SBN Baseball Blogger Awards: AL Manager of the Year
by The Cheat on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 AM CST
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Because we need a fresh thread. That last one was starting to smell pretty rank.
| Rk | Manager | Team | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | Pts |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mike Scioscia | Los Angeles Angels | 9 | 8 | 3 | 72 |
| 2 | Ron Gardenhire | Minnesota Twins | 9 | 5 | 1 | 61 |
| 3 | Don Wakamatsu | Seattle Mariners | 6 | 3 | 8 | 47 |
| 4 | Joe Girardi | New York Yankees | 2 | 4 | 2 | 24 |
| 5 | Ron Washington | Texas Rangers | 1 | 4 | 4 | 21 |
| 6 | Terry Francona | Boston Red Sox | 1 | 1 | 3 | 11 |
| 7 | Jim Leyland | Detroit Tigers | - | 2 | 4 | 10 |
| 8 | Joe Maddon | Tampa Bay Rays | - | 1 | 1 | 4 |
| 9 | Ozzie Guillen | Chicago White Sox | - | - | 1 | 1 |
| 10 | Trey Hillman | Kansas City Royals | - | - | 1 | 1 |
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No respect for the elders
LaRussa, Cox, Piniella, Baker, Torre, Manuel? Jim Tracy should get a little love.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
or should move to the AL if they want this award.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Must be the new bifocals
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OPOS.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tracy in a romp in the NL.
LaRussa a distant second.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds about right
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillman: Ozzie without Herm.
And how did the SSS proprietor vote?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i should have kept my ballot
i’m fairly certain i went wakamatsu, washington and scioscia in some order. though gardenhire may have been in there.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why vote at all?
Gardy already had it locked up.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So whens the next deal goin down
Im bored and football sucks right now
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
go to the circus
most fun you can have for $25.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or i could watch it for free
On Tv next Sunday at Lambo
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
vg, vg
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
joe maddon - goes from Genius in 2008 to 8th place in 2009
similar trend Obama is taking….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pods
Based on what KW said
‘As far as Podsednik is concerned, we already had talks and a little bit of dialogue with him. It’s not likely based on what he wants, so we’ll have to look elsewhere.‘’You pick a guy up off the scrap heap who in all likelihood was not going to play any more baseball in the majors unless we grabbed him, and now he’s asking for more than we’re willing to give him? Not that I want him back but you’d think the guy would have a little loyalty.
by Shakey on Nov 9, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He only wants 2 years $8m
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you don't know what the years/numbers are, and you don't want him back anyway,
why would his lack of “loyalty” bother you? Maybe Dye could say the same for the Sox after giving them a discount for signing here?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guess he owes us one i guess for saving him from retirement
as far as dye, dye can’t realistically believe anyone would pay him 12m. i’d be inclined to believe that we would treat him better if he didn’t poop the bed down the stretch this year.
by Shakey on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess the Sox owe HIM one for for coming off the scrap heap and producing.
And for the record, I don’t want him back either. I praise him grudgingly.
And eff his baserunning too.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't even know what he asked for..
The White Sox could have offered a spot in the minor leagues for all you know. Unless someone has the details of what he turned down in comparison to what other offers he will see, I have no reason to believe the guy is any more or less loyal than anyone else in baseball.
by Grinder in Training on Nov 9, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Workers of the world unite!
You owe your employer what you are under contract to do-perform. You employer owes you what they are obligated to remit – the pay and benefits agreed upon in the contract, both parties acting in good faith. This Mafia-like loyalty spiel is horsebleep.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 12:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Why the hell should he take less money to sign with the Sox? He did more than expected in the 2009 season, let him reap the rewards…preferably on some other team.
And WU, what’s up with equating communism to the mafia? Is there something I don’t know?
/giggles
FUCK EVYTHING BACON RULZ WEER GONNA WIN TEH CHAMPSHIOP
...colintj, Nov8, 2009
by rhythm on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Best of both worlds....
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just ask Milton Bradley
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
pods could make the same exact argument to the white sox since he was paid far less than he was worth last year.
teams paying players for past performance is bad business just like players giving discounts to teams is bad for them.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true - but you think he's worth 4m a year?
by Shakey on Nov 9, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no. i think he's essentially worthless going forward.
but i don’t run a baseball team. and i’m not scott. if i were, however, i’d want to get however much money i can get.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya on all accounts
he hasn’t made any $ in his career so i guess he’s trying to make the last one a decent. don’t think he’s gonna get 4m but he can sure try.
by Shakey on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
only if we all had a crystal ball for the future
I would have fired on gold about 15mos ago!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't WU all about face-caving on GLD like a year / year + half ago?
it sounds familiar……
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there was a discussion about it, right after the market crash...can't remember
who said what. Wish I was in gold at the time though!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TY, TSK.
Pete was giving me crap about it. Search GLD. Still long, are we.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 7:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
ok who gave ozzie the vote....
jagoffs.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 9, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm i doubt he needs another portslut
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaaand for shit like this
is why i wish there was a delete button. clearly, this goes to hsa’s next post
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when is that coming out?
Ill need to clear up some reading time
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wedge
gaston, trembley and geren received 0… personally i think geren did a better job with what he had than ozzie did.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 9, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
In my small world
Sciosia and Gardenhire are one two every year.
by spadog on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wakamatsu did a fine job in Seattle this year....very promising for the future of their club.
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mariner-lover.
Take your Asian-LOL circle jerk to another site. Like LOL.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
beckham on the trade
Kenny called me before pulling the trigger on the deal. He basically just asked for my approval on moving to second base. I really appreciated him doing that, but was surprised he even asked. That meant a lot. And it’s really tough to see Chris go as he was my best friend on the team. We had a real good talk last night and I think we both wish we were on the same team, but both of us realize it’s out of our control. And we joked about the two closest friends I had on the team (Getz and Josh Fields), and that I am playing both of their positions. It’s going to be difficult to replace Chris because he was an excellent second baseman and I am sad to see him go.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is this from the Sox' version of The Onion?
If true, interesting precedent for the former rook. Looks like KW might just keep this one around awhile.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
any chance he is friends with Linebrink?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Interesting theory, BBS.
FOG equals ticket to Palookaville/KC.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They don't want anyone getting too close to the chosen one.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice, beckham stabs getz in the back
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same thought here
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about yous guys, but I'm pretty stoked to be among modern plumbing, running water, heat and a shower, after 3.5 days without any of the above.
I smelled like salty urine-soaked neoprene for 3 full days.
I’m a lady.
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
did the cops throw you in the slammer for the weekend, again?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pssh. I would have had plumbing and heat if that were the case.
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I thought maybe you were in Thailand for the weekend.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cambodia
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they don't pay much for port sluts in cambodia and the demand is pretty low
I would hope she would go somewhere where she could earn a little more bang for her buck (or, we probably need to reverse that) ;)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
AND! There was an infestation of spiders and sand fleas during an abnormally high tide on Friday and I got out of the water to discover my board bag covered with thousands upon thousands of bugs. A good 10 to 15 lbs worth of bugs...fucking gross.
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know! As was swimming with not only the usual seals and sea lions, but also seeing what I believe was the fin of a shark on Saturday.
Action-packed weekend.
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta punch those things in the face, fool!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzzzz.
Can the shark play corner OF?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I caught a 25ft swell this weekend that comes around to this coast once every decade. But I'm sorry... I forgot that if the OT wasn't soccer or running (YAAAWWWWN), it wasn't approved for discussion on the site.
We have 6 months to discuss corner outfielders.
I surf nearly every weekend in frigid waters, swimming around the Pacific Ocean, interacting with sea creatures that the majority of you will never see outside of a tank at a goddam aquarium, and talk about it here very little to never.
So, so, SO terribly sorry I brought it up. How could I be so boring!!
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your UZR is in the toilet right now
signature
by billyok on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Frigid.
I believe you. ;)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 3:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
SHREDDIN THE GNARL!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
zzzzzZZZzzzzzz
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Nov 9, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
easy now
I’ve been swimming in that same ocean for the last 26 years, and I have seen my share of sea creatures, out side of a “goddam aquarium.”
25 foot swell? Where were you, at Maverick’s?
Sounds like you’re ready for Waimea Bay.
Be careful out there.
by oahu420 on Nov 9, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy now? I said "the majority"....and was only pointing out that what WU is yawning over (my rarely-discussed OT of surfing) is actually pretty neat and out of the ordinary for "the majority" of people on this board.
The swell was hitting our coast at 25 ft, but I surfed the inner Straits of Juan de Fuca where it was about 8-10 ft in size, but perfectly shaped (which is the rarer on the Pac NW coast) and lining up on the horizon – which so rarely happens here.
No matter my skill level, I have no interest in ever surfing Waimea, nor Mavericks, nor Pipeline, nor Teahupoo, etc….
I’m more of a long-boarder and not enough of an adrenaline junkie to need those big waves. ;)
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
david ngog is a cheating fucking bastard
and should be suspended for his shameful simulation against birmingham city today.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Nov 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't understand a word of that....you'd get along well on LL - they LOVE soccer in this city. :)
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Michael destined to take over for Marlo Stanfield?
another hot OT topic
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
by Illini0509 on Nov 9, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that this morning,
“natural skin cleansing treatment” …my eyeball
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Polyphemus...
I would be careful with what you say about your eyeball….
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 9, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You da man.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why so serious?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
by Hazymania on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"everybody wants to be a brother but nobody wants to be a brother"
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Paul Mooney used different words.....
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i guess the world hasn't quite been desensitized to that yet.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SSS equals The World.
We have become very important.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Elias Rankings Released
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/2009-elias-rankings-released.html
Phew! We can get JH Jr. without giving up any draft picks!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oooh, gregg zaun had his option declined by the rays.
get after him, kenny. then my master plan of trading AJ and having zaun caddy for flowers can come to fruition.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
looks like AJ will be part of the package to TB for Crawford
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's like people can read my draft offseason plan without me having to post it.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did we have to give up hudson?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, but a second round pick to get Zaun, so we'll miss out drafting Johan Danks
a stud SS and the youngest of the Danks boys.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danks boys are the Sox' version
of the Baldwins. Johan is Steven.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Danks' sister plays volleyball at Ohio State
alas, her name does not start with a J.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stalking, UA?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The internet leads to a lot of inadvertent stalking.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
I remember reading an article on the sox site where John was being interviewed about his family and talked about her
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but how big is his chin?
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big enough to rest BHB on it
comfortably
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
well, that's the part i haven't figured out yet.
whole ‘draft’ thing. not sure how much surplus value that needs to be made up in such a trade. Aj is likely to be a type A. crawford is currently a B but close enough that he could be an A pretty easily after next year. then you have to figure out what you think each of their performances will be next year. the problem i’m having is that i think hudson is too much (and obviously this whole thing is premised on flowers sticking around) and the rest of the white sox’ prospects aren’t enough. danks just isn’t that good and OF doesn’t seem to be a position the rays would ideally want, either. throwing in viciedo wouldn’t help, either, because of his salary.
at any rate, i think the rays would want to cut salary significantly if they get rid of crawford so the AJ idea probably is a non-starter anyway.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd team involved...Red Sox always like threesomes.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem selling high and selling the hype on Hudson this winter.
In fact, I think he is our best option for getting solid return for our holes in the OF/DH next year. Look at what we got for McCarthy who was being hyped like Hudson. If not in a Crawford deal, I’d be contacting Colorado about a Hudson for Carlos Gonzalez or Seth Smith deal. They have 5 outfielders who could start for most teams and they need young, cheap pitching.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hudson is NOT mccarthy.
just sayin
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for a start, he's not a righty with a below average fastball.
i’d say there’s a bit more substance to hudson than to mccarthy. though one never knows with pitching prospects.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly. pitching prospects are a crapshoot
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
some have more hype.
sexy minor league numbers don’t make a good major league pitcher. that was the mistake with mccarthy. it’s their stuff, stupid. people often forget that simplicity.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh Poreda
1.5 pitches
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want us to sell high on Hudson
There are several arguments that could be made to consider it. A lot of his success will hinge on the development of this 3rd pitch. I can’t say that his mechanics will make him more prone to injury, but they don’t resemble those of say Buehrle’s that have proven to be sustain lower risk. He has shown a tendency towards the fly ball. Clearly our minor league clubs are rather depleted of top-tier talent, but the starting rotation is our greatest strength and in least need of support.
I had trouble thinking of the combination of suitor/reasonable return for Hudson. Ideally, I think he’d be packaged with either AJ or Jenks to provide us financial flexibility for the salary we’d be accepting through said trade or either on the FA market. This obviously isn’t the type of deal KW needs to force, but I feel it’s something he should pursue to address our weak offense
by 3E8 on Nov 9, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GM's don't sell high
If you trade a player, the other team will most likely not give up anything more than the player’s value. Whatever that may be is up to them to decide, but it won’t be based purely on Hudson’s minor league numbers.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 9, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the good gm's do.
And you don’t have to get back more value than you are trading. You should be trading from a strength to acquire a good player you have a need for.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GM's don't buy high, I mean.
It’s hard for GMs to sell high when no one buys it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Nov 9, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't KW's history offer plenty of counterexamples?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Nov 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DB, surely you jest.
See Cubs, Chicago and Mets, New York re: GM’s who have a history of buying high.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 9:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
tim dierkes = dantesox?
19. Vladimir Guerrero – White Sox. The White Sox would generate attention by signing Vlad as a DH and occasional right fielder. Landing Guerrero would also be a solid baseball move on a reasonable one-year deal.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/11/2010-top-50-free-agents.html
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just vomitted..........
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vlad is a good contract. aj is a bad contract.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
vlad = broken down horse
I’d take Thomer back over vlad.
I agree about AJ….but could be a Type A as you stated above. Trade bait this offseason or next deadline.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO NOT A J!!!!!!!!!
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clearly
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats all walker needs
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's already Walker approved swinging at the 1st pitch 60% of the time.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
must.....resist.....shitting....on....thread!
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, we know he ain't WTGTD
46. Jim Thome – Athletics. The A’s should have their pick of affordable free agent DHs. Thome’s not done; he hit .249/.366/.481 this year.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KenWo is also on the vladdy bandwagon.
If the terms are right he is a great signing.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO! We're going the wrong way here
Follow me back to the Figgins bandwagon now…
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT
60 second limelapse of the chicago river over 24 hours. its pretty cool
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 5:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i could maybe possibly potentially get behind that.
i dont like his salary
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
though id prefer brad hawpe.
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for DH only, I agree.
He’s a statue in the outfield.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep. just checked out his defensive (in)ability
Blasting one into a Christmas ham like her is so passe. - RWShow
by BoeJouma on Nov 9, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR/150 of -46 in 2008
yeah i believe that. a one-armed, one-legged OF could not cost you that many runs.
by Hatchetm on Nov 9, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TB exercises Crawford, $10M
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 9, 2009 5:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I might even start exercising for $10M
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that trade is dead
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how were we going to trade for him otherwise?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
brain freeze
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cant say Im a big fan of that idea though
Really dont want to give up AJ’s “bad” contract or Hudsons potential for what will probably be only one year of Crawford
Jenks maybe…
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Offseason over.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 8:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
As for 20-year-old Dayan Viciedo, Williams hasn’t completely ruled out Viciedo staying at third base, adding that farm director Buddy Bell has been supportive of Viciedo’s development.
“Do we think ultimately he might go to the other side (first base) because of the athleticism we want and the way we’re shaped?” Williams asked. “There’s a possibility, but it’s too soon because you don’t know when the next deal may come.”
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nah, keep him at third
afterall, look at the great depth we have at first base in the minors!
oh wait
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the real question:
what fringe MLB first baseman is going to play in Charlotte this year to succeed the thrones of Brad Eldred, Ben Broussard, and Daryle Ward?
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
YOU FORGOT BRIAN MYROW
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap. I can't believe I forgot the illustrious Brian Myrow.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because of...
the “way we’re shaped” or the way Viciendo is shaped? Or has he slipped down (serious question)?
by palehose67 on Nov 10, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even so, White Sox general manager Ken Williams said he would ask for Quentin’s permission to move him from left field if there was a deal that would require Quentin to switch positions.
Williams said he sought assurances last week from Gordon Beckham before acquiring Mark Teahen, which will cause Beckham to move from third base to second.
“If I were to move Carlos Quentin from right field, I’d absolutely would have that conversation with him first,” Williams said.
by larry on Nov 9, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why does Kenny say move "from" RF?
I know JD’s defense is forgettable, but sheesh….
by homesickalien on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Q's natural position RF?
his #’s in fangraphs are better in RF than LF, course that was years ago before his foot/knee acted up.
by Shakey on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were KW, I'd be checking with Ozzie.
Fuck Q! and Beckham, they play where Oz tells them to play.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's in anyone's interest to give Ozzie that much discretion
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Nov 9, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's better than giving the discetion to the players.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 9, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would we be doing that? to find out how to duplicate Q and Bacons good DNA traits?
;-)
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 9, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't call him Bacon, G-dammit.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't KW...
pray to Q every day already?
by palehose67 on Nov 10, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the goddamn gamethread?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lukewarm stove horseshit:
ChiSox looking for more offense — 6:03 p.m.
Several days after acquiring Mark Teahen from Kansas City, White Sox general manager Kenny Williams said he would like to add another left-handed bat to his lineup.
“As we stand right now, there’s not anything obvious that we need, other than perhaps another left-handed hitter,” Williams said Monday. “Whether that guy’s a power guy, or an on-base-percentage/speed guy, or some combination of both, I don’t know.”
Kenny Williams is eyeing some more pop. (Jonathan Daniel / Getty Images)
But after adding Alex Rios and Jake Peavy during the season, it doesn’t appear that the White Sox will invest heavily in the free agent market.
In time, the Chicago farm system could produce the left-handed hitter that Williams wants. The GM said he feels “the same way about” 23-year-old outfielder Jordan Danks “as I felt about Gordon Beckham at this stage last year.”
“That’s pretty good,” Williams added.
Beckham, of course, came up this season and blossomed into a Rookie of the Year candidate. Beckham is slated to play second base in 2010.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/10344432/LIVE:-blog-from-MLB’s-GM-meetings
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Danks will be traded tomorrow
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Nov 9, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
plant that seed, kenny
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not till brother John signs an extension though
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
by Brush Back on Nov 10, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pods talks are back on!
De Luca says talks are heating up
That would be kickass: Teahen and Pods being the big offseason acquisitions, and costing actual money at that. What’s the point of trading for Peavy if you have to fill 33% of your batting order with crap?
by hitlesswonder on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can get Pods and Timo back on a joint contract
Mac and Charlie style.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but what if uribe ends up eating the contract?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Nov 10, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
let's sign Pods, trade him for Carl Crawford, trade Crawford for prospects and release those prospects to sign Vlad, and then trade Vlad for Pods
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by billyok on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like it
But where does Carl Everette fit into this deal?
We first got our hair cut today. I am not very happy with this result.
-Rinku
by SonOfCron on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
prospects
duh
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Nov 10, 2009 6:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KW driving?
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
by Brush Back on Nov 10, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the better crashes.
The bus punched a hole in a bathroom, so you could see water shooting out of what used to be a faucet.
Between the big hole in the house, and the pile of bricks in the bus, it’s amazing that no one was seriously hurt.
by 67WMAQ on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Soon to be $3 a ride
OPOS still free!
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Free rides for seniors may be Blago's lasting legacy.
He may be an alleged felon with a dirty mouth…but he laid down one dandy political third rail.
Unfortunately, we have to pay the bills.
by 67WMAQ on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I say we use seniors for Space Exploration...
1-They are light, so sending them up is cheaper than young-uns with muscle mass.
2- They will appreciate the lack of gravity for their joints
3- they dont eat much, so can go farther on more
4- dont mind sleep- hyper or other types.
5- we got lots of em!
My Modest Proposal, anyway….
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus they can't fall and break their hip
That could be a selling point along with telling them it is a free ride!
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 10, 2009 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No one seriously hurt.
Driver.
3, 4, 5 passengers
5 or 6 sleeping in the house.
Miracle.
by ballyb on Nov 10, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
beckham sixth in sbnation rookie of the year poll
by larry on Nov 10, 2009 8:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Second position player though.
I can’t really argue with Andrus topping the list but Beckham should be ranked higher than all the pitchers, imo.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 10, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might in this situation disagree.
I still think Porcello was more “impactful” in his team’s games than was Becks, even though he had fewer opportunities. I of couse have nothing to back this up. Shred away.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 9:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham basher
I expected as much from you.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 10, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like his versatility.
We should move him to C and trade AJ and T-Flow for a whole OF. Teahann, Che, CJ/Nix, and Scooper in the IF.
And Becks at the dish. At least long enough to Buck someone and get even.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're thinking out of the box. I agree.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why was SSS not informed of this poll?
or was it a silver platinum poll?
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa
Would he be an option for LF? I have no idea what his asking price is going to be.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Nov 10, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
how about we aim for something higher than below average offensive production from our corner outfielders.
by larry on Nov 10, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be happy if the Sox aim higher than Pods-average production from the corner
by hitlesswonder on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clubhouse character is what we need.
no clowning around, no pies, no long hair, no talking to the media, no football. we were champions in 05, damnit.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it mentioned that Dotel, a Type A, filed for FA?
I may have missed it.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091109&content_id=7644394&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Don't think it was mentioned.
But we have Pena, so no loss, right?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure he was shocked to learn that a player eligible for free agency filed for free agency.
rare occurrence.
by larry on Nov 10, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where's his loyalty?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Nov 10, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
especially since he already told dotel he is not in the plans for 2010.
but whatevs. i wouldn’t mind offering arb. if he accepts, lose jenks and make dotel the closer.
by Hatchetm on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(Hair stands on end.)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
(Lights self on fire)
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
(Lights self on fire)
i'm celebrating the slaughter of the indigenous peoples of the western hemisphere.
what the fuck are you doing? - larry
by Scotty Ballgame on Nov 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Throws up a little in my mouth
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're missing something
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobodys talking about Sammy Sosa?
i must be the man who knew to little
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions
by Czheck on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who is this SoSo you are referring to?
The only soso I know is….
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you meant to link
to this from 4 days ago.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: After reviewing the new MLB World Series Films DVD set, I have decided to marry it
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by billyok on Nov 10, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
PR weeps.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Nov 10, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plan to wear white,
or are you a whore?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense...
He talk to himself, why not marry a DVD? Insanity is often the little voice in your head at the end of the day asking “Isn’t there room for one more?”
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you repeat that?
Someone else was talking to me…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just a DVD
20 DVDs and a picture book
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by billyok on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a shame
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't you just be happy for me
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by billyok on Nov 10, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because it scares me
and you love DVDs!!!!!!!!! WTH BILLY!!!!!!!
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pehaps I was not direct enough in my previous question:
DO YOU PLAN TO WEAR WHITE, OR ARE YOU DIRTY?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR HYMAN IZ?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Nov 10, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His lawyer is in court...
Sol Hymen…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Nov 10, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
buehrle got a gold glove
Ugh that season completely sucked but i have so many other things to look forward to. GO BLACKHAWKS! GO BEARS! 2010 WHITE SOX!
by pierzynskirules on Nov 10, 2009 2:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bout damn time
id rather have a 24 year old (human years) dog that has advanced parkinson’s batting for our team than vlad.
-BoeJouma
by blackoutsox on Nov 10, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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