All-Time White Sox Second Baseman

by U-God on Jan 6, 2009 5:47 PM CST Comment 106 comments

While I hate to break up the new guy's stranglehold on the recent fanposts column, its Tuesday so it happens to be time for our next position vote. The first base vote drew the largest total yet (thanks everyone) and in a 66-36-2 final (who did vote for Walker?) Paul Konerko became our elected All-Time Chicago White Sox first baseman. The team roster currently consists of him, DH Frank Thomas, and Carlton Fisk. Today, I'll be covering the second sackers. WU should be happy as someone from the past is probably going to win this one. And your four choices (there wasn't a fifth worth mentioning) at second base are:

Eddie Collins

Eddie Collins is the first of two Hall of Famers on the ballot today. Collins' contract was purchased from the Philadelphia Athletics before the 1915 season. Eddie went on to play with the Sox til 1926. He won a ring in 1917 and was one of the "Clean Sox" on the 1919 team. In the last few years of his Chicago career, Collins was a player-manager for the team. Collins is second in franchise history in batting average (.331), on-base percentage (.426), fourth in both hits and runs, and first in stolen bases with 368. In his 12 year career on the South Side, Eddie put up the following numbers: 1670 games, 1,365 runs, 2,007 hits, 266 doubles, 102 triples, 31 homers, 804 RBI, and a slash-line of .331/.426/.424/.850.

Nellie Fox

Look at that mound of chaw in his mouth. Anyways, Nellie Fox is another Hall of Fame second baseman who came to us from the Philly A's. Nellie Fox is alos one of the few players to have both his number (2) retired by the Sox and have a statue out on the concourse. Nellie was a 12 time All-Star with the Sox and won the AL MVP in 1959. He also won the 1957, 1959, and 1960 Gold Gloves. Fox was well-known for being extremely difficult to strike out, and never struck out more than 18 times in one season. Fox is third in franchise history in runs and doubles, second in hits and games played, and first in triples. In his 14 seasons with the Sox, Fox posted the following numbers: 2,015 games, 2,470 hits, 1,187 runs, 335 doubles, 104 triples, 35 homers, 740 RBI, and a slash-line of .291/.349/.367/.716.

Jorge Orta

Though he lives in infamy as a Royal, Jorge started his career with us. While he was not anything fantastic with us, he was an All-Star in 1975. He played second for us for 8 seasons, and in those 673 games he posted the following numbers: 749 hits, 120 doubles, 34 triples, 57 homers, 343 RBI, 65 stolen bases, and a slash-line of .293/.349/.433/.782. Sorry, I just didn't want to have only three people to choose from.

Ray Durham

The second baseman of my childhood and eventual trade counter part for the great Jon Adkins, Ray Durham is last on our list. Durham ranks 9th in franchise history in runs, 8th in doubles, and 5th in stolen bases. Durham was a solid lead-off hitter with us and gave us the best years of his career. In his 7.5 seasons on the Sox, Ray posted the following numbers: 1,118 games, 784 runs, 1,238 hits, 248 doubles, 53 triples, 105 homers, 479 RBI, 219 stolen bases, and a slash-line of .279/.352/.430/.782.

Poll

Who is our All-Time Chicago White Sox Second Baseman?

Eddie Collins

81 votes

Nellie Fox

101 votes

Jorge Orta

1 votes

Ray Durham

10 votes

193 votes | Poll has closed

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by The Cheat on Jan 6, 2009 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

eddie collins...

was a top tier HOF’er. The best player ever to play for the sox.

by Hatchetm on Jan 6, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Uh Juan Uribe hasn't even retired yet

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 6, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd have to think about that second assertion a bit more, but i'd certainly say that argument would have a bunch of support.

if he’s not on this list, i will lose a good deal of respect for the people who frequent this blog.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta go with Nellie.

He’s a Hall of Famer, has his number retired and was my dads all time favorite hitter…. (Billy Pierce was his favorite pitcher).

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

EC, all the way.

He won more pennants and actually managed the team, too. Nellie is an emotional pick, but the numbers don’t lie.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 6, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

til i actually did the legwork i was gonna vote for nellie

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 6, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

eddie collins without question

wonder who chessfu will vote for….you stole his thunder hahahaha…he had a nice roll going

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Jan 6, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i kind of view these threads as a sanctuary of sorts

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 6, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

an ark during a flood even

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 7, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who voted for Orta?!?!

by oahu420 on Jan 7, 2009 1:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don Denkinger.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 6:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I went with Nellie despite EC's career...

only because I grew up watching him play.
So there.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 7:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nice.

“I like him, therefore he gets my vote.” Very discerning. And you are an example for our youth?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm an example of "post-youth"...

Damn kids; always on the lawn, always with the statistics.
It’ll be interesting to see Bally’s choice…

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where has Heinz gone?

Haven’t seen him as part of the CHESSFU posts. MM either. Was there an explosion in the trading pit one day?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's absolutely scandalous that this vote is tied.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

get off the lawn

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, scandalous is some of the HOF voting by REAL sportswriters.

This is just an internets poll for snicks and grins.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm certainly snickering and grinning at any dope who votes for fox over collins.

just like i’d do the same for the HOF vote.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't wait for CF's vote.

I’m voting for Erstad, since his style of play most resembles Nellie.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ken Berry... assuming he's on the list.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i very much enjoy

that this has come out because i’ve loved berating the statheads who complain about the irrational hatreds of the mainstread media about their own irrational hatreds.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2007/12/27/221136/64#top

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Last year looks a lot like 2003, except for the ridiculous BABIP in '08.

Looks like he had the kind of year some of us had hoped for in 2007.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's comparatively quite valuable if you play him in center.

the problem, of course, in 2007 was that the white sox already had someone who was comparatively quite valuable if you played him in center. and he was batted at the top of the order.

people often forget that erstad was a great, great defensive CF (and still is pretty darn good). i think this is lost because the angels had another guy who was a pretty good CF himself so erstad got moved around quite a bit early in his career (and showed he was a great defensive 1B, too, because of it). if erstad had stayed healthy with the angels and if they’d played him in center (yes, ’ifs’), he probably would have been worth that contract on his defense alone (not sure if that’s what the angels were thinking when they signed him to it, especially considering their eventual fetish for playing anderson in center, but, regardless, it wasn’t a terrible contract on its face – as seems to be the story of erstad’s career, it’s how managers chose to use him that was the problem).

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it makes me re-think my Erstad hatred.

i didn’t realize he was that good a fielder. 10 runs plus the position adjustment makes up for a lot of suck at the plate. too bad he can’t stay healthy.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 7, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as i said on that link over a year ago

if you use him properly as a bench player, especially in the NL, he’s very useful. plays plus defense at four positions, including a premium one. excellent guy to have come on late in games or get a spot start. just don’t let him face a lefty if you need offense and don’t bat him at the top of the order. and at 35 you should expect that plus defense to be disappearing soon. but a one year deal at what he’s being paid now and the past couple seasons? fine.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and, as is so often the case,

the hatred, if any, should be directed towards the person(s) who is mis-using a player, not the player himself.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we'll see if that can be a lesson learned.

can i hate jerry owens?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Jan 7, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

:-)

glad to serve a purpose!

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

never struck out more than 18 times in one season.

Thats the deciding factor for me.

Nellie Fox

"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.

by e-gus on Jan 7, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

eddie collins' 2.9% k rate (incomplete number, of course, due to the era) isn't exactly atrocious compared to fox' 2.3%

and collins crushes fox in nearly every other category.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Eddie Collins in 1925: 87 walks, 8 strikeouts.

1923: 84 walks, 8 K’s.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 7, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

aw hell

they threw the ball underhand in Collins day though.

wheres chessfu? i need him to help me break this tie.

"Grow up loser. Learn how to not to a prick." CHESSFU to Furby

by e-gus on Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they wuz pitchin' around him Gus.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wonder why they didn't pitch around nellie.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it doesn't matter. he was the 2B of my team, in my youth.

he has my vote.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I have to vote for Ron Hansen at SS and Pete Ward at 3B

if we use your logic.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm pissed that scott fletcher was not an option.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just had to look at his stats, and his keystone partner.

Ozzie in 1991 had 21 SB’s, 15 CS’s. I think we have found the culprit re: Che’/Uribe’s baserunning malaprops.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and you know why he had such a poor rate?

tim fuckin raines. that douchebag was always so worried about his “OBP” – whatever the fuck that is – that he’d lay off pitches when the hit and run was on and leave ozzie hung out to dry.

enjoy another year of disappointment, fucknut. ability to executie the hit and run is criteria #3 on the HOF ballot.

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL.

All the whining over Blyleven and not too many peeps about Raines. Oh, and Rickey (“I am the greatest…of all time”) will be named on 99% of the ballots. Not that Rickey shouldn’t be in, but fer Chrissakes, the
Rock should be a lock.

Stay off the blow, boys – it’ll keep you out of the Hall.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

SCOOTER!

by CatBrains on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Libby?

Why are we bringing politics into this?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yah scott fletcher was great

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 7, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who said anything about logic?

I gave my reason for the vote, didn’t try to argue it.
Maybe u-dog should just post the BEST team by position instead of making it multiple choice? Especially since some positions, like this one, are so obvious?

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but then where would the snicks and grins come from?

by larry on Jan 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

e-gus?

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah, you have to be a fan or a calm, objective analyst.

I had heard you were a cold, unfeeling person, Chi. But you really are quite…emotional…aren’t you?

(Apologies to Major Reisman. Do you know your “Dirty Dozen”?)

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean this description of SSS?

But along with these other results, it gives YOU just about the most twisted, anti-social bunch of psychopathic deformities I have ever run into! And the worst, the most dangerous of the bunch, is MarketMaker. You’ve got one religious maniac, one malignant dwarf, two near-idiots… and the rest I don’t even wanna think about!

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

u-dog?

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 7, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where's Getz?

I was in the shit too!

by thecip on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

more importantly

where’s lillibridge?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Where's Beeks? Where the hell is Beeks?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

more importantly

where’s Getz’ interview?

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm waiting for this too.

I was in the shit too!

by thecip on Jan 7, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how long will this be open u-god?

2 more days?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 7, 2009 5:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i was thinking til tomorrow afternoon

i don’t stop paying attention to the votes til the next post is up and i like to get a new one done on tuesdays, thursdays, and sundays. i’m just happy they’re starting to get a lot of votes and people are arguing in the posts.

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 7, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Impressive vote.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jan 7, 2009 6:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If this vote holds, I quit

taking anything – anything – seriously on this site. I mean, really.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

the site will be divided into gangs

the Lil Nels and the Cocky Collinses

SSS will never be the same

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 7, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's looking pretty grim, unfortunately.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 8, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So when it gets to be time for pitcher

is there anyway to make a poll that’s kind of like the HoF poll, as in you can vote for multiple players? because that’s the only way i can see starting pitching working

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 7, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

LHP, RHP, RP would be a good start.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 7, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

k

"So I feel since I’ve done what some of you are to chicken shit or just too, chicken shit to do."
by CHESSFU on Jan 6, 2009 5:00 PM PST

by U-God on Jan 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's doesn't say

much of anything good about the collective knowledge on this site that arguably the best second baseman in baseball history is currently losing to Nellie Fox.

The way this is going, I assume Jack McDowell will win the best starting pitcher category.

by dtv on Jan 7, 2009 10:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jan 7, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

look at the bright side

cheat can now sell ’i’m with stupid’ t-shirts

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm voting for Jim Parque

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 8, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I happen to agree with you.

I’m not sure why this survey’s current results serve as the motivation for registering on the site and making this your opening salvo. THAT is interesting to me.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 6:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ssh

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 8, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not enough swearing and personalizing.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've lurked off and on for years but forgot my login info

My motivation was simply too much free time this week, plus shock at the results. The reasoning behind the “Thome is not clutch” fanpost seems Nobel Prize worthy in comparison.

by dtv on Jan 8, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i can see why this would serve as your motivation.

the guy who would arguably be the 2B on an all-time baseball team (using jay jaffe’s jaws) is getting less votes than someone who arguably shouldn’t even be in the HOF. shock doesn’t begin to describe this. the ignorance of white sox history is beyond astonishing.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8375

by larry on Jan 8, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the ignorance of white sox history is beyond astonishing

I was going to say that’s a little over the top, but realized there’s nothing in your statement with which to argue. You wrote the truth. That said…
Who really gives a shit? For example, I don’t expect the PortSlut to have even heard of EC. It makes her no less of a Sox fan to be ignorant of him or that era.
Also, you could remove “white sox” from your statement, insert just about anything there, and still be accurate.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 8, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think anyone wrote anything about anyone being less of a sox fan.

it’s just quite silly to see this. as you said before, snicks and grins. i guess i would have thought by now people would be a bit more discerning than this.

and the reason i included “white sox” is because this is a white sox site.

by larry on Jan 8, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

otoh, if the PS didn't watch the WS....

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 8, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

she wouldn't be a baseball fan, not a sox fan.

by larry on Jan 8, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I still voted for Collins, Pahps. Since I haven't witnessed all the players in any of these categories (who has?), I have to base it on stats and stories. What put me over the edge on Collins, is his 1919 purity.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You are such a romantic.

The Marlboro Man is dead, kid. All we care about now are results, not “manly” things like honor, commitment, and courage.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, I have heard of him.

I own a deck of White Sox cards that feature players throughout all the ages.
:D

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 8, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

chiburb doesn't even know his own daughter.

by larry on Jan 8, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In what manner of speaking?

Do you not see how important “purity” is to her? Why do you think that is important?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes, I'm the one.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 8, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

joe morgan is the best second baseman in baseball history.

Be sure to ask him about it!!!

I was in the shit too!

by thecip on Jan 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So get a real job, loser.

;) (Since I post WAY too frequently. I have a great job.)

Thanks for the clarity. It’s good to see the initial foray being cogent and interesting. (I’m sure you have ruffled the feathers of those involved in the Thome-Clutch debate – it is a classic – but you can’t make an omelette…)

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe hes a breakfast chef

and makes a damn fine omelette.

im going on record as saying i voted for Nellie Fox 3 times to fuel controversy, and one dog better be on the CF list.

"Grow up loser. Learn how to not to a prick." CHESSFU to Furby

by e-gus on Jan 8, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what about

Joe Morgan?

"Grow up loser. Learn how to not to a prick." CHESSFU to Furby

by e-gus on Jan 8, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you happen to look 3 comments above?

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what about

rogers hornsby?

by larry on Jan 8, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

touche'.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is SSS the latest victim of Illinois corruption?

128 total votes? Are there 128 members of this site?
Or are the Nellie’s stuffin’ the ballot-box?

by oahu420 on Jan 8, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Pikers.

11/21/08 Viciedo poll: 693 votes. No one cares from history.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 8, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a better question

what ISNT corrupt in Illinois?

"Grow up loser. Learn how to not to a prick." CHESSFU to Furby

by e-gus on Jan 8, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by oahu420 on Jan 8, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

oops

Ma-bad

by oahu420 on Jan 8, 2009 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

The thing that strikes me about this poll

is its exemplification of the way truly elite players slip out of the consciousness of baseball fans. Collins should be a true immortal. As Bill James pointed out in his Historical Abstract, Collins Morgan and Hornsby are clustered at the top of the list of all time second basemen and remain head and shoulders above everyone else.
In my experience, fans tend to remember and probably overstate the greatness of the players of their youth (Harold Baines in right field in my case) and acquire a working familiarity with the players of the preceding generation through fathers, uncles etc… I know I heard a lot of talk about Fox, Minoso and Gary Peters but nothing about Hall of Famers like Ed Walsh or Ted Lyons. If I have kids, I’m sure they’ll be bored to tears with my comparisons to Fisk, Baines and Frank Thomas, but my guess is the most they’ll know about Minnie Minoso is that his number is on the wall.
Other than larger than life characters who make fitting subjects for movies, elite players just fade from consciousness. Since Collins didn’t throw a World Series and didn’t have a larger than life personaility he just became a name. With longer life spans, pervasive video and later child bearing maybe the process will be delayed, but it’s sad to think of Walter Payton eventually going the way of Eddie Collins.

by dtv on Jan 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

i voted forte

cuz i liked him.

by Hatchetm on Jan 9, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"it’s sad to think of Walter Payton eventually going the way of Eddie Collins"

Ain’t gonna happen. Too much video of him in action, unlike Collins.
Out of sight, out of mind. But I agree with much of what you wrote.

"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger

by Chiburb on Jan 9, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also, people give way more of a shit about football these days.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Give it 80 years.

No one cares. Except for World Shakers. Sammy Baugh just died and not too many people mourned.

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just see football becoming more and more of "America's pasttime" as the years go on and attention spans shorten and minds become duller.

I enjoy watching from time to time, but the culture/media surrounding the sport sickens me and speaks to the larger dumbing of this country, IMO.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

/runs and hides

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 9, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You, missy, are going straight to Hell.

In my day… (cough, wheeze, spit)…

I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

by winningugly on Jan 9, 2009 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Golly, I hope so. I'll meet ya at the bar when I get there.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Jan 9, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

THis is odd

I had an argument about greatest second baseman of all time the other day with a royals fan buddy of mine. I argued Hornsby, he argued Collins. I am going to have to chalk Fox’s current lead up to nostalgia, because eddie collins was an amazing player. not quite as good as ornsby, but Fox shouldn’t sniff Collins here. I blame the OPOS’s. FWIW, Ray Durham was my favorite player as kid, because my first name is also Ray. BUt Doesn’t mean I’m not voting for Collins.

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Jan 9, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs