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White Sox Minor League Update: Round Up the Usual Suspects

Deadhorse_tiny by larry on Comment 185 comments

No one bothered to post their own prospect list in response to mine.  Perhaps it was neglect.  Perhaps it was fear.  Either way, you can participate in sister site Minor League Ball's community list for the White Sox here.

The Arizona Fall League starts Tuesday October 13.  You can follow the league on Twitter here.  We'll have daily updates on the White Sox players who are participating (roster here).  Also we'll have infrequent updates on the other fall/winter leagues, along with the usual smattering random news and reports.

SouthSideSox is a community driven site. As such, users are able to express their thoughts and opinions in a FanPost, such as this one, which represents the views of this particular fan, but not necessarily the entire community or SouthSideSox editors.

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you da man

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 11, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

you didn’t exactly solicit opinions.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 11, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

didn't realize i needed to solicit.

i thought the fact that this site has a comment function was clue enough.

by larry on Oct 11, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have no opinions. Baa, baa.

Ask PTC.

I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll

by winningugly on Oct 11, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but

since you are larry most folks just figure you’re not interested in their opinions.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 11, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not.

but posters on this site seem to talk to one another about things sometimes. even when i’m not around to tell them what to think.

by larry on Oct 11, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what should we do now?

"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"

by Brush Back on Oct 11, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

participate in sister site Minor League Ball’s community list for the White Sox here.

by larry on Oct 11, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got comments.

specifically formatted comments require solicitation/direction.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Oct 11, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mick's 10

1. Flowers
2. Morel
3. Mitchell
4. Hudson
5. Viciedo
6. Retherford
7. Ely
8. Danks
9. Remenowsky
10. Hynick

If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra

by mick10 on Oct 11, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

how in the world is Morel number 2?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Oct 11, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The scouting reports I've read on him have all been very good.

He’s got an above average glove, good speed and baserunning, has shown some power and has always hit for a high average. Feel free to drop him down in your list.

If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra

by mick10 on Oct 11, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've noticed a significant divergence of opinion on them.

hudson because he’s essentially come out of nowhere and flowers because his ability to play catcher is still questioned by some. most of the major listmakers haven’t tipped their hands but i’d say they’d both be around 50, but with some placing one or both a lot higher or lower.

by larry on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh by the way

lar I always appreciate a Casblanca reference. One of my favorites. Just watched it again about a month ago.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much worse than Tombstone

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 14, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what I put on MiLB

Hudson – I’ve heard if he can develop a cutter, he may be a number one, but he’s fine where he is

Danks – dissapointing second half due to injuries. Best case scenario: corner outfielder if he fills out his frame

Flowers – (his bat actually kinda dissapointed me in September, but again it was only September)

Mitchell – still needs plenty of time to develop tools, future leadoff center fielder

Viciedo – future first baseman, give him some more time

aaaaaaaaaaand

Jef-
Jeffer-
Jeffery Mar-
Ok not him

by blackoutsox on Oct 11, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why the parentheses?

Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.

by BoeJouma on Oct 12, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my list.

1. Hudson
2. Flowers
3. Mitchell
4. Viciedo
5. Danks
6. Thompson
7. Morel
8. Baines Jr.
9. Nunez
10. Torres

(do the last 2 still count? what are the rules on this?)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they're still rookie eligible

less than 50 IP or 130 AB or 45 days on the active roster (excluding sept. and DL time).

by larry on Oct 12, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listy List

1. Hudson
2. Flowers
3. Mitchell
4. Danks
5. Morel
6. Viciendo
7. Thompson
8. Torres
9. Nunez
10. Gilmore

Good Guys Don't use the reply button

by stanleygoober on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

needs more n

i think its like nvnincninenndnon

Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.

by BoeJouma on Oct 12, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My list

1. Flowers – upside of average defensive catcher and plus offensive catcher = right-handed Brian McCann. IMO that is more valuable than any pitcher short of a true ace (Greinke, Sabathia, Halladay, Santana etc.). Probably equal uncertainty as to whether Hudson or Flowers gets to their upside (Flowers K% and Hudson is a pitcher (TINSTAAPP and all). It’s close but I go with Flowers. I’d prefer for him to start the year at AAA, to get more reps at C.

2. Hudson – Starts off in bullpen, should transition to starter when Freddy Garcia goes down
3. Mitchell – leadoff hitter mentality, eye and speed, + CF defense. Might develop power. Needs reps.
4. Danks- Did wrist injury tank his 2nd half? Back to AA to find out.
5.Viciedo – Still only 20 y.o. Some 2nd half improvement. Needs to step it up

6. Morel
7. CJ Retherford
8. Ely
9. Marrero – same age as Danks and better stats at the same level. Danks rates higher based on tools and abilty to play CF. He ahould make it to AAA next year. Needs to work on his BB rate.
10. Miguel Gonzalez- larry’s fave, but I’m gonna rate him higher than larry. 18 yo in a position of scarcity. Hopefully he’ll get a shot at Kanny sometime next year.
11. Santos Rodriguez – Insane K rates, big FB, lefty, long long way from MLB but probably the highest upside arm in the system
12. Holmberg

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What did you make of Flowers' ZiPS projection?

Was I wrong to expect more from his projection? I thought he’d be a lot closer to a league average bat than he actually was…

by CWSKeith on Oct 12, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ZiPS is worried about Flowers for 2010 as a major leaguer for a couple of reasons:

- Catchers tend to develop quite erratically as hitters and are far more likely to regress offensively than players at any other position. Downside pulls down the expectation.

- A fair chunk of Flowers production was a result of extremely high BABIP (strikeouts are a related issue). He was above .390 in both AA and AAA.

--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com

by D.Szymborski on Oct 13, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't

know you read SSS. Always good to have ZiPS creator stop by. CWS, I would add that my statement of “plus offensive catcher” as an upside was based on more like 2012 than 2010.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lurk on most of the SBN blogs. They’re kind of a replacement for usenet for me as that hallowed institution winds itself down. I don’t participate as often in the blogs as I would like due to having to keep an eye on another website.

--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com

by D.Szymborski on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agree on the upside.

as i asserted on the september callups post about flowers, i think he’ll have some initial trouble adjusting to the majors.

by larry on Oct 14, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask and ye shall receive, Keith!

thanks for the info, Dan. ZiPS are the shit.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Oct 13, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

betemit gone
Chicago White Sox
Signed: RHP Jacob Marceaux (re-signed), LHP Wander Perez (re-signed)
Granted free agency: 1B Wilson Betemit
Recalled: RHP Lucas Harrell, RHP Jon Link, RHP Jeff Marquez, RHP Clevelan Santeliz, C Cole Armstrong, 3B Dayan Viciedo
Outrighted to Triple-A and removed from 40-man: OF Dewayne Wise

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6794

by larry on Oct 12, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that cocksucker was still in the organization?

FUCK!

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 16, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine's similar to bhoov

1. Flowers – (same reasoning as bhoov)
2. Hudson – jumps to 1st if/when he learns a cutter, assuming it’s a useful pitch for him
3. Danks – I think his drop in performance was primarily due to injury not due to regression to any sort of mean
4. Mitchell – Playing only baseball hopefully will help since he is still pretty raw
5. Viciedo – I liked the upward trend of his stats during the season before crapping the bed at the end. Hopefully that was due to fatigue and hopefully he learns some strike zone judgement
6. Morel
7. Retherford
8. Marrero
9. Ely – Need his SO/BB ratio to stop dropping
10. Gonzalez
11. Nunez

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Javelinas’ roster lists five pitchers from the Sox’s organization, and Sergio Santos is an interesting study. Santos, 26, was the 27th overall pick in the 2002 draft out of Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana, Calif., where he was one of the top infielders in the nation.

The Arizona Diamondbacks shooed him away from USC with a healthy bonus, but Santos didn’t develop into a consistent hitter with the Diamondbacks and Blue Jays. He was one of the first spring cuts of the Sox, who traded him to San Francisco but later reacquired him and converted him to pitch.

Although Santos’ combined statistics at four levels were 0-3 with an 8.16 ERA in 26 relief appearances, Santos stuck out 30 in 28 2/3 innings. A strong AFL could actually help Santos’ chances with the Sox, or another team if he’s not placed on the 40-man roster on Nov. 20.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/10/arizona-fall-league-starts-tuesday-important-showcase-for-white-soxs-dayan-viciedo-and-jordan-danks.html

by larry on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Productive outs FTW.

I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll

by winningugly on Oct 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dayan Viciedo smoked the third pitch he saw in the Arizona Fall League to the front of the right-field warning track for a sacrifice fly that gave his Peoria Javelinas a 1-0 lead over the Surprise Rafters on Tuesday.

But that was about the last good thing to happen to the Javelinas, who succumbed 17-4 on AFL opening day in Peoria.

Viciedo, a third baseman who is one of the White Sox’s top prospects, drove a 1-1 pitch from the Yankees’ Ian Kennedy for his RBI. But Viciedo did nothing after that. Kennedy struck him out swinging on four pitches in the fourth, and Viciedo tapped out to second in the sixth and fouled out to the catcher in the eighth against relievers.

In all, Viciedo went 0-for-3 with a strikeout and an RBI. He saw only 11 pitches in four plate appearances.

Sometimes criticized for his defense, Viciedo look solid at third. He charged a slow roller and threw on the run to nab Yankees catcher Austin Romine in the second. The next inning he threw out Cardinals DH Bryan Anderson despite slightly bobbling a ball hit to his left, and he backhanded a ball and started a 5-4-3 double play on Yankees third baseman Brandon Laird in the ninth.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-viciedo-afl,0,3678581.story

by larry on Oct 14, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian Kennedy still supposed to be good? Or 4 A player

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 14, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow Start?

It’s 0 for fucking 3.

http://twitter.com/FutureSox

by The Big Hurt on Oct 14, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah

but he’s “one of the top prospects” so anything less than 4-3 would be a slow start…yes, 4-3

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Oct 14, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer OPSing 5000 myself

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greenie (Florida)

T/F: Daniel Hudson’s 2009: lucky run for a guy who maxes out as a 4th starter.

Jim Callis(3:01 PM)

A little harsh, but closer to the truth than looking at his minor league numbers and envisioning a frontline starter.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/espn-chat/2009/268994.html

by larry on Oct 14, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cassel 3 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP

retherford 1-4, 3B
danks 0-3, HBP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_10_14_perwin_surwin_1

by larry on Oct 14, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Chicago White Sox
Signed: RHP Ryan Braun (re-signed), OF Miguel Negron (re-signed)
Released: C Shaydron Buckridge, SS Andy Cannizaro
Granted free agency: OF Dewayne Wise
Assigned to Arizona Fall League: RHP Justin Cassel, RHP Matt Long, RHP Henry Mabee, RHP Jacob Rasner, 2B C.J. Retherford, 3B Dayan Viciedo, OF Jordan Danks

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6833

by larry on Oct 15, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wise a FA?

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What will Thursdays become? Who will play the last inning of perfect games? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll

by winningugly on Oct 15, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Braun eh?

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 16, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

negron

the new wise.

by Hatchetm on Oct 16, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Lar, or anyone....

Who would you take at their respective peaks….Fautino de los Santos or Hudson….in other words, prior to the former’s injury?

by dantesox on Oct 16, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hudsons injured?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he would be the latter

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Oct 16, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would be the whooshed.

I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

somehow i doubt that

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Oct 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoosh

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 17, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

attendance: 255

Good seats available.

If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra

by mick10 on Oct 17, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Viciedo's en fuego the first 2 games.

Great, we’ve got a Latin BA who is a God in AZ.

I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll

by winningugly on Oct 17, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade places!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Oct 17, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably a good chance Viciedo has a very good AFL campaign

and puts goo gobs of expectations on him again next spring.
I know there is still plenty of time in the off season but assuming KW does acquire a player this fall in trade who is the most likely good prospect (i know slim pickens) that KW moves?

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Oct 17, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So do they pitch off mounds in the AFL

or just off flat ground like in softball. Impressive offensive displays

by 3E8 on Oct 18, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

environment and talent disparity

There are plenty of top offensive prospects there, but only a select few pitchers exposed to the extra length season (almost all of the good ones are coming off of shortened minor league seasons)

Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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by The Cheat on Oct 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cj 0-2, BB
danks 1-1, HR, BB
viciedo 1-5

rasner 1 IP, 2 H, 0 BB, 0 K

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_10_19_perwin_msswin_1

by larry on Oct 19, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh. the larry plan.

well, as soon as i figure out how to justify as reasonable trading bobby jenks and aj pierzynski for carl crawford and gregg zaun i’ll post it.

by larry on Oct 19, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ is poised to win the batting title

Just makes so much sense

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 19, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Request for larry plan link

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found it

Grudzielanek retire? Or just didn’t want to play for less than 4 million?

"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith

by Carbiner on Oct 19, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

danks 2-4, 2B, 2 BB

long 2.1, 2 H, 0 BB, 4 K
cassel 2.2 IP, 7 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 WP
santos 1 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 1 K

http://www.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_10_20_msswin_perwin_1

by larry on Oct 20, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

C.J. Retherford, 2B, White Sox (AFL), 2-for-4, 2 RBI: Retherford was undrafted out of college, but he’s a career .301/.354/.500 hitter in the minors who will be at Triple-A next year. Nothing about him is pretty, other than the stat lines.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

by larry on Oct 22, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what - can he fight? I bet he can.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's got no chance.

just went yard against strasburg. he feeds on substandard pitching.

by larry on Oct 22, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

that’s pretty encouraging if it was off the fastball. he did give up two others to two RHB nonspects too, though.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Oct 22, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VWL update

santeliz 9.2 IP, 4 H, 1 BB, 12 K
link 7.2 IP, 5 H, 7 BB, 8 K

that control is still looking good for santeliz

by larry on Oct 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Link: Not so much.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keeps putting up zeroes

Clevelan Santeliz, RHP, White Sox (VEN: Magallanes)
Yesterday’s stats: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K

In five appearances for the Navegantes, Santeliz has struck out 12 over 9.2 scoreless innings while allowing just four hits and a walk. Scoreless innings are really nothing new for Santeliz, as the 23-year-old had a 0.96 ERA in 40 games for Double-A Birmingham this year, including a 20-game scoreless streak during the second half of the season. His stuff is just as impressive; with a 93-96 mph fastball and plus slider, he just needs to throw more strikes to punch a ticket to the big leagues.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

by larry on Oct 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do I think he'll be traded for a vet?

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

becaues Brandon Allen sucks

Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok

by blackoutsox on Oct 23, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cj 0-4, BB
danks 2-4, 2B, BB

santos 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 1 IBB, 2 K, 1 WP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_10_23_perwin_scowin_1

by larry on Oct 24, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Viciedo

hasn’t played in a long time. I’m thinking he must be injured.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danks - star will never shine
Jordan Danks, CF, White Sox (AFL: Peoria Javelinas)
Danks was one of the talks of the Carolina League during the first month of the year when he hit .322/.409/.525 for High-A Winston-Salem, but the second half of the season dimmed his star a bit, as his numbers dropped to .243/.337/.356 at Double-A Birmingham. He remains an impressive physical specimen, but if you take into account his entire playing career, including his high school and college play, more often than not he’s been a bit of a disappointment. A .424/.513/.697 showing in Arizona is helping spruce his prospect rep back up a bit, but he’s still 23 and just getting his first taste of success against upper-level competition. Even scouts who really like him don’t project him as a star.

by hoodlight on Oct 27, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then fuck him.

We only want stars. Anyone who can hit > .300 with a .380 OBP and .500+ slg is persona non-grata on this team. Look at James’ projections.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 27, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right size, wrong shape

“Anyone who can can’t hit > .300 with a .380 OBP…”

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Oct 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

danks 2-3, 2 BB
cj 2-5
morel 1-4, SF

santos 1 IP, 2 H, 2 H, 3 K, 1 WP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_10_27_perwin_scowin_1

by larry on Oct 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Morel making the most of the spotlight, I see.

Fucker. Making you look like a bag of dicks, larry.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 28, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this comment is awesome.

...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT

by rhythm on Oct 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danks now at

.429/.538/.643. OPS of 1.181. 3rd in AFL in BA, 2nd in OBP, 5th in OPS. I think if he winds up top 10 in OPS in the league he buys himself a ticket to Charlotte to start the year. Maybe it was all the wrist. Charlotte would actually be pretty interesting this year if that comes to pass. Flowers, Danks and CJ.

I’m interested to see how they handle Viciedo/Morel. Viciedo doesn’t seem ready for AAA and Morel seems ready for AA. I guess if Morel tanks in AFL you send him back to high A and Viciedo to AA hope they both dominate for a month and get promoted.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Position players, pitchers, or both?

From Cheat’s post above

There are plenty of top offensive prospects there, but only a select few pitchers exposed to the extra length season (almost all of the good ones are coming off of shortened minor league seasons)
I can see why hitting is inflated. I’d think if a pitcher actually makes a good impression how that might be seen as a greater positive, since there seems to be a dearth of good pitching performances.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 29, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's much more a "scouting" league than a "performance" league.

and look at the absolute horseshit the white sox sent to pitch there. if any of those guys ever pitch in the majors it will be a minor miracle. overall, the pitching talent is the worst i can recall for quite a few years.

by larry on Oct 29, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like it is incumbent for Morel to adjust quickly, then.

If he slumps it won’t raise the confidence level of the organization if teh pitching is that bad.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 29, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should

may be your opinion. I don’t agree with your opinion. Guys that are at the extremes of performance it can play a role in where they go. Especially someone with an injury history that may explain a poor performance (Danks). Certainly a very bad performance coming off a borderline performance (Morel potentially) could also be a factor in where someone starts the year.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Oct 29, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Viciedo will be in AA to start next year?

I would imagine he’d move to first base if he and Morel are both there, right?

by chisox2691 on Oct 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/10/9/1056955/the-official-sss-top-ten-white-sox#storyjump

they could move morel, too. positional flexibility will be important for him long-term.

by larry on Oct 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

Morel is not a good example of what I am talking about. The point is that performances on either extreme in the AFL can affect your assingment the following year. Are their caveats? sure. This is probably only relevant to a small number of prospects and said prospect probably would need to back that performance up with a good spring training performance. If you have a prospect coming off a bad performance that the team feels is injury related and they dominate in the AFL (when presumably healthy) then that may factor into their assingment the following year.

 Danks recent cooling off in the AFL may have removed him from this category. A more germane example may be Grant Desme. Someone who dominated high A, is dominating AFL, was a bit old for his level and had an injury history. Someone like that may skip a level, with his AFL performance playing a part in such a decision. To say that “nothing that occurs in the AFL should have any effect on where someone plays” is such an absolute that it seems rather ridiculous coming from a typically reasoned observer such as yourself.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the player with the most PAs in the AFL typically is somewhere around 130 PAs. the top pitchers is around 30 IP.

if you’re letting 130 PAs or 30 IP dictate decisions on level, you’re doing it wrong. and it’s unlikely white sox players will be leading the league.

by larry on Nov 12, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see

how you would think that was my position given my original post. “Buying himself a ticket to Charlotte” was some combination of hyperbole and exuberance. I actually agree that someone shouldn’t be promoted strictly on the basis of the AFL. I just think that an extremely good performance can occasionally play a role in the following year’s assignment. But it’s just another data point.

If Desme (or whoever) goes to spring training and posts a 40% K rate then I wouldn’t aggresively promote him. If someone posted a .650 OPS in AA without a potential injury explanation then it wouldn’t matter what that person did in the AFL (or spring training), they’re going back to AA. Given that Danks total AFL performance now falls short of “domination” I would send him back to AA.

Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.

by bhoov on Nov 12, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Minor League Transactions
Chicago White Sox
Released: RHP James Albury, RHP Jarrett Coker, RHP Brent DeFoor, RHP Joucer Martinez, 2B C.J. Lang, OF Johny Celis
Assigned to Arizona Fall League: RHP Sergio Santos

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=6878

by larry on Oct 29, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

at the 2B CJ part, I thought wtf?

but it was just lang

Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok

by blackoutsox on Oct 29, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who needs Eckstein?
Only lightly recruited out of high school, Retherford spent two years at a junior college before landing a spot as a utility player at Arizona State. He never became a regular, and his numbers were underwhelming. The size of his heart wasn’t. “I don’t fit the typical image of a ballplayer,” said Retherford, 24. “But I was always taught to have a work ethic and play the game hard for all nine innings.”

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 29, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CJ never handled the spotlight well.

Too much heart.

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 29, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See my previous post.

Heart is exploding in his chest. Calm down, CJ…

CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan

by winningugly on Oct 31, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the AFL is a hitter’s league, but White Sox outfielder Jordan Danks is batting .388/.508/.571 through 14 games. Reality or chimera?

      Cliff Jordan
      Chicago

I believe this is the first time the word “chimera” has appeared in Ask BA. Well played, Cliff.

I often say that people shouldn’t read too much into AFL stats, as I just did in the previous answer. The conditions favor hitters, there are few quality pitching prospects and a lot of the players are worn out after the long minor league season. Just glance at the AFL record book, and you’ll see that Ken Harvey holds the league records for batting (.479), slugging (.752) and on-base percentage (.537); Brandon Wood owns the mark for homers (14); and Orlando Miller set the standard for RBIs (44).

Danks is what he is. Though he’s 6-foot-4 and 210 pounds, he never has grown into the power scouts projected he would when he was a potential first-round pick as a high schooler. He hit 13 homers in three seasons at the University of Texas, and he has slugged .425 in pro ball. He’s 23 now, and he’s not going to have average power. So those AFL power numbers are a chimera.

That said, Danks can be a solid regular. He has the bat speed and swing to hit for average, and he draws enough walks to post a solid OBP. He runs well enough to steal a few bases and play center field, and he has enough arm to move to right field if he loses a step.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ask-ba/2009/269099.html

by larry on Nov 2, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

random comparison

von hayes? just popped into my head after reading that.

by Ryno on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch out, Walk,

Gary Ward is the up-and-coming hitting instructor.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you were changing these out every week.

10/11. Fer Chrissakes, larry, how can we get through all this stuff?

Heh.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jordan Danks, CF, White Sox (AFL), 2-for-5, 2B, 2 R RBI, K: He has a .389/.500/.574 line in 15 games for the Javelinas, a much-needed bounce back after a disappointing showing at Double-A.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/minorleagueupdate/

by larry on Nov 3, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Jordan Danks, OF, Chicago AL
The key with the AFL is too not get too excited with the batting average or how many homers a player hits. Most players are there for extra work, which likely means there is something that they need to improve upon. Danks is a perfect example of that… He was off to an excellent season in ‘09 before fading at double-A in the second half. His raw power does not play well in games, in terms of home run power, and he hit just nine homers this past year in just over 400 at-bats. As a result, his strikeout rate of 26.0% is rather high. Danks has made nice strides in the AFL by striking out just 10 times in 58 at-bats. Even better, he’s walk 12 times. If he can keep that up, it will significantly improve his other numbers, which will then make him a more valuable addition to your fantasy squads.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/arizona-fall-league-update-2

by larry on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you would think the wrist injury

would merit a mention in these various prognostications.

by Hatchetm on Nov 4, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's CJ?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You said it.

I want that club-footed heart-bigger-than-the all-of-outdoors mascot ridden like a pack mule.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

danks 0-5
morel 1-3, BB
cj 0-4

cassel 3 IP, 5 H, 1 BB, 3 K
rasner 1 IP, 3 H, 0 BB, 0 K
bellamy 1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 2 K

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_11_05_perwin_msswin_1

by larry on Nov 5, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We fucking sucked this game.

Come on, BM!

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

danks 0-3. 2 BB
morel 3-3, SF

rasner 1 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 1 K
bellamy 0.2 IP, 1 H, 2 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_11_10_peswin_perwin_1

by larry on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

sickels on danks
I liked his athleticism a lot….fast, looks wiry strong. His swing looked slow and long in the two games I saw him play, and he was having trouble with pitches inside, which may have been an issue in Double-A. Scouts were mixed about him, some like him a lot, others think he’ll continue to struggle against better pitching.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/11/11/1126376/arizona-fall-league-q-a-thread#24956421

by larry on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

"Wiry strong"

sound like Barney Fife. The swing assessment is no news – however, I’ve not seen an assessment of whether or not it can be addressed by someone who knows how to teach. Is this a fundamental flaw that will keep him a post-injured Baldelli-type guy as far as hitting goes (i.e. weak)?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 12, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bat speed is something that can't really be "taught"

swing mechanics can be improved some. i haven’t seen enough of him to conclude anything.

by larry on Nov 13, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ty.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"sounds". I give up.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 12, 2009 1:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Prospect Alert:

Goldstein over at Baseball Prospectus does the Sox Top 11 and more tomorrow.

by dantesox on Nov 12, 2009 2:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

1-3, 2 BB, SB
morel 3-5, CS
cj 1-4

cassel 0.2 IP, 2 H, 4 BB, 0 K

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_11_12_perwin_surwin_1

by larry on Nov 12, 2009 5:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

With Morel slotted for Birminham next year, will Viciedo go to Charlotte?

Or do you think he repeats AA as a first baseman?

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 12, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

viciedo to charlotte strikes me as a bad idea.

may be more likely that morel gets moved around. positional flexibility is important for a guy like him. i would give up on the viciedo at third experiment but, if you believe KW, the organization hasn’t.

by larry on Nov 12, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that would make the most sense for Morel's development.

It will be an interesting decision though with the team’s needs beyond 2010. We already have CJ, Nix and Teahen that fit the utility role fairly well but we have holes at 3b and 1b, once Konerko is gone. It would be great for the sox if both pan out.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 13, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

danks the first one?

id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.

-BoeJouma

by blackoutsox on Nov 12, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

danks 1-5, CS
morel 0-3, BB

bellamy 1 IP, 0 H, 1 BB, 2 K
santos 1 IP, 0 H, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 WP, 1 HBP

http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=l119&t=g_box&gid=2009_11_13_surwin_perwin_1

by larry on Nov 13, 2009 5:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

kiss of death
Brent Morel has shot past Dayan Viciedo as the #WhiteSox’s future 3B. He joined the AFL in progress and still is hitting .372 in 12 games.

http://twitter.com/ChiTribRogers/status/5695538312

by larry on Nov 13, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Like the "vote of confidence".

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Danks geting fluffed for a trade?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 13, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sign Johnny first

id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.

-BoeJouma

by blackoutsox on Nov 13, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

scottsdale's loss last night mean the javelinas win their division

so you’ll be able to see the white sox’ prospects play in the championship game next saturday november 21 on mlb network.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091113&content_id=7664054&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

by larry on Nov 14, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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