Now Official: Teahen and $1 Million to White Sox for Getz and Fields
KW explained to Getz that they needed to "shuffle things up.''
KW says Teahen is now the starting 3B and Beckham is starting second baseman.
Post your complaints here.
Also: KW says talks with Pods have broken down and now it's not likely they sign him.
And: KW on his payroll: "We’ll spend whatever we have available, but there’s not much.’’
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wait
we gave them cash too? i thought we we’re receiving the cash
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
nevermind, it was fixed.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Dislike this trade
unless I am missing something here I feel it was a bad move. It is much easier to replace corner OF than middle INF. Also, Teahen is not a good player. Depending on how much we receive in cash, the Sox could have signed a legit corner OF for 5 to 8mm in FA. theres a few other reasons why i do not like this, but am curious of other point of views.
To top it off the Twins traded gomez for hardy. that seems like a good deal for the twins.
Yeah a lot of guys who can't hit in the NL
become competent hitters in the AL.
FifthFeather.com
by El Duque's Raft on Nov 6, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
Assuming Kotsay is your backup RF prior to this trade, and his injury history causes pause, and you really have no backup for him there and need someone besides Nix to back up 3B, then Teahen makes sense as a super-ute.
A trade or FA signing for RF is still on the to-do list presumably.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
i just dont like taking on around 5 mil
for an average player at best…. unless he has some career transformation leaving the royals, which we have seen fail multiple times first hand
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
But this super-ute can play 3B or RF. I don't care about the $5M or so, especially since KW isn't done yet.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
JR cares about the $5M
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
And KW knows that. What I'm saying is wait until ALL of this plays out before deciding you like it or not.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
agreed
i was just expressing my opinion of the trade as is.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
The cash back in the deal gives me hope he will be a super-ute.
He’s a poor man’s DeRosa and having a lefty utility guy does have value. I just don’t want to see him as an everyday 3b, 2b or outfielder. It does give KW some flexibility now in trades or FA markets. Still, we have more questions than answers now about how this roster will take shape.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
But how well can he play 3B?
Better than Bacon? Teahen did see some action at 2B…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I was informed yesterday that TeeHee has played 2B 4 times in his career.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
he played 8 games at second last year
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
Thx. I took the person's word for it. Silly me.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
oh, wow. my apologies
i was wrong. he’s played 3, yes 3 games at 2nd.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
It's spelled "super üt"
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dye is gone
The Sox have officially declined his option. Even though I knew it was happening, it’s still sad to see him go.
this trade sucks
next!
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 6, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions
I'll trade you my skateboard for your Motts
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by billyok on Nov 6, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
uh no
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 6, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
i'll trade you the rest of this banana for your snackpack
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Mortal Kombat for the sega genesis is the best game ever
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Nov 6, 2009 5:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
uh.................
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 6, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
5 million
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
clearly
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 6, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
What the…
KW says Teahen is now the starting 3B and Beckham is starting second baseman.
Cowley
Doesn’t this go against the whole “put your best player in his best position and work everything around that” axiom?
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
If that is true, we're fucked. BUT: what KW didn't say is "this could change tomorrow".
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Exactly.
I just can’t get too worked up over this. Getz seemed like a good kid. That’s about all the emotion I have for this move. But at least KW is keeping SSS interesting.
hardly
we had shit defense and shit offense at 2B last year and solid at 3B, now we have shit defense and mediocre offense at 3B but solid at 2B.
larry wrote an 800 word piece on it last night. didn't you see it?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
remember, that was in the SSS elite section. he's apparently not a member.
if i’m going to be editorially responsible, i need to get paid.
i don't mind.
just keep your expectations in check. i, and i imagine most of the others here, do this for our own amusement. take that away and i certainly wouldn’t be here.
aw
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
18-34 year old males
Love sss
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Nov 6, 2009 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
no sorry I was in the pub last night
I’ve had to put Stan in a cattery for a few days as I don’t want a repeat of last year. He looked very forlorn when I left him.
so I’m sorry I missed that article, maybe I’ll catch up tomorrow
cheers!
Ah yes... the GFD fireworks. I remember.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Also: KW says talks with Pods have broken down and now it's not likely they sign him.
good.
"Oh well back to work"
works for me...
…but who plays the Leadoff Position?
And don’t say Figgins, I just don’t see that happening (as much as it still makes sense).
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
WHERE IS WU?
WESH TV reports up to 8 people shot at an Orlando office building.
Update at 12:44 p.m. ET: WESH says four of the victims are serious trauma cases.
The TV station says the shooting occurred on the fourth floor of the Gateway Center.
WESH says the shooter is still on the loose.
Update at 12:59 p.m. ET: The Orlando Sentinel, quoting police, say two people are dead in the shooting.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Dinner at noon?
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 6, 2009 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like the sig...
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yep Boe
And saw your posts on Acme…
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of sigs
you should change yours to ‘the 163rd game two seasons ago.’
and it was the best game I ever attended as well.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
still might be a true statement if he was at the metrodome
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
hmm.
perhaps. I wanted to make the trip up there.
ME and OC could have been part of a small group at both.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
just saw this...
ouch!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
it exists
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
I dont think KW was the shooter.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
i don't think he was with lincecum, no.
by larry on Nov 6, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
gotta be parkinson's. that's how you get off that many shots in such a small amount of time.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
So. Was WU a victim or the shooter? Anybody know his REAL name?
Orlando police spokeswoman Barbara Jones identified the gunman as Jason Rodriguez, 40, and said he might be in a 2002 silver Nissan SUV with license plate D119UX. She said he used to work at the building.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Dennis
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
Damn. He seemed like a decent guy for a Republican racist.
At least he saw a WS and a fantasy camp before he left us.
Anybody know his wife’s name? I’d like to offer some comfort…
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Very touching, thank you.
However, I only wish I were shot, as I am in the Milwaukee airport for a 3 hour layover, my family and I on our way to Green Bay (wedding).
So we got Teeeehan. Can never have enough white utility guys named Mark. So far, I like the action of our offseason. In the brokerage industry it’s termed “churning and burning”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How does Southpaw tweet with those big paws?
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
If you wait long enough you can get a C. Gomez autograph.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Finally you have something useful to contribute.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
editor status?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Unless "Jason" is Spanish for "Dennis"?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
According to Levine the Pale Hose recieved $2 mil
Should even things out a bit.
"Lemonade was a popular drink back in the day and it still is.."
Gangstarr
Not really doin it for me
Nope
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seems reasonable to me
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Beckham may put undue pressure on himself at the plate
I heard him on the Score a couple of weeks ago after he received the 2nd ROY award talk about sometimes putting pressure on himself at the dish because of his defense. I hope he can make a smooth transition to 2nd. I don’t like the idea of playing musical chairs with him. Let him settle down. I do like the idea of his bat at that position though. If that is his final move he can be our Utley.
Teahan at 3rd is not a good move in my opinion. He should be coming off the bench. I don’t know how much cash is coming over but it should be enough to justify him as a supersub alongside Nix/Kotsay. Maybe KW will look at Beltre for a 1 or 2 year deal. He is the only ‘real’ 3rdbaseman on the market worth looking at IMO.
I wouldnt mind KW testing the waters on Blalock or Ankiel as well even though they are both Boras clients. We still need some more non-baseclogging power in the lineup and I think they would fit well as 1b/DH or OF/DH options.
who doesnt put pressure on themselves at the plate after an error or missed opportunity?
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I'd like to see a Beltre signing if the years/price are right
but I believe he’s also a Boras guy
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
yea he would be a nice signing to shore up the D
His bat would be a bonus if it resembles anything like his contract year with the Dodgers
seems like he may bounce back a bit
I’m not terribly sabr-inclined (don’t really have the time to fully invest myself), but with Safeco suppressing right handed hitting power, the cell could be a good spot for him to improve his production.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/adrian-beltres-bat-away-from-safeco/
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Yep. Look how the Cell improved Swisher compared to Oakland.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
FNS
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
consider it done
I wasn’t 100% certain
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
when, 56 months from now?
i mean, look at your sig
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 6, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
bouj-zing!
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
What is Teahen like as a base runner?
I’ve tried looking on fangraphs but it won’t load up here in Leeds for some reason.
ta
James had him as -11 this year
basically average on ball-in-play first-to-third type scenarios, but finding pods-like ways to run into outs (8 baserunning outs)
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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Cox will fix em.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
So he's the anti-Getz
on the basepaths
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
He didnt say error or missed opportunity
He was a rookie still learning a new position in the bigs while simultaneously trying to hold his own against big time pitching. I think it’s easier for guys to focus at the plate whether they are good hitters or otherwise if they are playing a position they feel comfortable. He will have to get up to speed quickly is ST with Alexei on relays, etc so that the errors dont carry over to the real games.
And you don't even mention the injury risk of moving to yet ANOTHER new position!
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
What I meant to say b4 post error.
Errors can occur anywhere freak or otherwise. Beckham looks like he will be more durable than Getz.
And what I mean is the risk of injury for ANY player moving to a new position.
Regardless of ‘durability’.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
I meant injury as well
I hate when the screen moves while I’m typing everytime a new message pops up, sorry.
id say 2nd base is more risky for injury than third.
with guys trying to brak up double plays while you pivot and all that.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
He just has to get the reps at that position so he can figure out how to best
protect himself during relays. I really like his bat there though. Beckham played football in HS so I doubt he a little contact every now and again will ruffle his feathers like it would Alexei.
still, put your self in his shoes
he knew he was highly touted, being the 8 overall pick. he knew ozzie said he would only make the ML club if the sox really needed him. he knew he was hyped to be near super human. you dont think thatd put pressure on you to perform? im just sayin, that if there was pressure on him, wheter it was already there or he put in on himself, to me, he wouldnt be human
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
Yea, true.
I just hope thats his final move. His bat will play well there because its uncommon to have 2nd baseman with his bat even at the level he’s at right now at that position. Just keep him there, no more moves.
id much rather put che back at 2nd and have bacon at short though
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I like Alexeis range at short though
he just needs to focus on those throws to 1st and positioning himself better according to the scouting reports. I think Alexeis main problem at that position was focus and with 1 year under his belt he should be better next season IMO.
Still if Becks is moved, why not
to his natural position? Che can play 3rd. He was horsebleep at 2B.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what i REALLY want to know is what larry thinks about this deal
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions
He told Hoodie in a private email. Now THAT'S elite!
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
does that come with kneepads?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
then what's S S S black?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
vg
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I have a plan?
Yeah its win damnit!
I do feel a tiny bit better with the 2 million.
I do feel a lot worse with this 3b talk.
"Oh well back to work"
Your plan is the same as 2009.
Hope.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 1:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
racist.
Rec’d in theory. No iPod.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 1:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
reaction: eh, balls.
loved getz and thought he would perform even better in 2010. fuck fields. if we really did get the 2mil with teahen, its not looking like a bad deal any more. especially if he provides just a little more with the bat in 2010
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I like the idea of this deal...
I think we’re trying to get some lineup flexibility by getting another multi-position player. Then again, if I were going to do that I would go after DeRosa instead of DeRosa Lite. And, I have to ask, is DeRosa Lite equal in value to Fields AND Getz. I’m not sure…
So, lukewarm is the feeling I’m left with until KW makes some more moves. Let’s see what Crazy Kenny does next…
Sadly...
Teahen isn’t equal to a full DeRosa. He’s about a half DeRosa or 3/4 DeRosa. We could argue about Teahen’s relative value, but in the end, age non-withstanding, he’s still DeRosa Lite.
Ha!
I fucking hate the Cubs… but you have to appreciate players that really do provide you versatility. Middle of the road guys become more valuable like Scutaro. Sadly, the closest we’ve had to multipositional versatility was Mackowiack… Do we really want that again?
Still… Nice zing, Andronicus…
When Did
Josh Fields get good? I know Hawk once compared him to Killebrew once, but Josh Fields sucked in 2008 and 2009. I don’t understand the love for him. This trade was pretty much Getz for Teahen+2million. I say Sox win.
I didn't state that clearly...
Getz was the big piece. I was hoping KW could fleece someone with Fields. There’s no Fields love here. He’s sucked from day one. I don’t feel I saw Getz play enough to formulate an opinion, but I did like what I saw. That being said, Teahen for Getz is probably a decent swap. Fields is a throwaway that I wish could have returned something. Teahen is interesting and who knows if he can turn a corner and play to a high level.
ok, so according to kenny, we've upgraded 2b, leaving a hole at 3b
by sliding Bacon over there.
Teahan as the starter at the hot corner though? yuk.
How close are our minor league third basemen?
Can Viciedo even stick there? I dont really think so, and hes years away regardless.
Theres nothing really in house. Nix? I dont think so.
What about free agents:
Half kiddingly: How much would Crede cost the Sox?
What about Uribe?
Beltre is a type B free agent, so are Figgins and DeRosa.
Can the Sox afford them?
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
I don't like figgins. He will be 32 next season and I doubt he will get any better
I think he is a product of Soscia ball and nice weather year round. Beltre as mentioned by larry is a Boras product but I still hope they see what he wants.
I wonder if Blalock can play 3rd or if those days are over. He’s a Boras client as well but KW can’t keep Teahen there. We need some semblance of power in that spot and I doubt MT will break out like he did a couple years ago. Derosa had some wrist injury and surgery. He’s not getting younger so he’s risky.
Yeah...
but would you take Figgins over Getz? Cuz that’s what we’re really talking about here. I would. Adding him and moving Becks to second or preferably short would probably improve our infield…
Dear Mr Hardy
I’m Nordhagen and I’ll be hating you this season. Welcome, and I look forward to working with you.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
yep.
i hope he just sucks overall again. and isnt inexplicably good against the sox. also, this hasnt even been mentioned yet as far as i know, but WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR PUNTOOOOOO!!!!?
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
at least Gomez and his clutch hits against the Sox are gone
Im sure the Twins will miss his OF defense as well. He robbed our hitters of gap shots a countless number of times.
FJJH
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Williams says OF Jordan Danks play in Arizona Fall League has been noticed. "Jordan Danks is making things interesting.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
actually yesterday.
all of my articles are sent to the white sox front office for approval before posting.
If KW is being truthful then there is an opening
For a RF and a DH with one of those guys also serving as a leadoff hitter. Johnny Damon for a short term deal? He could play RF and DH and be a leadoff hitter. Also has a hot wife and is a good locker room guy.
by Duck99 on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions
News from Kenny Williams: Beckham moves to 2B. Teahen plays 3B. Pods return “not likely.” A Thome return “we might have to revisit that.”
please no.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be all over a Thomer 1 year incentive laden deal.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
So he can embarrass himself in a Sox uniform?
He is done.
Move on.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Why incentives? No use.
I’d rather have Dye as a DH.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
bobby
wants another station to station team next year.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Thome is a solid DH
if he can stay healthy.
He has a solid OBP and he CAN DRIVE IN RUNS. What the f’ else do you want from a DH. You want Pods at DH so you can have some speed out there? Give me a break.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
HE IS DONE!
If he could still hit I would say okay….
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
somehow he drove in 74 runs in 107 games for the sox last year.
hard to do if you can’t hit.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeah?
well, how many did he drive in in la? plus, do you really want him clogging the bases with his .372 obp and .847ops?
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
it's time to move on.
we tried it, it didn’t work.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
is he the best option?
no. but he wouldn’t be the worst person we could trot out at DH.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see us go without a dh.
Let the pitchers hit. We need more bunts and small ball goddammit.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
i heard peavy is great
on the basepaths
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
time to move on....
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
nice dead horse avatar and links in the thread.
where the hell have i seen that before…..
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
larry?
these are all originals IIRC.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
have you happened to look at other DH's in the league?
I mean seriously, of the DH’s – Thome is a top 3-5 DH.
Does D. Ortiz have speed? Hafner? Burrell? Billy Butler?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
he is 40 fucking years old!
ENOUGH!!!!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
was that a reply to me?
Because I was joking. I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it was
didn’t know you were f’ around….after yesterday’s thread I TRUST NO ONE. Not even my dog.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
no problem
i feel like i have to read some peoples comments twice to try to decipher if they are a joke or serious.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Nov 6, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
HE IS DONE!
Frank could come in and drive in 75 rbis.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
led the team in walks, too. more than all of his non-HR hits as well.
but yeah, that guy sucks.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
when did i ever say i wanted pods at DH?
Bobby you just make up shit in your head to make you fell smart. In reality you are an oaf.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Meant CF/DH for Damon with the
Majority of those starts being DH. Wonder if there might be a NL taker out West for Konerko just to get his salary off the books. The Bullpen needs to be upgraded but I don’t see how unless Konerko/Jenks are moved.
by Duck99 on Nov 6, 2009 1:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
CF and Rios are synonymous
get it in your head people.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
and then who would play 1b?
we need SOME power.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
Meant CF/DH for Damon with the
Majority of those starts being DH. Wonder if there might be a NL taker out West for Konerko just to get his salary off the books. The Bullpen needs to be upgraded but I don’t see how unless Konerko/Jenks are moved.
by Duck99 on Nov 6, 2009 1:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Gomez to the brewers for Hardy haha
now whos dick will hawk want to suck when the sox play the twins?
hawk's helped himselfto a mouthful of mauer from time to time
prime candidate in my opinion
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
i think span made an impression on him this year as well
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
Denard Span
is pretty Gomez-like in numbers, skills, approach. But then again Mauer’s more Yaz-like.
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
except a lot better on offense and on the basepaths
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
umm yeah
2009 Span .311/.392/.415 23 SB 10 CS
2009 Gomez .229/.287/.337 14 SB 7 CS
I thought both were mediocre-ish and just did well against the Sox. But that’s just Gomez apparently.
So WTF was Hawk thinking?
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind Hawk fellating guys who are actually good, like Mauer and Span
for a true comp for Gomez Love, it should be someone like Punto or Tolbert
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
The way that the puzzle looks right now, doesn't Chone Figgins look like the final piece?
(Not counting bullpen/backup catcher)
Something like this:
1B: Paulie, Kotsay
2B: Gordo, Nix, Teahan
3B: Figgins, Teahan, Nix
SS: Alexei, Gordo
OF: Rios, Q, Teahan, Kotsay, Figgins
DH: Q, Paulie
I mean, it’s November 6th already, people. The starting day line-up should be set by now!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
Guess "it"'s on you Wear it.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
I'm assuming Teahen at 3rd is a done deal
This leaves DH & OF as the big holes. I guess you can add “leadoff” as well.
There is a chance they go internal and roll the dice with Danks & Flowers. I doubt that happens, especially with both positions. Thome is a possibility for DH, obviously. At this point, I think he’d platoon.
Jenks is still out there as a possible trade candidate.
Cowley now spreading the propaganda
that Jordan Danks will be a starting of’er next year. This coming from the same guy who had Viciedo as last year’s starting third baseman.
FifthFeather.com
do i remember someone saying stone pony wont be back next year? if so, its a damn shame.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
Who said that?
He’s 1 year into a 6yr deal!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
i dont remember, nor do i care to go back to the thread from hell
but it was mention he was let go for using his stone pony
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
it was some hoi mixing up stone pony with steve phillips
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
ah. that explains it i guess.
what a shit thread that was
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I'm quite glad I skipped it.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
i like it.
but now wish i was stoned.
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
outstanding
i have been looking for that for years. is this a new one?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
woah really scary in reverse
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
dude
I’m doing you a favor by saying this. It seems like you don’t know when you’re being fucked with. Everybody on this site who’s been reading these last few FanShots knows you are a fan of Figgins, or Figgans, or Foggins, or Faggins, or Bilbo Baggins for that matter.
riddle me this
so the white sox/ozzie guillen claim to fame is “small ball”/ “ozzieball” so we trade our best bunter/basestealler. and we get a decent major league baseball player that does not help this team … thoughts?
errrrrrr
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
how is this not green, people?
pack of a-holes, I tells ya.
...take your hobbit circle jerk to another thread
by larry on May 18, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
That would be a great sig.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ozzieball is something stupid people like you believe in.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
riddle me this..
are you barry rozner?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck it
sign Holliday.
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
indeed
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Hollidey?
why hes the pitchin’est outfielder around!
"Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey.
The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
- Phillies pitcher Tug McGraw, on his plans for his $75,000 salary
Kotsay and Teahen are good utility signings with veteran instincts I can't see how this is a failure when we also got a couple milliion from it
Kenny always plays his cards smart. I think he is building up for something special because it seems like these 2 are good insurance moves because not many new young folks are on the way to join the White Sox other than maybe Jordan Danks. we should expect a pivotal signing of someone special soon and then after they will be broke. So Kotsay and Teahen are the experienced guys to rotate around because you can’t have a sox style rotation of players and lineups with inexperienced youngbloods.
The Ghost of Ron Rivera haunts the Windy City...
by Oso Monstar of Midway on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM CST reply actions
wait, i somewhat agree with this. huh?
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I believe the Sox's window is in 2048
When the world is preparing for the rapture, KW can sign Ken Griffey Jr, II.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 6, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
i say somewhat, though, for i think the window is 2010-2012
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
I like this better
with the $2M
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
who cares whether it's defense or offense.
runs are runs. what about
S-O-M-E-O-N-E-W-H-O-I-S-G-O-O-D
ohhhh, I see where you are going.......Uribe!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
and retherford and morel.
other than that, ship over the knights
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
yep. and from what i can tell viciedo is a bitch.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
Not chicago tough
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
50 cents don't buy much.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I were in town I could see Ground Zero
from my house.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If I were in town I could see Ground Zero
from my house.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 7, 2009 2:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
50 cent
is in a whole nother tax bracket.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
fangraphs on the sox minors
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-minor-review-of-09-chicago-white-sox
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Mobile rec.
Which is almost as good.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Need moar Marks
DeRosa, Ellis. and even Scutaro
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Giles
Prior!
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
McGwire
might be a better hitting coach
Best game I ever attended was the 163rd game last year.
by NorthSidePaulie on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
See larry's previous post.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
On Teahan's splits…
In US Cellular, Comerica, and… the thing in Cleveland whose name I don’t recall… he is slugging about .510 in those parks.
Is it fair to suggest that a move to our park might be just the trick to unlock some power that has been repressed in KC (where he slugged .424)?
By the way, be glad he won’t play in the Metrodome ever again; the numbers are ugly as sin.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
ah yes, the swisher rule
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
The rationale behind the Swisher deal was solid.
Much like the shit he took in the second half of the season.
"I call Dotel, got his ass kick. I call Linebrink, got his ass kick. Everybody I call is the wrong guy. I guess it's my fault!"
i agree
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Dante knows from repression.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
teahan needs to stretch more
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Getting the 2 mil.....
what does Teahan’s roster cost project for next year now?
subtracting Getz's salary
It’ll cost about 2 mil for the whole transaction. You won’t hear it from the Andersons and Camerons of the world, of course.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
i was wondering if cameron would update the post, nothing as of an hour ago
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
I never thought I'd reach hitlesswonder's depressing level of negativity (realism?), but this move has the makings of doing it
Make the team defense worse? Check. Jerk around Beckham some more? Check. Not a whole bunch of $$$ to spend (without a trade of Jenks, of course, which would be selling low)? Check. So it’s looking like another half-assed attempt at winning the Central. Joy.
During an offseason, that would have been a heck of a haul.
Now with teacup and I’m assuming another move for a corner of’er – that makes for a very active offseason.
The patchwork bullpen is what is gonna give me an ulcer though.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'd kinda wish he'd stand down until December
His recent monthly splits:
Nov – Swisher trade II, Linebrink
Dec – Viciedo, Javy trade, Q! trade
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
dont forget the
floyd trade
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's fine -- I'm not pining for them to spend the necessary money on someone like Figgins this winter
I’m just not particularly keen on making the defense (and, subsequently, the pitching) worse by making Beckham learn another new position.
Have you been able to read between the lines regarding RF? Any ideas what the plan is there? I have yet to get to KW’s actual quotes, but I imagine the Danks talk is the writers taking way too seriously his AFL numbers?
i think the concerns regarding beckham's defense are overblown.
and no idea regarding RF. but jordan danks is not going to be the answer.
After watching him play 3b for the first time and performing like he did,
2b should be a breeze for him. It’s also a good idea to get your best infielders where there are more chances. Beckham should be a very good defensive second baseman. We’ll just have to hope Teahen develops into an average fielder if he’s left in one position for a year.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
assuming Savior can adjust to 2B like he did 3B
and Alexei can keep his head on straight, we should have a pretty solid D up the middle.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
But Paulie will catch anything hit right at him. He’s a great “scooper” too.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Teahan is bad at 3b defense
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4511&position=3B/OF#fielding
He’s already had three seperate seasons of 100+ games at third base. Why would 100 more games make him good?
he won a Tiny Gold Glove
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you re: Beckham's defense
my concern is moving him yet again, the third different position for him in the past year. I’m particularly concerned about moving him from 3B to 2B — intuitively that would seem to be a position where he’ll be more susceptible to injury (I seem to recall some discussion about this a while back…), not only because he’ll be ‘learning the ropes’ but also because of the double plays he’ll have to turn.
Regarding KW’s money quote, I think I read that a bit too pessimistically. I could be wrong but I’d say it’s more along the lines of, “No, we’re not going/can’t go out and spend 3/$30 (or something similar) on Figgins, but picking up Thome + a cheap outfielder (Byrd?) is reasonable.”
move Beckham back to short
considering Alexei sure as hell couldn’t handle it. Your shortstop should also be the leader of the infield. Alexei at 2nd. period.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Alexei at SS: decent.
Alexei at 2B: not so much.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
your point doesn't stand. you forgot "period."
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
Alexei killed us at short.
I don’t care what the UZR says… My eyes tell me he lacks concentration and is not very good.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
your eyes are no worse even if they are gouged out souljaboy
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
child please
kiss the baby!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
my eyes have been more right
than wrong.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
says who?
Your Brain? I don’t trust any of your body parts.
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Nov 6, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
haha, rec'd
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 6, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
neither should your wife or daughter.
;)
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
totally. thank god we held on to dye instead of flipping him when his value was high.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
he had a hell of a first half
did he not?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
and ate it in the second half, killing any trade value.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
ok...
we still got production from him correct?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
a .590 ops
isn’t really production
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
well obviously
there was no trade that enticed the sox enough to get rid of him. pretty simple u-god. even you could figure this out.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
?
who the fuck are you?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm chisox2691, but don't mind me.
You keep ranting about how Thome is done, Dye was productive last year, and how bad Alexei is at shortstop.
i said dye was productive in the first half of last year
maybe you need to learn how to read before commenting.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Thome IS done.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
2009 OPS+
Thome: 117
Dye: 102
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Cloggin the paths
"Awarding a difference maker on the field - and in the community at large - has always been baseball's version of a home run." ~Stephen A. Smith
Alexei sucks at short.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 6, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Your eyes are fucking stupid.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 7, 2009 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
So Alexei can play an average SS but he can't hack it at 2B?
that’s most certainly counter-intuitive and wrong.
he's better a shortstop than second baseman
I don’t see how that is outlandish.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Your "Alexei at 2B: not so much" comment seems to say Alexei is a bad second-baseman
but again, it’s tough for me to say that a guy who looks like a decent enough SS can’t play, or would be bad at playing 2B. Seems to me you’re making way too much of his UZR last season without thinking about the context of last season (as well as the fact that it’s a tiny sample size).
Alexei wasn't a good 2B from the start, eye tests and metrics alike thought he was below average there.
But Guillen is still not sure what the long-term plans are for Ramirez.
“Right now we have to work with him at second base if he’s going to make it,’’ Guillen said. "He’s pretty rough at second base. He hasn’t played there that much. I’m going to talk to [general manager] Kenny [Williams] and see what we think and what we’re going to do with this kid. I think he’s got a lot of talent. I’m not sure if he’s going to end at shortstop or second base or play everywhere, but the first game he showed he’s good and showed a lot of speed. He seems like he knows what he’s doing.’’
That’s what Ozzie said in Spring Training 08. Given what we know, I’d say Ramirez was a below average second basemen and it would be questionable to move him back to second. When you’re a shortstop that long, playing on the opposite side of the bag is like playing upside-down. They have a pretty good middle-infield as is, and they have Alexei controlled for four more years so it isn’t like he’s just been holding a spot.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that
Ramirez was likely below average in 2008, sure. I’m just saying that if he were to be moved there permanently, there’s no reason for us to expect he’d be below average there in the future.
And I’m not sure what use a quote from ST ‘08 is — IIRC, it was his first time playing the position. One would expect he’d look quite raw out there.