Bye.
by larry on Oct 4, 2009 2:50 PM CDT
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Print- John Danks reached 200 innings.
- A.J. Pierzynski protected the first .300 season by a White Sox catcher by not playing.
- Scott Podsednik will be exploring free agency.
- The Chairman wants players to show up to Spring Training in shape. That means you, Bobby.
- OC didn't get his wish. But there will be a Game 163 for the midget title again.
- And the White Sox season ended with a double play.
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The good news -- if Milwaukee holds on, the Sox pick 13th (although they may get it regardless -- not sure how the tiebreaker works)
so at least we’ve got that going for us.
And I don’t mind Podsednik getting paid somewhere else (although I’m not sure he’s going to get all that much, at his age and with his skill-set). He’s fine as a fourth outfielder, and perhaps a non-terrible option as a platoon partner, but I fear that Ozzie would give him waaaaay too many at-bats ahead of Rios next year in CF.
or you could just put him in left
Or if Peterson's "troublesome" back gives out. Because he's, you know, carrying the team. And some of those guys are heavy.
Mitchell M
gotta love the Pods hate here.
He solved one of our biggest problems starting the season (leadoff) and was probably our most consistent offensive player all year. He is what he is but he did one helluva job for us this year not to mention what he did for the 05 team.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
yeah league average offense at the top of the lineup
what a solution. and you managed to completely neglect defense.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
He's not a good defensive player but he was better than our other corner outfielders this year.
And average offense at the top of our order was far better than what we started with. In terms of value, he was pretty damn good this year. Certainly better than Dye, whom we are all sniffling for, Quentin and most others on the team this year.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
wonderful.
and that has what to do with whether he’s good enough to start for a competitive baseball team in 2010?
If the middle of our lineup would have produced, he would have been on one this year.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
wonderful.
and that has what to do with whether he’s good enough to start for a competitive baseball team in 2010?
I'd like to upgrade too.
I hope we sign Figgins but I’m thinking he might cost more? He started for a pretty competitive team in 05 and the year he had this year, if repeated, would probably be good enough to start for a competitive team. Punto starts for a competitive team.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
I didn't expect him to do what he did this year.
He was healthy for the first time in 3 years, so he could.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
so then he could not.
so why do you argue with people who think he’s a fourth outfielder and make believe that they’re podsednik haters?
Why do you argue with people?
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 4, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
i'm torn between the excellence of that image
and the blahness of your comments on this thread. no rec, but i might steal that in the future.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
You have a distorted view of yourself
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
by mick10 on Oct 4, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's the most wonderful time of the year
(( ding dong ding dong ))
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
That's a rec,
though perhaps mis-timed. larry’s point is well taken. If we are counting on Pods in 2010 we might as well pine for 2011.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
by winningugly on Oct 4, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My sentiments exactly.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
so you see why this was an outlier
but not why it might be a bad idea to bet on him in the future? a dissonance is you.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Not all of us get hard at the sight of a .300 BA
He did his thing, congrats to him. Maybe when he learns how to run the bases and play defense I’ll give him credit.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 4, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
srsly
the fact that he was an average bat was entirely due to the 20+ points of BABIP above his career average.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Didnt we have this same dialogue after '07?
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Oct 4, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
he hit .243 in '07
so i doubt there was anybody on Pods’ side.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Maybe i imagined it, the talk just seems familiar.
Than again this is a very dead horse subject.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Oct 4, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
the standard SSSer is clear on it
but there are newbs and such yet to be properly schooled.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Yeah Im tired of seeing the same stuff being brought up every other month.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Oct 4, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
don't worry.
apparently SSS now covers both the white sox and all the olympic sports. that’s gotta be, like, 100 sports or something. i’ll have a post up on tuesday about who should be joining david murdoch and ewan macdonald on the 2010 scottish curling team. teaser: graeme connal isn’t going to be happy.
Thanks larry.
Always know how to cheer a fella up.
The Boogeyman cometh
by omnipotent grab on Oct 4, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's great news!
It will pass the time while we await that top 10 prospects list.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
So write something yourself
if you are bored.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
i'm sure you could come up with good right rail material
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
i really really don't want to see him back
there are so many players just like him or better who actually offer some upside.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Oct 4, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boo-Yah colintj!
for typing what I was thinking, only 24 hours before me.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
We will have 13 regardless
Tiebreaker goes on previous season’s record.
what's the best fantasy league?
I’ve played ESPN for a coupla years and I just don’t get it… Your hitters hit .350 for the day, pitchers with sub 2 ERA’s,a stolen base or two, and I still drop 2 points a day. I think their particulars are just too restrictive. Any suggestions?
Oh yeah, all in an all a ho-hum season. Never mounted a charge, no 10 game winning streaks… it was kinda over after MB’s perfecto. I’ll be attending Dodger & Angel post-season games and fill u clowns in.
i've always liked yahoo
but i’m not a big fan of fantasy in general. i’d rather think about real baseball.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Had a 10 point lead for most of the season
With various White Sox players of course (and cough Mark Reynolds and Albert Pujols cough), then had about 13 consecutive bad starts out of my starting pitching (incl. Danks and Buehrle), and the only guy who had any chance of catching me somehow had 20-30 consecutive good starts, granted he traded with the 2 worst teams in the league about 30 times so I’d say its a safe bet I won.
sox season over, now what?
lets go dodgers
by BoeJouma on Oct 4, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
xbox trades, strawmen, and ad hominems.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Oct 4, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this very much.
I believe I will follow that advice right now.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
Have fun.
My advice is to piss with the wind and not against it. Trust me
read better.
"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Oct 5, 2009 6:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
no
Kenny wants a DH platoon
Or if Peterson's "troublesome" back gives out. Because he's, you know, carrying the team. And some of those guys are heavy.
Mitchell M
Maybe if Griffey retires, wouldn't Thome make some sense in Seattle?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 4, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn't hit at all
but were still middle of the pack in position player WAR. That’s exactly the kind of team that could use a DH, no?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Should I keep answering your questions with another question?
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 4, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not going to find the link, but Kenny said he doesn't want a DH-only player
It was in the Trib a week or two after the Thome trade. Said he wants someone that can rotate into in the field.
I was guessing he was preparing us for the Podsednik Designated Hitting Experience in 2010.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 4, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember him saying that.
But it’s Kenny Williams. Who knows what he’s going to do.
I agree...he could (and hopefully will) change his mind
And it wasn’t like he said there’s no way Thome comes back.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 4, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
but Floyd has the biggest (and hairest) balls of them all!
read better.
"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Oct 5, 2009 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What could the Sox get if they trade Jenks
considering he’ll make $7 – $9 million next year? Will they get any return?
I would guess no unless they are willing to take on equal salary
Like the Garland-OCab trade. Even then, we’re not talking Crawford or even Upton. I think GM’s will be pretty circumspect about trading for a declining closer with a big salary that needs a 3 run lead to get a save.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 4, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
perhaps not in performance (peripherals-wise) yet.
but his ability to stay healthy appears to be declining. performance often follows that.
they look like bad body type injuries too, no?
so maybe if they can get him to get in shape for a season and deal him after ’10?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
that's what the Chairman said.
of course, if he doesn’t have much surplus value now, hard to see how he would after another year.
there are probably better ways to spend $8-10M/yr, though
kind of a Carlos Lee situation.
and i really doubt it’s the case, but if Chone’s only looking for 10 per, that’d be one.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
er, just to clarify
if it really doesn’t make a ton of sense to invest in his health, the Sox might as well cut and run now.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
doesn't seem like there will be a lot of surplus value there
unless he’s perceived as elite. i don’t think that’s the case.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
So Danks, Jenks, Quentin, Pena, and Wise have arb? Kotsay is a FA correct?
and we have 71 million commited to next season if the sox pick up Garcia’s and Thorntons options.
that puts us at about 90 million with arb deals with a corner outfield spot and a DH spot to fill. How much will Pods cost? Kotsay? Say we’re at 95 million at the end, could we afford Figgins and move Becks to second?
Or if Peterson's "troublesome" back gives out. Because he's, you know, carrying the team. And some of those guys are heavy.
Mitchell M
Especially not with talk all season about a $10million per year contract.
At that price, I beg the Sox not to sign him.
the years are the only issue if he's only asking for 10 million per
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I'm not sure how many years he'll be asking for. This is Scot Gregor's take..
“The Sox simply don’t have the money to satisfy Figgins’ asking price, which should be three years for around $35 million.”
I'd much prefer Chone to Jenks if that's the case
if that’s what he’s looking for, he was worth that before his breakout.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I don't want Podssedniskc on the team nest year
by hoodlight on Oct 4, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Sign Figgins
at any cost. let 2010 be 2005
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions
Even better!
This thread goes to 11.
…
…
The season’s over, screw originality.
aw well
the mess and pain is finally over
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
excuse me
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
will you two just cyber and get this shit over with?
its going to be a long offseason, just get down to it.
lets go dodgers
*preferably in a cozy and private AOL chat room.
Fuck it, Dude... Let's go bowling.
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
nope sure can't
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
he called me a dude
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Bravo
After losing two in a row, the Steelers got a jump on the Chargers. So far, San Diego hasn’t responsed.
Good lord....
not only did the sox season end today- but so did Entourage. Fucking brutal.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Just re-watch older seasons, it's not like anything actually happens on the show.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Lastly, no XBH for Sox for the final game.
Anemic. Offense. Gotta be addressed this off-season.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
gotta love the crawl on espn.
after listing the score and whatnot for the sox game it reads, “granderson makes diving catch on quentin fly ball with men on 1st and 2nd to end the 8th inning.”
it should read,“with 2 on and 2 out in the 8th inning granderson completely misjudged a flyball to short left center then proceeded to run around like a chicken with his head cut off. he eventually got himself pointed in the right direction and had to run at full speed (which luckily for him is considerable) and dive to catch a fly ball that many outfielders would have camped underneath and caught standing motionless.”
and by the way, i believe that’s the 3rd ball i’ve seen him butcher in the last week. he had at least 2 against minnesota that i saw on highlights that he wasn’t able to recover on. anyone else see those?
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Oct 5, 2009 7:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
New meme!
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 5, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Party’s Over, it’s time to call it a day.
They’ve burst your pretty balloon and taken the moon away.
It’s time to wind up the masquerade.
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid.
The Party’s Over.The candles ficker and dim.
You danced and dreamed through the night,
it seemed to be right just being with him.
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end.
Take off your make up, The Party’s Over.
It’s all over, my friend.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
oh yeah?
Now it begins, let it begin
Cleanup Time
Hey, cleanup time
Cleanup time
Well, well, well
However far we travel
Wherever we may roam
The center of the circle
Will always be our home
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, cleanup time
Cleanup time
Cleanup time
Cleanup time
Cleanup time
Cleanup time
Cleanup time
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
This.
Now the seats are all empty
Let the roadies take the stage
Pack it up and tear it down
Theyre the first to come and last to leave
Working for that minimum wage
Theyll set it up in another town
Tonight the people were so fine
They waited there in line
And when they got up on their feet they made the show
And that was sweet—
But I can hear the sound
Of slamming doors and folding chairs
And thats a sound theyll never know
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
And as Dandy Don would sing,
turn out the lights……..
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
Yay, Nat King Cole
Probably wasn’t the first person to sing that song, but he’s the one I know. :-)
That ball hit deep! Way back! You can put it on the boooaaaard...YES!
Long drive into deep right center field! This ball is OUTTA HEEERRRREE!
R.I.P. Harry Kalas 4-13-09
allocation of playing time?
who should have played more/less?
the reason i ask is that in retrospect
i think ozzie did pretty well in this regard.
Easy
The one and only Scott Linebrink
read better.
"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Shitting away the Sox '09 season....
one brick at a time.
Fuck it, Dude... Let's go bowling.
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
How about not letting Randy pitch to righties, ever.
VS. LEFT: .162 / .549 VS. RIGHT: .269 / .868…RANDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYY
Hoffman signs on for another year with MIL
Does that mean the Fielder for Jenks trade won’t happen now?
read better.
"give the guy more than six days to get up to speed."
by larry on Sep 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT
by Scotty Ballgame on Oct 5, 2009 10:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
cup?
Fuck it, Dude... Let's go bowling.
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
kory sauce?
Fuck it, Dude... Let's go bowling.
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Party's just getting started.
Fuck it, Dude... Let's go bowling.
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Real life question.
Should we have a gamethread/front page fanshot for 163 tomorrow?
Seems like some, if not most of us will be watching and probably want to comment.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
Not all...
“Guillen doesn’t plan to even turn on the TV and watch postseason baseball, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have a favorite to win it all.
‘’I have to go with New York because of their pitching staff, and they’re hungry,‘’ Guillen said. ’’They want to be there. The ballclub is very solid. But you never know.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1806419,CST-SPT-soxnt05.article
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
I like recycled discussions.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
Maybe he SHOULD turn it on, if only to learn how winning teams don't use Linebrink in close games.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
you only get known for shit you'd rather not be known for on SSS
be glad it’s just the one so far.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
that guy who enjoys gamethreads so he can virtually sit on pr's face.
fixed.
See? There is so much more to you, billy.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
oh wow, interesting
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
stop dreaming
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
right up there prolonged absences from the self-desribed and appointed "Managing Editor"
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
Now this.....
this is sig-worthy.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
From Saturday's gt, while Detroit was blowing it.
Boy, I tell ya what, Stone Pony. The tension is so thick,
I could FNS with it.
by SkanchoDanza on Oct 3, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ooooohhhh fancy.
I don’t remember that from last year’s post-Sox post-season.
But then again, I was TV-less (still am) and didn’t watch much post-season (which, as you know, not only makes me NOT a baseball fan, but practically implies that I hate the whole sport).
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
scott podsednik exceeded what most of us could probably expect from him offensively this season
and that was pleasant to witness BUT at best he was an average outfielder (WPA = 0 for 2009 restricted to outfielders, see fangraphs) because he’s uber shitty on D.
..and this is his first ‘relatively’ full season without going to the DL since when? the dude with the hot wife was on the DL in 2005, so i’m gonna flag all you motherfuckers who keep clinging on to 2005 like a fucking blanket.
folks who think he could repeat his numbers in 2010 are dreamers and should only be allowed to post their thoughts on the right rail.
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
Is he average or uber-shitty?
Will Pods repeat this year’s average (but better-than-we-had) numbers? Probably not.
But you’d be hard-pressed to find a single person who expected him to do half of what he did for us offensively this year. And sadly, his average performance was worlds better than with what we started.
That’s the beauty of baseball, ain’t it? Expect the unexpected.
I don’t think you have to be a dreamer or a relegated to the RR if you follow that philosophy.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
when i meant average, it was taking the offense and defense into account, right? i thought that's what WPA did...
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as I know.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I comprehend that portion now...but the rest of it remains. ;)
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
For a team under .500 a zero WPA isn't all that bad.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
You should do a fanpost over there on that right rail.
You could explain wpa and how to tell uber-shitty defense from average.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
don't bow to the commies
sit in front of the tank!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Is mick10 the artist formerly known as picktoclick?
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
should be known on the search engine
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
micktoclick? :) I don't know what osfib meant with the search engine suggestion, but the dates on their respective user profiles don't really align.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
His "want another banning?" response was a clue, perhaps.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
I was not aware that ptc was ever banned. If he was, I missed it.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Also - support for why it may be ptc....
mick10 likes me.
There has only been one other poster in my history here who liked me…..
ptc.
;O
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I slipped you that extra fiver that one time at the port
clearly, I like you
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
SouthSideSox on Facebook
I interpret anything more than a single, as love.
I love you too, Cheat.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This off-season blows already.
Fucking Harlequin Romance time on SSS.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
I don't sleep with the boss man, thank you very much. Portsluts have dignity too, you know.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
nyet.
WPA is a fairly blah stat. it measures the change in average win expectancy after the individual in question’s plate appearances. so those who happen to come up “clutch” rate better, but defense has nothing to do with it.
Pods was a 1-1.5 WAR player. the one thing we’re less than sure of is his fielding (somewhere bad, but not exactly how bad), but figuring his wins above replacement is still the same: offensive runs above average + defensive runs above average + replacement adjustment + position adjustment. using .333 wOBA for average and prorating to 600 PAs/150 defensive IP in left field, the arithmetic looks thus:
2.5 + 0 + 20 – 7.5 = 15 RAR = 1.5 WAR
If you think he was a below average left fielder, adjust the total. And if wOBA doesn’t account for pick offs, adjust further. Either way, his performance was at best relatively good; our outfield was such a shitfest that he looked good by comparison. I’m not about to get caught up in that past the surprise and hilarity experienced at the time that our season so often rested in Pods’ hands.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
thanks colin, this is informative
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree with everything above that you said
but given his injury history and his offensive output in recent years, the probability for him to put up similar in 2010 is a pipedream.
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
As was him putting up those numbers in 2009...
not sayin, just sayin.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, but 'repeating' is even less likely, don't you think?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps. Or maybe he's just finally healthy and seeing the ball better with the guidance of Earlybird Walker.
I expect nothing and I’d prefer that we don’t rely on him as DH next season.
But who really knows what happened to Pods… I honestly didn’t expect him (or his bottled lightning) to last through this season.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i know what happened to Pods
it’s a classic case of inflated BABIP. even if he’s “finally healthy”, who cares? that doesn’t make him rare or good. kotsay’s performance is proof enough that finding 2009 Pods production isn’t hard.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
one could posit that at least part of his increased babip came from being able to leg out infield hits
which would likely be related to the health of his legs and perhaps his approach at the plate. i don’t have his infield hits at my fingertips, though.
IFH% is on fangraphs
and it was well above his career average, so there’s that. i think it’s just hard in general to consistently leg out infield hits and luck (as in “i hit that one slightly too hard/soft/too far to the left/right,” etc.) plays a big factor. though i assume his health contributed to his ability to pick up IFH.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
i think there's probably more variance in IFH%
than BABIP
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Aren't we all forgetting his dancing in the batter's box
like Ichiro?
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
how do you quantify that? needs a new metric
TwinkleToesEffect. BarneyRubbleSyndrome.
by Shakey on Oct 5, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rubble!
Rec’d. That is hysterical. I can hear the xylophone now.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
He is also slapping at the ball more, especially with 2 strikes.
His contact rate is better because of that it appears. He has really changed his approach this season. I wonder if Walker had anything to do with it? I doubt it.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
I haven't seen anyone else shorten up with 2 strikes
over Walk’s tenure, so I doubt it, too. Maybe he’s just maturing and knowing what he can and can’t do any more.
It happens to some of us with age. Wisdom.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
You're right,
it probably had a lot to do with not having a job and getting another chance.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
Not I. I'm just stirring the pot. Getting a rise out of you. For shits and giggles.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
pods' pecota
will be sumthin like .260 .315 OBA. 280 ABs
of course, that aside
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
haha, that is correct, disregard
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Pods is like a fine wine!
He’ll be reaching Pujols numbers in 2015.
Book it.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
did you poll in dergan over kotsay?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I did. Kotsay - no contest.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
This can't be right! According to Cowley, he had no friends:
Miguel Cabrera had a blood-alcohol level more than three times the legal limit when he was involved in a physical altercation with his wife early Saturday morning, according to the Birmingham Police.
Cabrera had been partying with buddies from the Chicago White Sox after Friday night’s game at Birmingham’s Townsend Hotel, Birmingham Police Chief Richard Patterson said.
But when he got home, his wife wasn’t happy he’d been out drinking so late, Patterson said. Roseangel Cabrera called 911 at 6:05 a.m. to report the two were fighting, according to reports.
“He was out late, came home and his spouse didn’t appreciate that, I guess and it got into an argument,” Patterson said. Police took Cabrera to the police station for questioning, including help from a Michigan State Police interpreter.
According to the police report, Cabrera’s wife, whose name is listed as Rosangel, was upset when the ballplayer woke up the couple’s 4-year-old daughter and was talking on the phone when he came home. Investigators noticed his wife had an injury to her lower lip; they noted the injury to the left side of Cabrera’s face.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
what kind of wife doesn't have a sandwich ready for her man?
you think its easy being out all night?
Looks like she had a knuckle sandwich ready for him.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
Cabrera should not have been enjoying himself because his team lost that night.
It means he no care.
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love 2010
The only "friend" I know he has on the sox iz Ozzie.
If the world was perfect, it wouldn't be -- Yogi Berra
I consider Hugo Chavez a Sox "fan" because of Ozzie,
so there’s that.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
ozzie guillen jr
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Oct 5, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
what a fuckin bitch.
so what? he was on the phone. OMG he woke the daughter? go back to sleep in 4 minutes. id slap her in the face too!
bitches runnin wild man.
lets go dodgers
Roseangel Cabrera.
Neither a rose, nor an angel.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds like Roseangel's parents were fans of Poison
who couldnt agree on their favorite song.
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love 2010
by Nordhagen on Oct 5, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What I truly dig about this situation
is she took no crap from him and whacked him good.
Don’t tick off a Latino Mom.
I was a Catholic boy, Redeemed through pain, not through joy - Jim Carroll
The final word
"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome
by tailgater on Oct 5, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
"and FNSwisher and FNPunto"
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Oct 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No,
TY, IA.
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
in advance?
The tension is so thick, I could FNS with it. -SkanchoDanza
by homesickalien on Oct 5, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
its going to be okay
THESE WHITE SOX PLAYERS MAKE ME FEEL SO BLAH EXCEPT FOR A.J. !
by pierzynskirules on Oct 5, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
for those who haven't checked
Brandon Allen’s MLB performance:
116 PA, .202/.284/.385, .283 BABIP, 10.3 BB%, 38.5 K%.
fwiw, he’s 7 months older than GoBe.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
looks about right.
he wasn’t ready for the majors, though you can’t really blame arizona for bringing him up in a dismal season.
i was most surprised by the K rate
you think he’ll ever be ready for the majors? Kenny’s track record is pretty good and i thought he’d be traded…but in a package for something more worthwhile than Tony Pena.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
i think he'll be an average or so 1B.
he is a guy with a milb career k rate in the upper 20%s so being that high in his initial foray isn’t surprising. he kept a good walk rate. no guarantees, of course, but i stand by my final ETA for him of june 2010.
he's been at 22.5% in his career since A ball
i didn’t think he’d nearly double that. but, it’s still just 100 PA. and if you’re right, Pena is going to have to be Jenks/Thornton good to win that deal from a WAR perspective. makes it worse considering the money. otoh, if he’s only 50/50 to make average, it’s probably a break even deal.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
even if kenny thought it was only 20-30%
i don’t see why Pena is so special that Allen couldn’t be packaged elsewhere. he’s been a ROOGY for his career, so unless he’s getting another pitch you’re just overreacting to a big fastball.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
fangraphs said 94.8 this year
93-95 from watching him a few times. he’s gotten ripped apart by lefties so far. i’m not sure what his movement is like, but i checked a few brooks pages. he threw a few with good rise to run and a few that were blah. his slider appears to be meh and i thought i saw a third change-like pitch. he’s going to need some work to become a legit Bobby replacement. until then he’ll shut the door against RHB and shit the bed against LHB.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
His bat hasn't changed
and it remains to be seen how good his defense is. The expected difference between the two in ‘08 was probably 1.5 WAR and 1 WAR in ’09. That was probably worth Gio and DLS given the fact that the Sox are almost always in the ’sweet spot’ where the marginal difference of a win or two is worth a lot more.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
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