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D.J. Carrasco: Nay


D.J. Carrasco, arguably the White Sox' second most valuable reliever last season, is rumored to be a non-tender candidate.  With a bullpen that already appears to be getting full with Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton, J.J. Putz, Scott Linebrink, Tony Pena and a LOOGY to be named later (currently Raaaaaaaaaandy Williams), the team could decide that the $500K or so raise Carrasco is likely to seek in arbitration could be better spent elsewhere. Daniel Hudson in particular is a candidate for a multi-inning role, or perhaps a Clevelan Santeliz or Jhonny Nunez - all at half the cost.  Then again, it's only $500K and, if the White Sox decide to go in a different direction in Spring Training or before, they may only owe Carrasco 30-45 days of termination pay instead of the entire contract.

What say you?

Edit: Of course, the only vote that counts is KW, and he voted 'Nay'.

Carrasco was kind enough to address the 88% of White Sox fans who wanted him to return: "One of the reasons I'm going to miss Chicago is the passion and knowledge of the White Sox fans," said Carrasco, when asked if he had heard of fans' disappointment over his departure. "It holds a special place in my heart that they wanted me back."

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Yay

Figure out a way to get ride of Linebrink, cut our loss now

by 815Sox on Dec 12, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

we're stuck with that albatross

RE: carrasco the last point (30-45 day termination) makes this a no-brainer

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 12, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

We will most likely move him

Don’t get me wrong, we will get nothing of value

by 815Sox on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

No brainer.

Even if he doesn’t fit in Kenny’s plans, he has trade value, does he not? Also, with Garcia being our 5th starter and Torres/Hudson unproven, he’s a good backup plan when Garcia goes on the DL.

by mick10 on Dec 12, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

trade value?

i suppose we can always use another A ball reliever. but, yes, it’s not like they’d be stuck with him.

by larry on Dec 12, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we could trade him to the bucs,

Try to get Michael Dubee back… trading him for andy phillips was a huge mistake that kenny will rectify for sho.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Dec 12, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Looking forward to another Gordon Beckham...?

Link

Should be quality at 13 right..?

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Dec 12, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Supposedly a weak draft

So perhaps not.

http://twitter.com/FutureSox

by The Big Hurt on Dec 12, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

damnation...

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Dec 12, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Just scanning crap media...

came across the sox with the 13th… 52nd… 84th …. 103rd…. 117th…
numbers will get pushed down as top free agents still have to sign but having 5 of the first 120 picks is never a bad thing…

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Dec 12, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

We can't get rid of carrasco.

He is the definition of Chicago tough.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Ot:

What does cowley have against the trib again? Every time I read his tweets he is attacking the tower.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 1:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

sam zell fucked mrs. cowley.

but, really, at this point, who hasn’t?

by larry on Dec 12, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I certainly have not

and I resent the implication.

by mick10 on Dec 12, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

time for another name change no?

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Dec 12, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

P-U-T-Z PutzPutzPutz

another no brainer.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Dec 12, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You da man.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

you cant say that when it was my idea initially

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yay on DJC

This guy’s value for our team is HUGE. Every time he eats up 4-5 innings in games we fall way behind early or when it is obvious our starter doesn’t have it goes a long way in saving the whole staff. I put a lot of value on his role thruout an entire season. Maybe someone will take a portion of Linebrink’s contract and we can use whatever that amount is as money to keep DJC.

by teepee14 on Dec 12, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

why the hell not?

worst case, trade him for an A baller.

by Hatchetm on Dec 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

OT: Just got back from the clubhouse sale

OK, awesome time! Chilling in the visitors dugout, called in a few relievers using bullpen phones. Took pictures of all the lockers, AND punched the Southpaw. Also saw the guys prepping for the White Sox weekly radio show, they will do it from there.

The deals were not bad either. Everything 20% off and then additional -$5. You can get Field’s game used bat for $30, JD’s for $250. Bought some pictures, baseballs, a few shirts.

Great seeing our clubhouse and how the lockers are set. MB next to AJ, and MB’s locker had rather big AJ’s sticker on the wall, it was hilarious. JD’s and Dotel name tags still there.

If you have some time, go there tomorrow, they will be doing it from 10am till 4pm again. Really worth and you will have a great time, especially in the dugout.

Lupe, release the balloons!

by LT_sox_fan on Dec 12, 2009 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

How much are the used jerseys?

"I can't give you a dollar if I don't have fifty cents." - Kenny Williams

by Servant2LordBeckham on Dec 12, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

i came close to buying the Uribe for 100

or the Big Hurt for 750!!!! Jerry Owens is the bargain deal at 65 bucks.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 13, 2009 2:18 AM CST up reply actions  

50 bucks. Which is 50 bucks too many.

Bought a Beckham T-shirt, a Sox hockey jersey (Christmas present), a snuggie, a couple of lineup cards (from the four game sweep of the Twins in June of ‘08) , and the sign from Jerry Owens’ locker.

I also talked to Ron Kittle for a couple of minutes. When I told him I bought the Jerry Owens sign, he said “who?”

Exactly.

by 67WMAQ on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd pay $50 for an Andy Gonzalez jersey

But a Betemit jersey is like a knock-off.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 13, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I was there too!

I looked in AJs footlocker and saw his cleats

pretty sure I wasnt supposed to do that but whatevs.

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Dec 12, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I went too

enjoyed my time. got some nice Sox Merch for the 2010 season….. I’m ready to go!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 13, 2009 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

In a minority obviously, but let him go.

It isn’t the money as much as my eyes. I think the Sox have gotten extremely lucky with his performance(s), and I trust him less than I do Pena. DJ has been living on borrowed time (IMHO), say ta-ta now.

Note: Use of the term “my eyes” connotes that Ive failed to actually crunch the numbers or do research on this topic. But if DJ isn’t the perfect example of fungible, I don’t know who is.

"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "

by Chiburb on Dec 12, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

I hate to admit but Im with you

After picking up Putz there are other options and this starting staff is as strong ever. Im not worried about a lot of bullpen innings.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Dec 12, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The White Sox informed the agent for D.J. Carrasco that they will not tender him a contract by Saturday’s 11 p.m., thus making him a free agent.

Carrasco, 32, led all major league relievers with 89 1/3 innings. He finished with a 3.76 ERA in 49 appearances, including one start.

The two sides were several hundred thousand dollars apart after a meeting Wednesday in Indianapolis, and talks Saturday didn’t advance any further. Carrasco earned $440,000 last season, and this was his first winter as an arbitration eligible player.

The Sox were expected to tender contracts to their remaining free agents – Bobby Jenks, John Danks, Carlos Quentin and Tony Pena by Saturday night’s deadline.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/white-sox-non-tender-dj-carrasco.html

by larry on Dec 12, 2009 5:19 PM CST reply actions  

I just dont see how KW lets a couple thousand break a deal with our most valuable reliever from last year

its like letting Jayson Nix be a deal breaker in a trade for Pujols

ok bad analogy but still

See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.

-TAEG

by blackoutsox on Dec 12, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ahh fucknutz

stooopid

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Id keep him and release Liney.

write it off in the Borchard category.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Dec 12, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch out! BA's available!

The solution to all of our leadoff needs.

by nowherefast on Dec 12, 2009 6:21 PM CST reply actions  

Jack Cust a non-tender.......

go get him Kenny……he and A Jones can comine for 500 K’s splitting the DH duties…

by stanchar on Dec 12, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

FJC.

2 years ago, maybe.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

no thank you.

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Dec 12, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd take him, if he starts his cycles up again.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

a lot of talent runs through this well.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Horseshit decision.

DJ has nicely plugged holes that always seem to crop up during his tenure. With the $ we are saving by signing Jones, et.al. (cheap, low risk signings) you’d think he’d warrant a couple hundred thou extra.

Not keeping me up at night, since this is not the hill I want to die on, but I don’t agree with KW here.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

yep

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Dec 12, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Second that!

Your pen last year

Jenks
Thornton
Carasco
Pena
Williams
Dotel
I won’t even say his name because of how sick he makes me

DJC was most effective along with Matty

I would have kept him, but perhaps Kenny is trying to cut corners where ever he can to make a move for leadoff/DH platoon or something???

"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.

"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09

by rangerjae on Dec 12, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe DJ asked to be non- tendered

Every team in the NL could use him as a 5 starter. I am sure he will get a hug raise because of this. Maybe DJ wanted a chance to start and Kenny granted his wishes.

"I don’t know how you guys measure worth…but I do know you idiots need a graph to show you that Josh Fields sucks…"

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2009 7:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

maybe?

didn’t you see his comments about leading off? he was begging for it. i heard he TPed konerko’s and aj’s houses, too.

by larry on Dec 12, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You are whipped.

WHIPPED! I never let my wife look at this site.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and...

green!

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

layup

If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA

by BoeJouma on Dec 12, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said,

call me the straight man. Enjoy your green. You OPOS.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowley's wife has not yet claimed to have been banged by Tiger Woods.

My wife has not confirmed nor denied any involvement with either Cowley’s wife or Tiger Woods.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I did hear on the Score once

Carrasco made a comment like “I would like to start eventually, but I am here to do the job they want me to do now.”

I can somewhat buy that. The raise part, not so much.

"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.

"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09

by rangerjae on Dec 12, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure - it's the holidays.

KW giving out wishes like Hanukkah geld. He set a precedent with Thome, so WTF.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

not worried about this move...

i think Hudson can replace DJ’s +1 WAR.

by Andronicus on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

by DJs +1 WAR on the cheap can replace Lineys -2teenhundred WAR.

if they would just admit the mistake and cut their losses.

"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans

by e-gus on Dec 12, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

williams asshole move of the week

maybe kenny can try to talk even deeper man when he pulls another stupid move out of his ass again , like not signing dj… oh wait he will talk out his ass again like we don’t have any money! get screwed jerk………………

by slapshot53 on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Fuck fuck booty suck

Dumb move

drun

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by billyok on Dec 13, 2009 1:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

how can we spare 6 figures

when Kenny only has 75 cents to work with??

Praise Him!!

by Hawk is God on Dec 13, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions  

well

I voted to keep DJ… but I am not really saddened or pissed by this. Personally i think he was a ticking time bomb anyway. Counting on him to duplicate last years numbers is almost as stupid as thinking Podsednik can duplicate last year.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 13, 2009 2:23 AM CST reply actions  

Carrasco, who made $440,000 last season, was offered a $160,000 raise. That wasn’t what he or his agent had in mind, and the gulf became apparent during a lunch Wednesday at the winter meetings involving Carrasco’s agent and a Sox official.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/dj-carrasco-victim-of-economics-putz-signing.html

that’s a pretty insulting offer.

by larry on Dec 13, 2009 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

that is insulting. even if dj doesn't replicate last season

we need someone with a proven track record that hudson and whomever else we bring up lacks, all things fungible aside

i'm alex rios' last fan

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

seriously why?

If the Sox need a reliever with 90 innings the team is in trouble anyway. Its just not that big a deal.

"Oh well back to work"

by Tdogg on Dec 13, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say. Anything < $1MM would be a "see ya later" kiss-off.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

why even bother to offer a contract if thats all you have to spend,

kind of an ass move by Williams..

Green and Gold / Black and White

by OznCoop on Dec 13, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I was looking over the nontenders....

Jack Cust is obviously the guy that would make the most sense for the sox to sign given their needs…. but one name hopped out at me…. I realize it would be for 2011- but Jose Arredondo is available. I can’t imagine it would take much to snag him. This guy was unstoppable in 2008. In 2009 he struggled and is getting Tommy John surgery. I just think this guy has great stuff. Bring him in on the cheap!!!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 13, 2009 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

now that Carrasco is no longer a Sox...

…can we please now sign Olivo?

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Dec 13, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

I mentioned this a coule days ago.

Seems like a no-brainer to me, what with the dregs we’ve had as backup C in the past 5 years. Money?

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He wouldn't want to play for the Sox

He’d get plenty more playing time elsewhere.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 13, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus he'd always be looking over his shoulder

for Becks.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Toronto got him

" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT

by U-God on Dec 13, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

not that bothered about DJ

nice lad and all that – hope he gets a good contract. Bit more concerned that Hudson becomes the replacement and gets locked into a mop man role for the rest of his career.

by hoodlight on Dec 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

mop up men don't have long careers.

if that’s his problem, he wouldn’t be worth much anyway.

by larry on Dec 13, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

hey, he's carrying aguilas cibaenas

in the dominican league with a bob gibson-esque 2.45 ERA and a 1.07 WHIP with only 3 BB’s and 2 HR’s in 55 innings!

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Dec 13, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

historic.

maybe i’ll get to see fast freddy when i go to see the knights play the indy indians

the suck is not just a river in ireland.

by BuehrleMan on Dec 13, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

useful guy

In 26 of his 49 appearances last year, he came in when the margin was 4 or greater. So I’m having trouble coming up with my favorite memory of him for the memorial.

His name is Rios and he dances on the sand

by Nordhagen on Dec 13, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

Sad face.

"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT

by Black Sox Baseball on Dec 13, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions  

I think they could have made an ample offseason out of signing non-tenders.

K. Johnson instead of Teahen, Ryan Langerhans, Ryan Church or Gabe Gross instead of Kotsay, Ryan Garko or Jonny Gomes instead of Jones, Matt Capps or Seth McClung instead of Putz. Alfredo Amezaga plays every position well, though I’d probably still rather have Vizquel. Pick up Mike Rivera or Shawn Riggans(no, not Shawn Figgans) for good measure, and you have a decent bench.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

Can't insult Andruw

He’s a fat guy with 50 HR power and 100/200/500 potential!

The world needs the Jedi now more than ever

by Carbiner on Dec 15, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

As D. Byrne said,

stop making sense.

"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."

by winningugly on Dec 15, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Stupid. stupid. stupid.

They’re really going to miss his versatility.

by Can I Kick It? on Dec 14, 2009 12:18 AM CST reply actions  

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