Sox Decline Arb on Dotel, Dye, Castro, and Pods
The White Sox have decided against offering salary arbitration to their free agents, outfielder Jermaine Dye, right-handed reliever Octavio Dotel, outfielder Scott Podsednik and backup catcher Ramon Castro, a decision needing to be made by 11 p.m. CT on Tuesday.
And in the process of coming to this financial conclusion, they might have helped Dotel's value on the open market.
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It should be noted that when I first read the title, I thought
“Pods and Castro were type A or B???” which of course was completly untrue
didnt know you could still offer arb to non-A/B types though I probably should have been able to guess that
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
I don't get why
they wouldn’t offer it to Dotel. If he accepts you get a reliever you desperately need. If he declines you get 2 picks. Seems like a no brainer to me. Sox dropped the ball here.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Actually, I agree here
If we’re going to waste 3-4 million on Crockpot, then we can afford the risk of Dotel/draftpicks
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
actually yeah...
did you see that bullpen last year? At least he could come in and get a big strikeout for you….nobody else from the right side seemed to be able to handle that job. I would feel a lot better with Dotel in that pen than without. He’s obviously a better option than Linebrink and Pena.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Liney? Sure.
Pena? Not so obvious. 44% of the time Dotel had the 3 True Outcomes as his outcome. Too many dingers/BB’s for my taste. And he’s another year older.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
so you wouldn't have offered it?
sure he isn’t the best reliever… but i think he is better than what we have now (and that we are going to get)…. he wouldn’t have been a major cost…. if he signed elsewhere you would get picks… i don’t see the downside…. and I believe come june/july everyone will want relief help.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I wanted to keep Dotel.
But this is the last time I’m agreeing with you! :)
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
shit
we agree on this too i guess.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I've changed my stance, now knowing how costly he is. I no want that!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
i'm still curious as to how mick10 came up with 7 million?
seems a little steep…or exaggerated.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
He made $6MM last year.
Wagner just signed for $7MM. Dotel’s price is only going up. Hence the $7MM.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
dotel isn't billy wagner
at any rate, not that it makes much difference, but he’d be much more likely to have gotten essentially what he got last season instead of a large raise.
$6MM to $7MM is not that large, in MLB context.
And yes, he’s not Wagner. He isn’t recovering from surgery, either. Nor is he 38 years old. Just sayin’. (And it’s an estimate for argument’s sake.)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
same
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
He probably would have cost the sox around $7m through arbitration.
He is not worth that. I would much rather fill a bullpen spot with Hudson or another arm from our system at the minimum and spend the money on an outfield bat.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Dec 2, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
psssh. Logic.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure why folks do not get the "relievers are fungible" idea
and spend resources on other areas.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
tell that to the Braves...see what Wagner is getting! Ouch.
But, I totally agree with mick
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
It's not that for me as much as... I just liked Dotel.
But I do agree: bat, please.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I don't pay too much attention to salaries and had no idea he was making that much. Holy shit.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
hmmmm
sounds like my wife. I didn’t really look at the price tag….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
7 million?
where do you come up with these figures?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
good work
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
are you the artist formerly
known as jc2313?
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
you could probably get the same production for two minor league arms and some veteran 1M flier
relievers are fungible.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
i hope kdub goes back to that approach
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
He thought he could steal one in 2008.
Sometimes you get the bear. Sometimes the bear gets you.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
if this is the big bear you're referring to?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
to be fair to liney though, that brilliant first half did help us steal 2008
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't see this post when I posted above.
Sorry for the redundancy.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Your kid can't come soon enough.
Less frequent posting.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
if relievers are fungible..
how come ours always fucking suck?
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do your research.
Did we not have one of the best bullpens in 2005? Has Jenks not been one of the more reliable closers in MLB? Has Thornton not been one of the best set-up guys? You are talking about depth. You don’t pay a lot for depth.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Is that you Joe Morgan?
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 10:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If anything its the opposite effect
We “watch them play the games” and see the bad bullpen performances but ignore the good ones, and don’t seem to realize almost everyone’s bullpen is bad somewhere, ours is bad in fewer places than most.
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
2005?
I was 25 then with no kids. That was a long time ago. All I know is the last 4 years the bullpen has been fucking bad news man….. Thornton has been good as a lefty set up guy… but we haven’t had a great righty since cliff politte pulled a good year out of his rear in 2005…. Dotel has been the best we have had. Just wait til june and everyone is bitching how bad the bullpen sucks. It happens every year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
carrasco, jenks, thornton?????????????????????????????????????????
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
flagged for idiocy
kdub has built much better bullpens in the past on the cheap
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Linebrink-suckitude has clouded a lot of our minds....it did mine for awhile.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
bobby, i'm not sure what you mean
do you mean that you forget that kdub in the past favored a different approach and was successful?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
no
I was stating that KenWo4LiFe’s quote of our relievers always sucking isn’t a correct statement.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
i think its pretty spot on.
Ozzie goes to his pen way to much and way too many of the guys in there slob knob.
Kenwo4life=ratings
courtesy of The Bill James Handbook, by way of SoxMachine
Ozzie Guillen used the second-fewest relievers of any manager, five more than Don Wakamatsu.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I was thinking this was the case...thanks for the proof!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
i was just going to post that, didn't cheat cite this as well
who needs the proof if you’re kenwo
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I saw a lot of Dotel's straight fastballs
get hit over the fence
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 1:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how dare you use stats and facts
to prove kenwo’s opinion incorrect.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Dec 2, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
kenwo is a idiot
i don’t give a shit if he’s better than michael jordan in hoops or if he has season tickets (which gives him the seeing ability you know) to justify his inability to read insightful analysis and comments by others on this site.
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
i disagree
kenwo is right an awful lot considering he’s barely literate and lazy as hell.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
by colintj on Dec 2, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
as are other folks on soxtalk, what's supposed to make this site different?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
kenwo = ratings
he’s a diamond larry shoud’ve left in the rough
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
hey you rat...
I’m allowed to have an opinion. More times than not my opinions are right…. just wait. In june/july we will be wishing Dotel was in the pen when Carasco comes in with a man on 3rd and 2 outs and gives up a hit for the 5th time in a row instead of a K like Dotel would provide… You’ll see.
Kenwo4life=ratings
if carasco is your 2nd best reliver
you are in big trouble.
there is a solid chance he is going to be your best righty
considering all the talk about moving jenks.
Kenwo4life=ratings
He WAS our best right-handed bullpen pitcher last season.
Did a damn fine job.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
that he did...
but I think Pods is more likely to repeat his performance than DJ is… and we all know that pods has no chance in hell at repeating his 2009.
Kenwo4life=ratings
But the swines....they flu!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
lol
you knew that would happen the month after a black guy became president!!!!
I actually heard that from a black co-worker…. so brothers of SSS leave me be.
Kenwo4life=ratings
and just how is a man supposed to reach 3rd base against our starters?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
by mick10 on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he still goes to it too much
just because the rest of the managers are clowns as well doesn’t justify his use of the pen. leave the fucking starter in…. pitch counts are for pussies!
Kenwo4life=ratings
replacement level for relievers is 4.50 ERA
that’s average performance for a starter. it’s not that hard to justify bringing someone in from the bullpen.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
don't make me quote myself
(mumbles something about a website lacking in existential concerns)
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
rec
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
gold is fungible too
but it costs a lot.
unless you have your own mine.
“being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable”
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
you're joking right?
i assume. fungible means like a commodity…easily replaced. but certainly not at no value.
gold isn't like FAT
freely available implies a cost, but it’s a near zero relative cost. gold is obviously not easily substituted or freely available.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
dude, gold is the perfect example of fungible
econ 101 man.
i can hook you up with as much gold as you want in like 10 minutes if you have the cash. you don’t like that seller? well i can find you 10,000 others.
that's why its used for currency
your gold = my gold. perfectly substitutable
moar
An example of the use of fungibility in economics is gold, which is often said to be fungible. This means that one gram of gold is equivalent to any other gram of gold. There is no qualitative difference between one example of the commodity and another. Wool on the other hand is less fungible. One bale of wool is not necessarily qualitatively equivalent to another bale of wool. In discussions about the characteristics of money, the term often refers to qualitative equivalence with regards to market value. So one gram of gold is worth as much as any other gram of gold while the value of wool bales varies due to differences in quality.
starting over...
the phrase “relievers are fungible” is meant to convey that relievers are more fungible than position players or starters. variance in performance is lower; replacement level is higher. spending should reflect that proportionally.
if they are like gold in that any individual bit of gold is like any other, that’s fine — though it seems crude: any weight of gold is literally worth the same as another equivalent weight, one reliever is not exactly like the other. the differences in one starter to the next make relievers relatively fungible by comparison. so i assumed you were implying that gold was similarly ill-valued relative to possible other commodities.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
no, i meant you generally get what you pay for...
in 2008, 42 relievers were signed as free agents for contracts of less than $1.5million.
32 actually pitched in the majors in 2009
8 were able to pitch 45 innings with an ERA less than 4.5
3 of those would actually have been classified as “good”
the names: saito, aardsma(!), cormier
so by chance about 1 in 12 of these guys turned out to be good.
i generally agree
but paying out 11M for 1.4 WAR over 2 years seemed to kenwo to be a good investment.
in your example (sss warning, obvs), it takes 5 to ensure replacement level performance from 1 relief spot. if you’re like every other club and you already have a few such pitchers at the minimum, grabbing 2 more for 3M total guarantees replacement level performance and still leaves you significantly below the Dotel/Linebrink cost curve.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
OK.
so now you have 1 spot filled. 2-3 more to go!
are we building an entire new bullpen here?
thought we were talking about on the margin
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
i dunno what's going to happen
but assuming jenks is dealt, we have:
1. thornton
2. carrasco
3. pena
4. linebrink
5. replacement jones
that looks pretty iffy to me.
Hudson, Link, Santeliz, and Santos
are all candidates as well.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
there will be a lot of leads coughed up
in the 7th and 8th if you are counting on DJ. Dotel would look nice right there at number 2.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Sigh.
Relievers are a commodity. Gold is a commodity. Ballplayers are a commodity. Some commodities are more valuable than others in trade. Some gold is better than other gold. Diamonds are more valuable than gold (unless the diamond is scratched/cracked/discolored).
Hatch is saying everything is for sale and can be transacted quickly. Not all commodities are equal.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
i get all that
i don’t understand why that’s relevant to the discussion.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
uh Colin, you know that was wu right?
kenwo+wu=ratings+irrelevance
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Yeah, I guess I should've married someone
who won a contest. I’d have much more to write about.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
i thought it was
ratings + racism
i was stuck trying to figure out how the white man was getting burned this time
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Hey, what site was that you e-mailed me, and for what purpose?
Froze my computer.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
http://fisters4obama.org
It’ll be self-explanatory once you get there.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
it was an mp3 of tGoTJ w/ Morello
not the same take, but a solid live recording. the Youtube vid had significantly worse sound. thought you’d get a kick out of it.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
A commodity, at least in my lexicon,
tends to perhaps be less valuable if it is easily sold/transacted. My use of “fungible” was to mean thae same as yours – not as valuable. Perhaps I’m equating “commodity” (e.g. gold) with fungible in the sense that my wife is an asset, and may be a commodity to some, but is not “fungible” to me and thus worth more than gold.
(Let the jokes commence about wives/fungibility/marriages.)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
So this fungible wife walks into a bar.....
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
isn't there a cream that will clear that up?
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
you could probably get the same production for two minor league arms and some veteran 1M flier
maybe assuming you had two decent minor league arms.
he wasn't going to decline
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
jake peavy is going to suck eggs
says right here in fangraphs
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions
I'd be shocked if he pitched an ERA in the low 3's, too.
But if he’s healthy he should be just fine.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Heh
There aren’t that many doubles and triples legged out in the Cell. That’s because those batters are too busy leisurely trotting around the bases, while Hawk Harrelson shrilly does his best to shatter every window in the greater Chicago area.
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
That's assuming every household in the greater Chicago area is watching Sox games.
Not bloody likely.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Hawk's glorious yells penetrate entire neighborhoods from one household.
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Speaking of Hawk,
he must be PO’ed that Bobby Bowden is getting all the credit for popularizing “dadgummit”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Agree with mick10
offering dotel arb would have been a huge mistake. He made $6 million last year. So with arb he was likely around 7 million. To get an idea of the reliever market Billy Wagner just signed for 7 million! Dotel will be ecstatic if he gets 3 mill on the open market. he would’ve accepted arb so fast your head would have spun. If you want dotel, you can still get him for much less than 7 mill.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
You are a smart man.
Only because I agree with 90% of your ideas.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
that reference might be too
old school these days!
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
SSH is timeless.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Is he still banned for life?
The Pete Rose of SSS?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Life, like real life,
or life, like Steve Howe-life?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I mean is he eligible for the SSS Hall of Fame after his death or does his ban carry over into the afterlife as well?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
It carries over, but him dying in 10+ years will probably cause the un-ban if anything
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Excommunicated!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
In my opinion
the Wagner signing is atrocious. (and Tiger Woods could have done better)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
atrocius for him
or for the braves?
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
the braves!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Amazing what a recovering economy
and investment portfolio, in conjunction with free money (0% interest rates), does for business confidence.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
If I were a Free Agent, I would demand to be paid in Euro's
alla, Gisele….oooohhhh my lovely Gisele (pre-pregnancy)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Can people still pay pesos for a pizza in Dallas?
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
that's a lot of peso's...like a 5-gallon bucket.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
5-gallon bucket...
5-gallon bucket of pesos…
5-gallon bucket of pesos medium 1-topping pizzaaaa…
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Do they not consider prostitution a job in Michigan?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
It is a part-time position for most of the self-employed
Therefore, not counted in the monthly statistics from the Dept. of Employment Security.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes you feel like a nut,
sometimes you advise tax fraud.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Not any better in Rockford
Keep in mind employment numbers only include people actively looking for a job…
plus Braves hand over their first round to the Red Sox
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yup
a lot to give up for a 38-year old reliever, a year removed from Tommy John surgery.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
they could potentially get two first rounders and two supplemental picks back though.
Evidently, they made the decision that Wagner was worth more than either or both Gonzalez and Soriano. I’m not sure I agree with their move but I don’t think $7m is too bad a deal for Wagner. He still brings it in the mid 90’s from the left side.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
Yeah, the Red Sox know how to do it.
That was a good move by them last year, and its paying for itself now.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
To me the best
part of that article was " Podsednik’s camp …… the White Sox aren’t willing to go more than one year.’ I mean I figured this was the case but I did have a recurring nightmare that KW was gonna do a “liney” and sign pods for 2 years. It appears they are taking the appropriate approach with pods: one year, low price, no starting position guarantee or nada.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
I miss you already Pods
But don’t worry — once you sign somwhere we’ll trade prospects to get you back
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by billyok on Dec 2, 2009 10:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Scotty Pods = Roberto Alomar - HIV
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 10:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
GET OUTTA MY HEAD
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 10:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
wouldn't it be?
scotty pods+dinosaurs=Carl Everett
if you add the claims about dinosaurs to pods you equal everett.
fuck it
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Dec 2, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
haha, close
I meant more of ‘existance of dinosaurs’ plus Hot Carl gives dinosaurs. But, if you consider ‘dinosaurs’ to mean ‘comments about’ then yes, your algebra is correct.
x = dispute with umpires
Pods = Alomar – spit
Pods + headbutt = Everett
Therefore: Alomar – spit = Everett – headbutt
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 12:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so
Everett = (Alomar – spit) / headbutt ??
and then
spit – headbutt = 33º 00’ N and 65º 00’ E = coordinates of Bin laden’s hideout?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
bingo
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
no
to get rid of subtraction you add, not divide!
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
really,
been awhile. But, you can’t divide each side by headbutt?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think it would be
(Everett – headbutt)/ headbutt or
(Everett/headbutt) – 1
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I had to revisit this and I think I am right
Alomar – Spit = Everett – headbutt
For Example:
Alomar = 2
Spit = 1
Everett = 4
headbutt = 3
So
2-1 = 4-3
Then
(2-1)/3 = (4-3)/3
1/3 = 1/3
No?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
doesn't work, by using numbers
you’re implying there is a known relationship between headbutt, spit, alomar and everett other then the Transitive Propery of Pods, TPoP for short.
TPoP gives us Alomar – Spit = Everett – Headbutt, to divide each side by Headbutt…
( A – S )/ H = ( E – H ) / H
( A – S )/H = E / H – H / H
( A – S )/H = E / H – 1
( A – S )/H + 1 = E / H
I don’t know what “Everett divided by Headbutt” equals, but I doubt its Bin Laden.
by coffeepac on Dec 2, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was working on that same calculation when
the battery in my TI BA II Plus Financial Calculator died. I was so fucking close to finding Bin Laden. Dammit!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 3, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
thank god you cleared that up for me,
i was losing sleep over it
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Dec 3, 2009 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
right
he will be a sox in 10
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
This thread has gone to shit
I am as much to blame for it. We got an econ class and an algebra class going and we are barely into December
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 2, 2009 1:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Well, if some of the so called editors would hurry up
and have their sit down with the five families and resolve their views and post their thoughts of what KW should do this offseason, well we wouldn’t haven’t to resort to fucking math. Where’s the gamethread?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
BM posted it last night.
Crooks south of the border, too, not just MLB umps.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I'd post what I think they should do.
But I know they wont do it.
And that makes me sad.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
finally a picture!
I was getting sick of all of the formulas.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pictures? You wanted pictures?
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Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
.
waiting for shaun phigguns since 2007
by soxshenanigans on Dec 3, 2009 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
workin on something currently
not what you asked for, but a new thread anyways
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
pretty good
in a temp cast til Friday. final surgery went without flaws. holes where the wires were are healing without infection. got a lot of PT to do, but should be fully back to normal by February. thanks for asking.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
You play ball like a girl!
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
the left was just a heavy sprain
the right was a break and dislocation. the cast was exactly what the one from the pity party painting you posted looked like.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
for some reason, I was thinking you tied a world record for broken wrists in one accident.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
nah
do like that phrasing though. also very curious on your opinion when my next article is up.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
oh shit, as much as i dislike you as a human being.
i never want to see anyone have to go through shit like that. get well. you still suck.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
except
marketmaker.
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
"i never want to see anyone have to go through shit like that."
read, old man!
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
"you still suck." ..... and then... "except marketmaker."
The old man was reading!
Comprehend!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
hey be nice!
i thought we were homies???
"you should go back to your cowardly practice of offering no opinion of your own."
-picktoclick
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
How was that not nice? I didn't even call you any number of horrible names there....
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Kiss-ass!
;*
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
hey asshole
what exactly do you contribute to this site ;)
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
never fear!
I’ve been contemplating my thoughts on the hall of fame for a lovely article.
Kenwo4life=ratings
rock raines!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 2:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
remember, albert belle can only be allowed in once.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
well he can't at all now because he mindlessly didn't receive the votes to stay on the ballot
are you serious? I have major issues with this. me and jesse ventura are going to uncover this conspiracy.
Kenwo4life=ratings
There is no fcking way the White Sox should be paying
7 million for a middle reliever. The fungible argument is good but I’d side more with volatitity. Too many uncle Cliffs who sold their soul to the devil and regressed a great deal the next year. Personally I think Pena will be better than Dotel anyway next year.
Ozzie doesn’t use the pen much and the starters are A+. The Sox get in trouble when they “try” and buy a pen.
"Oh well back to work"
Look at the top 100 of BP's Adjusted Runs Prevented for scoring for relievers
Yes there are some big paid names there but also plenty of “wtf” relievers.
"Oh well back to work"
didn't nick magic have some unreal BABIP last year?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
indeed, masset was luckier than a motherfuck last year
Year BABIP
2006 0.306
2007 0.357
2008 0.327
2009 0.250
His WHIP was 1.03 in 2009, yikes
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
7 million should get you 7 relievers
more or less.
I'm assuming this is some sort of inside joke insult at me
but like TDogg is pointing out above, you should be able to get several relievers(I realize 7 is a bit much but the post was tongue in cheek) for the money that was spent on Dotel, throw them against the wall, and see what sticks.
I believe you should be the heir to Darrin McGavin in the remake of
“A Christmas Story”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Nah, billy's more like the kid brother
“My little brother had not eaten voluntarily in over three years. "
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
so who crashed this bitch?
any ideas? Too much Dotel talk?
Cheat was short on the bills because he bought that damn mug.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Savior can bring them home (OBI%). Tied for 1st in MLB.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9813
Thome 2nd in MLB in knocking them in from 1st base. Who needs that?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
not clutch
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 2, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
wow
I come back and there’s an economics class, math class, and theology class going on at the same time
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
hey I just realized this was on the FP, my first one! sweet
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
I remember that.
It’s been a long time.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Yeah....I edited out your "NOOOOOO" and copied a blurb from the article instead... Thanks for the link, though.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 2, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
actually I put a blurb in
I tried using two categories, the link category and the quote category, but only the link with comment showed up and I gave up
and no problem
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
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