This Month in White Sox Minor League Baseball
by larry on Nov 21, 2009 4:34 PM CST
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Today was the Arizona Fall League Championship game between the Phoenix Desert Dogs and Peoria Javelinas, for whom White Sox prospects play. The Javelinas won 5-4. AFL batting champion Brent Morel had a good game, going 2-4. Jordan Danks continued his struggles with pitches inside, grounding out to the right side on such pitches three times. He did draw a walk, finishing 0-4. But C.J. "Stumpy" Retherford was the hero. He drove in Morel on a fielder's choice for the first Javelinas run and then hit an absolute bomb to left field in the 8th to give them a lead they wouldn't relinquish.
RHP Sergio Santos, the recently converted SS, made an appearance. As expected, the control was spotty - one of his strikeouts also hit the batter - and the results were rather typical (1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 BB, 2 K) but he flashed a very nice slider and the fastball velocity looked very good.
In other news:
- Video from the AFL, including Retherford, Morel and Danks.
- The White Sox added five to the 40 man roster, thus protecting these players from next month's Rule 5 Draft. Phil Rogers' favorite OF Stefan Gartrell was added; with the outfield situation uncertain at this point, he was a reasonable use of space, though he strikes me as an AAAA player at best. RHP Brandon Hynick, who came over in the Contreras trade, was also protected. Of all the adds, he was the likeliest to actually be picked considering he is the closest to major league ready. Raw RHP Sergio Santos is another reasonable addition. His potential is tremendous and, as he's new to pitching, you don't know when things may click. RHP Santo Luis will be 26 next season and it will be his first time above A ball. I suppose he does have a nice strikeout rate. SouthSideSox had been hearing that RHP Brian Omogrosso tore his labrum so, if that's the case, I'm not sure why he was protected since another team couldn't stash him on the DL all year. Perhaps he's healthier than that or perhaps the White Sox see this as an irrelevant move since they have plenty of roster room and they can put him on the DL all year and, if so, would be able to get another option year.
- Potentially notable non-additions are 2006 waste of a first round pick Kyle McCulloch and John Shelby. But I wouldn't be too concerned.
- Minor league free agency began. Notable filings: Ehren Wassermann, David Cook and Fernando Hernandez. But I wouldn't be too concerned.
- Lists season is in full swing. BP's Kevin Goldstein published his. No real surprises on it, as one could expect an analyst who favors tools to rank Jared Mitchell and Trayce Thompson higher than most.
- You can keep track of all the White Sox players in winter ball here. Not much has changed since last post: Jon Link still walking too many and Clevelan Santeliz is still striking out many. Jhonny Nunez has begun playing for Licey in the Dominican Winter League so he's another to watch.
This will probably be the last front page update post until March. Check out the right sidebar for the Minor League Update fanpost, which will probably be around in one form or another for most/all of the offseason. And you can follow me on Twitter @SouthSidelarry.
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Why not until March?
Isn’t there Venezuelan Winter Ball to be discussed?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 21, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions
It was nice to see these guys live today.
CJ doesn’t ‘look’ like a ballplayer but he sure plays like one. He could be a handy utility replacement for Nix and or Teahen in 2011 or sooner if Nix continues to struggle with the bat. Morel and Danks do look like ballplayers and it appears they have some game too. I like Morel’s approach, stance and swing. I suspect he will force Viciedo to 1b sometime next year. Danks could use a good hitting coach, maybe the best place for him is in Charlotte for a year with Ward.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
you could recap the months of july, august, september and october for the white sox.
i’ve done my part.
And Lord help those that missed a word.
But seriously, thank you.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 21, 2009 6:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Phil rogers
I know it means nothing…..but he has an article in today’s trubune speculating where the 2010 class of free agents will land……he has the white sox inking matsui to a two -year deal….anyone here see this as a legit possibility kenny is hoping that somehow the market for figgins flattens and he can get him on an affordable deal….
3b figgins
2b beckham
lf quentin
1b konerko
Dh matsui
Cf rios
C aj
Ss alexei
Rf teahen
by stanchar on Nov 22, 2009 6:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Matsui would make sense if KW decides he wants a DH.
Solid Lefty bat and his agent is Arn Tellem, a friend of Reinsdorf. Tellem is also Vizquel’s agent.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
I don't see how Matsui would be affordable enough to fit in
Plus he sort of limits the team defensively. Call me crazy, but if you want a cheap lefty DH you should look no further than Nick Johnson or bring back Thome.
by Can I Kick It? on Nov 22, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
because DH's play defense
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
i think he means
that with matsui, you can only dh him. if you want to give someone else a day at dh, matsui needs to ride the bench. while this is also true of thome, johnson can play first as well as dh, and this gives some roster flexibility.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
That and also
If you want someone that plays DH-only, don’t you want to pay less money than what Matsui is likely to get? The Sox don’t have a ton to spend and the money they do have should likely be focused on other positions.
by Can I Kick It? on Nov 22, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
oh my bad
I see now
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
Game 6 of the World Series probably got him 25-50% more from this FA market
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
from a comment in the trib
The HR that Retherford hit was one of the best sounding home runs that I have ever heard.
i’m going to have to go ahead and disagree here. i believe i have heard a lot better sounding home runs. now, maybe it was because i was in a relatively small stadium, but one of the best i remember hearing was a ball that ross gload hit for charlotte at victory stadium in indianapolis back when it was still the home of the milwaukee brewers triple A team.
ok, well gload’s “hit” was not actually a home run but it was about a 400 foot fly out, but the dimensions of that field are really very large and it probably would have been a home run in a lot of other stadiums and it was also louder than a lot of home runs i have seen.
perhaps if i had heard gload’s ball on television instead of from about 72 feet away i would have a different opinion on this matter. i guess it’s just one of those things i’ll never be able to know.
good times.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
to be fair..
the commenter probably didn’t witness the Gload fly out.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
also, it is my judgment that
there was nothing grindy about his home run pose.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
Oooo ooooo oooretherford!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Nov 22, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
good read from doug glanville about the free agent process from the player's perspective (and not really a good player, either).
interesting read.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/free-at-last/
and now byrd is a free agent leaving texas
full circle
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Nov 22, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately for Byrd he's actually had more than 1 productive season
Yay Arlington
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Is Tea-bag really going to play 3rd?
The White Sox, major-league sources say, are considering a wide variety of possibilities, knowing they can move Teahen to first base or right field. Sox GM Ken Williams, however, said Friday that he “loves Teahen at third”, adding that while he will never say never to possible adjustments, he remains committed to his original plan.
Still, offseason plans are subject to change.
If, for example, the White Sox add a third baseman, Teahen could replace free agent Jermaine Dye in right. The same goes if they add a second baseman; Gordon Beckham could stay at third.
Finally, Teahen could take over at first if the White Sox trade Paul Konerko or make him a designated hitter.
“His preference obviously is to play third base — that’s where he is most comfortable,” said Teahen’s agent, Jeff Berry. “(But) he does bring flexibility to any team.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10357594
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
A St. Petersberg Ray's writer
says the Sox are interested in B.J.Upton. Maybe he and Jenks could be the main players in some sort of deal. I don’t think that’s beyond the realm of possibility. Also, Fox Sport’s Bob Klapisch also thinks Matsui is coming to Chicago.
if we have any shot at Upton
we are sending money along with Bobby. so we have no shot at Upton.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
If they have any shot at Upton
I probably won’t want it to happen.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 22, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
OR prospect(s).
I could see Kenny pursuing an outfield of Quentin/Upton/Rios.
he's been a league average hitter and a +10 in CF through his age 24 season
there’s a ton to like there.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
You sure about that league average hitter?
Methinks Tampa may be getting tired of him. I wanna say he has some personality quirks.
yes i'm sure he's been a league average hitter.
look it up.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
He is your basic scout's dream.
They just might jump on Jenks and Flowers. And what if Mr. Friedman says….“take Navarro and you have a deal, Mr. Williams?”
we're still sending significant money in that scenario.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Eh.
I didn’t look to see what Navarro’s making….hmm…2.1 last year…..he’ll make 2.5….so…..about 4-5 mil difference…..say we agree to throw in 2 mil….good ol’ Jer tells Kenny OK….very interesting……
Talk English lar.
I think you mean Jenks. Well, I didn’t say I’d do this if I were Friedman. I’m just taking off on possibilities after reading the rumor on MLBTradeRumors.com. If I were him, I’d see if maybe I can entice someone like Rafael Soriano cheaply. Who knows? But maybe there’s a one in a million chance he has a hard-on for fat closers named Jenks, and it just so happens they’re sick of Upton….this is what we do with extra time in November, lar…..
Actually, if I were Friedman,
I’d try and see if I can rip off the Royals for Soria.
At some point, though...
they have to spend some fuckin’ money.
if you wouldn't do it if you were Friedman
then what’s the point?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
surplus value = value in excess of what he's paid
Jenks is going to get 7-10M and that’s right around where he should be paid, perhaps a little more considering it’s a 1 year deal.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
TB wwouldn't take Jenks without the Sox throwing in $5M
My guess as to what it would take to get Upton:
Thornton, Flowers, Hudson, and another reliever prospect.
You aren’t going to get Upton for junk — any trade for him is going cause some pain.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 22, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
we're talking one in a million chances.
i’m concerned about the cell’s vulnerability to meteorites. KW and JR cry poor while we’re sitting in seats totally exposed. unbelievable.
uh, this is BJ we're talking about, not Justin.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
i'd do it.
upton would be a nice addition. he’s a young dude i feel he has a lot of upside to him. he’s still only 25. he’s got speed, power and has excellent defense… him, rios and quentin would make a pretty fine outfield. remember how he single handedly kicked our hienie’s in the alds a few years ago. i like him.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I'd like to have him too.
no way in hell I give up that much to get him.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
i don't think it is going to take that much to get him.
i’m not one to hold onto prospects though. I’ve seen too many hyped up sox prospects suck to value them as much as some of you guys do.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I might give up the 2 prospects for him.
Not Thornton and those 2.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
oh no i agree.
if we have to give up thornton… i am not too keen on giving up either of those 2. I would be ok with the younger danks though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Probably not the Rays.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 22, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Watching Danks in the championship game, he had the exact same output when I saw him trying to rebound from the wrist injury in August — a walk, groundouts to the right side, and flyouts to the opposite field.
Those outcomes were the hallmark of a certain Darin Erstad in 2007. Grinderstad was second on the team in 4-3s in his only season on the South Side despite missing roughly half the year, and he was tied for third in groundouts to first. When he hit the ball in the air, a vast majority of them ended up left of center.
Watching Danks from the center field cam instead of from the side, that’s who he reminded me of, which isn’t good. Especially since Erstad once had good bat speed, but lost it as age and injuries took their toll. If Danks can be busted with fastballs in — just like Ryan Sweeney, and just like Jerry Owens if you want to keep it to age-relevant types — it’s going to be an uphill climb.
The good news is that Danks handled all chances in center with ease, even with the dreaded high sky causing problems for others. He also can take a pitch, and when you package it all together, you get a guy who can be useful. He’s just not a bat anybody should be counting on.
http://soxmachine.com/soxmachine/2009/11/23/arizona-fall-league-wrap-up/
high sky? psshhh
he moves the cosmos
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
I would only trade Thorton and those 2
for Tony Pena
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
disagree
hes still young, relatively cheap, and cost controlled for a few more years with potential. he had shoulder surgery last off-season after a huge playoff run. We wont be able to acquire him without giving up a lot of value. Theyll want Flowers as a starting point im sure, and im not sure if we have anything else theyd want outside of some of our young SP.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
omogrosso
It turned out that he required some surgery on his right shoulder. He had been feeling tightness in the back of his shoulder beginning in early June, and he figured it was something he could simply fight through.
The shoulder never healed, and it got to the point where he wasn’t even throwing between starts. He was shut down at the end of June with the surgery following at the end of July.
"It ended up being a little clean-up in the shoulder," said Omogrosso. "I’m already throwing again, and I’ll be a hundred percent by spring training."
Best MVP argument ever
Why he’ll win: He’s Jeter. Winning is what he does
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
gotta love mlb.com
and their expert analysis.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Just for the record...
Jake Peavy was in my hometown this weekend because he’s hunting in the area. There was an autograph signing with him, Boo Weekley, and Charlie O’Brien on Saturday night. I got a baseball signed and I got my picture taken with him. Not only that, he went to the bars uptown afterwards and I had the opportunity to hang out with him for a little while, chat, and have a few drinks. He was a really nice guy and we talked about the team a little bit. Apparently, according to Jake, the Adrian Gonzalez rumors are true. I’ll take his word for it. If it was coming from Alex Rios I wouldn’t take it seriously, but since Jake was still on the same team as Gonzalez as recently as July, and probably has the guy in his cell phone, I assume he has more info than others would.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams
by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 8:28 AM CST reply actions
Boo Weekly gets top billing?
Nice priorities in your home town. You need to go Hoodie on their a$$e$ and tell them what time it is. If he can do it from England you can do it from Bumble-eff Egypt. Boo Weekly!!! WTF?
;)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
No no, don't worry...
All the advertising prior to this event made it clear that Jake was the star. Not too many people cared about Boo Weekley being there. He was nice though. Jake and I talked about a whole bunch of different stuff. I’m trying to decide if I should do a fanpost for it or not. I have a bunch of good quotes from him.
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams
by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
This is FanPost-worthy, yes.
It’s the offseason, fer Chrissakes. We need content.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
agreed
id like to hear some of the conversation and whether or not peavy loves beckham as much as we do.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Here's the link to my fanpost...
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/11/23/1170225/my-evening-with-jake-peavy
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams
by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely post it.
Heck, continue the conversation here, as far as I’m concerned. Anything is good at this point (before larry starts posting recipes).
quit bitchin
you got plenty of cj retherford talk.
dead horse stew
its delicious.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Bassahi - Horse Meat Burger Recipe
Ingredients
Restaurant Style Sesame Seed Hamburger Buns
1 LB Ground Horse Meat
Mayonnaise
Fresh Sliced Mushrooms
Slices of Swiss Cheese
1 Onion
1/2 LB Bacon
A1 Steak Sauce
Lee Pearson’s Worshire Sauce
Lettuce
Tomato Slices
Preparation
1-Lightly Toast Burger Buns.
2-Place Meat In Large Mixing Bowl.
3-Cut Onion In 1/2
4-Take one half of onion and chop finely.
5-Place Chopped Onion in Mixing Bowl with Horse Meat.
6-Take other half of onion and Slice Onion Slices.
7-Take 1/2 Cup Of Lee Pearson Worshire Sauce A Place In Mixing Bowl.
8-Knead, and Mix Meat, Onion, & Sauce.
9-Form Medium Thickness Horse Meat Patties Out Of Mixture & Cook.
10-Saute’ Onion Slices & Mushrooms On Stove Top.
11-Place Meat Patties On Bun & Top With Onion Slices, & Other Ingredients.
12-Top inside of bun with mayonnaise, and A1 sauce.
by larry on Nov 23, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
am i da man?
rj’s take on visquel possibly coming to southside
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 AM CST reply actions
You are not da man.
You are The Man. Thx.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
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