.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
NFL Tough.
Wow. Even I’ve been wearing one to work lately.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
OL, DL and RB's
are the only positions that need to wear them. Too much grabbing going on with those positions. Otherwise I would have to agree that it would tend to get in the way. Davis is a WR, and I couldn’t imagine running all game with a cup at WR.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense, I guess
That is until you go up for a pass and the defender lands a knee square in your nuts.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
I had a teacher in junior high who wore one every day, all day. He was a PE teacher, which made sense and all.
But then he’d show up with it to teach Health class.
And I just couldn’t take his sex ed. seriously for some reason.
Are they that difficult to get on and off? Is it like chaining up your tires?
Anyway, I was highly distracted by his protuberance.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Jan 6, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
starting twice at Yankee stadium in four days
probably inflated this crazy new stat
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
I'm all confused now
Because Randy Johnson has giant harry balls, the Cubs nation, which does not exist because there is no rythym nation, will want to change the stadium name due to construction at gate 5 since the availability of Dunn who is actually Dye is not available till 2027 yet Jones would be a cheap fit for Jr because OC may accept arbitration due to being a great SS while KW will sign only Cubans and the Count will be back to help Garland land in NYM with Floyd being available only beacause Jenks is on the block while we are getting Roberts because Getz who is MIA after his “so-called” interview doesn’t pitch deep enough into the game due to Ozzie’s quick hook forgot about Linebrink while being distracted by Nesssie noticing that Vasquez has tiny balls so that Pedro could pitch till Poerda learned till spell his name as Poreda and the MLB TV is ruining marriages because they aren’t shown in HD on comcast while Marquez scouting report tells that Dayan is the best dam leadoff position player?
This offseason is really confusing me this year!
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
by Brush Back on Jan 5, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
you even spelled rhythm incorrectly, thus warming my heart in this new year!
There is a God!
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
Hey, I thought that was my job.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Its a tough economy - you better watch your back!
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
The new Actual El Guano!
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
that's Guapo!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
What does this have to do with Orlando Hudson?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 5, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Someone is horning in on your territory, TAEG.
And doing it quite nicely. A lovely shade of green. Like envy.
Serengeti Plain = SSS.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
In the world of the SSS Jungle, I am the Thai bumblebee bat or Etruscan pygmy shrew.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jan 5, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
WTF?
I can’t even research that or my head will explode.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
thanks for the plug ;P
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
the all FAs squad:
batting order:
Baldelli cf
O Dog 2b
Manny lf
Dunn dh
Giambi 1b
Abreu rf
Crede 3b
Pudge C
Cabrera ss
bench:
Baldelli, Kapler, Griffey, Varitek
rotation:
B Sheets
J Smoltz
Pedro
D Lowe
J Garland
C James
(i listed 6 because the first 3 might give you 400 IP, if youre lucky)
bullpen:
Juan Cruz
B Lyon
D Reyes
J Biemel
closer:
T Hoffman
_____________________________________________
a little long in ther tooth but there would be worse teams
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
I wonder (excluding Manny) what that team payroll would be like
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
teams have been paying out at about 4 and a half mil per win.
and that would be one shitty defensive outfield.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I like that when Baldelli tires in the 6th, Baldelli can come off the bench to replace him
that being said, nice job
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
It's the Baldelli Nation.
You think you are the only one to have your own Nation? POS.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i have my own nation.
well, panhandle, anyway.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I hear cucumbers work well too.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Jan 6, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Tadahito close to signing with Chiba Lotte Marines
thanks for 2005 gooch.
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
rays finally blink
and some more dominos can fall.
supposedly close to signing burrell, meaning bradley to the cubs and giambi to oakland should follow. 2/$16M.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9031336/Sources:-Rays,-Burrell-near-two-year,-$16M-deal?MSNHPHMA
Griffey suffered the injury early in the season with the Reds when he tripped over a misplaced foot locker in the Reds' clubhouse.
Would be very good signing
Damn the East is tough.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Q is tougher.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Jan 5, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a big contract for them. They are still making noises about a new stadium. (Sure.)
Where does Abreu go, and for how much?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Dodgers
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Manny signs there?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
it will probably LA either way for bob.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Could the Mets snag him?
They could plug him in at LF.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
one would hope that teams would be learning that DHs should not play in the field.
but, with the mets, who knows.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
gotta get that new stadium going.
shovel ready project. thousands of jobs. economic stimulus. how can one argue against that logic.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
On an only slightly related topic...
how’s business? Did the new year year, in fact, bring new filings? Soon to be filings? Good luck.
larry's got a mentor, larry's got a mentor...
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
He did invent the internet, you know.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
We are all larry's playthings.
Some toys he favors over others.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
and you would certainly know
(snickers)
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
there will be new filings.
thankfully no one was in such serious trouble that they needed to file immediately. one usually wants some weeks or months to prepare. holidays are no time to be working on a fire drill filing.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
you too
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Rays sign Pat Burrell to a Steal of a Deal
Burrell is EXACTLY what the Rays need: a right-handed, middle-of-the-order bat. Burrell is a terrible fielder, but will only have to play the field in an emergency, and will become the full-time DH. He hit .250/.367/.507 last year, and has posted OBPs of over .360 (including three years over .380) every year since 2004, and has slugged over .500 for four consecutive years. He crushes lefties (.276/.410/.540 in his career) but is very good against righties too (career .251/.352/.467). Even though he has spent his entire career in Philadelphia (and has played in a hitter-friendly park for most of it), his career home OPS is 851, and his career road OPS is 853.
Last season, Eric Hinkse had a wRAA (weighted runs above average) of 6.5. Cliff Floyd was 4.8. Together they were 11.3. Pat Burrell was 24.3 (and he was 30, 24, and 32 over the previous three years). It’s fair to assume that Burrell is at least approximately twice as good as the players who DHed for the Rays last year, and is approximately a 1.5 – 2 win upgrade (at least) over the previous DHs.
That may not sound like a lot, but think about it this way: Eric Hinske and Cliff Floyd were actually fairly productive for the Rays in 2008 – 11.3 wRAA is nothing to sneeze at. Even if Burrell is "only" twice as good as those two, it’s not like those two were bad in the first place – so twice as good is saying something. Furthermore, Burrell is only one player, so the Rays in essence free up a roster spot by not having to use a platoon at DH.
Burrell is also very low-risk, having an established track record of consistent success throughout his career – especially over the last four years. His OPS+ since 2005 has ranged between 122 and 128 – now that’s consistency.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/1/5/709645/rays-sign-pat-burrell-to-a
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
2 and 16? niiice.
i have to think that makes the possible return on JD less shiny. Dunn could get more years for about the same per year I’m guessing.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Nervous Twitches
Ever since the day after Christmas I have been getting these really nervous twitches. Usually it is my left hand swinging up and smacking my head and then my right leg kicking straight out….sometimes my head sways backwards too. On occassion I have crapped myself, but that only happened a couple of times.
So, I went to the doc and he said that I am suffering from a lack of “Joe Cowley Twitters”.
Sucks….I didn’t know if any of you were getting any of these symptoms?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Stupid question, of course, but
would we be interested in taking on Michael Young and his contract? From Heyman:
As to those currently on the roster, Texas has been fielding offers on veteran pitcher Vicente Padilla, with the Braves among the teams to show interest. They also have received a few inquiries on shortstop Michael Young, who has $62 million and five years left on his deal.
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/37781-rangers-mull-manny-pursuit?eref=fromSI
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
he seriously has five years left on his current deal?
jesus christ.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
the Rangers would have to pay out a LOT of money for that.
for one, he’s not a real SS. -9 projection from CHONE this year. and he’s 32, so the contract runs through his age 36 season. for a guy who at this point in his career is an average hitter. if he makes 2 WAR per year (veeerrry optimistic), he’s worth ~9M, 3 less than he’s getting on average for the remainder of the deal. i’d want something like 5M per from the Rangers and even then his last two seasons would probably be a waste of a roster space.
what a bad deal.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
That's what I thought,
which is why I can’t believe they’d sign Manny.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
but now they've got all that money that they used to have to send to the yankees.
somebody needs to roll the dice out west. division is there for the taking.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
One would think they might try
and actually get some decent pitching??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
sure.
sign sheets and ramirez. and you’re on your way.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
they don't have a 3B right? thinking aloud:
Young to 3B, sign OCab (i think their pick is protected), figure out LF between Murphy/Blalock/whoever, sign Manny to DH. That’s probably a win picked up at 3rd, another win at short, and another win at DH (comparing to last year). that gets them to ~83 wins (they were an 80 win team per BP last year).
so, they’d have to sign Derek Lowe or get lucky to be significant players. that’s in excess of 30M added to the payroll in a shit economy. and they’ve got a pretty good system, too.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Report: Andruw Jones Quits Winter Ball
http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/2009/01/report-andruw-jones-quits-winter-ball.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
those scouting reports were pretty damning
he should be getting his ass in shape so he can work out for some teams.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Andruw
has never been much of a workout person. He is pissed, and is probably on the couch eating bon bons and watching Oprah.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Let's get him.
Oh, wait, we have BA. Cheaper with the same winter work ethic.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
BA had some
majorly bad water dude, caused some totally bogus stomach issues – not at all, like related to work ethic and stuff.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Mariotti is back - Gdammit.
The return of Jay Mariotti
Posted by Ed Sherman at 1/5/2009 7:51 AM CST on Chicago Business
Take cover, Jerry Reinsdorf—and probably everyone else in sports. He’s backkkkkk.
Jay Mariotti has reappeared as a columnist for AOL.com’s sports Web site. His first column is up today.
Typically, his words danced with sunshine and happy thoughts. Yeah, right.
Mr. Mariotti used his debut to take one more jab at the Sun-Times and explain his abrupt and weird departure from the newspaper last August. He detailed having an editor ask him at the Olympics to have a “Michael Phelps wins” and a “Michael Phelps loses” column ready to go since the swimmer’s race occurred right on deadline. It isn’t an uncommon request given the nature of the business.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Old. News. See previous larry post from previous thread (immediately preceding this one).
guess who’s back, boys and girls?
do not ever visit this site again.
by larry on Jan 4, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keep up, will ya, BSS?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
nice development
since I never visit aol’s sports page
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I just got sober, WU
Give me a break!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
WU at the metrodome?
http://deadspin.com/5123294/and-a-new-philly-slogan-is-born
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jan 5, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
eagles wins?
rec’d for finding the moron with the sign.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
dominos...
word on the street is bradley to the cubs 3/$30M.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
A lot of coin for a guy who don't play so much.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
yeah, get rid of DeRosa, Wood, and Marquee...
only their 3 best players down the stretch.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
But that can't be! Greg Crouch said he's a cancer the Cubs shouldn't sign!
won’tprovide a link, but trust me.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Can't wait until the August heat during day games starts effing with him.
Ka-BOOM, like nitroglycerin.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
So over/under on number of games
until he and Zambrano get each other in headlocks?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Too bad Barrett's gone.
That would be fun. All you’d need is a racist Jeff Kent-esque guy.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
fukudome.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
he's black
he can handle it. It’s the white players who can’t handle the sun dummy!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
can you tell i had pizza for lunch?
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Yummmmmm, Pizza.
Almost as good as Chipotle (I’m addicted to that sh*t).
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
If you go to the Chipotle website,
you can plug-in exactly what you order in your burrito, and then they tell you how many calories and sodium are in your burrito. I assure you that you don’t want to ever do this. What make it worse is that the portion sizes they assume would completely piss you off if the person assembling the burrito actually gave you so little. But it is fantastic, quick food. Now I’m hungry…
It is okay, I usually order a diet coke.
HA!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
hey where on the website can I find the calorie counter?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
taco fresco blows chipotle out of the water...
although, I get the salad bowl at chip like thrice a week.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3811744&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Soriano in LF and Bradley in RF?
That is some brutal D.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
defense doesn't overcome curses.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
that is not a good idea.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
it's not their money they're spending.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
I Googled the first sentence and it took me to Joe Sheehan's BP site.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
wait, the college kid doesn't google but the geriatric does?
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Well, it IS colin, larry.
He has to respond to Peter Bendix and do music reviews and stuff. He’s busy. He’s the new hoodie of the States.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Just stay in bed.
You don’t want no money, you don’t want no bread.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i'm in the kitchen, actually.
with the tombstone blues. friggin’ crust won’t rise.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
so cry about it.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
It's Deep Purple. Fer Chrissakes.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
deep purple sucks.
at least i went with dylan.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Dylan is old.
Wait…
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
How can you have any pudding
if you don’t eat your meat?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Horry Kow will be busy in CF.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I have a feeling he'll be an expensive
defensive replacement.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
olney saying another dominoe is falling; giambi to As a done deal.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Is that like "potatoe" or "tomatoe"?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Larry is secretly Dan Quayle
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jan 5, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Giambi signing imminent; Burrell and Bradley inked
shit’s heatin’ up baby!
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Where is our action?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
the sox have already committed too much salary to ozuna for next season.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
how would you know?
I don’t see it listed on our handy payroll chart
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jan 5, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
because i know everything. duh.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Laugh now, Cheat - the only reason we won the division
last year was because we had JUST enough Ozuna magic. Look what happened with the Dodgers. The man’s a talisman.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I would concur
I put Ozuna magic on my taco’s too. Makes em’ a little spicy, but very tasty.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take $50 on Red.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
after i cleaned up on game 163 (and got my camaro back!),
i put 25 grand down on the palestinians. come on hamas! daddy needs a new fur coat!
sox fest
CHICAGO — Chicago White Sox players John Danks, Jermaine Dye, Gavin Floyd, Paul Konerko, Carlos Quentin, Jim Thome, along with manager Ozzie Guillen and general manager Ken Williams, are scheduled to attend SoxFest 2009, presented by U.S. Cellular.
…
Other current players and coaches scheduled to attend are Brian Anderson, Harold Baines, Jeff Cox, Chris Getz, Scott Linebrink, Juan Nieves, Jerry Owens, Clayton Richard, Adam Russell, Mark Salas, Ehren Wassermann, Greg Walker and Dewayne Wise. Announcers Ken “Hawk” Harrelson, Steve Stone and Ed Farmer also will be in attendance.
Owens, Wise, and Wasserman are are scheduled to compete in the 100 yard dash. Richard will be presenting a clinic for youngsters entitled “How to Field Your Position Like a Major Leaguer.” Due to the departures of Juan Uribe and Toby Hall, the pie eating contest is cancelled. Other events will be scheduled in the coming days so watch whitesox.com for more details.
Legendary White Sox executives and players also will attend SoxFest, including: Roland Hemond, Kevin Hickey, Ron Kittle, Bill Melton, Minnie Minoso and Moose Skowron. This year marks the 50th anniversary of the American League champion “Go-Go Sox” team. Commemorating the occasion, former White Sox players Jim McAnany, Jim Landis, Billy Pierce, Jim Rivera and Bob Shaw are scheduled to attend SoxFest.
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
Since when did Brian Anderson just become "other player"
Kid’s a stud.
How much to bet that Owens pulls a quad during the dash?
I heard Steve “Yes, I traded Scott Kazmire for Victor Zambrano” Phillips say today that Jerry Owens was going to be an integral part of tghe team this year.
Da da da DUM…
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Errr...
you just added that part about the pie eating contest, didn’t you Larry?
Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?
by defensive indifference on Jan 5, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
The Richard part didn't trip you up, either?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
Honestly...
no.
Proving once again how worthless it is to try and scroll through 200 comments all at once.
Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?
by defensive indifference on Jan 5, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
maybe colin finally Getz his interview?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
twins owner pohlad dies; last words are "whatever you do, don't get rid of punto...PUUUNTOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH...cough, cough....."
That makes you a blight on the face of the American sports landscape. It makes Jeffrey Loria an abomination as an owner. It does not, I should emphasize, reflect upon Larry Beinfest or the baseball operations staff, who have done yeoman's work under awful circumstances. That doesn't mean that the franchise should continue to exist though, because it exists solely and entirely to steal taxpayer money.
HA!
Do you think Punto will be named Interim Owner?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jan 5, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Punto will be all 6 pallbearers.
(Pohlad was cheap, too.)
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Only 93?
WHY? WWWWHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Two more years and you'll finally have beaten Carl at something, OPOS
;)
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
Sort of fun trivia
Since the team was founded, there have only been 4 seasons (up to the strike, but that won’t matter soon) that the White Sox have not had an eventual Hall of Famer on the roster. Anyone feel like guessing?
sit*
the question is
4 seasons in White Sox history w/o an eventual HoFer from team foundation until 1994? just trying to clarify.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
At 7:00 CST on the MLB:
Back-to back edition’s of “Prime 9”. Top nine CFers at 7:00, followed by top nine HRs
good shit
I wish Dugouts weren’t long and boring again.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 5, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
They really lost that flare when the moved to the fanhouse and had to clean everything up
I miss the Delmon and Dmitri Young ones a lot.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
interesting video posted on driveline mechanics about a 12 year old pitcher trained by Mike Marshall
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/1/4/708613/this-is-the-12-year-old-ma#comments
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Anybody else buying this report that
we’re signing Pedro and Brandon Lyon by the end of the week?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Suuuurrrreeeeee...
Where’d you see it?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
lyon is a mormon.
so there’s that. the white sox have certainly done more for the mormon baseball player than any other organization.
Hey, some tangible news about Pedro:
The Dodgers are not pursuing Pedro, but he’s narrowed his choices to two teams in each league according to his agent.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Jan 5, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
not the most credible source, but its at least a rumor that makes sense...
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311142
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn reply button fail
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So a Pedro/Poreda #5?
plus whatever we get Jose back for? That’s still an awful lot of faith in Richard and/or Marquez.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
also:
this is disconcerting. from what i’m familiar with, the Sox have a good recent history with keeping their pitchers healthy. so that will be interesting. would it be greedy to ask for another starter?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
wait, john danks had a large innings jump? hadn't heard.
i, too, was disconcerted. maybe even restive.
i kind of blocked that out
that broke me out of denial
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I have faith in Richard
And am whoring my blog out to prove it.
That’s not to say I’m sold on Richard, I just think he has the ability to be effective. It’s just a matter of whether or not he can harness that ability into effectiveness.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
Can you add one thing to the table?
The average age of the pitchers, or the # innings pitched in recent seasons etc etc. I wonder how much of that is factor – age and stamina versus a philosophical shift.
seems like average age in a usual sample of five
could be less than helpful.
i think what might be more helpful in determining a philosophical shift (or potentially something else) is how particular pitchers were handled over the years. mark buehrle obviously has been around all of these years and it appears ozzie is now limiting his pitch count, at least early in the past season. garland was around quite a bit, too, and javy has three seasons. all of these were arguably “in their prime” with the white sox and didn’t have much injury issues so they’d be good subjects. can look at jose, too, but there’s a lot going on there, like with freddy. doing this in addition to the overall picture could add something.
seems like he's justified in his fighting it
by Daniel Berlyn on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
seems like he should complain to the player's association.
and one also shouldn’t sit on generous settlement offers – he’s out close to a million because of that.
Off-topic
WTF, Texas?
IT’S OHIO FREAKING STATE YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE POINTS
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
no floyd for roberts
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Roberts to Sox? Not for Floyd
You can pretty much forget about another free agent, Jon Garland, as long as Ozzie’s in the dugout. They never got along before Garland was traded to the Angels last off-season, so that bridge has been torched.
And you can forget about a rumor that came out of Baltimore a few days ago.
The White Sox are said to be offering up-and-coming starter Gavin Floyd to the Orioles for second baseman Brian Roberts, but it ain’t going to happen.
Kenny tried to get Roberts before the July 31 trade deadline, offering shortstop Orlando Cabrera.
Orioles boss Andy MacPhail nixed that deal, as expected, and the Cabrera is still looking for work this winter (as are a lot of free agents).
http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1192
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Interesting about Garland...
Maybe I was living under a rock, but I never heard anything about Ozzie and Garland not getting along.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?
by UribeAuction on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think thats the first time its been mentioned
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Certainly the first time I've heard of it
I recall that in ‘04, Ozzie was a big Garland supporter, letting him work longer into games and getting his confidence up, but I suppose that doesn’t necessarily translate into the two of them getting along.
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
Ozzie got in his face some time in 06' when Gar threw behind a guy he was supposed to plunk.
Other than that, Paul Sullivan thinks Garland is real “immature” and was traded because of it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
You reall made me spend time digging this up?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3501534
p.s. right click then open in new window/tab.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jan 6, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
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