Save FNS: Another Victim of Unquestionably Incorrect Umpiring
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT
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The post-season umpiring controversy continued last night in the Yankees/Angels ALCS Game 4.
Yankees took a 3-1 series lead in a 10-1 blowout behind the superb pitching of CC Behemothia.
But once again, the Angels fans' focus is on the umps, despite the fact that the blown calls had little affect on the outcome of the game.
I sympathize with the Angels fans because it sure sucks to have umps make blatantly incorrect calls based on "heart" rather than "eyes."
But imagine how that poor ump felt, expected to call a game flawlessly while standing in the distracting presence of guys like Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, and Nick Swisher. That is a whole lot of powerful, encompassing aura coming at you.
Plus, it's not easy calling two Yankees out at the same time. I can imagine the ump felt like he would be betraying God, in a way.
Let's face it - not all questionable calls in the post-season can be as fun as AJ's run to first on the dropped third-strike, after Doug Eddings called him out (and boy, was that a good time for everyone, as far as I can remember).....
So, when you aren't doing Zapruder-like analysis on the trajectory of saliva passing Mariano Rivera's lips, and you're bored with F-ingNS, and happen to sometimes forget that another league even exists in baseball (Phils also lead 3-1, by the way).....
Where do you stand with the idea of instant replays in baseball?
This tired topic gets rehashed every year, but this post-season seems to be especially riddled with blown calls.
Boogie on down with this fancy poll and talk amongst yourselves.
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this steve phillips affair thing is great
in case you haven’t seen it:
http://deadspin.com/5386543/steve-phillips-suspended-after-affair-with-espn-employee
the letter is pretty good.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh wow...that IS good. She writes pretty well for being the chick Steve Phillips fucks in parked cars.
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes...is Mrs. Phillips a beast?
Brooke is a little “thick.”
A hooker would have been a lot cheaper all around.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Oct 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no shit
Not only was Phillips a dipshit GM, he doesn’t even know how to cheat on his wife correctly.
I’ll lay it out in easy to follow steps:
1) if you think it is necessary to cheat on someone, just dump them and make it easier on everyone involved.
See how easy that is?
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then she gets half.
easier to just keep the woman who consistently (you like that joe?) lets you get away with cheating.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
BWAHAHAHAHA
If Joe didn’t like it, I sure did.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Lord, even Bill Clinton did better than Steve-O.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something wrong with parked cars?
I mean, moving cars can be exciting too, but the risk factor is a bit high for me, having read a lot of John Irving.
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoping for a 'stump the schwab' story later.
"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"
by thecip on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is fantastic.
Is he a large enough media presence (think Pat O’B.) to go into rehab, then come out and guest on Dr. Phil?
I love this stuff.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marv Albert rebounded nicely.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a different era. And no one wanted to talk about his penchant for biting -
too weird. And he laid out for awhile. Harold Reynolds paid his penance and he’s back, albeit via a lower profile job. I just like the process.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!! And it Counts!!!
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat O'Brien also had a series of hilarious voicemail messages
by 67WMAQ on Oct 21, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah.
Howard Stern made great hay of it.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
instant replay isn't the answer. total waste of time.
there’s technology available – similar to what is used in tennis, among other sports – that would essentially replace umpires.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Slim chance that MLB would ever replace umps entirely, it seems. Unless you've read that this is a consideration seriously being tossed around...
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be quite surprised if they didn't implement something that at least partially replaces them within the next decade.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
And the choices don’t include “how” it would be used. I don’t think it should be used all the time, or only for home runs, or only in the post-season, but there has to be a use for existing tech to improve these calls.
Re: last night’s calls: As the Sex Pistols said in 1977, “IT’S AN ABORTION!”
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's just embarassing.
i’d expect serious movement on the issue after selig goes off into the sunset after finalizing the next CBA prior to the 2012 season.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replay is a waste of time. I happen to like the idea of an ump making a human call in the heat of the moment. It makes the experience seem more real.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 21, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it a waste of time mate
it’s been very successful in some sports, notably Rugby League, I think people have a misconception as to how it will affect the game without actually seeing it in action.
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why stop the game constantly to fix an error
when you can simply replace the error-prone umpire with a system that will do the job properly the first time. waste of time.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think they will apply technology
to ball/strike calls as well?
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should
but i think it’s more likely that you’ll first see it applied to the sort of calls we saw yesterday and throughout the playoffs – is a ball fair or foul, did a guy leave early, was a guy tagged out before he reached the bag, etc. practically, baseball isn’t going to get rid of all umpires immediately and, obviously, you can’t get rid of all of them because there are things that need to be enforced which “technology” isn’t going to be able to do. leaving a couple umpires on the field, including one at home plate where most of the action occurs, makes sense.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look foward to this type of progress
and can’t wait to see what kind of cheating goes on to take advantage of the situation.
I’m completely serious in writing that watching players screwing with base or glove sensors to gain an edge will be much more fun than all of this PED crap.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like it wouldn't make much sense to do that
considering messing with it is probably about as likely to make a call go against you as it is to help you. and that’s assuming you aren’t caught doing so.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a reasoned argument, but I don't see all ball players as being markedly reasonable individuals
Someone will try and it will backfire. I want to see the train wreck, dammit!
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think any of this when it comes
will be based on any sensor that the players have any physical contact with. It will be done in the virtual sphere.
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for also pissing in my Cheerios.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till you see what I did to your Pot Roast....
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No expert on this
But it seems like a computer system would necessarily have to make arbitrary strike zone distinctions (different physiology of players and whatnot). And seeing as how umpires are actually astoundingly good at calling balls and strikes (> 95% agreement with tracking systems), I wonder if it would really be worth the trouble to implement a system like that.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Oct 21, 2009 6:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sold on balls and strikes being called.
but i’m pretty sure a computer system would be better than the 95% the umpires get right. if you care enough about accuracy, the umpires shouldn’t be doing it.
by larry on Oct 22, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah im with lar
all they need is two umps, on that is video savvy and can check the tape, on on the field that can make the call “Out!”, “Safe!”, “fair ball!”, etc.
maybe a third guy that radios balls and strikes to the ump as well.
In Minnesota, when 11,000 people are in the Dome, you feel like you are at an especially depressing demolition derby. -Joe Posnanski
by e-gus on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they need a crew to break up the fights when we get into another beaning war with KC
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im with this
so will this mean no more manager arguments or ejections?
Keep the umps
Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok
by blackoutsox on Oct 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's using instant replay
i think he’s talking about more advanced tech than tape
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a fourth guy, just in case Reggie Jackson decides that he. must kill. the queen.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Oct 21, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're always gonna need umpires
but the technology would be good for calling a strike zone, can’t imagine that would be too hard. and they already use IR for ’ is it a home run or foul ’.
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every batter has a different strike zone.
seems like it would be kind of hard to me.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it can be done if you have some sort of sensor in in the player's jersey (which take some guesswork out of the HBP as well)
not sure if that would ever fly
Otherwise, you could use the listed dimensions of the player since they’re measured / weighed in at the beginning of the season and the batting order is submitted to the umpire anyways.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would you need a sensor?
i’m no technology geek and i know that technology is available that can figure out how tall a person is.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you wouldn't, but I want to make sensors for baseball uniforms
It’ll be my racket. I can give you a kickback if you agree to endorse the technology ;)
Butt seriously, it was the first thing that popped in my head. Haste makes waste…of our collective time, I suppose
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the strike zone
is based on a players stance at the plate, not on their height.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct, but its both.
I’m 6 fooot, lets say you’re 6’ 6". If we both rock the Frank Thomas stance, our strike zones are still different.
by coffeepac on Oct 21, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so wait, if i'm 6'6 and you're 6'
and we stand in the exact same position, we aren’t the same height?
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My head is going to hurt after this exchange is done.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoosh.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
strike zone isn't based on height per se
The Strike Zone is defined as that area over homeplate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/rules_interest.jsp
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
batters should wear shorts then.
how can the umpire know with certainty where the hollow beneath the kneecap is. The rules are the cause of the umpires confusion.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have been confused for 110 years.
It’s tradition. Players should paint a magnetic stripe at the hollow ’neath the ’cap and the midpoint of shoulders/pants area, and lasers should be shot at them to determine their “zone”
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Veeck had the right idea.
If Wilbur Wood had better legs they’d be wearing shorts today.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I say they play in speedo's.
Having written that, I am now regretting it. Immensely.
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And just have all players undergo a penile chip-implanting surgery, with which they can measure the zone to a tip.
by homesickalien on Oct 22, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only a XX chromosome would suggest that...
You look him square in the eye and tell him "Yes Sir, the check is in the mail"
by DrEmilioLizardo on Oct 22, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not acording to the strike zone definition
unless we have the same height toes to shoulders and you’ve just got an extra 6 inches of roid head.
by coffeepac on Oct 21, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can do instant modelling now based on the shape of an item
it wouldn’t be hard to recalculate a strike zone for each hitter on the fly. bet someone has probably done it already
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replace the umps with whatever technology works,
and physically replace them with the Chevy Pride Girls, so at least we’ll have some eye candy on the field at all times.
But seriously, I think they’ll start with a “booth” ump for instant replay calls. They may use “technology” down the road, but I highly doubt we’ll see umps completely replaced in our lifetime. The outcry from the purists (and the union) would be huge.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Oct 21, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
umps cannot be completely replaced.
and see how long the purists last when a blown call costs a team tens of millions of dollars in revenue.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've wrecked the union before.
They could probably do it again.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
The only way for a sensor to read a player’s strike zone with any accuracy is for the player to be outfitted with transmitters.
And it’s much easier to rig a tennis court with sensors than it is to load the area surrounding foul lines, to say nothing of the bases themselves.
In theory I tend to agree with Larry. I’m not convinced its technically feasible at this point.
by expatnyc on Oct 21, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we put a man on the moon 40 years ago.
mlb is a business that brings in, what, $7 billion in revenue? i’m pretty sure it’s technically feasible.
by larry on Oct 22, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go all the way with this
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by billyok on Oct 21, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon Allen could've played the leadoff position.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got some wheels
er, I mean a wheel
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yes. a 100 times yes.
"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"
by thecip on Oct 21, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the BASEWARSization of baseball starts....
I want to attack NS with a lasersword.
"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"
by thecip on Oct 21, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i made a fanpost a while ago
that would make to umps useless. ill try and find it later
Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.
by BoeJouma on Oct 21, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
turns out i never made fanpost out of it
but i remember reading about it.
Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.
by BoeJouma on Oct 21, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then i found $10
Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.
by BoeJouma on Oct 21, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the serial number?
I lost $10
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FNS29947511
Dodgers first, for Jim Thome. If not them, then the Rockies for Todd Helton.
by BoeJouma on Oct 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only questionable calls in last nights game
were ball/strike calls by jerry “i can’t see part of the strike zone because of the catcher” layne.
there were some calls that were wrong though, but i hardly even noticed them to tell you the truth.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When two runners get tagged out in the basepaths surrounding the same base, and only one is called out, it's sort of questionable.
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's not questionable
it’s undeniably, maddeningly and inconceivably wrong. there’s no question about it.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for changing the title
ah pree-shee-ate that.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 21, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were interviewing an umpire for a job
don’t you think being able to see over a catcher to see the strike zone would be part of the hiring process. napoli is only 6’. would like to see 6’3 AJ catching in front of him.
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT - Stub Hub chuckle
I received the following email from StubHub on 10/19:
They later sent an apology. I replied by thanking them for the laugh.
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Oct 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought they caught and surpassed it on October 14, 2008
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by billyok on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox-talk have a massive thread on the boil
about the Cubs trading Bradley for Linebrink. yeah it’s insane, but Bradley could he be a goer? In a bad year he still got 0.378 on the bases percentage.
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lord, no.
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Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
looked at his numbers on fgs
it’s only 2007/08 when he had power, betting on that to come back is a risk I guess
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but imagine ozzie & milton fighting in the dugout
i’d ok the trade based on entertainment alone. if he can play RF and hit if only for a lil while, that’s just a bonus.
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his power is okay
I’m more worried about this health. This would give us two injury prone corner outfielders
year/games/slg/iso
02 /98 /406/157
03 /101 /501/180
04 /141 /424/157
05 /75 /484/194
06 /96 /447/171
07 /61 /545/239
08 /126/ 563/242
09 /124/ 397/140
by coffeepac on Oct 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two?
Are you saying Pods is healthy?
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, what?
dude, pods is CF/leadoff.
by coffeepac on Oct 21, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like this
Ozzie has good luck with so-called clubhouse cancers like AJ and crazy carl. Can’t forget tadahito iguchi, called the Japanese albert belle!
"ALL THESE WORLDS/ ARE YOURS EXCEPT/ EUROPA/ ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE/ USE THEM TOGETHER/ USE THEM IN PEACE"
by thecip on Oct 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard to have confrontations with a manager when you can't speak the same language
ozzie speaking murdered english and iguchi speaking translator.
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sig bears no relation ' nick swisher ' at all
looks more like ’ I am a cretin ’
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...I see nothing that even sorta resembles a single letter in his name.
What a douche.
Fuck him.
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a pair of buttcheeks.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Oct 21, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I voted for instant replay only in the playoffs.
The umpires get it right an overwhelming majority of the time and over the course of 162 games things even out. During a short series, with so much at stake, a replay system would make sense as each blown call could potentialy cost a series.
As fans, much of our conversation is second guessing manager’s decisions and umpires calls, that’s part of the beauty and attraction of the game. A good arguement between a manager and umpire is usually pretty damn entertaining too.
Maybe technology would get it right a higher percentage of the time but at what cost? Technology does not exist that would assure 100% correct calls and could probably be tampered with much easier than tampering with umpires.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
better to get many things wrong by incompetence than a few things wrong by "tampering"
haven’t seen much issue with tampering in other sports and i find it unlikely that teams would risk such ridiculously obvious cheating.
i find it pretty ridiculous that getting things wrong is an integral part of the game.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the managers could be replaced by computer also.
The computer could analyze the statistical probability of every matchup in every situation. It could also call the signs for the catcher as it would have access to how each batter fared against each pitcher depending on the count and the pitch selection. The game would be so much more precise. Somehow we need to eliminate errors by the players too.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are describing Tony LaRussa.
So it has already been done. Need a new experiment for your laboratory.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're seriously equating whether a player is out at a base to a judgment call.
there’s a right answer and a wrong answer to the latter. 100% of the time.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what has always confused me.
I guess the human aspect of sports makes it fun, or more interesting to talk about. But, it seems to me a lot of people just waste a lot of their time complaining about how awful everything is, yet when presented with a solution there is huge backlash.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't find it particularly interesting to talk about how incompetent an umpire must be to miss whether a player is standing on a base five feet away from him.
that’s a waste of time to me. there’s a right answer to that and a very, very wrong answer. but apparently mick loves that shit so they’re out there. seems far more interesting to me to discuss judgment calls or strategy or what have you. you know, things that can legitimately be debated.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe there should be replay during playoffs and stated that.
Tell me what kind of technology you propose and how accurate it would be and I may go along with it.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've already described it above.
you can obviously use the hawkeye type technology for fair/foul balls. sensor based systems or even something like hawkeye can be used for whether a player is on a base when a tag is applied or the ball reaches a fielder on a base before a runner reaches. or a player leaves a base before a ball is caught. obviously pitch f/x could easily be applied to balls and strikes if you want to go down that road. all of these would be substantially more accurate than umpires. i’m sure trial testing could be done to prove that to those who think umpires are the tops.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not familiar with "hawkeye" but television replay would settle nearly all disputes.
I like the idea in the post season but I’d be concerned with slowing down the game during the regular season. With the accuracy level of the umpires, I think that over a regular season the calls would even out and not be the cause of winning or losing a division.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and settle them slowly.
as i said above, why waste time correcting errors when you can get it right in the first instance.
and as someone who knows statistics intimately, you know that things often don’t actually even out over a season. an amusing exercise would be to add up all the blown calls and see who would have actually won the central division this year.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the White Sox, alas
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be amused by that exercise at all but I'd imagine the league and umpires have already done that.
The more likely statistics for determining the division would be found in pitching, hitting and fielding.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, thanks. I was a bit unclear on that.
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to thank Mick for God.
Thanks for clearing that up.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a problem solver
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe there is a happy medium between umps and computers. While blatantly blown calls should not be an "integral part" of the game and computers could lend a hand (hee) there, I'd rather not standardize the strike zone....
…even if player measurements/stances are accounted for.
It is an integral part of the game as it’s always been played, for pitchers and hitters to learn an ump’s zone on any given day and strategize/adjust accordingly.
So I think computers should be available for reference on clear-as-shit wrong calls like last night’s, but I’d rather not make the strike zone rigid and robotic or “open for review.”
If this technology does take off in Selig’s retirement, I hope they use it sparingly.
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can not be serious!
Computerized baseball complete with statistically predictable players = way of the future.
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eventually I hope we can do away with the anomalous post season
In favor of a bunch of computer simulations of 5000 game series.
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Law
pretty down on Jordan Danks….a tad more hopeful about Viciedo, but only because he’s young.
by dantesox on Oct 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Place your bets on JorDanks for 2011 ROY
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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by The Cheat on Oct 21, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Danks has a
long swing, aggravated by a first move where his hands go back and down away from his rear shoulder— and his plate coverage on anything in the lower half of the zone is poor. I don’t see him hitting enough to be an everyday player.
by dantesox on Oct 21, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh in that case he'll never make it
nobody’s ever changed a stance before.
by Hatchetm on Oct 21, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say we shoot him.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard he's working on a reverse swirl move. Got it from Walker.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That only works with Australians.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aggravated by a first move where his hands go back and down away from his rear shoulder
Josh Fields part two
goddamn it
Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok
by blackoutsox on Oct 21, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4582672
Dr. James Andrews, who performed the operation in Birmingham, Ala., said that Pujols would not require ligament reconstruction. Pujols has been playing with a partially torn ligament since 2003, and reconstructive surgery would have sidelined him the first few months of next season.
Injury been holding him back from Ruth/Bondsness!
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is God.
Or Kirk Gibson, circa 1988 WS.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: For you married guys (and whipped boyfriends),
some statistical analysis on the housework/nookie relationship:
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You clean the kitchen yet?
Maybe you can up the schedule to twice a month, OPOS…if you’re lucky.
;)
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
by rhythm on Oct 21, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do the dishes.
We have a maid for the kitchen. I do the yard and 50% of the laundry. I had Boras negotiate my deal. The Tribe is a mutha in negotiations. She wiped out Boras. I’m lucky I get anything.
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you help the maid with the kitchen does she reward you?
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tried that this morning
doesn’t work. of course why you would want to fool around with a 40 year old paraguan woman is the other question.
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats practically high-school aged relative to WU.
by Trooper on Oct 21, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With those stats I think he fails the
“Ask your Dr. if you’re healthy enough for sexual activity before taking Viagra” question.
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I calculated the chances of having sex with a [paraguan] waitress
Mathematically I had to do it, Jerry.
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're more into games than housework
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did you get a picture of my kid's bed?
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the maid cleans the kitchen but doesnt do the dishes?
huh.
In Minnesota, when 11,000 people are in the Dome, you feel like you are at an especially depressing demolition derby. -Joe Posnanski
by e-gus on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a strong union.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She doesn't live with us and works every other week.
Keep up, EG. Upper middle class, not upper class.
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#WhiteSox claim OF Alejandro De Aza off waivers from Florida
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a Wise corrolary to Masset theory?
Because this seems like a prime example.
by 67WMAQ on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stocking up at cf
He is known for his great speed and defensive skills in center field.
by hoodlight on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to get Uribe to have his goons make Rios walk away from his contract
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about this
At the plate, Alejandro De Aza is like the CGI Yoda in a lightsaber duel — swift, nimble, hyperkinetic, and never lays a good stroke on anything.
by larry on Oct 21, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
last part sounds like my paraguan cleaning lady
by Shakey on Oct 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A gymnast!
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's good to have a lead-off player coming off the bench late in games.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Oct 21, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he steal first?
Or can he steal, first?
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be the first to steal 50 first-bases!
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJ can help him with that
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Lee Owens is the only person who can truly help him with that.
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! I voted for Jesse Lee Owens in the poll.
…aw crapshits! That’s what I get for voting early.
"...a mouth without grinders is like a mill without grindstone,"
-Don Quixote
by SkanchoDanza on Oct 21, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like the in "The Ringer".
Trophies for everyone!
CAN'T GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. by BuehrleMan
by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring on
the 4 hr. 30 min. games.
Lots of extra beer revenue there.
by ballyb on Oct 21, 2009 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction,
Net way up, eEven with the extra crowd control.
by ballyb on Oct 21, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's with the CubWorld ads on the main page?
by Hatchetm on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Morale boost after a bad year
It may be a long offseason ahead of us.. but at least we’re not Cubs fans.
by Grinder in Training on Oct 21, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That video Jim has embedded on SoxMachine.com is hilarious.
Do go there and watch (it’s actually a vid posted from a yet another Sox site, but I’m attempting to hike up Jim’s traffic).
by homesickalien on Oct 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you sleeping with Jim or something?
Quite the cheerleader. ;)
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by winningugly on Oct 21, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to get an instant replay of mrs kotsay.
/standing in for MarketMaker
by homesickalien on Oct 22, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Look yonder, fellow SSSers. 2010 looms bright!
And fns. -wu
by oahu420 on Oct 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect larry voted 74 times
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
by Carbiner on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i suspect somebody didn't bother to read my comments.
since i think instant replay is really stupid.
by larry on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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