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My Evening With Jake Peavy

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 It's hunting season again in my small mid-western town, and around this time of the year we usually have several athletes who come to the area to hunt. Former major league catcher Charlie O'Brien usually organizes some kind of autograph session every year during this period as a fundraiser for local athletics. This year they had Wayne Krenchicki, Boo Weekley, Jake Peavy, and of course Charlie O'Brien. And since Peavy was traded to the White Sox this past season I was especially looking forward to meeting him and getting his autograph.

I threw on my Freddy Garcia jersey and headed over to the elementary school gymnasium where the event was taking place. I got in line and about half an hour later the guys showed up and sat down at the table they had set up. Jake was about 15 minutes late, and after he'd arrived they began signing and taking pictures. After a few minutes it was finally my turn and I made my way up to the table. I really didn't care about anyone else up there so I focused my attention on Jake. I had been to Spring Training back in March and I had a baseball with a bunch of signatures already on it, including Quentin, Danks, Beckham, and Flowers. So I brought that same baseball with me for Jake to sign.

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I handed the ball to him and said hello. I thanked him for accepting the trade to Chicago and told him that I was really looking forward to having him pitch for us. I asked how his ankle was feeling, and he told me that he was at 100% now. My friend Shawn asked how he was feeling about pitching at U.S. Cellular Field in comparison to PETCO Park, to which he replied, "Christ...I'm gonna have to keep the f*cking ball down." Mark Buehrle has a cabin and hunting land just across the river from here near Louisiana, MO, so I asked Jake if he knew that Mark hunts in the area as well. He said he was aware and that Mark's place is about 45 minutes away. I thanked him again and shook his hand before getting my picture taken with him and getting that autographed as well.

 At this point I was pretty satisfied with the experience, so I dropped off my camera, baseball, and autographed picture at my house and headed uptown with a couple of my friends for a few beers. We're going from bar to bar kicking back a few brews at a time. Finally we head into a bar called "The Brickyard" and sitting there at a table with a couple other guys is Jake Peavy. I'm still wearing my Sox jersey at this point and I didn't want to come across as an annoying fan, so I didn't make a big deal out of it. I went up to the bar, got a Miller Lite, and sat at a booth on the other side of the room. Jake is drinking cocktails and doing shots, and occasionally people are coming up to him and talking to him for a bit. After a few beers I finally convince myself that I'll regret it if I don't at least try to talk to him a little.

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 So I grab my beer and casually head over to his table. He looks up at me and we shake hands. I introduce myself again and I start having a very casual conversation with him. I ask where he's hunting at and if he's had any luck so far. Apparently he was doing quite well. At this point a Pizza Hut delivery guy shows up with four large pizzas and delivers them to Jake's table. All the people around him start digging in while Jake and I keep talking. He grabs a slice of pizza and is eating it off and on while we're talking. I ask him if he's all settled in with the rest of the team. He says that he is and that, "They're a good group of guys." I mention all of the rumors about him going to the Cubs and ask how he felt about eventually winding up with the team on the other side of town. He smiled, shook his head, and said, "I'd much rather play for a blue collar team like the Sox." (Inside I was doing a massive fist pump.) He added that he "wanted to go to a team where winning was the priority."

Once again, I told him that I was looking forward to having him at the top of our starting rotation and that our pitching was going to be really awesome. He nodded and said, "Not too many people around the league know about Danks and Floyd, but they're great." He took a quick drink, and without me bringing up anything about it said, "We're trying to get Adrian Gonzalez right now too." I was like..."Really? I heard about that, but didn't know if it was true." He nodded and took another drink. After that I told him that I didn't want to bother him too much, thanked him for the conversation, and went back to my booth. I had another beer and about 30 minutes later my friends and I decided to leave. On my way out I approached him again, shook his hand, and told him to have a good night. His final words to me were, "Hey man, it was a pleasure meeting you."

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 I'm sure there are some things about the meeting that I might be forgetting. I've tried to remember as much as I can, but I was also slightly buzzed at the time. If you have any questions on things we might've talked about go ahead and post them and I'll try to remember if they were discussed. I just thought you guys might enjoy my story. It was certainly a thrill for me and a really memorable night. Jake was a really nice and classy guy, and he seems to be genuinely looking forward to pitching for the White Sox.

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fantastic fanpost

enjoy the front page

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

good call

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

That's an honor, sir.

Thank you very much

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

you wrote a damn good article

and being called sir by someone older than you feels weird

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but...

you have more authority around here than I do.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

i’m hoping peavy swings through chambana again this winter

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

If he does...

or if any Sox player is in your area over the winter, send me a message and let me know. I have some friends over there I could stay with and I’d love to meet some of the other guys.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

sure thing

kick me an e-mail

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

how does this trash get front paged?

We don’t need psychotic fans weirding our #1 pitcher and off-season free agent signing!!!

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Great job.

Good info re: Gonzalez and Jake being concerned about The Cell. Damn straight he’d better keep the f**king ball down.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 10:23 AM CST reply actions  

how do we know that this guy doesn't run soxnet.net?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

great to see

a big time athlete NOT being a dick about fans talking to him. Also, its not surprising that KW is trying to acquire Gonzalez, as Im sure a bunch of teams are trying to acquire a guy whos going to make 10 mil total over the next two seasons.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM CST reply actions  

I can assure you Peave was annoyed.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You may not understand this...

but some people don’t automatically anoy someone by talking to them. It sounds like this young man was very respectful and appreciative of Peavy’s time.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

WTGTD only has his own frame of reference -

the one that says that everyone that is engaged in a spontaneous conversation by him immediately wants to be somewhere else.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

good one WU... with that being said...

I bet if you candidly asked Jake what he thought of his encounter with s2bs, he would say he was annoyed.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet not.

There are a-holes who are loaded, disrespectful, hostile, cloying/fawhing. There are others who are genuine, decent, respectful. I bet he was just fine with the line of questioning. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

"There are a-holes who are loaded, disrespectful, hostile, cloying/fawhing."

You could have just said, there are cubs fans, and then there are the rest of us.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

here we agree

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

even better if he was annoyed yet still respected the fan.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Nicely done!

Jake sounds like a down to earth guy. Kenny will be calling you soon with a gag order on the Gonzalez talks. Thanks for sharing your story.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Well he picked the right guy to do it with then.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

a statement i'm sure you'd never thought you'd make

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

*Facepalm*

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Post

thanks for the read. Anytime a professional athlete takes a shot at the Cubs it puts a smile on my face.

by soxrule!35 on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome post!

That’s great to be able to chill with one of our top dogs. I love stories like this! Good job man.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

BOO WEEKLey

What’s with Boo’s name in the sign? Looks like they forgot the EY and just tacked it on…classic!

by P-Hose08 on Nov 23, 2009 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, we kept laughing about that all night.

I wonder how that made him feel…

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing they ran out E's and Y's (Nix bros must have been in town too)

I’m surprised they had enough K’s

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 23, 2009 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Taking all things into consideration...

I’ve been a really lucky Sox fan the last few years. I’ve been able to see them win a World Series, win their division again in ‘08, I was at the game where Thome hit his 500th career homerun, I saw Swisher hit a grand slam against the Cubs, and I was at Buehrle’s perfect game. I can’t complain at all.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

Good stuff. Hopefully he makes it to Sox Fest.

And hopefully the meatheads (the ones who look like Mark David Chapman) don’t give him any crap about vetoing the trade in May.

As for A-Gonz: It makes sense that Kenny would kick the tires.

by 67WMAQ on Nov 23, 2009 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

the info doesn't feel official enough.

had it been a tweet or included “has learned”, though…

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Very cool S2LB

Glad to hear he said all the things you’d want to hear as a Sox fan, and was kind enough to chat with you.

Sounds like an average joe / blue collar type of guy, should fit in well with our fan base and team. His being great at pitching should also help, but him being a cool guy doesn’t hurt.

by Grinder in Training on Nov 23, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome post!

Did you get a chance to talk to Boo at the signing? He’s a total character!

by Jack M on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

I didn't really talk to him too much.

I’m not really a huge golf fan. I just knew he wasn’t a nobody on the PGA scene.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

he's a nobody.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

So Jake Peavy is hearing from his sources that the team is trying to get Adrian Gonzalez.

Too bad you didn’t ask him if Ray Kroc would be part of any deal.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.

by UribeAuction on Nov 23, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

What I'm about to say is just pure speculation on my part...

But like I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Jake still occasionally talks to Adrian. They were the faces of the Padres franchise together. And hell, if there are some “behind closed doors” talks going on, I wouldn’t be surprised if KW called Jake and asked him a few questions about A-Gonz.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he said anything specific about Beckham...

He might have mumbled something about him when he was saying that he was getting along with the rest of the team, but the music was pretty loud in the bar and I was just a little buzzed.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Jake, or HSA?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

no, Peavy is showing support for the paralyzed educational system in Alabama

which is classy. He’s not only classy, but good.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

nice analogy

but its a touchy subject with Georgia fans right now. play nice

but yeah, its nice to have two down to earth guys that have talent that is out of this world

Once a Dawg, Always a Dawg. How Sweet it is!

by oneloyaldawg on Nov 23, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

SSS has eyes and ears everywheres!

thanks for sharing this, sideburns. looks like you put on a few lbs. since purchasing that jersey though!
Totally kidding man, I’ve gained a few since Freddy was relevant myself, great post, way to bust on to the front page!

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 23, 2009 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

S2LB's got a stalker, S2LB's got a stalker...

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Aw shucks...

Thanks. I’ve always wanted to be compared to James Spader ever since I saw Stargate.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was very manly in "Sex, Lies, and Videotape"

and “Bad Influence”. Now nailing Susan Sarandon in “White Palace” was OK…

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

S,L, and V James Spader.......

You know your hot men, WU. I’ll give you that.
:)

Not picky, but very sticky....

by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, you like the ones who are safe and inaccessible.

JS: “I have no interest in you. I can’t get it up with a crane.”

HSA: (Drools, sells furniture and car, hitches to JS’ trailer.)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

"I'm going to take my thumb...."

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought she was hot from here forward

until the batman movie where her butt nose was in huge HD display and it ruined her and the movie for me.

Complete opposite effect of Kaite Holmes’ constantly erect nipples in the first Dark Knight.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 23, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of look alikes, check this out

former UGA pitcher Trevor Holder

and Mr.Peavy

Once a Dawg, Always a Dawg. How Sweet it is!

by oneloyaldawg on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

outstanding. citizen journalism at its finest.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

Indeed! And much more memorable than that Getz interview we all enjoyed here.

I don’t recall the details of it at all, but I don’t think IT got any rec’s.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather you interview Jose Mesa about Vizquel.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

among other things
Jose Mesa was charged with one count of rape for allegedly penetrating one woman with his finger and two counts of gross sexual imposition for allegedly groping two women in a Lakewood, Ohio motel room on December 22, 1996. Mesa was acquitted of all charges on April 9, 1997.

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

They do not have a hanging judge in Lakewood, OH.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

that's some detail

how come it doesnt say how many fingers were involved in the gropings?

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

what is the whole fist called then?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

"colin getz it"

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent Article

Happy to hear he is cool guy and is looking forward to pitching for the Sox. It interests me that he is keeping up with rumors in the off-season. The guy seems like a baseball nut and real competitor. Love it.

by Rebel33322 on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

This is a nice diversion and all,

but can’t we go back to discussing the sound Stumpy’s dinger made last week and other important and scintillating topics?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

BOOM!

Not picky, but very sticky....

by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Vizquel to sign

Bruce Levin

The White Sox will sign veteran shortstop Omar Vizquel to a contract on Monday, according to a source close to the situation. The deal will be for one year at $1.375 million, a source told ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney. Vizquel, who turns 43 in April, will be a backup middle infielder.

by Shakey on Nov 23, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

Fangraphs, as OSFIB wrote earlier,

today has a nice piece about the flexibility Ozzie has in the IF next year.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't know.

with this quote

The White Sox’s infield situation was already intriguing, with Gordon Beckham changing positions and Alexei Ramirez sitting around. Throw in probably the best defensive shortstop over the last decade and it would seem tempting to either shift Ramirez to second base and leave Beckham at third, or put Ramirez at third with Vizquel and Beckham up the middle. There’s also the possibility of having Vizquel simply play third base as he did with the Rangers last season.

he seems to be implying that the sox are considering vizquel to possibly be a starter/every day player, which is certainly not my understanding.

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

it was poorly written.

but i’m pretty sure r.j. isn’t that stupid.

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he sure disparaged (properly so) his bat,

so I can’t imagine he is thinking anyone would advocate using Vizquel on a daily basis.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

he may also finally have a guy who can lay down a bunt

at least until Walker gets a hold of him, or until they finally just quit trying to bunt.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

VZ journalist @WilmerReina says Vizquel deal is $1.3m with guarantee of 40 man spot. Vizquel will use No 17 in honor of Chico Carrasquel

http://twitter.com/jorgearangure/status/5984326921

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

13, as Ozzie mentioned, is taken.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

and it's official.
#WhiteSox sign Omar Vizquel to one-year contract. 11-time Gold Glove winner will play utility role and mentor other young Sox infielders.

http://twitter.com/InsideTheSox/status/5984481245

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yay defense!

His veteran presence will be a huge boost for the club, too.

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 23, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

See no downside on this one.

Will be nice to have him come in as a defensive replacement at third late in games.

by Grinder in Training on Nov 23, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

or early

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Good Signing IMO

Really liking the presence he adds to the team, it will be good for Beckham and Alexi. Also gives us some flexibility as well.

by 815Sox on Nov 23, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

the curse of number 17 lives!

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Simply put, perception of effort is directly proportional to opinions of fielding prowess. Shane Victorino is widely regarded as a very good fielder, taking home two consecutive Gold Gloves—insert your own generic anti-Gold Glove comment here—while boasting the reputation of a high-octane speedster who covers plenty of ground. Unfortunately, these characteristics overstate what he brings to the table, especially in relation to Carlos Beltran, who covers more ground (at least before last season’s injuries) but in a seemingly nonchalant fashion. If each player starts in the same position and ranges to field an equidistant fly ball, Victorino’s hustle will create the illusion of a better play. If Beltran appears to have had little trouble reaching the ball, the play looks routine, and our minds tend to veer off into the wrong direction, assuming that Victorino’s ball was tougher to reach. By virtue of that, he made a better play.

In actuality, Beltran can travel greater distances with less effort, but his catch appeared mundane and no different from the dozens of fly-ball outs a fan sees each and every game, becoming easily forgettable in the process. Spatial recognition issues based on the television angles presented and the areas to which attention is drawn preclude us from grasping exactly how much distance was actually traveled. When this occurs, the backup generator in our minds reverts to assuming equal talent amongst those being compared, using effort as the tiebreaker in judging the quality of a play and player.

Things should work in the opposite fashion, with a realization that Victorino needed all of that extra effort to stand a fighting chance of recording an out, whereas Beltran put little doubt in the minds of anyone as to the play’s eventual result. Had Victorino made a diving catch, his actual range would be immaterial; a diving play is perceived to be great no matter what. In relation to his own abilities, the catch could be considered great, but the fact remains that he had to work harder to glove the ball. Beltran naturally reached the spot at which the ball would descend and should be lauded for having displayed such great range.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9792

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

my eyes can

tell the difference.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Great job!

I loved the article, always liked Peavy but it’s good to know he seems to be so approachable in real life as well. Interesting that he’d bring up Gonzalez, but who knows how much that means at this point— I’d be one happy camper if the Sox ever landed him though.

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

yes you can

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention...

Shawn, the friend of mine that I mentioned earlier, came up to Jake and I while we were talking and introduced himself. Shawn has one of those custom jersey shirts with Mike MacDougal’s name and number on the back, and he’s wearing it on this night. He tell Jake about it and turns around to show him the back of his shirt. Jake got all red in the face, laughed, and shook his hand.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

a Charlie Obrien Sox jersey would have been great

but they are probably even more scarce than MacD’s

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike MacDougal's jersey? That is one expensive joke

because who would seriously buy a MacDougal jersey.

by Shakey on Nov 23, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Chone

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 23, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw that guy at a Sox game this summer.

It had to be him because there cant be TWO people with a MacDougal jersey, right?

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 23, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Were the text and numbers plain?

Like…they didn’t have the silver highlighting around the name and number? If that’s the case, you probably saw my friend. Hahaha.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Then again...

I don’t think Shawn went to a game this summer… Hmm… I guess there is more than one..

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

on ebay

they have autographed MacD baseballs (with cert of authenticity!) for 4.99. Lots of them, no bids.

That’s about what a plain baseball costs.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

"custom jersey shirts"

read, you might learn something.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Its funny

One of the first video on YouTube when you search Peavy’s name is about him being saved and all that… but then you also hear about how much he likes to put back more then a few

by 815Sox on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

Die Mauer wins?

(All major sports sites are inaccessible for me here or I wouldn’t be asking.)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Work/N. KOREA.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

LOL!!

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps he was thanking Miggy for the closing weekend 0-11.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm
Mauer receives a $100,000 bonus for winning the award, and Cabrera gets $200,000 for finishing fourth.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 23, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Here you go:

So much for conspiracy theories Keizo Knoishi of Seattle’s Kyodo News voted for Cabrera.

by rugman11 on Nov 23, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit, you beat me to it...

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, of course:

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It also might have to do with the antifreeze

you’ve added to the creamer.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Is that 38% office-adjusted?

I heard working in an office with you increases wise-cracks by at least 50%. Context is everything…

by CWSKeith on Nov 23, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

larry brings out the best in people by 48%.

So the wise-cracks are increased, yes…but they are overall smarter and funnier wise-cracks.

Not picky, but very sticky....

by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

are you hiring?

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing. Great write up too.

Jake sounds like a really cool and down to earth guy. I’m glad the Sox were able to trade for him. I hope he does awesome next year and every year he is on the Sox. I know our fan base can be a little harsh at times if players don’t perform to “our” expectations.

On the other hand, not sure how I really feel about you sharing so many details. Jake was so nice to talk to you for so long and say everything he did. You told us much of what went on, but if I was him and I was browsing the web saw this I would probably think “Man, I was telling you some of that to be friendly because you seemed like a cool guy. Did you have to post it on the web? Now I’m probably going to get called into KWs office for a lecture. Hope I don’t fall asleep to the sound of his voice” ….. Though, I guess there is probably a greater chance Jake doesn’t care you wrote all this :).

by Mattchoo on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I believe Jake knows anything he says in public is grist for the mill.

If not, he’s more of a stumpjumper than Jenks.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not like he posted the naked pictures Shawn took of JP and S2LB.

Give him SOME credit.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm wondering where Jake heard that the Sox are trying to get Adrian Gonzalez. Was he involed in the front office meetings,

or did he hear the same thing SSS has heard from the learnings of SoxNet.net, of the internet.

There might be a little tail wagging the dog on the Gonzalez stuff. Either way, Kenny will seek retribution for this mess created by the evil bloggers.

by Mitch. on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Tail wagging the dog.

if Jake were consulted seriously on anything regarding that trade, he wouldnt be talking about it in a bar.

Someone probably sent him the same headline everyone else saw, and he was making nice conversation.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember this, too:

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone talked:

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yar

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 23, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 23, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

this is easily the best one

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would hope that he wouldn't mind what I've written here...

I’m just retelling the story of what was a really great night for me. I doubt I’ll ever have the chance to meet with him again. And if anything, if he does read this, it’s a lot better than how the Chicago media machine would have treated him. I think I painted him in a good light and showed what a cool guy he is.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you, I think your post painted him in a very good light.

When athletes are in the news, there’s usually a police report involved. Jake sounds like a down to earth guy who hasn’t let his fame and money go to his head and your story helps his image, imo.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep the ball down, indeed!

Excellent post, and thanks for sharing.

by palehose67 on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions  

Well, this is interesting. Off Wiki:
Jake Peavy is legally blind. With the help of strong contact lenses, Jake is able to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Peavy

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Peavy, who is hitting .214 with two homers and eight RBI this season, believes his new contacts will also improve his hitting, although several teammates argued that his recent hitting surge might be because he couldn’t see the pitches.

http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20060817-9999-1s17padnotes.html

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

So the blind really shall lead us

along with a really old backup shortstop

signature

by billyok on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

teahen's dog weighs in
Dear owner of giant poodle at the dog park, please pick up ur dogs business and tell him to quit pissing on my head. Thanks, Espy

http://twitter.com/ESPY_TEAHEN/status/5985423777

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

for WTGTD
Jermaine Dye: As with Damon, the change in his walk and strikeout data is a huge red flag, the kind of change—more of both—you often see when a player is about to collapse. Added to his decreased mobility, the change at the plate makes him a first-class “avoid” this winter, likely to fall apart and be out of the league in 18 months. The 27 homers are going to fool someone, and I’ll put the Giants, Reds, and Braves on the short list of candidates.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9795

by larry on Nov 23, 2009 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Sandy Duncan.

Hell, she had only one good eye and STILL flew around like she/he owned the place!

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have to agree with BP for once... Why all the ex-sox bashing?

You would think KW is at the helm of BP!

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as he is not traded

I am safe.

BP also liked the Indians chances going into this past year… If Phil Rogers and Joe Cowley had a baby, that bastard would have more credibility in my estimation.

Sad to think the glory days of JD are coming to an end. I wonder how much his 1st/2nd half splits had to do with this alarming walk and strikeout data? He will produce just fine next year, you can put that in stone.

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=dyeje01&year=2009&t=b#half

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be more concerned the drop in ops...

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

most notably the drop in slugging %

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

defense/refuse... I see what you did there.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

to hsa

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 23, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

awsome

I would love to have a ball with those signatures, thanks for sharing!

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

I would love to have A ball.

Fixed.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

your first wife was a real bitch no doubt

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol'd

you sir, get a rec

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Nov 24, 2009 2:26 AM CST up reply actions  

pretty cool

nice to see peavy is a good guy. i got a chance to hang out with aj.. he’s alright too. picked up my tab….. and i didn’t even have to put out! :-D

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

The reason I rec'd this

is I thought the exact same thing before I read your response, you sot, you.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 23, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

U-god

you’re waiting for peavy to come to chambana, u go to u of i?

by stopdrop8 on Nov 23, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions  

yeah

him, penny, and oswalt showed up at kam’s one night when i was a sophmore

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

awesome

thats hilarious. im a sophomore there

by stopdrop8 on Nov 23, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

great!

you and u-god can be pen pals…

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

usually people in the same town aren't pen pals

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

Not picky, but very sticky....

by homesickalien on Nov 23, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

rite?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

OT: but

when do regular season single ticket games go on sale?

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Nov 23, 2009 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

I tried looking around there but couldn't find anything

thanks though, i’ll look again

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Nov 23, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks!

looks like I have a while then..

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

digging through emails, around second week of february

this year’s general public onsale was the 13th.

These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.

by thatshortkid on Nov 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

kk thanks

wanted to know when cause I’m heading up to Chicago this summer; my grandpap was a huge chisox fan and I want to see the grounds were his former stadium use to be where he would often attend games during the 30s and the other stadium where that team now plays

Wrigley Bound in the Summer of 2010

by Chanman25 on Nov 23, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate your fucking signature.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 23, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

,

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I had a rough day, and I hate the f*ckin' Cubs, man!

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

this

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Nov 24, 2009 2:28 AM CST up reply actions  

awesome, S2LB

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Nov 23, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions  

Also, I like Jakes signature

very neat and cursive like, not all scribbles like some athletes like to do

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

o

"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 23, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

People even looked classy sitting on dead horses back then

We’re truly a nation of slobs.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 23, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

SHUT UP WOMAN

GET ON MY HORSE!

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 23, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

To get Gonzalez.....

I assume KW has to deal Jenks to add young talent to the cupboard……..Alexei probably would be an attractive piece to dangle…..then have Beckham play SS and sign the ODOG for cheap….

If KW is going after AGON he has to be talking to Doug Melving about Prince…………

Like or dislike KW (I think most Sox fans are in the like category) it’s never boring with him…..

by stanchar on Nov 23, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

If we truly want Gonzalez, I think Kenny will have to give them Peavy.

Not straight up of course. We should also get a couple of their pitching prospects.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

now why would the Padres trade back for Peavy after just trading him away?

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

never mind

I think I just missed quite a bit of sarcasm in your post, so if you would allow me

self WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHHHH

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

i heard they have this richards guy.

i think is pretty good

waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007

by soxshenanigans on Nov 23, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I forgot to mention another thing...

I told Jake that I was only able to make it up to one game this season, but I was lucky enough that it was Buehrle’s perfect game that I saw. He said that was awesome and asked if I kept my ticket to which I replied, “Oh hell yeah. Of course.” I told him I’d tried to make it up to Chicago to see his White Sox debut, which is true, but I had trouble scheduling with work and I apologized. “That’s alright, man.” he said.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions  

Let me know when you will be going to your next game.

I’d like to be there……….just in case.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

So I grab my beer and casually head over to his table.

Musta had your fake IDs.
;) Nice job kid.

by oahu420 on Nov 23, 2009 8:55 PM CST reply actions  

I'm 22.

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Nov 23, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

he's 71

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 23, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

great contribution

it’s always enjoyable to read about down to earth athletes. reading about your chance encounter where you shoot the shit with a highly talented multi-millionaire over pizza and beer was niiiiiiice.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

this offseason is already pissing me off.

the teahen and vizquel moves are ok i suppose…. but the press and the sox themselves ( i got 10 facebook updates from riefert about it)…. are acting like this is a major move. Come on…. get real! maybe if it was 19 fucking 95 it would have been a major move. Now you are getting a guy that will bat 200 times at most. Sign or acquire a real fucking player for christ sakes.

Plus williams again ripping on Bobby. I am so sick of this bullshit with him and guillen ripping all of his players. Shut the fuck up already! First you are creating a bad clubhouse atmosphere…. Second you are lowering any value they may have… Third why do they have to be fucking pricks about every player for christ sake. Frank, Maggs, Crede, Vazquez, Swisher, Uribe, Carlos and now Jenks. I am sure there is more than that. Maybe this is why we haven’t signed an impact free agent since Albert Belle.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions  

one observation though...D

Does Pike County have an issue with the name WEEKLey? run outta letters or something…

There's Your Zagnut!!!

by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 28, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

nice story! thanks

did you tell him ground balls toward 2nd will be automatic outs?

:p

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