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Crisp Rumor Hardly Fresh

It's not even Thanksgiving yet, and it's already beginning to seem like the daily White Sox rumors are simply those that have trotted out in the past. Today, it's Coco Crisp, no longer as a not-living-up-to-his-contract CFer on the trade market, but as a just-coming-off-of-two-shoulder-surgeries free agent. The White Sox and Royals are said to be interested.

Crisp might be a good buy-low candidate for a team in need of a CFer, but the Sox have about $12M/yr tied up in their CF solution. And their true need lies at a corner outfield spot and DH, where Crisp's bat becomes a much bigger liability.

Elsewhere, the Sox are not among those teams listed as interested in Nick Johnson, who has become a bit of a cause célèbre around here. 

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Boo Crisp!!

seewhatididthere?

FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009

by rhythm on Nov 24, 2009 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

osfib's daily link to fangraphs

jd realizes he can’t make abreu money, open to playing first base

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 24, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions  

No one talks about Pujols,

He could hit 100 HR and people would groan and say: fuck him, he’s not a Yankee, he doesn’t bang 40 different supermodels a day, he’s not an asshole, he seems to care about the community, he respects baseball history, what a douchebag.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty sure he's on hgh, so yeah, fuck him.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, talentless loser.

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

and who has a name like that?

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

did you get that sig from Men who stare at goats?

cause that movie was messed up

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Nov 25, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

It was pretty good if you like the Big Lebowski

Its fairly random and if you’re not paying attention you probably won’t catch some of the jokes, but its not much worse than Burn After Reading. Could be Cult Classic material in the future.
Re: Pujols’ new hitting coach

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 25, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Call me crazy

But I really liked Burn After Reading…

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Nov 28, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

You crazy.

For Coen snicks, “Raising AZ” the one I embrace verisimilitude.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 29, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

And you know this how?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

And your education is based upon what?

Don’t even post this crap unless you are willing to stand behind it. It is scurrilous and a waste of space.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention dragging the site's value even lower into the gutter.

In ways WTGTD and KWo could only dream of.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

At least it's baseball-related.

Some of the blathering you do has nothing to do with baseball. I already know you’re smart….I get it.

by dantesox on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Idiotic baseball musings > idiotic personal business, I guess.

Tallest midget. And I am not defaming anyone. So I go to heaven. You meet your namesake. I win.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll expand in a reply to himself in 3, 2, 1...

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I may have, but you're too damn quick.

I’m personally sick of all the love for Pujols. He’s a roided freak who’ll be found out eventually.

by dantesox on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

For you Chiburb.....

and no, I am not quick to pull the steroid card…..I happen to think quite a few people never did the stuff and did pretty well.

by dantesox on Nov 25, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This must be God posting here.

Glad you “think” these things. Let me know when you want to tell us your “theories”, “hunches”, and “bets”. And then, unless based upon evidence that is actually “seen”, and not “felt”, post away.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well then..

I’d like to meet his doctor, because Pujols is a hell of a lot better at roiding than anyone else has been. Where did the other 100+ roiders go wrong?

by Grinder in Training on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey man there's one guy who's better.

Talentless loser

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 25, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Crisp is a worthy gamble for about 2.5/yr.

He can be a part of a rotation between Quentin, Rios and Vladdy….OR….Matsui….of course, he likely wouldn’t ever play the field. Throw Kotsay in there as well. Flexibility.Different strengths among those five. Power, speed, defensive maneuverability. I’m all for it for a reasonable price IF he checks out physically.

by dantesox on Nov 24, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions  

Not. Ever.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

If we were to sign Crisp.....

I think it makes it easier to absorb someone who cannot play the outfield at all….like a Matsui. And, the fact that he’s left-handed makes him, in some regards, more attractive than Vlad anyway.

by dantesox on Nov 24, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

If Dye can play the field Matsui can play the field

Just sayin’

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 24, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

um part*

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Not too bad

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Nov 24, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

well we can trade for crisp

and then next year when we are looking to dump him… talk shit about him all october and november to completely ruin his trade value come december! Thats the white sox way!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 24, 2009 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

larry beat you like a drum.

Stop talking for a few hours. Figure out your next move. Strategize.

Pwned, you were. ;)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, KenWo,

just because you now have a week of not being able to boss around pre-teen miscreants (Thanksgiving comes to them none too soon) doesn’t mean you get to displace your anger from being annihilated all day long onto those of us who recognize your defense mechanism.

Pwned. If it was WTGTD I’d be calling you out, too. jag bag. Big LOL all day, so I have to thank you for that. :)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 24, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know, WU. I'm enjoying this Kenwo quite a bit.

Not to mention, SoB has been killing my soul (in a good way) the past two days. I can’t believe his “usually” isn’t green. Come on! Why are colin and I the only ones with senses of humor ’round here?
;p

Not picky, but very sticky....

by homesickalien on Nov 24, 2009 9:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess it depends on how you view Crisp defensively...

UZR had him great one year in CF and terrible another year in the two years where he played significant innings in CF. I would tend to guess the one real bad defensive year for him is more of a fluke than anything…

If he comes cheap I don’t really have a problem with it. Bill James’ projections have Crisp pegged at a .330 wOBA (.740 OPS) while ZiPS is a little less optimistic (.710 OPS — that’s probably around a .320 wOBA average, yes?). Average for a CFer is right around 335 (give or take), so if the Sox view Crisp as a plus CFer (+5-10 UZR), he’s essentially a league average player and thus definitely worth the $2-3 million.

This brings us back to Rios. Do people not buy into Cameron’s point that a player’s value isn’t going to change by moving him from one OF position to another? In any case it’s all gonna hinge on his bat. If he really has fallen off a cliff we’re pretty fucked, regardless of whether he’s in CF or RF. An 81 OPS+ doesn’t play anywhere (unless you’re Franklin Gutierrez on defense, which Rios is not).

So I guess you can put me into the camp that wouldn’t mind seeing this happen. If nothing else I want to see this team be kick-ass at run prevention, and signing Crisp would be a step in that direction.

by CWSKeith on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 PM CST reply actions  

If we're going after a center fielder, I prefer Cameron.

However, he will cost twice what Crisp or Winn will cost. Crisp could leadoff and he can play cf or lf rather well. And Cameron is right, play them at their best positions for the benefit of the team and don’t worry about how their bat plays at the position.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Crisp can lead off?

Anyone can leadoff. But not everyone should. Crisp shouldn’t. He’s a career .330 OBP that shouldn’t be at the top of the lineup. Fast != should be leading off.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

that's why I prefer Cameron.

Get the better ballplayer and don’t worry so much about where they bat.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 25, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Cameron's an interesting idea...

He strikes out a bit too much for my tastes though

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 25, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

WAY too much

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

OT

does gunther’s still have $.50 drafts on wednesdays?

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 24, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

But if Rios does suck at the plate, having Crisp hurts I think

Having someone out there in LF or RF that can actually hit would be imperative if Rios is going to go all 81 OPS+. You can argue that Crisp would be just as good as “nameless powerful LF” overall because of his glove, but I don’t buy that. So I guess I don’t buy Cameron’s argument in 2 ways:
1) Really, doesn’t a CF have a chance to make more plays than LF. Really?
2) I don’t trust defensive valuations to the point where I’m sure a good UZR makes up for the bad hitting.

The bottom line for me is that the Sox need offense and Crisp is a bad offensive player. Coming off 2 shoulder surgeries, how can anyone feel sure he’ll once again get his OBP up to the glorious level of his career .330 ? I don’t.

The only good thing that could come of this is that it might be the end of Pods…or it could be Crisp LF and Pods DH. Ugh.

Anyway, Kenny — if you’re reading this I vote no.

by hitlesswonder on Nov 24, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that you'd necessarily disagree with this

but I wouldn’t specify it as much as you do when you say “the Sox need offense”. I’d say the Sox need good players. If that “good” comes mainly on the defensive side of the ball, so be it.

Regarding the shoulder surgeries, I’m giving the Sox medical staff the benefit of the doubt. If the Sox have legit interest, I’m guessing his shoulders are checking out.

I should also clarify that I wouldn’t be thrilled if they ended up signing him. I’m just saying that, given the payroll constraints (Cheat has them at about $92 million with Vizquel on board. USA Today had them at around $97 million for opening day of last year (they probably paid out more than that when you consider the Peavy + Rios + Pena acquisitions, but I can’t see them starting the year much over $100 million to start 2010.)), Crisp on a cheap-ish deal doesn’t strike me as unreasonable.

by CWSKeith on Nov 25, 2009 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

so you're basically saying you want a better overall player than Crisp for third OF

because you’re wary of RIos?

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 25, 2009 4:03 AM CST up reply actions  

BJ or Justin?

this makes a huge difference.

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

fuck

to carb

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 24, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I still think those two are going to end up together,

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Now you're comparing apples and oranges!

Get it? Fruits?

Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death

by Hazymania on Nov 25, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Was Jim's site hijacked?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 6:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Yup

Jenks taking his anger out on him

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Nov 25, 2009 9:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Next time, I'd appreciate an email.

F’d up the hosting records, but had no problems seeing it myself.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 25, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, just assumed if I knew that you must've known too.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

No problem. Just lucky I had a late start.

The problem should be resolved in 24-48 hours, though people may start seeing it now. DNS records and whatnot.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

this rumor is baseless even by rumor's standards

For one, we’re spending a jillion dollars on Rios. While Crisp might have some kind of value, I don’t think he’s ready to sign a cheap contract as a backup yet before he sees if he’s someones answer in CF.

Secondly, we’ve got one quote from his agent that says the Sox are interested (oh, “but we haven’t talked dollars yet”). An agent trying to gin up interest from KC probably, and keep his client in the news.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 25, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

When's the last time anyone in our organization has said

“We are definitely not interested” other than to a high-priced FA? Of course we are interested, and price/perceived value is always the main issue.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Nordy on the Rios point.

What you said is true too, but interested in what? A 4th OF?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

In anyone of value.

Why would you limit yourself out of the box? If the Sox thought they were getting a bargain for Crisp (“stealing”) they’d be interested. My point is that they should be open-minded to anyone of value/in their price range that fits a need.

And FNS this holiday season. :)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess I'm asking "what's the need"?

Late inning D for Q!?
Rest Rios once a week?

I thought our “need” was for a hitting RF (or LF if Q! moves to RF) and a DH. So regardless of how cheap Coco Puffs may be, what’s the point?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Crisp has enough of a skill set

to be a second division starter in the outfield. Keith mentioned that it doesn’t really matter if he’s in CF or RF. We also need a backup CF.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

the mofo cant hit.

this is a problem.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Scrap heap would be cheaper and possibly as effective.

Why pay Crisp market price for a reduced need?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

but is Crisp interested in getting stolen right now?

He wants to see if he can find starting job’s money.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Separate issue.

I’m addressing how the Sox position themselves.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I also agree with the young lad

We’re on the hook for Rios, and I don’t think Coco coco for coco puffs is our answer for RF

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"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09

by rangerjae on Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I want Tejada at third.

Thome DH.
Baldelli to platoon with Kotsay in RF.
Rocco hits lhp, Kotsay rhp.

Teehans on the bench next to Omar where he belongs.
He can DH vs LHP and give Thomer rest.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Teighean is left handed.

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

yet hits them well.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

actually hes not

last year he did ok vs lhp, for his career hes been bad.
i only looked at 09 splits at first.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

also get used to that

I will never spell his name correctly in honor of the dive bar where cheat met that special lady with Sox jeans.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

hahaha

will rec when able

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 25, 2009 10:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

maybe we can trade beckham for this guy.
The problem is that the reason Lopez doesn’t fit in Seattle is painfully obvious to anyone who’s scouted the team. While his power is a plus at the second-base position, other teams have seen his lack of range and quickness in the field – and his .303 career on-base percentage at the plate.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/mariners/2009/11/25/jose-lopez-untradeable-and-your-morning-links/

by larry on Nov 25, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Kenny could steal him by offering Danks

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 25, 2009 10:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sox Roster

C- AJ, Flowers
1b- Konerko, Kotsay
2b- Bacon, Nix
ss- Alexei, Omar
3b- Teehans, Nix
lf- Q
cf- Rios
rf- Kotsay
dh-

needs mopar.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

"Hot Stove Burning Issues"?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't mention Jewish women married to Italian men

ROME, Nov. 25 (Xinhua) — In Italy one in three women have been victims of violence and ill-treatment, the National Statistics’ Office Istat reported Wednesday on the occasion of the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women.

    A total of 6,743,000 women have suffered physical or psychological violence, said the report.

    Italian President Giorgio Napolitano warned against the commercial use of women in television, asking for an end to presenting “vulgar feminine images which merely serve consumer desires and are often a vehicle used by the press and the world of advertising.”

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-11/26/content_12539709.htm

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions  

Trade Bobby Jenks for an outfielder, any ideas who?

I would go for Matt Thornton for our closer over Bobby Jenks. Bobby makes me too nervous. Its like good Rex bad Rex. We have a real trade worthy caliber guy like Bobby Jenks that we can shop around for a trade to get an outfielder with good defensive skills, good speed, a good arm, and hopefully home run power. I know its hard to get all that but for Bobby Jenks I think we got more chances to get it then if the Sox explore cheap free agents.

If we can pull it off we can either ink Pods or Thome for the DH spot. I would rather trade Bobby than Konerko, right?? Unless of course this Adrian Gonzalez Padres deal with Sox gets more realistic if we include Konerko and Jenks, but we couldn’t give away any young prospects like Jordan Danks, Jared Mitchell, Tyler Flowers, or Dayan Viciedo in that deal. Konerko and Bobby are enough. We would almost need another prospect included with Adrian to make the deal happen. But any thoughts? I may be way off reality here.

Ron Rivera Return

by Oso Monstar of Midway on Nov 25, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

yes

you are way off reality here.

by KillaAK on Nov 25, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with your trade is that

you are trading two players to San Diego that make a combined $21M. San Diego is looking for young players that can play now and cost minimal amount of money. SD would NEVER want Jenks or Konerko.

I think the talks between the Sox and SD are legit and did happen, but I’m not sure how far they will go. I doubt we could land Gonzo, but I would love to have him.

SD would ask for Beckham, Hudson, Torres, Flowers, which we know we would never give. I think we would look to trade a package of Torres, Flowers, Danks or Mitchell, Morel, & Retherford instead. If the Angels wanted PK, then we could trade him to LAA for one top prospect that would go to SD in our package of prospects.

by Mattchoo on Nov 25, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

PK is no longer worth a top prospect

and LAA has no place to play him

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 25, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

That is why...

If this trade with the Padres were to ever happen, it would have to be a three team trade, where the third team has enough prospects to make the Padres happy (and the third team gets someone like Chris Young and others in return).

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 25, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

possible roster lineup with Jenks trade

not in hitting order….just lineup makeup

Pods or Thome DH
Beckham 2B
Rios CF
Quentin RF
Jenks Trade left handed OF
Ramirez SS
Teahen 3B
Konerko 1B
AJ Catcher

Ron Rivera Return

by Oso Monstar of Midway on Nov 25, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

3TO, Dotel-Style:
Octavio Dotel: The Adam Dunn of relief pitchers, 44 percent of Dotel’s plate appearances as a pitcher ended in a walk, strikeout, or homer. The end result is valuable, just a bit ugly to watch at times. For a 36-year-old, he has a lot of upside, and it’d be interesting to see him land in a cavern like Safeco or Petco. As is, he’ll end up setting up for a good team on a two-year deal.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9800

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

wtf kind of a stat is that?

can we get a comparison on that? so many variables its mindbottling.

by Shakey on Nov 25, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

mind bottling?

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Nov 25, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok if we don't ink Pods or Thome....

then the DH is rotation between Quentin, Konerko, Kotsay right?
like last year. but we still need another good defensive outfielder hopefully with a good bat, hopefully from the left side. Could a Bobby Jenks Trade help us here? I am trying not to lose sleep over this. Honestly I don’t see the Sox trading that many prospects and Konerko for Adrian Gonzalez, a .270 hitter last year, though the 44 homers are tempting.

Ron Rivera Return

by Oso Monstar of Midway on Nov 25, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

lets just ignore the mammoth .958 OPS and 119 walks

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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Nov 25, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Those numbers just bottle the mind

Every good port begins with a slut.

- homesickalien

by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 25, 2009 1:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

>

piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight

by mick10 on Nov 25, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Dis keed I like.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but Gonzalez is no Konerko in the field!!

2009: 4 errors and a .997 for Big Nerk and 7 errors and a .995 fp for Gonzalez

by hitlesswonder on Nov 25, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

the dealbreaker would be the Phil Rogers Trade Metric

If we deal PK, Jenks, and a prospect for Gonzalez, the score is -2. So BAD deal.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 25, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, wait, -1 right?

You only count players in the Majors, right? So unless the prospect going with PK and Jenks was Beckham, it’d only be -1.

Still a bad deal as we’re on the negative side, but not quite -2. Give the man some credit.

by coffeepac on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

doh

I think thats right. That was a Rogersmetrics FAIL. Or deferred success, rather.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Nov 25, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I am sending this to my wife. She constantly dogs me about (not) stretching:
In fact, the latest science suggests that extremely loose muscles and tendons are generally unnecessary (unless you aspire to join a gymnastics squad), may be undesirable and are, for the most part, unachievable, anyway. "To a large degree, flexibility is genetic," says Dr. Malachy McHugh, the director of research for the Nicholas Institute of Sports Medicine and Athletic Trauma at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York and an expert on flexibility. You’re born stretchy or not. "Some small portion" of each person’s flexibility "is adaptable," McHugh adds, "but it takes a long time and a lot of work to get even that small adaptation. It’s a bit depressing, really."

And Q, like in “Good Will Hunting”, it’s not your fault, son. It’s not your fault.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

there are other things you can do besides stretching to avoid injury

i’m sure your hip flexors are too dusty and creaky to stretch anyway

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 25, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Not dusty and creaky enough

to hinder me from kicking your a$$, youngster. I ran 20 consecutive miles Sunday. Where were you? ;)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL. Clearly.

Pace?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he took the bus.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

about 8.5 per mile

first run in about three weeks… i did 7.5 for 10 yesterday

it was fun in the rain

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 25, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That was about my pace, also.

Felt the best I have in awhile. I’m gonna go for the Boston qualifying time of 3:35 in January. (Haven’t told anyone else yet. Our secret.)

Why did you lay out for 3 weeks? Injury?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

just resting

im ready to go balls out now, though

my balls will be out, of course

by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

getz and beckham named to topps all rookie team

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Nov 25, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

But the gum in Getz' pack of cards was broken.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

no, i already chewed it and shoved it back in

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

that looks fantastic upon reading again

that would involve a whole bunch of skull fucking.-BoeJouma

by furby2056 on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm seeing a new sig line for Colin

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

"colin"

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Kenny signs Andruw Jones

1 yr/500k, with incentives up to a million.

by 67WMAQ on Nov 25, 2009 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

Now THAT'S a deal I can live with!

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

STFU!

DH. Check.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

4th OF? Check.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?

Is it 2002 all of a sudden?

by Otter7 on Nov 25, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Had a good year last year.

Good risk/reward. Better than spending $1MM on Colon, IMO.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

In what way did he have a good year?

I mean, 500k is enough to prevent me from complaining, but I’d hardly call his previous season “good.”

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Compared to what he did for LA,

he was on fire.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

.782 OPS isn't better than Pods in LF? Or at this point, OK for RF too?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

AND

he doesn’t suck in the outfield

by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

sweet

looking forward to it!

by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe he'll only play half a season like last year... the good half!

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If you want to be technical about splits

He struggled to hit above the Mendoza line after the month of May.

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 25, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't get to look at the numbers,

but I thought he was on fire the first half and fell off a cliff the 2nd. How much OF did he play?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

He was only in 82 games.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

That surprised me.

Wonder why so few games? Did he get hurt?

I also have to laugh: B-R lists him at 6’1", 170 lbs. 170? Maybe when he was 19 years old…

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

Those take a long time to heal. Hopefully about 9 months.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

depends upon the tear

he was back in fifteen days or so.

by larry on Nov 25, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

TY.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=116662

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I looked at B-R.

8 games at first. He truly is a cheap JD.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

148 innings of OF for the Rangers in 09

~16 games. Nothing to get excited about, or even to form an opinion on really.

by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

blah

i think he brings more value if we can stick him in one of the corners.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 25, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

he can’t be much worse than Dye or Pods out there at the least.

by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

at 1/24th the price!

2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper

by colintj on Nov 26, 2009 2:44 AM CST up reply actions  

His slugging was okay

But he never got on base. Then again, the Sox don’t either so he fits in.

by Otter7 on Nov 25, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

On the bright side

I don’t have to have any more nightmares of Coco Crisp in a Sox uniform… knock on wood.

by Can I Kick It? on Nov 25, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Pods!

(Keeps fingers crossed…)

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

KW always gets his man.

usually five to seven years too late. still plenty of time.

by larry on Nov 25, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m looking forward to him signing A-Gon in 10 years.

by soxrule!35 on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's left?

I only count A-Rod and Torii.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

mig cab

we’ll get him when hes 375 lbs.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 25, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

JRE?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Nov 25, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

where is jre?

i havent been on in so long that i dont even know if he posts anymore

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Nov 25, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he put the Jones deal together for Kenny.

You remember how much he hated spending Jerry’s money?

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You'll have to explain that to him.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Nov 25, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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