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Thirteen of the 17 players who led a league in O.P.S. from 1946 through 1970 eventually made the Hall of Fame. (The exceptions were Dick Allen, Bob Allison, Norm Cash and Al Rosen.)

Since my last FanShot on the same subject was so popular I thought I'd Andy Kaufman it and keep repeating until I have thoroughly pissed off my audence. And screw Bob Allison, Norm Cash, and Al Rosen. Oh, and FRN and FKL.

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which douche?

there were a few

Lurking since 2006

by boyonthedock on Nov 22, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

spot on

you mighta coulda meant the pot leaf t shirt guy. I found that kid to be one of the most sympathetic characters in the movie though, just awkward and not reaching the Matty Mc levels of douchery. The worst part about that character was his deeply unfortunate hair. Lincecum as well.

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by boyonthedock on Nov 22, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Allen was easily the best of the 4 and like Jim Rice, was not a friend of the baseball writers.

I think he belongs in the hall of fame.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

if you think allen deserves it, they better put in a whole bunch of guys who were better first.

i suppose it depends upon how “big” one thinks the hall should be.

by larry on Nov 22, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok with me

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Longevity hurt Allen.

Had he been able to play a few more years to pad his hall numbers, he would have been a lock. Of the corner infielders I saw play that are in the hall, I would put Allen at least equal if not ahead of Stargell, Cepeda, Perez and Brooks Robinson. Robinson was unique, making it primarily because of defense, so he’s probably not comparable. You’re right about peak years performance. He was dominant at his position in his era. I hate like hell to say it but that’s why I think Santo probably deserves it too. Although, Allen is far more deserving than Santo, imo.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This.

Although it was a “dearth” of longevity. I agree with every word other than that.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 22, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I tentatively put myself in the Allen in the hall camp

(nearly said Dick in the hall, thought otherwise of the phrasing). When I first discovered him I thought he was a no doubter, then as I read more about him I’m less certain. There was a pretty damning article written by Bill James about him that made me think twice. But for now, until I delve in farther, I think he deserves to be in the hall considering some of the people in

by jeeves on Nov 22, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that Bill James, who has made his living using statistics to measure baseball players achievement and worth

 would choose to ignore those stats when it came to Allen. He did nothing but rip his personality and “attitude” in that article which was both completely out of charachter and vindictive of him. In that article, James said Allen clearly had a case for the hall based on his numbers. Fuck Bill James.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what gave me pause for concern

the fact that James, of all people, filled a full article with negativity. I wasn’t alive when Allen played so I can only go off of secondhand accounts and that was pretty damning.

by jeeves on Nov 22, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Quitting on a team is pretty bad.

Blyleven’s paid dearly for it.

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by Sox Machine on Nov 22, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if you consider some of the people in

you could justify just about anyone.

by larry on Nov 22, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who would you put in ahead of Allen?

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a very unimpressive list.

The only one you named that played the same positions as Allen was Santo and he was not in the same class as Allen.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

uh huh.

exactly why allen shouldn’t be in.

by larry on Nov 22, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

obviously

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blyleven is terrible

obviously

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 24, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

saddens my dad to no end that tram and sweet lou

aren’t in the hall

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

quick googling brings up

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=11&id=2065

i just read the first two pages, but it seems like there was a lot that was overblown plus some racial overtones to the whole thing.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd prefer it

if instead you would read the great gatsby for us.

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Nov 22, 2009 5:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

(Gatsby, Gatsby. I know I’ve seen that group somewhere…)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 22, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kaufman is much better to watch in clips in retrospect

than to actually sit through his schtick live. You know there was that commercial where its like “jordan changed sports” and “Pryor changed comedy” kaufman really actually changed comedy.

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by boyonthedock on Nov 22, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is rolling over in his grave if he's reading that.

The whole “schtick” was to wear down his audience and test boundaries. You don’t get it in clips.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 22, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I said he actually changed comedy, and he did it by testing a barrier

i guess schtick is a derogatory term, but i didn’t mean it as such. I’d rather laugh at this guys balls to perform it in front of an audience that hates it so that i might laugh. his comedy was excellent on a conceptual level, i just wouldn’t want to be at a zmuda show. Do you get what I mean? I’d rather watch him test other peoples boundaries than have my own tested?

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by boyonthedock on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

of course.

it’s not usually funny when it’s you that is the butt of the joke.

by larry on Nov 22, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Allen - most talented, yes, HOF not sure...

Dick Allen was #1 in OPS for 4 out of 8 years, 2 in the NL and 2 in the AL, and in 72 Sox fans like myself (ones who went to lots of games) saw time and again that many nights it was like he was playing on one level and everyone else, including Charley O’s A’s (Reggie Jackson, Joe Rudi, and company) were playing something much less.

Imagine Frank Thomas of the mid 90’s only with gold glove abilities and a great baserunner (19 stolen and 37 hrs in 1972).

Did he play on a series of meh (Phillies, etc.) or good teams having a bad year (St. Louis)? Sure, and he didn’t always handle it well. In the end he was great for 8 to 10 (and four of those he had only 450 ABs or less) years which, from my way of thinking isn’t the kind of longevity that gets you in.

Best natural all tools player I’ve ever seen.

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Nov 22, 2009 9:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well put, I agree with your summary.

If he had played another couple of years, he would have had the numbers for sure. On a pure talent level, he was one of the best who ever played.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 22, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the hall of fame has become a joke in my mind.

No sweet lou whitaker, no albert belle= no kenwo support.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

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