White Sox Make "News" at GM Meetings
by The Cheat on Nov 11, 2009 12:38 AM CST
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Not much happens at the GM meetings. But this year those meetings are taking place in Chicago -- an unnamed hotel near O'hare, actually -- which means the local Chicago rags can afford to send their writers to cover the relative non-event. So we've got a lot to link to for a week after the World Series ended:
- There was a reason I refused to put Scott Podsednik in the See Ya Later group and called him a cock-a-roach (in my best Tony Montana voice) on Facebook, he's not going to go away that easily. Those talks that seemed to be dead last week, have, according to the ubiquitous sources, "heated up."
- One player who will be gone, is Jermaine Dye. Some speculated that he might be brought back on the cheap to play DH, but JD, while not specifically ruling out the Sox, insists on ruining some as-yet-to-be-determined team's defense.
"There are a number of teams I've heard already that would love to have me,'' Dye said. "I know one thing, I will not be DHing. You can put that down. If a team wants to try me out at first base on an every day basis I'll do that. That's something I feel will be easy to learn. But as far as DHing that's not for me. Teams shouldn't call if that's their plan.''
- Bruce Levine seems to think the Sox are going to hang on to Bobby Jenks, and gets the Chicago GMs on the record about instant replay.
- Kenny Williams echoed my sentiment about Alexei Ramirez:
"I personally thought it was terribly unfair, the criticism (Ramirez) got," Williams said. "Of course, the lapses are somewhat frustrating, but I expect those as a young player. I expect those coming from young players. That's part of the development."
- Williams also joined in raising concerns about the leaking of players names who've been placed on the waiver wire.
- And Joe Crede still wants to play for half a season.
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No news is good news.
Once again, nobody has a clue what Kenny will do.
But thx for the recap anyway.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 6:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzz.
I’ll also be sure to check my FB account for Cheat’s breaking SSS humor and rumors. Fer Chrissakes.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 6:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why so many Sox fans think Alexei was awful on D last season
I thought he was pretty average (that’s completely unscientific). And yet Getz was loved and I thought his glove was clearly below average. Odd.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 7:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Expectations, position they played, actual ability, etc..
People have seen Alexei do amazing things athletically so they are more disappointed when he makes a mistake. I don’t think anyone expected much out of Getz, so the fact he wasn’t a disaster out there was enough for a lot of people, especially after our recent run of position players coming through our minor league system. He just had to be better then Anderson and Fields and people would be relatively happy. Alexei made a few blatant errors that just stood out unfortunately.
Not saying it’s fair or right, but I think that is your most logical explanation. I think most educated baseball fans would believe Alexei is the much better player in the field.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
While it's a little disappointing to hear...
that Dye doesn’t seem to recognize that he isn’t the same player he was just a couple years ago (pretty much all sports stars can be charged with that crime), I was much more disappointed in the lack of media coverage of his departure. Sox fans love AJ, Paulie, etc. but the same respect never seemed to be given to Dye. We all know how huge Dye was is 2005 to this franchise, but he somehow gets overlooked by the masses. Perhaps his mostly low-key nature keeps him out of the spotlight, but the man strikes me as a generally classy man who who always tried his very best and simply could hit the hell out of the baseball. I will miss him very much, and I hope he finds a team that gives him what he wants in terms of respect, playing time and money. He deserves a standing ovation the next time he appears at the Cell just like Crede and the Big Hurt.
by palehose67 on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'll get his ovation
And then he’ll hit a home run in his first at bat and everyone will boo him
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by billyok on Nov 11, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe part of the lack of coverage of his departure is that he hasn't departed yet.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so.
I guess we’ll have to see when it becomes official. But you make a good point. Still, that doesn’t change anything I said about how he has been received/perceived by every day White Sox fans (and generally the media up to this point).
by palehose67 on Nov 11, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think another part of it is that he's a quiet guy.
i won’t deny that race may be a part of it – baseball fans (and writers) are generally white and, thus, it’s natural to relate to white players more – but, as usual, it ain’t just one thing at work here.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well it didnt help that he DH'd his last home game at the cell.
And I believe his final AB was a weak infield grounder.
I think he knew it, he took a little longer than usual to slink back into the dugout, but the crowd surely wasnt thinking about it, except for half drunk me sitting out in rf. I stood and clapped.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think we know he isn't retiring.
So it’s not like he wasn’t going to be back at the cell. He’ll get a standing O when he returns next year.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 11, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He deserves a standing ovation the next time he appears at the Cell "
Of course he does, and I’d wager right now that a tribute video will be provided by the team.
As for the rest of that, I think it’s partly “what have you done for me lately” (since ‘05), partly his terrible 2nd half of last year, and partly due to his race. I would hope the last part is a small one, but it can’t be ignored completely. There’s a reason why Urlacher jerseys are still worn with pride despite his performance (or lack of) in recent years.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To palehose67
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People still wearing Urlacher jerseys
are the same type of people who give Travis Snider a 2nd place ROY vote.
The uninformed meat-head masses.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or..
they are people who bought that jersey years ago and don’t feel like spending the cash for a new Hillenmeyer one.
by jimmyjr on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
possibly...
the cheap bastards.
thats why you should get a timeless jersey, like Erik Kramer.
I actually want a Wilbur Marshall #58, and Im going to buy a neck roll for every time I wear it. I think I’ll wait for next year and the 254 year anniversary.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
race plays a huge part which is sad but true.
by Shakey on Nov 11, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Dye is/was my wife’s favorite Sox player. In fact she was disgusted to overhear a guy at ST in ’06 saying that Dye might be a sleeper that year. She was like, “oh yeah, World Series MVP is a real sleeper.” It sickened her, gotta love that girl. She also happens to be white.
There were plenty of JD jerseys at the cell for the last few years worn by white people and plenty cheers every time he came up to bat. The Sox fans in general are a lot more color blind than fans of other teams(cough*CUBS*cough). Black GM, spanish skipper, I like to think its about the game on the south side( except for you WU, you ORPOS).
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
those are pooty goo.
it seems like the only time Ive ever had them was fund-raiser related tho. wassupwitdat?
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They are hard to find
usually only have them during the holidays. For shits and giggles check out the fat content and calories in one cookie. It will amaze you.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Venezuelan skipper.
And just because Mrs. gus (fine woman that she is) and you and all my white friends and me, etc, respect and give mad props to Dye, doesn’t mean that race doesn’t play a part in the grand scheme.
I don’t dwell on race of my athletes whatsoever (unless I’m making race-related jokes and generalizations ;)), so it’s easy for me to dismiss that too, but it still probably plays a part.
How much attention was given to Contreras’ departure vs Thome’s?
Besides, who really knows how upset fans will be when Dye is actually packing his bags. I’m personally gonna miss him a whole lot, but will be happy to have fresher legs in our outfield (I hope).
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget HIS wife
she doesnt seem to mind.
of course there are some ignoramus anuses out there, its just in no way a majority.
and ozzie is venezuelean? huh. thanks for enlightening me. had. no. clue.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you knew. So why'd you call him Spanish, dipshit?
Spain =/= Venezuela
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz spanish is eazier to spell.
and I really thought he was from spain.
jack ass.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you didn't want to be racist by calling him mexican.
spanish is a compliment.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You refer to Asians as "orientals," don't you. :p
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only by occident.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
He was talking about Lou Pini-ella
He is of Spanish descent.
by oahu420 on Nov 11, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubano, no?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you and I both know you don't called your white friends, "friends"
brah, broheins, dudes, gnarley babes, awesomenessdudettes…that is more your surfer style.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't judge, I observe.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
what about
raymont harris jerseys? i still wear that one.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on Nov 11, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent analysis of the leadoff position and lineup/roster construction
GMs entering the offseason looking for hitters need not concern themselves with what lineup slot they set their players in. Defensive alignment and batter handedness factor into lineup construction more than leveraging a player’s specific OBP or SLG skills. If your team needs a 3B and "needs" a leadoff hitter, it may seem that Chone Figgins and his .363 career OBP is a great fit and Adrian Beltre and his .325 career OBP doesn’t work at all, but it’s just not true. Beltre’s a great fielder and an average hitter, and Figgins is a great (but probably not as good) fielder and an average hitter, and that’s what matters.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-impact-of-leadoff-hitters-on-roster-construction
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldve preferred Beltre over Figgins until I read this yesteday:
2010 BJ handbook:
Chone Gone Figgins was on first base when a single was hit 43 times in 2009, and he made it to third 23 times. Prince Fielder was on first base when a single was hit 45 times, and he made it to third only once – 1 for 45. Not that that’s a bad thing.
Chone Figgins was on second base when a single was hit last year 31 times. He scored 26 times. David Ortiz was on second base when a single was hit 16 times. He scored only twice. In part this was because it is very difficult to score from second base on a single to left field in Fenway Park, since the left fielder is just behind the shortstop. In part it is because David Ortiz is not nearly as fast as Chone Figgins, who led the majors in both of these categories.
I would absolutely love to see some good base running on the Sox. According to this the Sox as a team were -20 on the bases, third worst in the AL besting only KC(-67!) and the O’s(-57). Figgins was +35 all by himself. That’s outstanding.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to also say:
There were about 100 times last season when a long fly ball would be hit to deep center or right field with a man on second base and the Sox didnt even have the chance to advance as they were always standing halfway to third instead of tagging up. The base running has been one of my pet peeves about this club for a while.
Oh and Mr. Awesome on the basepaths AJ Pierzynski was -6. Thats what passes as good for this club.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
of course I realize...
we are stuck with Mr. Teahan.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
had to get that in before hsa got her red pen back out.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So do I. Good thing I'm not from here.
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Prrrrretty sure I spent 22 out of my 25 years in Chicago. I don't identify with the people here, as you know. Enough button-pushing, larry!
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prrreettty sure you don't need to spend 23 years in seattle to be from there.
you’ve lived there for awhile now and have no immediate plans to leave. i’d call that being from someplace. whatever.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Different interpretation of "from," I suppose.
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is...
fantastic. I look forward to buying the T-shirt.
by palehose67 on Nov 11, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've owned a version of it for about 7 years now...one of my favorites.
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not where you're from, its where you're at.
-Rakim
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 11, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey ninja assassin, you cut their throats too?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
General Soreness is back!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/mariners-reach-agreement-with-ken-griffey-jr.html
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 11, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe he can creep up this list now:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/highs-and-lows-of-uzr-2007-9-griffey-jr
he’s become historically bad at defense.
by coffeepac on Nov 11, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if HE would DH?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or play 1b. Anyone can play 1b.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 11, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Kenny signed Griffdog and then said he was going to play him in CF and how that was the easiest OF position, and Griffey was all like, "uhhh, wut?"
Good times.
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember "The Catch"? Now THAT was good times!
And I don’t mean DW’s.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean BA's....
Or do you mean Griffey’s throw home to nail Cuddyer?
What the hell are you talking about? :)
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Maybe that was it.
Never mind.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OPOS
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I sure miss watching these gifted OFers bring the grace
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Nov 11, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no news on the $$ amount
wonder what a 1-year deal with GS costs? Could start the market for the other DH candidates out there.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crasnick:
Griffey back with Seattle, for close to $2M base and $3M-plus overall he made in 2009.
http://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/5624110274
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently it's essentially the same as last year's deal
$2 million base plus incentives.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be able to get Thomer or Delgado for that...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also sounds like the Ichiro/Matsui reunion is probably off
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
since they don't really like one another, probably a good idea.
i hear team chemistry is important.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that and also statements that the whole "feud" is BS
Who needs team chemistry? The Oakland A’s of the 70’s hated each other. 2008 Sox had some issues and they won the division….last year KW trades away/doesn’t resign the bad apples and the team goes spiraling downward. When you work with people you don’t always get along with, well you don’t get complacent and you strive to be better.
Now, if your boss is a douche’, well that is a different story.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 11, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think there's a feud.
but it’s not like the two are buddies or something.
by larry on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the most individualized team sport there is...
I agree, chemistry doesn’t matter. Liking your teammates doesn’t lead to home runs.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The A's of the '70's did NOT hate each other.
They were united in their hatred of Massa Finley.
Though there WAS a fight between Blue Moon Odom and Rollie Fingers before the ’75 series…
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'74 series.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I call BS.
You were high all of ’74 and thus are suspect in your recollection.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What if we were 15 years away from being born?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 11, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiburb showing off his long-term memory. Woo woooo!
by homesickalien on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all I have left.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Straight Shooter" Scott Boras
Scott Boras said Tuesday that “each time with these minor micro-surgeries, if you will, they finally feel” his years-long disc problems are over and that he would sign a one-year contract again.
“Joe’s report is that he’s never felt better,” Boras said. “So he’s really looking forward to coming back and playing a full season.”
by ballyb on Nov 11, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My Uncle Henry used to say about a guy like Boras,
“Ya know, he’d take your eye out, put a grape in there, and tell ya it looked better.
by ballyb on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Since your effing face is still caved in from 2008,
he might be right.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 11, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Time to start-up the Dan Hudson hype machine!
Sure the White Sox are keeping Freddy Garcia around, but he’s keeping a spot warm for Hudson. MLBFP is a big fan of Hudson and today we’re telling you why. Check out our scouting report on this possible future Chi-Sox ace: http://www.mlbfantasyprospects.com/2009/11/15-mlb-fantasy-prospect-dan-hudson-sp-chicago-white-sox—-scouting-report.html
by Steve @ MLB Fantasy Prospects on Nov 11, 2009 7:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tigers shopping Granderson
Of course, the Yankees are interested. Do we have the scratch and the match to get Curtis in his hometown?
by soxappeal on Nov 11, 2009 7:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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