D.J. Carrasco: Nay
D.J. Carrasco, arguably the White Sox' second most valuable reliever last season, is rumored to be a non-tender candidate. With a bullpen that already appears to be getting full with Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, J.J. Putz, Scott Linebrink, Tony Pena and a LOOGY to be named later (currently Raaaaaaaaaandy Williams), the team could decide that the $500K or so raise Carrasco is likely to seek in arbitration could be better spent elsewhere. Daniel Hudson in particular is a candidate for a multi-inning role, or perhaps a Clevelan Santeliz or Jhonny Nunez - all at half the cost. Then again, it's only $500K and, if the White Sox decide to go in a different direction in Spring Training or before, they may only owe Carrasco 30-45 days of termination pay instead of the entire contract.
What say you?
Edit: Of course, the only vote that counts is KW, and he voted 'Nay'.
Carrasco was kind enough to address the 88% of White Sox fans who wanted him to return: "One of the reasons I'm going to miss Chicago is the passion and knowledge of the White Sox fans," said Carrasco, when asked if he had heard of fans' disappointment over his departure. "It holds a special place in my heart that they wanted me back."
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we're stuck with that albatross
RE: carrasco the last point (30-45 day termination) makes this a no-brainer
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
we'll get negative value
i expect we would have to give $$ as well, i can’t expect any team to take on that contract
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 12, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
No brainer.
Even if he doesn’t fit in Kenny’s plans, he has trade value, does he not? Also, with Garcia being our 5th starter and Torres/Hudson unproven, he’s a good backup plan when Garcia goes on the DL.
trade value?
i suppose we can always use another A ball reliever. but, yes, it’s not like they’d be stuck with him.
Maybe we could trade him to the bucs,
Try to get Michael Dubee back… trading him for andy phillips was a huge mistake that kenny will rectify for sho.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Looking forward to another Gordon Beckham...?
Should be quality at 13 right..?
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Supposedly a weak draft
So perhaps not.
http://twitter.com/FutureSox
by The Big Hurt on Dec 12, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
damnation...
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
every year around this time i hear how the following years' draft is perceived.
and am amused. it’s seven months away.
Just scanning crap media...
came across the sox with the 13th… 52nd… 84th …. 103rd…. 117th…
numbers will get pushed down as top free agents still have to sign but having 5 of the first 120 picks is never a bad thing…
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
We can't get rid of carrasco.
He is the definition of Chicago tough.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ot:
What does cowley have against the trib again? Every time I read his tweets he is attacking the tower.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 1:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
P-U-T-Z PutzPutzPutz
another no brainer.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
you cant say that when it was my idea initially
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Might have been your idea but I own the copyrights
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 12, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
[Pours bottle of tabasco on floor]
He was cheap for the money.

by vince_ on Dec 12, 2009 1:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yay on DJC
This guy’s value for our team is HUGE. Every time he eats up 4-5 innings in games we fall way behind early or when it is obvious our starter doesn’t have it goes a long way in saving the whole staff. I put a lot of value on his role thruout an entire season. Maybe someone will take a portion of Linebrink’s contract and we can use whatever that amount is as money to keep DJC.
why the hell not?
worst case, trade him for an A baller.
OT: Just got back from the clubhouse sale
OK, awesome time! Chilling in the visitors dugout, called in a few relievers using bullpen phones. Took pictures of all the lockers, AND punched the Southpaw. Also saw the guys prepping for the White Sox weekly radio show, they will do it from there.
The deals were not bad either. Everything 20% off and then additional -$5. You can get Field’s game used bat for $30, JD’s for $250. Bought some pictures, baseballs, a few shirts.
Great seeing our clubhouse and how the lockers are set. MB next to AJ, and MB’s locker had rather big AJ’s sticker on the wall, it was hilarious. JD’s and Dotel name tags still there.
If you have some time, go there tomorrow, they will be doing it from 10am till 4pm again. Really worth and you will have a great time, especially in the dugout.
Lupe, release the balloons!
How much are the used jerseys?
"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams
by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
i came close to buying the Uribe for 100
or the Big Hurt for 750!!!! Jerry Owens is the bargain deal at 65 bucks.
Kenwo4life=ratings
yeah, I looked at that Thomas jersey you are talking about
750 was just a bit too much
Lupe, release the balloons!
50 bucks. Which is 50 bucks too many.
Bought a Beckham T-shirt, a Sox hockey jersey (Christmas present), a snuggie, a couple of lineup cards (from the four game sweep of the Twins in June of ‘08) , and the sign from Jerry Owens’ locker.
I also talked to Ron Kittle for a couple of minutes. When I told him I bought the Jerry Owens sign, he said “who?”
Exactly.
the jerry owens sign, haha, that's sweet
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
no, no, there's no humor in that
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
gallows humor?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Dec 13, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'd pay $50 for an Andy Gonzalez jersey
But a Betemit jersey is like a knock-off.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
I was there too!
I looked in AJs footlocker and saw his cleats
pretty sure I wasnt supposed to do that but whatevs.
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
I went too
enjoyed my time. got some nice Sox Merch for the 2010 season….. I’m ready to go!
Kenwo4life=ratings
Better keep him around - no guarantee Putz will be able to produce
"ass hole thi is the same line up whit leftys you idiot"
In a minority obviously, but let him go.
It isn’t the money as much as my eyes. I think the Sox have gotten extremely lucky with his performance(s), and I trust him less than I do Pena. DJ has been living on borrowed time (IMHO), say ta-ta now.
Note: Use of the term “my eyes” connotes that Ive failed to actually crunch the numbers or do research on this topic. But if DJ isn’t the perfect example of fungible, I don’t know who is.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
is anybody left that wears the high socks?
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to admit but Im with you
After picking up Putz there are other options and this starting staff is as strong ever. Im not worried about a lot of bullpen innings.
"Oh well back to work"
The White Sox informed the agent for D.J. Carrasco that they will not tender him a contract by Saturday’s 11 p.m., thus making him a free agent.
Carrasco, 32, led all major league relievers with 89 1/3 innings. He finished with a 3.76 ERA in 49 appearances, including one start.
The two sides were several hundred thousand dollars apart after a meeting Wednesday in Indianapolis, and talks Saturday didn’t advance any further. Carrasco earned $440,000 last season, and this was his first winter as an arbitration eligible player.
The Sox were expected to tender contracts to their remaining free agents – Bobby Jenks, John Danks, Carlos Quentin and Tony Pena by Saturday night’s deadline.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/white-sox-non-tender-dj-carrasco.html
I just dont see how KW lets a couple thousand break a deal with our most valuable reliever from last year
its like letting Jayson Nix be a deal breaker in a trade for Pujols
ok bad analogy but still
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
ahh fucknutz
stooopid
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Id keep him and release Liney.
write it off in the Borchard category.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Watch out! BA's available!
The solution to all of our leadoff needs.
Jack Cust a non-tender.......
go get him Kenny……he and A Jones can comine for 500 K’s splitting the DH duties…
i'd take him, if he starts his cycles up again.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
a lot of talent runs through this well.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Horseshit decision.
DJ has nicely plugged holes that always seem to crop up during his tenure. With the $ we are saving by signing Jones, et.al. (cheap, low risk signings) you’d think he’d warrant a couple hundred thou extra.
Not keeping me up at night, since this is not the hill I want to die on, but I don’t agree with KW here.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Second that!
Your pen last year
Jenks
Thornton
Carasco
Pena
Williams
Dotel
I won’t even say his name because of how sick he makes me
DJC was most effective along with Matty
I would have kept him, but perhaps Kenny is trying to cut corners where ever he can to make a move for leadoff/DH platoon or something???
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Maybe DJ asked to be non- tendered
Every team in the NL could use him as a 5 starter. I am sure he will get a hug raise because of this. Maybe DJ wanted a chance to start and Kenny granted his wishes.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 7:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
maybe?
didn’t you see his comments about leading off? he was begging for it. i heard he TPed konerko’s and aj’s houses, too.
I've lost a lot of respect for Kenny over this move then.
do you think kenny is in on the cowley wife banging?
You are whipped.
WHIPPED! I never let my wife look at this site.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
She's still my first wife......
I’ll do it my way.
by mick10 on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
and...
green!
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said,
call me the straight man. Enjoy your green. You OPOS.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Cheers! bwahaha!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 13, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Cowley's wife has not yet claimed to have been banged by Tiger Woods.
My wife has not confirmed nor denied any involvement with either Cowley’s wife or Tiger Woods.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I did hear on the Score once
Carrasco made a comment like “I would like to start eventually, but I am here to do the job they want me to do now.”
I can somewhat buy that. The raise part, not so much.
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
Sure - it's the holidays.
KW giving out wishes like Hanukkah geld. He set a precedent with Thome, so WTF.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by DJs +1 WAR on the cheap can replace Lineys -2teenhundred WAR.
if they would just admit the mistake and cut their losses.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
williams asshole move of the week
maybe kenny can try to talk even deeper man when he pulls another stupid move out of his ass again , like not signing dj… oh wait he will talk out his ass again like we don’t have any money! get screwed jerk………………
by slapshot53 on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Fuck fuck booty suck
Dumb move
drun
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by billyok on Dec 13, 2009 1:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions
well
I voted to keep DJ… but I am not really saddened or pissed by this. Personally i think he was a ticking time bomb anyway. Counting on him to duplicate last years numbers is almost as stupid as thinking Podsednik can duplicate last year.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Carrasco, who made $440,000 last season, was offered a $160,000 raise. That wasn’t what he or his agent had in mind, and the gulf became apparent during a lunch Wednesday at the winter meetings involving Carrasco’s agent and a Sox official.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/dj-carrasco-victim-of-economics-putz-signing.html
that’s a pretty insulting offer.
Hallodye?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
that is insulting. even if dj doesn't replicate last season
we need someone with a proven track record that hudson and whomever else we bring up lacks, all things fungible aside
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
seriously why?
If the Sox need a reliever with 90 innings the team is in trouble anyway. Its just not that big a deal.
"Oh well back to work"
I'd say. Anything < $1MM would be a "see ya later" kiss-off.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
why even bother to offer a contract if thats all you have to spend,
kind of an ass move by Williams..
Green and Gold / Black and White
I was looking over the nontenders....
Jack Cust is obviously the guy that would make the most sense for the sox to sign given their needs…. but one name hopped out at me…. I realize it would be for 2011- but Jose Arredondo is available. I can’t imagine it would take much to snag him. This guy was unstoppable in 2008. In 2009 he struggled and is getting Tommy John surgery. I just think this guy has great stuff. Bring him in on the cheap!!!
Kenwo4life=ratings
now that Carrasco is no longer a Sox...
…can we please now sign Olivo?
I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.
actually, why not john buck?
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I mentioned this a coule days ago.
Seems like a no-brainer to me, what with the dregs we’ve had as backup C in the past 5 years. Money?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
He wouldn't want to play for the Sox
He’d get plenty more playing time elsewhere.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Dec 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Plus he'd always be looking over his shoulder
for Becks.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Toronto got him
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
did you seriously just use a single season platoon split? from a season in which he probably had 50 PAs against lefties?
why even bother posting that?
i had to hold to my tongue, glad that somebody didn't
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I used the eye test to conclude, nay.
"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2009 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not that bothered about DJ
nice lad and all that – hope he gets a good contract. Bit more concerned that Hudson becomes the replacement and gets locked into a mop man role for the rest of his career.
Right-handed ones, at least.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/halamjo01.shtml
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
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by Sox Machine on Dec 13, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
hey, he's carrying aguilas cibaenas
in the dominican league with a bob gibson-esque 2.45 ERA and a 1.07 WHIP with only 3 BB’s and 2 HR’s in 55 innings!
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
And there is no proof that early career relief work retards a starting pitcher
"Oh well back to work"
Buehrle agrees.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Doesn't get much more exciting than this.....
Sox have signed Freddie Bynum and T.J. Bohn.
historic.
maybe i’ll get to see fast freddy when i go to see the knights play the indy indians
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
useful guy
In 26 of his 49 appearances last year, he came in when the margin was 4 or greater. So I’m having trouble coming up with my favorite memory of him for the memorial.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Sad face.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Dec 13, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions
I think they could have made an ample offseason out of signing non-tenders.
K. Johnson instead of Teahen, Ryan Langerhans, Ryan Church or Gabe Gross instead of Kotsay, Ryan Garko or Jonny Gomes instead of Jones, Matt Capps or Seth McClung instead of Putz. Alfredo Amezaga plays every position well, though I’d probably still rather have Vizquel. Pick up Mike Rivera or Shawn Riggans(no, not Shawn Figgans) for good measure, and you have a decent bench.
Can't insult Andruw
He’s a fat guy with 50 HR power and 100/200/500 potential!
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Stupid. stupid. stupid.
They’re really going to miss his versatility.
by Can I Kick It? on Dec 14, 2009 12:18 AM CST reply actions

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