Continuation of Best Of: TV Shows
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 13, 2009 4:03 PM CST
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PrintI'm a fan of Alan Sepinwall, critic at the NJ Star-Ledger. Over at his bblogblog, he busted out a mammoth "best of" the 00s (aughts, double 0s?) in TV. It's been argued elsewhere that this decade will be remembered more for TV than for film, which I find pretty interesting. The 90s saw the rise of the sitcom (Seinfeld, Frasier, Friends, Raymond, Simpsons) and police procedural (Law&Order, Homicide, NYPD Blue). This decade was the surge in the serialized drama (Wire, Sopranos, Mad Men, Shield, Sons of Anarchy, Friday Night Lights, Lost). Despite the popularity of crappy reality TV, it was still a pretty amazing decade. Here's my top 5 dramas and comedies:
Favorite Dramas
1. The Wire 2. Lost 3. The Sopranos 4. Friday Night Lights 5. 24
Favorite Comedies
1. Arrested Development 2. Chappelle's Show 3. The Office 4. Curb Your Enthusiasm 5. The Daily Show
Post your favorites in the comments, along with any necessary mocking or racial insensitivity towards me.
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in this order: the wire, the sopranos, the office (UK styles), the daily show, mad men
honorable mentions go to 24 and six feet under. i feel like hbo dominated this decade. that said, i’ve never seen an episode of arrested development and i followed one season of lost, and didn’t get into it.
i like that you mentioned chappelle, he deserves major props and the way comedy central treated him was a damn shame. the show stella replaced it, and my irrational hatred towards all affiliated with upright citizens brigade stems from that.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 13, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions
yeah Chapelle dominated TV for a while there.
It was must see tv for me, similar to In Living Color in the 90s.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I think you'd like Arrested Development, but I tell everyone that.
Those 2 seasons of Chappelle’s was amazing, better comedy hasn’t been produced (outside the Simpsons of course).
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 13, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
you haven't seen an episode?
they’re all online fo free
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Problem is you can't watch "an episode."
You have to commit to it, I guess. I watched a couple episodes and wasn’t impressed.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
i know, but like jim says below...i've also never seen an episode of south park
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
you mised a few:
30 Rock, Deadwood, Flight of the Conchords, History Detectives
Heroes started good, then crashed as the writers cocaine budget went up or something. Think Pirates:Global Warming.
Sons of Anarchy is a steaming pile of shit. Its terrible.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I feel like 30 Rock has slipped the past few seasons.
Season 1 and 2 was consistent brilliance, which I guess is hard to expect from a 30 min sitcom. Parks and Recreation has taken its spot for Thursday viewing.
Never watched Deadwood, 6 Feet Under, or Mad Men so I wouldn’t put them in my favorites list. Also, I loved Heroes season 1, but I’ve never seen a TV show crap on itself so badly. Oh well, at least there’s Chuck.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 13, 2009 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
i will second this
but thursday is owned by Always sunny
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Seconded, by the DAYMAN!!
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
it had me in the second or third ep...
something like:
(fuck it, google is easier than paraphrasing)
exactly like:
Annie: But, maybe when Jeff gets here we could talk to him as a group about his tardiness…
Pierce Hawthorne: Oh come on, don’t use that word around Abed.
Jeff: How can I convince Senor Chang of anything if I can’t even convince you guys?!
All: Oh. right…
Troy: Hey…wait…he IS convincing us!
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
oh christmas troy, oh christmas troy
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
hey, you read sepinwall too?
that and AV Club are go to when it comes to TV stuffs.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
the TV Club
is the best place in the world for tv show junkies
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
since the obvious ones are going to get talked about
i just want Sealab 2021, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Harvey Birdman, Space Ghost and Frisky Dingo to get their due. Adult Swim may suck now, but for a while it was the shit. And it still manages not to suck to some degree. See Metalocalypse.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
and the venture bros
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Getting the Dr. Henry Killinger Tie for christmas...
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
No Tim and Eric love?
I know I am probably in the minority but The Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! honestly shapes the way I look at life and especially television.
i also prefer tom goes to the mayor
the complete series was such a worthy purchase
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I've only ever seen a couple bits
they were pretty good though
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
the Metalocalupse X-mas special was the shit.
also, my cousin-in-law was Dr. Roxxo for Halloween.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
And I do COOOOCAAAAAIIIINNNEEEE!!!!
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
damn straight Eric
thanks for the props, cuz
you just got Byfuglien'd!!!
by stuck_lb_13 on Dec 23, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
cu cu cu yeah yeah
seriously…I do cocaine
you just got Byfuglien'd!!!
by stuck_lb_13 on Dec 23, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Kenny fucking Powers bitch!
though i know its hard to put a tv show with only 6 episodes on this haha.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Kenny Powers:
"I’ve been blessed with many things in this life: an arm like a damn rocket, a cock like a Burmese python, and the mind of a fucking scientist,"
this better get another season
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
season two is slated for 2010
stevie: NO bunting!!
reg: i ain’t gonna bunt
stevie: i am ten feet tall, and strong as an ox!!!!
reg: who the fuck is this guy?
stevie: hey, hey, who the f*ck are you?? WHO THE F*CK ARE YOU???
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
fuck yeah
i often end any descriptions of myself to new people with the phrase “mind like a fucking scientist”
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Don't watch much TV,
but “Six Feet Under” has to be near the top of the list. “West Wing” was fairly must-see for a couple of years, too. And “Sports Night” ended in 2000, so it technically barely makes the cut.
Chappelle was the best, though.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
KenWo's tv picks of the 2000s
1. Curb Your Enthusiasm
2. The Sopranos
3. Entourage
4. Hells Kitchen
5. The Office
6. Las Vegas… (why did they end this show dammit i enjoyed it…of course I love vegas)
7. Hogan Knows Best :-)
8. Prison Break
9. Boston Legal
10. Eastbound and Down
Kenwo4life=ratings
Agree with Kenwo on Eastbound
I’d add Summer Heights High, even though there were only ~10 episodes. just got season 1 of deadwood, haven’t seen any of that yet. most of the good ones have already been covered… the first few seasons of nip/tuck were entertaining, but i dont think it makes the list of decade’s best. oh, and always sunny
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Always Sunny needs love too
probably the best comedy on TV now, since 30 Rock isn’t hitting on all cyls this season.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Good to see you are still expanding your mind.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Check your movie thread.
larry’s comment.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I was the other one... it was pretty damn good by the time it got cancelled
but they just hung themselves from the get go by having everything start off so slow. Clancy Brown was amazing on there.
I met Clancy through his sister at NU...
Shorter than I expected, after seeing Highlander, but a very nice guy. Always thought he was under-rated as an actor, IMHO.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Breaking Bad
also a very very good show.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
breaking bad is the best drama on television
but i dont watch lost, so take that for what it is
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Also, I know the show is on the Spike Hurr Durr channel and the original footage is from the mid-1980s
But I dearly love MXC when all I need is a very cheap laugh
Babaganoosh!
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if animation belongs in its own category, the venture brothers, their production is top notch, and the plot/storylines were hilarious (for at least the first two seasons)
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2009 8:30 AM CST reply actions
the season finale last night was amazing
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
didn't follow this season, might make for holiday break watching
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm deleting this thread for lack of Gilmore Girls
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i second your love for gilmore girls
it had THE WORST opening credits/theme song but was a tremendously entertaining show.
And does no one here like the west wing? or buffy?
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
i was thinking about buffy, but i found season 2 (1997-1998?) to be the best
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
i dont/didn't wacth buffy
but i hear i should. I was just surprised no one mentioned it, especially since its fans seem to be of the cultish variety
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
i got into buffy when i moved to west virginia when i was 26 and didn't know anybody
i finally spent $$ on cable tv. i was a law and order junkie, so i ate dinner and watched back to backs from 6-8. when i got sick of that after a couple weeks, i watched buffy on fx which was on at the same time.
i would file buffy under guilty pleasure.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
7th Heaven all day, any day.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone watch Dexter?
Last night’s finale was pretty good
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
i do
illeagally, give a day or two for the internets to have it. I have enjoyed this season thoroughly so far, but i think i am the World’s Only John Lithgow Fanboy
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by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
well enjoy
the twist at the end was pretty good
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Yeah, SurftheChannel is lagging, will watch it tonight.
The first season can’t be topped, but John Lithgow is really fucking creepy for a guy who was the lead actor on 3rd Rock from the Sun.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Um... Hello?
My screenname is taken from Lithgow’s best creepy role ever…
“Imma Goin Home, Monkeyboy!!!”
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Lets see
we shall have to split this into comedy and drama. the comedies first, because its easy
Arrested development
Flight of the Chonchords
Always sunny in Philadelphia
30 Rock
The Office (both)
The Human Giant
Chapelle’s Show
The Venture Brothers
Metalocalypse
Tom Goes to the Mayor
drama is tougher
Breaking bad
mad men
THE WIRE (fapfapfapfap)
dexter
Sopranos
Freaks and Geeks (im cheating)
Veronica Mars
The West Wing
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Hmmm
1. It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
2. everything else
“You’re a Master of Karate and Friendship for everyone”
I'd go with
Dexter
Battlestar Galactica
Lost
Arrested Development
Venture Bros
Metalocalypse
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Sealab 2021 (the bizarro episode was fantastic)
South Park
Mad Men
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job
Big Bang Theory
Eastbound and Down
the Colbert Report
24
Chappelle’s Show
Home Movies
Moral Orel
The Wire
by NerdVernacular on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions
This FanPost is too soon- we still have lots of movies to get through on the other post.
But, since I have not compiled that movie list, I submit:
Rome (Cant believe I am the first to say this one)
Battlestar Galactica
House
Always Sunny
Sons of Anarchy
Breaking Bad
Arrested Development
Venture Brothers
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 PM CST reply actions
With Battlestar...
Did anyone else have this experience…
Seasons 1 and 2 are amazing… maybe this show will be an all-time favorite
Season 3 starts off great… slowly starts to run out of steam… but maybe it will tie up well in the finale
Hmmm… well the twists in that finale seem a bit absurd and certainly feel retcon-ed… but maybe they will explain it next season
Season 4 is sort of struggling and it seems pretty clear at this point that the writers didn’t have any answers planned when they presented a lot of these mysteries… but maybe the series finale will cleverly answer all my questions in a satisfying manner
SPOILER - Season finale presents the following answers: God exists and he did everything… ugh… so now we have to ask ourselves… how far back does this cop-out ending taint the show? Just season 4? Season 3 as well? The whole series? The more time that passes since the end of the series, the more I look at the whole thing as tarnished. Huge disappointment.
mild-disagreement...
when you consider how this could have ended:
a- cylons win!
b- humans win!
c- It was all a dream! (dallas style)
d- deus ex machina (which is sort of what it was)
e- goes on forever without knowing outcome (sopranos style)
I am not dissappointed. It wasn’t my show, and the writers put forth something that made me think, and rock out to “all along the watchtower”. Could it have been better? sure, but I was just along for the ride, and nothing this past decade gave me a better trip. The post 9/11 parallels, papers without corners, phones with cords, and supremely excellent re-imagining was just fantastic, and I am not going to quibble. It was no Seinfield ending, which left me cold, cheated and bitter.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Well, you can do your "e" option a few different ways
There is the Sopranos way… which is to intentionally infuriate your fan base with a non-ending
Or there is the way they did it on the Wire… where it doesn’t have to completely tie up all the story lines, but it still comes to a logical stopping point for the story they wanted to tell.
The problem with the second option on this show is that they kept building up the mythology and spiritual aspects of the show in the last two seasons so they had to give these big what’s-it-all-mean type answers. The problem with that of course is that these are writers on a fiction show. And while it is a well written show, I am not convinced that those writers have answers to those type of heavy questions any more satisfying than the horseshit shoveled to me by my pastor in confirmation class. Thus my disappointment.
And you bring up a great point. The show was at its best when it was using real-life parallels. Like the 9/11 stuff, and the occupation in Iraq (with the script flipped a bit) and even the religious stuff was great, when they were comparing it to topics we see in real-life: faith vs non-faith, cult worship, similarities among warring religions. However the problem again came from the fact they painted themselves into a corner and they had to start giving answers to those religious questions which have no comparative answer in real-life (unless Jesus Christ has made the return trip and nobody decided to tell me about it)
Most covered but this is what I went with
House
Rome
Life (cancelled too soon)
Flight of the Conchords (although the stand up is better)
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
The Office
The Big Bang Theory
Parks and Recreation (which has really hit it’s stride, I was afraid it might get cancelled at first)
30 Rock
More recently, I like Modern Family (has no one else mentioned this?), Bored to Death, The League, and Community this year.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 14, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions
LIFE!!! How could I have forgotten Life!
Awesome show, and agree cancelled far too soon. I would also amend my list to add Band of Brothers (another ‘Damien Lewis as an american’ show)
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 14, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
FotC, CYE, AD, 24, MM, Chappelle, SP (still amazing), Californication.
I cannot believe nobody’s mentioned Californication.
David Duchovny at his finest.
Not picky, but very sticky....
your posts are either blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah
or the the fucking alphabet, what the hell are SP, CYE, FotC ??
:p
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 15, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
south park, curb your enthusiasm, flight of the conchords
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 15, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
thank you ;)
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 15, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed on DD, but his finest?
Evolution.
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 15, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
californications first season is terrible
haven’t watched since.
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by boyonthedock on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
well, when the sox start bringing in jj putz and juan pierre...
you need to be on board because they’re clearly on the way to something big.
Cashing checks and having sex.
honestly
i’ve never been able to get into curb your enthusiasm. probably because i didn’t really like seinfeld that much, but yeah.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I share your disdain for the show, but for a different reason-
Larry David=George Costanza. Now, I liked Seinfeld, until the last episode when they made the entire audience who watched out to be booger-eaters. George was a part of an ensemble. Much like garlic adds flavor to a dish, but would never be the entire dish itself, a Larry David show is just… pure garlic- harsh, overpowering and unpleasant.
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by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 15, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldn't say disdain
i’m just pretty meh towards it.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Do you know any Jews?
If you do, the show is hilarious. If not, go watch some World at War.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I like garlic by itself. And Larry David is a genius.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 15, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
By the way, your cunt's in the sink.
And motherfucking Leon? That show is gold.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 15, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck you, ya car wash cunt!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 16, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone who says that they don't like Curb must not have seen any Funkhouser episodes
That dynamic is great. Ditto with Leon, of course.
“Danny Duberstein is good at two things.”
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 16, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I am not an Anti-Dentite!
And, I love the Chosen peeps- they paid for my school, as an Evans Scholar from an exclusively Yiddish Country Club, I would not have such fine phrase turnings to denigrate such a putz as Larry David.
Total Consciousness… Ya know, so I got that going for me.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 15, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Im with u-god on this one
the show about nothing did nothing for me.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Another reason why you are a moron
how could you not like seinfeld??? and curb your enthusiasm is just as good if not better. Fucking jagbag!!!!
Kenwo4life=ratings
In no particular order
The Wire
The Sopranos
The Shield
Battlestar Galactica
24 (certain seasons)
Lost
Friday Night Lights
NCIS
The Closer
Comedy
-————
Chappelle (Im still pissed at him)
Entourage (certain seasons)
Curb Your Enthus
I have never gotten into the Office, tried several times but it just doesnt hook me. I think its because Im not really a sitcom guy.
There are some shows that had fantastic 1st seasons but flamed in one way another like
Heroes (The worst 2nd season EVER)
Alias (Just started to get stupid)
Rome (Just waned a little at the 1/2 point of season 2. I think they rushed too much history, too fast)
Oh and I do like Sons of Anarchy. Don’t know why you think its so terrible Gus.
"Oh well back to work"
Re: Rome
I think when they realized they couldn’t afford season 3, they wanted to get as much in as they could. Was squeezed, but I still thought it was a great show.
I hope they continue to do period pieces like that or the John Adams mini-series. Plenty to work with in Europe / Middle age / Renaissance that could make for a great show.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
why are you pissed at chappelle??
it was comedy channel that crippled that relationship.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 16, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
bullshit
I saw enough interviews with Chappelle and more importantly the other actors to see that he was flat out afraid of failing. Sometimes people do something so great that they feel like they can’t continue at that level and they come up with excuses as to why it didn’t work out. There were plenty of executives who called Dave on it. “We gave him $50 million, why would we want to fuck that up?”
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Dec 16, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That is an excellent statement.
Agree 100%. He was scared shitless.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I think I could see that
but I also see being terrified of celebrity in our culture.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
STFU.
“Celebrity in our culture”. As opposed to Rhodesian culture? Fer chrissakes, colin, quit with the rich guilt already. Perhaps he could’ve done the show for free, or decided to just do it on the Internet. Then maybe he would’ve had peace.
Oh, and what is it that stand-up comedians do? They…STAND UP in front of strangers and take risk. And demand “LOOK AT ME!!!”.
Our culture. Keehrist, that is rich.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
like osfib, i watched his inside the actor's studio deal
he seemed pretty right on. and dave wasn’t exactly on the A-list trajectory when he signed on to do a show for comedy central.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I watched it, too.
Yeah, those clips from “Half-Baked” were right up there with “Citizen Kane”. WTF was he even doing on TAS? If you don’t want the spoils of success, don’t seek it. Jon Stewart seems to have done a decent job of accepting the accolades/piles of cash, and TDS was no big deal before he arrived.
And to think CC signs people to shows to fail, or even be mediocre, is a ludicrous thought. That’s the game. Every stand-up guy wants his own show, the record, the movie, etc. Quit being enabling of Chappelle’s flame-out. I’m with Tdogg – he was very disappointing.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
he was only paid for what he delivered, right?
i’m not endorsing osfib’s argument that it was CC’s fault, btw. why would they strangle the golden egg?
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
i think folks are giving CC/Viacom too much credit
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
also:
fame is oftentimes destructive or repressive in the States. probably elsewhere too. i could see someone blanching in the face of that. i’m not tied to the “our culture” phrasing.
i meant what i said: getting a show on comedy central is out of the way relative to the movies or network shows. he got fame to a degree he didn’t expect. it’s not like he was unexperienced in show business.
that said, i’m pretty sure the biggest reason is that he didn’t like how much work the show was compared to the quality of the output. since there are at least a few people who like his stand up more than the show, that’s not indefensible. i’m one of them, so i’m a fan of his choices.
as you said, he’s not a bad person. he’ll be back doing other stuff. i prefer his stand-up to his show. dave feels the same way.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I bet the sheer volume of stuff he was expected to churn out
was a bit daunting. A stand-up routine is 5 minutes and can last a long time from a “freshness” standpoint. 22 minutes/week is tough. And, of course, control is a huge issue.
When I saw him with Lipton I figured he had jumped the shark. I can still be disappointed that no new “Show” is being churned out, though at least he quit on top. Jim Brown would agree.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
You should check out the show Iconoclasts
There’s an episode of Chappelle and Maya Angelou interviewing each other, and he goes into a lot of detail. Obviously he’s only going to show his side of the story, and the sense that I got from it is: (a) he realized that the network and a majority of the audience weren’t getting the jokes and he was being seen as a minstrel show, and (b) the pressures to succeed on a commercial level completely overwhelmed the pressures to succeed in being funny and good at what he does.
Maybe (b) is what you’re saying, but I think that (a) was the bigger issue there, and I totally respect that.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 17, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
in addition to iconoclasts, the interview from inside the actors studio
of course it’s one sided, but to simply say that chappelle was scared shitless (to tdogg), it’s a cheap comment.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I know I went to his show post - getting huge..
And I’d have quit too. He couldn’t finish one joke w/o some obnoxious douche yelling out “Yeah!!” “I’m Rick James Bitch!”..
I can’t imagine he was having too much fun, you could see the frustration on his face. He looked pretty miserable already at that point, and he hadn’t even quit the show yet.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 17, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Well, welcome to fame.
Akin to the “Brady” kids, or “Radar O’Reilly”, or any other “icon” who has a great hook that has caught on and gets typecast. Be careful what you wish for.
And in relation to the “majority of his audience not getting” the jokes, I’d have to disagree. Sounds like he equated “crossover” with “selling out” and perhaps never intended his “pale” audience to embrace his stuff as much as they (we) did. I’m sure he never wanted to play to his audience and instead wanted to do things that were amusing to him. As any artist should do.
He could’ve screened his live audience better, closed the set, whatever to deal with the rude audience behavior. He couldn’t cope. He’s not a bad person but it was nonetheless disappointing because he’s a funny guy.
I thought it was OK for everyone to laugh at stereotypes, no matter who was being stereotyped. When I think of Chappelle, I certainly don’t think “Mammy”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
the issue was not about the show getting huge and dealing with fame
CC was having much more influence on creativity, and dave chapelle said fuck that. i’ve got no problem with him leaving the money to preserve what was left of artistic freedom. he should be commended.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Commended?
He freaked and bailed.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
ha, you actually buy CC/Viacom fronted rumors on his crack use and mental breakdown
they took a page out of Sox management’s PR machine when employer/employee relations go sour.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Crack use?
I was talking about him going Tiger and going underground (rumored to have gone to Africa?).
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
he did go to africa, but CC/Viacom were pushing the mental breakdown/crack use rumors.
anyway, i agree with what you wrote to colin above.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Did you ever watch the 'lost episodes'
I don’t remember the exact sketch, but there was one with something like ‘racial fairies’ or something like that. Apparently it’s THE sketch that made him quit.
It’s actually really sad to see… Like a self-parody of what he had done before. The early seasons are all about mocking the idea of stereotypes (which was his point), but it really quickly devolved into exploiting them for cheap laughs.
There’s a major difference between the two, and I think it’s remarkable that he stuck to his guns on that point and just said “fuck it”.
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 21, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Again this is soft.
Im not saying this doesn’t happen. But to say its to the point of frustration that you are miserable? Cmon. A skilled standup/comedian should be able to handle this? The perfect example is Eddie Murphy. I can remember him telling stories of how he handled audiences who tried to intrude on his act by yelling at him on the Buckwheat, Gumby and Mr Robinson characters.
Or handle it like Charlie Murphy did in his show I say last year. Discuss it crack some jokes on it and then move on.
"Oh well back to work"
"I don't come to your job and knock the d*** out of your mouth"
is a famous stand-up audience put-down, right? Use it, or something more clever. Toughen up.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Wow folks
Sorry I hadnt checked back and saw the additional comments (Chappelle does that). Im sorry friends.I have seen all the interviews and specials surronding him. Its not a cheap comment. Its easy to accept some of his views after he had time to clean it up. I say I’m mad, but yes disappointed is better. Im not giving CC “too” much credit. They wouldn’t have paid that kind of cash with the thought they would step in and muck things up. Find some of the other actor interviews. I remember one where Charlie Murphy implied Dave started to create enemies in his on mind. Anybody who watched the saw knows its hogwash to imply folks were pushing him to “sell out” and become a joke. Those critics existed (especially in the black community) FROM THE BEGINNING. Geez one of his first skits was on a blind black racist (sheer genius by the way.)
Onlysox he was scared. To say he didn’t like the quality or things like that kind of denies what is, a damn comedian! Jokes flop. Skits flop. Dave knows that. I do think it is somewhat fair to acknowledge that he probably never dreamed it would get to the level it did but you’ll telling me that is not what he was aspiring to?
"Oh well back to work"
by Tdogg on Dec 17, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i take back the cheap comment, you deserve better than, and dude i was upset to that chappelle left too!
but my hate goes to viacom/cc not to chappelle
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
than that
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
The Wire, Sopranos, Dexter, Always Sunny, 30 Rock, Chappelle Show, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Entourage, Arrested Development
Cashing checks and having sex.
honorable mentions:
Flight of the Conchords, ATHF, The Office, Breaking Bad (prolly worthy of the A-list)
Cashing checks and having sex.
Seriously. I used to be a big fan. I watched a few of the "new" episodes when it came back on, and there was suddenly one moment of the show that ruined it all for me (I still like old episodes though)... and I haven't watched since.
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by homesickalien on Dec 16, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
South Park kind of destroyed it for me.
Hard not to think about the SP episode anytime I see it now, kills the jokes for me.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 16, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
care to share? i hope they didn't offend your delicate sensibilities.
Cashing checks and having sex.
that show is funny. and for now i'm still a big fan.
i could see it getting like south park (a little played out), which i don’t watch anymore, but until then i’ll be watching and laughing.
Cashing checks and having sex.
i went back and rewatched a bunch of early episodes
and they were pretty good. but they don’t hold up nearly as well as south park. scott tenorman, for one, is way beyond anything family guy could ever do.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
YouTube is perfect for Family Guy, just watch 10 minutes of the throwaway gags and you remember the show can still be funny.
A shame they still have to throw together 15 minutes of pointless plot every week.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
i'd say for some of us, the throwaway gags are like a blast from the past.
i was just watching recently and they had bill clinton playing the theme from night court on the sax. to me, that’s a hilarious reference because i watched that show as a kid. same thing with all the other 80s sitcom and cartoon references. those are some of my first TV memories so i think it’s funny to be reminded of them.
if i were 10 years younger or 10 years older, i doubt those jokes would have the same effect on me. case in point, i loved the transformers jokes (optimus prime is a jew?!), but if they made that a might morphin power rangers joke i prolly wouldn’t get it. i think the show is very age specific.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think they pull from a lot of generational situations,
but overall I’d agree with you – it’s a reflection of the perception/experience of the writers.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 17, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Forgot about Hard Knocks
24/7, Iron Chef America, Digging for the Truth also make my list and haven’t seen them mentioned.
Worst show of the decade – John From Cincinnati.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions
fuck iron chef america
the japanese episodes are so much better.
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Is that version from 2000+ ?
I liked both.. Alton Brown is solid.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 17, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, but i really think some of the
hilarious dubs into english gave the show a lot more charm. it just seemedto be paced better and was better. I really haven’t given Iron Chef America enough of a chance though
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Dec 17, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Is anyone else's "z" button broken in this thread? Never works.
"I am not your lady! I am not any kind of a lady!!" - Aldonza
I've never seen the Addams Family show but I saw the musical tonight
Here is my review
It was good
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Watching Wet Hot American Summer reminded me (even though osfib expressed his distaste for this show) that I really dug on Stella for the short time it aired.
Michael Ian Black could take a dump on screen and I’d think it was comedy.
Wait, that’s a bad example since I like poop humor anyway….
ummmmmm….
Michael Ian Black could fuck a guy in the ass on screen and I’d think it was comedy.
Wait, he did that in WHAS….
Point is, I like him, as well as D. Wain and M. Showalter.
It was no Chappelle, but Stella was hysterical in itself.
"I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady!" - Aldonza
Never got it.
Liked him on “Ed”. That was the apex of his talent, IMO.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Stella is absolutely tops for comedy for the decade
“Do you still have that friend who makes fake moustaches?”
“Gary Meadows? Yeah…. But I don’t see how that’s important right now.”
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by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 21, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
did you ever watch the stella shorts?
much more innapropriate, therefore much much funnier. one word: dickfish.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
oooh have not...
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 25, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
if you are of the non-legal downloader type
here is a link.
otherwise, i think most of the 27 are on collegehumor.
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
i enjoyed the boondocks
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
great strip, unfortunately have not gotten around to seeing it
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 17, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Any cartoon that can quote Kahil Gibran effectively deserves my respect.
and I laugh my ass off…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 17, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
boondocks is excellent
the dvds enrich the experience so much more. Hearing all the swears does wonders for the show.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Dec 18, 2009 1:20 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone ever watch strangers with candy?
because it was one of the funniest shows i’ve ever seen. If you like the always sunny gang being terrible assholes all the time, i would reccomend SWC
Lurking since 2006
Excellent. Colbert was a riot on that show.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Fuck yes! I worship Amy Sedaris.
"I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady!" - Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 18, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
i have rented the full season from family video 4 times in the last 6 months.
i should just buy it already. best episode: A raisin in the sun
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Dec 21, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Spectacle: Elvis Costello with...
is very good.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
ummmm
LOST
Entourage
Family Guy
Curb Your Enthusiasm
The Office
The Wire
The Sopranos
So You Think You Can Dance (no homo)
Pardon The InteruPTIon
Cash Cab
Mythbusters
honorable mentions: Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip, The Black Donnellys and Deadliest Catch
If the woman is offering an opinion, you are doing it wrong. - HSA
Would have been nice if they gave Studio 60 a longer run
Didn’t really give it much of a chance.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 21, 2009 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
for all the fx shows
Not one mention of Rescue Me? Denis Leary is awesome
also, honorable mention for The League, which just started, but is sooooooooooo freaking hilarious
(love the Shiva)
+ Californication,
add Penn and Teller’s Bull Sh*t to the list of Showtime awesomeness
lots of love for ATHF and Metalocolypse, but no Robot Chicken? love me some clay-mation
you just got Byfuglien'd!!!
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