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It's ROY Day! - And Beckham Gets 5th Place.

 

  • The Rookie of the Year Awards are announced today, so use this thread to celebrate, or, alternately, plot your murders of those other undeserving rookies and the BWAA members who voted for them. Edit: Gordon Beckham gets 5th place. Andrew Bailey wins.
  • Kenny Williams thinks the National League sucks.

     

    "A guy going from the American League to the National League, no disrespect, but. ... "

    "There are guys in the American League who go to the National League and don’t do well," Williams conceded, "but there are not too many of them that I can think of."

  • And Phil Rogers declares Brent Morel the White Sox third baseman of the future. I can't say I agree, but 18 months ago when he was drafted, I did like his swing better than Beckham's from their scouting videos. I still like Morel, probably more than most prospect experts, yet I wouldn't go so far as to call him the future of anything. He was blocked this year, when he probably should have received a mid-season promotion. He's still on the utility player track, though his ceiling seems like a Mark Teahen type, albeit with better defense.

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in my mind its between beckham and porcello.

all do respect to Bailey, Andrus and Niemann (or whatever that devil ray pitcher’s name is).

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2009 1:31 AM CST reply actions  

I'm betting on the latter

I am already getting my hit list together. It will consist of all writers since they serve no purpose in society (like you OPOSs). I may include porcello just to watch Boras sob like a baby again.

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Porcello, Andrus, Bailey top 3 IMO

No disrespect to you Gordon fanboyz. It’s a close race for the top 5 or so (I’d say Gordon is 4)

by Q!'s Qrew on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 AM CST reply actions  

i can't go for bailey.

or andrus really…. but especially bailey. An A’s reliever? Big fucking deal. He’ll probably suck this year….. Andrus was a good glove but his bat was mediocre. Beckham started the year in June and out produced him by a ton.

1. Beckham
2. Porcello
3. Niemann (or whatever the guys name is I’m too lazy to look it up.)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2009 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Andrus was a good glove but his bat was mediocre.

And Beckham was a good bat but his glove was mediocre.

So surely that levels things out? Then you factor in that Andrus is a SS and played a full season in the Majors and you have the more valuable player. Unlless of course you a proponent of “one run scored on offense is worth more than one run saved on defense”.

And I’m taking Brett Anderson for ROY.

http://twitter.com/FutureSox

by The Big Hurt on Nov 16, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Should we also factor in the adjustment Beckham made in fielding a new position for him?

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 8:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Then why factor in when Beckham was called up

and the difference in positions? Each situation was different. Texas was ready to hand the position to Elvis. Beckham was blocked at SS by Alexei and wouldn’t have seen action when he did if Fields wasn’t so shitty and his backup Goggles was not equally as bad

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 9:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good intentions = Road To Hell

What actually was produced? I agree with Hurt (though not with his ROY choice).

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

he factors in when beckham was called up because that's kind of important for production for

rookie of the year. and if you don’t yet understand the relevance of positional adjustments, fangraphs exists.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Shove your fangraphs up your taint

I agree with Hurt’s point on the defensive difference between Beck and Andrus being greater than the offensive difference. I feel that factoring in where they play makes as much sense as trying to factor Beckham playing a new position on the fly. Compare the numbers and not the positions

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Then a SS should win every year right?

Jeter is the MVP. Discussion over!

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

As logical as basing everything on fangraphs

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 11:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

i'm basing it on positional adjustments.

if you disagree with using positional adjustment, fine. however, at least understand what you’re arguing against.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I understand

I view it as you are setting a handicap on Beckham based on the position he ended up at. Would it have made a difference if Beckham was brought up to play SS instead of 3B? Elvis is still the better defender in either case but then again by the stats you hold dear the difference isn’t as great

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 11:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and Elvis' glove wasnt just good, it was excellent at SS.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 16, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

i love bacon like the next guy but you don’t get to prorate stats for rookie of the “year”

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

i thought we killed this whole

bacon talk?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

no, you registered your opinion. it was duly noted.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

shove this comment up your taint?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Learn something new everyday....

I didn’t know a taint was an orifice? Isn’t the taint the area between the ballsack and the asshole? I had an exgirlfriend lick there once…

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Porcello,

Andrus, Niemann, Becks.

And nice work, Chiburb OPOS. Your new thread, as requested, and you don’t even show up.

Lastly, tagging Morel with a Teeeehan comp = Death of Morel Love. Just saying.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

I was here while you were still in the Arms Of Morpheus.

Didn’t want to rain on Kenwo’s parade.
;-)

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 16, 2009 7:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Beckham

Baily, Porcello, Niemann, Andrus

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 16, 2009 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Hopefully the White Sox sent out plenty of muffin baskets to the BWAA

Kind of like those “For your Consideration” ads you see in Variety around Oscar time.

by 67WMAQ on Nov 16, 2009 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

I am surprised with the lack of promos for Beckham

Needed a catchy promo like the Punch AJ vote

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 8:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Buck Up For Becks!

(And include the groin punch video. Big sympathy vote possible.)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

With the muffins

I hope they included mixtapes of “Your Love”

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

and "southern swoop" wigs

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

you were the muffin man?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Path of the Pros: Bobby Jenks
Selected by the Los Angeles Angels in the fifth round of the 2000 Draft, Jenks was one of the most promising — and puzzling — prospects to hit the baseball scene in the last decade. Listed at a mammoth 6-foot-3 and 275 pounds, the teenage Jenks stymied opposing batters with an intimidating frame and a fastball that consistently hit triple digits. But many scouts worried about Jenks’ makeup, citing his poor grades — he was academically ineligible three of his four high school years — and rural upbringing as evidence of a lack of discipline.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091113&content_id=7665162&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

how come Joba gets the love and not bobby?

Joba’s mother is going in the slammer. bobby just loves fried foods and booze. FTYankees and FNS.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

6-3, 275 is "mammoth"?

And since when is a college sheepskin a predictor of success in MLB? Sounds like they looked at him and thought “John Daly”.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Flag, sure.

Not the final decision-maker, though. I’d see how his drinking affected his school, and if his discipline was evident after his “recovery”. Plus, the “rural upbringing” seems to be a bit stereotypic in terms of a concern. Should just put “hayseed” or “hick” down in the report and be done with it. If it’s a concern it should be no different than a kid being drafted from the inner city. No big surpise that he should be watched/mentored more than other more culturally integrated kids.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

why is this an issue?

If the kid has talent, he has talent. This isn’t an issue in the NFL or NBA – most of these kids don’t have an actual HS education.

Look at the latin kids, do you think they all have discipline?!

You can’t get like John Paxson and just draft players from winning organizations or only draft players with high character – you gotta go for the talent and take the risk every once in a while.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

Dominican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan, Cuban, Panamanian, etc. They are latino, no?

On the whole they come from poor backgrounds along with poor educational backgrounds. Many do not speak English. There have been numerous stories reported about how many of them act when they are in the minors and lets just say their lives aren’t all that disciplined.

Do you disagree?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I see your point

but, I would make a judgement call on circumstances and talent before just passing on a player based on academics. The rural upbringing stuff that was mentioned is all crap to me.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

and the angels did. look where that got them.

i don’t want a person like that around my other 18 year olds. organizations are essentially unable to babysit to the level necessary for guys like jenks. i’d be far more inclined to be the one giving the second chance – particularly since i can put the guy at a level with more mature players. and i’ve got jack shit invested in him.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

absolutely

but a player with Bobby Jenks skill set doesn’t get cut loose too often.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

guys with great stuff and no control?

yeah. they do. what doesn’t happen too often is guys with 6+ BB/9 in the minors becoming good major league pitchers.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

good point

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not good enough,

not once the $ risk (miniscule) the Sox took is factored in. What’d we get him for, $25K waiver fee or something? I’d take that risk all day long. And so would you. Maybe not when the Angels took the risk, but when the Sox entered the picture.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

not good enough reading.
i’d be far more inclined to be the one giving the second chance – particularly since i can put the guy at a level with more mature players. and i’ve got jack shit invested in him.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah.

Do you think I have time to read every one of your 30K posts? ;0

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Are college players still prioritized

In more intelligent drafting organizations?

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Jenks and I prefer calling 'em spanish

We’s can’t spell all does big wordz

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This is a strange ethnocentric slant

Doing mediocre in high school in the United States vs. not having a school to go to are two different things, and Latino societies are a bit more communal than the United States so they will have support structures and basic communication skills/general human decency for the most part.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not being able to do mediocre in high school*

will still have*

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You didn't read the entire thread

The original post stated that scouts were worried about poor grades and a rural upbringing. I am stating that the majority of latino ballplayers were brought up poor and with little education. Therefore, stating in my opinion that the scouts view on a player like Bobby Jenks was crap.

Also, what is “general human decency”?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

got it, he didn't apply himself

He couldn’t qualify academically with even a passing grade. Maybe school wasn’t for him, or he decided to just blow it off because he was a rebel and didn’t care, or he was like many jocks and figured his talent would get him farther than any education.

Either way, you probably don’t draft him for your organization.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

One would think
WICHITA, Kan. — Wichita State outfielder Ken Williams Jr., son of Chicago White Sox general manager Ken Williams, was declared academically ineligible for the season Tuesday.

Williams, a junior who transferred from Arizona in August, will be able to practice with the team this spring, but can’t play or travel with the Shockers.

“It is terribly disappointing for all of us, including Kenny, but he’s just going to have to spend his time doing his best academically this spring and hopefully he will be ready to play next season,” coach Gene Stephenson said.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

from 2007

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That is hysterical.

Wonder if he was a Panther, too. Rec’d.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Jay walking character issue heritage

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

back in HS

yeah

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 16, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing its what Jenks doesn't have?

Its like “Character issues,” doesn’t mean anything.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

A diploma.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

west

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so much "rural" as it was "white supremacist."

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by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Who became a star on a team with an outspoken Latin manager and an outspoken black GM.

I’m sure scouts are looking for a baseline level of intelligence/discipline…because the league minimum salary can be deadly for someone who doesn’t know how to spend it.

by 67WMAQ on Nov 16, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Justified? Of course.

Deal-breaker? I guess not. Seems to have worked out.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Benson?

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

FCB

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 16, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

FEG

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

youre defending Cedric Benson?

the guy who is mad at the Bears for drafting him 4th overall? Yeah, those jerks.
Not his fault he was a total piece of shit getting hammered on a boat a couple times instead of staying in shape and playing hard.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

also

you’re a total dub ass for citing a false origin about Bacon.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

most footballers are as thick as pigshit

believe me I’ve met a few – doesn’t stop them playing well and earning more in a week than most people do in a year

by hoodlight on Nov 16, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the issue again is whether you would want to be the first person to give that guy a chance.

Hell at least Derrick Rose was smart enough to get someone to take his tests!

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly.

that at least required some effort and organization.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I like heroin dealers.

Very organized and focused. Sociopaths have no guilt, either, so I’d put them in a closer’s role. Short memory regarding failure.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Good deal

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference between urban and rural

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Him, or his awesome family.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

anderson, andrus, beckham

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

Liar.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

snider, snider, snider

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 10:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Actually, I think that was Dan Aykroyd’s laugh.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Beckham is oneloyaldawg's man

sox1 better watch out

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 12:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

sox1 hopes Beckham wins DOY, not ROY.

as in “Do”.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 16, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yes..he is

and i’m not too fond of sharing

Once a Dawg, Always a Dawg. How Sweet it is!

by oneloyaldawg on Nov 16, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If you had Nov. 16 in the "when will the first PK to LAA rumor surface" pool, you win!
SoxNet.net has learned that the Chicago White Sox have had preliminary discussions with the Anaheim Angels and San Diego Padres on a potential 3 way deal which would involve Paul Konerko, Adrian Gonzalez, and Angel and White Sox prospects. SoxNet.net is not aware of the specifics of the trade (ie, names of prospects and exact details as to how many prospects, etc) but the discussions are built on the Sox sending Konerko and prospects in-return for Adrian Gonzalez. The Angels would receive Konerko with the Padres receiving a combination of Sox and Angel prospects.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/soxnet/2009/11/report-sox-pads-angels-talking-three-way-deal-involving-konerko-gonzalez-and-prospects.html

Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.

by UribeAuction on Nov 16, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

No Kotchman, no deal

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

no get

why don’t the Angels just go for Gonzalez and leave the Sox out of it? If this is true I’m guessing our farm will end up looking like the ones that Steinbeck used to write about.

by hoodlight on Nov 16, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

who gives a fuck about the farm if you can get gonzalez

but this has as much chance of happening as u-god has of banging an actual female human.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 16, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

he might get some sympathy ass for his gnarly scar on his larry arm.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Kendry Morales will never amount to anything, that's why.

I started giggling at “has learned,” so I’m going to just sit back and watch this one play out.

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by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the great thing about rumors

they don’t need to be based on fact

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Fangraphs. It exists.

Not a rumour. ;)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

haha!

rumors = SB’s opinions

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 1:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe because they don't want to fleece their farm system to do it

and the Sox will.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be a GREAT move! Prospects and a 1B for a 1B!

Pass.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you really just write

A casual pass on possibly getting A Gonzalez? Pipe dream yes but pass no.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No lie, Bwana.

Chi = drunk. What prospects could we possibly package with Konerko to get Gonzo? Hudson? T-Flow? Shoot, I’d look long and hard at that.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I realize he is in Siberia

but dude’s OPS away from Petco was1.045 last year. We are talking about 6 WAR. Sweet dreams. But as Larry said why the hell would the Angels be worried about Konerko if AG is available?

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

SD doesn't want him in their (marketing) backyard?

Stretch….Nah, I have no idea.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

A Gonz is an istant BEAST the second he gets out of Petco.

But this is all a bunch of preposterous BS.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 16, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It's updated ... with awesomeness.

“…combined with the fact that Danks would fill a major long-term need for the club (potential top of the order hitter and premium defensive OF’er).”

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

So maybe KW WAS fluffing Jordy...

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave Cameron is not naive

He’s pretty much a legend.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I must state again that they're just preliminary talks, larry.

They could very well include Linebrink, Gary Matthews Jr., and the Ghost of Gene Mauch riding piggyback on the Ghost of Eric Show. It’s just in the preliminary stage.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

...and Ray Kroc?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, Joanie was a piece of tail in the day.

Ask Chiburb. He, Joan Kroc, and Gloria Swanson hung out together watching Mae West shows.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure how this flopped? (cheese and pineapple - brilliant!)
However one of his most famous flops was the Hulaburger, which consisted of a slice of grilled pineapple, with some cheese, on a bun. This was to appeal to Catholics who gave up beef during Lent.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Just beef.

 Catholics can, however, eat chicken, veal, lamb, buffalo, venison, alligator, and—under a little-known technicality dating to the creation of the earliest Southern U.S. Catholic dioceses—chicken-fried steak.

by expatnyc on Nov 16, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I did not know this

I was hypnotized into eating fish only…phuck.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Chicken-fried steak.

I believe Jesus had this at His last meal. And since the apostles all ate Him, at some point, they also dug on the CFS.

It’s in the Bible.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

he didn't break bread with the apostles

he passed around a basket of onion rings and got pissed at Peter for not bringing any Tabasco.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I smoked weed with a guy that looked kinda like Ray Kroc

so I can corroborate on that report.

waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007

by soxshenanigans on Nov 16, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

rofl

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 16, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You interperet my source wrong.

SouthSideSox has exclusive rights to Figgins now. I only wonder what Colin will do with him.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.

by UribeAuction on Nov 16, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

My source seems reliable.

The words “clubhouse cancer” were thrown around a lot when discussing larry.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.

by UribeAuction on Nov 16, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

this is a "rec the whole thread situation"

and I was slightly saddened that Bacon didn’t win, but then I remembered that Podsednistic won one.

And I was slightly cheered again

id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.

-BoeJouma

by blackoutsox on Nov 16, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Tim Dierkes has confirmed

all of this and that guy’s word is gold.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

he did say i was SSS' worst contract

and U-god was the best. he may be good with rumors but he shouldn’t analyze.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe you are not the worst.

shaftr is the worst. You occasionally produce some value.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

because of the incentives?

yeah, I might have to agree with him. Your contract had way too many incentives and escalator clauses…plus the pie in the face antics have to stop larry.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

nice run boys

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Coop can fix him

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

what does fangraph indicate?

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why I don't have a site

I don’t have the time to develop this extensive network of sources.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a site that attracts eyeballs.

Fixed.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Hold up!

“Another person is indicating that he’s hearing that Sox deal would be centered around Konerko, Hudson, and a young centerfielder (presumably Jordan Danks).

This is not from our source, rather another person on the web indicating they’ve heard similar info."

Hey. I’m a person on the Web!

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Kate Hudson?

Perez Hilton reads SSS!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Some SI love for Becks (though only one columnist):
David Sabino: Gordon Beckham, White Sox.
One of about a dozen candidates with no clear frontrunner, my nod goes to Beckham, who sparked Chicago’s offense after seizing the starting job at the hot corner. Among his league’s rookies, he was first in RBIs (63), second in home runs (14), tied for second in hits (102) and first in extra-base hits (43). Honorable mention to pitchers Porcello of the Tigers (14 wins), Bailey (26 saves) of the Athletics and Tampa Bay’s Jeff Niemann (13 wins).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/11/12/experts.awards.picks/2.html#ixzz0X39DpTNI

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

blah blah fangraphs blah blah measly hot corner

i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 16, 2009 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bailey Wins With Saves.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Where have you been.

Halloween led directly into Christmas shopping this year. Eff Thanksgiving. Shut up and BUY, Pilgrim.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

halladay? holliday?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Beckham finishes fifth.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

not even close...well at least we'll get Pods for MVP.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Oakland reliever Andrew Bailey won the award and received 13 first-place ballots on a 5-3-1 point system. Baily was named on 24 of 28 ballots and finished with 88 points. Texas shortstop Elvis Andrus placed second, followed by pitchers Rick Porcello of Detroit and Jeff Niemann of Tampa Bay.

Beckham received two second-place ballots and four third-place votes.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/white-soxs-gordon-beckham-finishes-fifth-in-american-league-rookie-of-the-year.html

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

All 4 were playing on the opening day rosters

Beckham didn’t show up until June.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The Sox should have started tanking a lot earlier, dang it!

"One more game and then we can blow this son of a b@#$* up!" - Hawk Harrelson on his thoughts regarding the Metrodome

by tailgater on Nov 17, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Im on record as saying he was ready opening day.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Cue the

Bozo’s Circus bucket music.

by ballyb on Nov 16, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Bullshit!!!

Would have been nice for Becks, but he probably didn’t deserve it.

Not sure why Bailey was chosen over Porcello or Andrus.

FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009

by rhythm on Nov 16, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

Look at it this way

Frank Thomas was the Sox last real impact rookie with a shot at the award, he missed out mainly because he didn’t play the full season…

You know who else didn’t win rookie of the year?… Hitler!

by The Cheat on Nov 16, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Did it exist at that time?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Fangraphs has always existed

Like Mother Nature and the Matrix

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

It's all starting to make sense now!

I’m guessing that Eckersley won the ROY over Thomas, thus the world has come full circle. The apocalypse is upon us!

Start praying now, you pack of non-believing a-holes!

Oh, and I forgot to add the ;) in the subject of my previous post.

FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009

by rhythm on Nov 16, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Godwin'd

Jeff Francouer didn’t win it either!

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Can anyone be this good?

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

shouldn't the headline at the top read:

“Agassi and Crystal Meth in Flushing”?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh, that is delicious.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Always rec the Hitler jokes.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

This has the makings of Hideo Nomo v. Chipper Jones ROY in 1995

Bailey will turn into a Japanese man and Beckham will impregnate a Hooter’s waitress on his way to an MVP season

"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH

by Illini0509 on Nov 16, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Bai-ley becomes Bai-ree?

Berieve it!

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

bailey summary might explain the choice

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009…ds.picks/2.html

Tom Verducci: Andrew Bailey, A’s.
I really like what Elvis Andrus did at shortstop for the Rangers, but it’s tough to get past that OPS+ of 82. Bailey of Oakland gets the call for a phenomenal, if overlooked, season. In the DH era, only two pitchers ever posted a lower WHIP when pitching as many innings as Bailey did: Pedro Martinez (2000) and Jeff Zimmerman (1991). And Bailey is only the league’s sixth closer in the DH era to get 25 saves (he had 26) with an ERA 1.84 or better and at least 80 innings pitched — the first to do it in 19 years. Major league hitters batted .167 against him, including .081 with two outs and runners in scoring position.

by Asfan4ever723 on Nov 16, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

Sure, you can prove anything with statistics. Doesn't make it right....clearly.

;)

FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009

by rhythm on Nov 16, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Since I just looked at you name and realized you're an A's fan, my comment roughly translates to this:

Good point.

Although I’d like to know what his leverage index and overall wins come out to, but I’ll just look them up on fangraphs because it exists.

FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009

by rhythm on Nov 16, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

You da man.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Tigers jut can't catch a break this season

I thought it was going to be Porcello

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Nov 16, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

Of course Bailey won

He’s grindy.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 16, 2009 3:05 PM CST reply actions  

Fuck Seattle. I had to remove my outer shirt at work today due to a stain, and underneath, I've got on a dagotee.

So someone said something and I said, “well at least you aren’t wearing a dagotee to work.”

“A what??”

NOBODY in my office has ever even heard the term “dagotee.”

So after explaining that it was synonomous with “wifebeater,” I got called racist.

Fuck this sensitive, uptight, uber-white, greenpeace hippie place.
I’m moving home.

by homesickalien on Nov 16, 2009 4:32 PM CST reply actions  

E.T., Phone Home.

plus, I don’t know that it is kosher to be serving Tall Skim Mocha Carmel Machiato light whip’s extra room in a wifebeater. Corporate probably wouldn’t approve. ;)

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No?

The fish market?
Fraiser’s Radio station? Do you know Roz?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ray Kroc wants those socks by Thursday.

and his Snickers come with a fork and knife.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Mrs. e-gus is from Seattle.

I had to teach her all the racial slurs.
It was fun.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

so they think "wifebeater" is ok? what a bunch of mysoginist pigs.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't imagine that HSA would engender hostility in the workplace.

Can’t imagine that at all.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

No Italians down here.

That’s a Nor’Easterner there, Studded Tongue Boy. Know your ethnic references, fer Chrissakes.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I know.

The “wifebeater” reference is generally aimed at my people (Dago tee), yes? There are few of us down here. It is a Northeastern-referenced term (Italians in NY, e.g.).

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Dago tee = "wifebeater".

Come on now – this is ancient. From Wiki:

Also known as a tank top, wife beater, beater, Italian dinner jacket, Guinea tee or Dago tee (from guinea and dago, ethnic slurs against Italians),

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

and they're called tank tops because of italian mechanics?

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Italian war heroes.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

NIAF.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

You are all wrong

Beckham was the best rookie this year on a CONTENDING TEAM eat it

YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions

by Czheck on Nov 16, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions  

you're right. the barons were in contention right up until the end.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 16, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck Seattle. I had to remove my outer shirt at work today due to a stain and, underneath, I'm wearing a dago tee.

So someone said something and I said, "Well, at least you aren’t wearing a dago tee to work."

"A what??"

NOBODY in my office had ever even heard the term "dago tee".

So, after explaining that it was synonymous with "wife beater", I got called racist.

Fuck this sensitive, uptight, über white, Greenpeace, hippie place.

I’m moving home.

all fixed.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

By the by, who made the stain?

Did Bill Clinton pay you a visit?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

isn't it

“wife beater,”

?

i fucking hate quotes and accompanying punctuation. it just looks weird no matter what.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

and you're fucking wrong.

we had to send cheat back to college – maybe you should go back, too. easy way out of seattle.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i feel like we'd make off better if you'd marry some made guy

and start running your own bar.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

she's in her mid-20s.

old maid. no one wants someone that dried up.

by larry on Nov 16, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If she can't hide a pit bloodstain,

she’s useless to a made guy.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

No way

Henry Hill, Jimmy Conway or Tommy Two-Times marryies a girl that can’t handle this simple task without drawing attention to herself. She’d easily fold under questioning.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Nov 16, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Like Henry Hill

never had a nosebleed he didn’t know about

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I do it larry's way out of aesthetic preference

I could give two shits what’s “right”. and I’m sure larry reads MLA, so we’re good i’m sure.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Could've sworn that

what’s "right". and
is not right.

Period goes inside the quote, non? When did this change? That’s how it was throughout my entire schooling.

by homesickalien on Nov 16, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Just go back to Chicago.

Too much polishing needed to stay out there. Freud would say you are already mutilating yourself, unconsciously. Heed the warnings before you lop off something valuable.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 16, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually do distinguish

between quotations and using quotes to signify emphasis of a particular word/phrase, fwiw. and i was taught what you were taught. so…

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 16, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck Seattle!

Fixed even more

signature

by billyok on Nov 16, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

So how much does a Gordon Beckham rookie card cost now?

and what brand should I go after?

id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.

-BoeJouma

by blackoutsox on Nov 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

WTGTD dont know why its Bacon.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 17, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

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