Thoughts From So Far
by colintj on Dec 21, 2009 2:02 PM CST
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Print1) The team is right when it says it's done its major acquisitions.
Kenny's bought 5 guys for the 25 man roster in Vizquel, Kotsay, Jones, Teahen and Pierre for about $9M. That's 1.5-2 expected WAR, which they'll probably get. But the Sox aren't leveraging themselves one way or another based on the performance of the supporting cast.
2) The 2009 White Sox opened the season with 3 very specific deficiencies: 3B, CF, and Starter Candidate #5
Consider: Last year's 79-80 win talent was basically without Rios, Beckham and Peavy and (though Rios didn't help much) the former two had collectively below replacement antecedents in Fields, Betemit, Anderson and Wise. Peavy meanwhile replaces the 4 starter amalgam worth probably 1.5-2 WAR in '09. So let's say Rios' value is 1-3 wins over '09 replacement, Beckham 3-4, and Peavy 1-3. That's 87-88 wins total.
3) True Talent In '10
Eyeballing it, CHONE has the Sox winning 87ish games, ZiPS a couple fewer while Bill James and the fans (perhaps expectedly) are the most optimistic. So the Sox right now are baseline in the 86-88 win range.
4) The Sweet Spot
Nate Silver, from Baseball Between The Numbers:
The most sensitive part of the graph--what we'll call the sweet spot--is between about 86 and 93 wins.
Kenny undoubtedly has his own team-specific version of this general calculation, but the suggestion from here is that it probably makes a certain amount of economic sense for Kenny to nab a DH now that he's set up his team right in the sweet spot. Beyond that, the hated Twins have set themselves up to compete having made an excellent addition to a solid squad in JJ Hardy. Again eyeballing CHONE and ZiPS, the Twins are within striking distance, largely canceling out the Sox' advantage in the rotation with Mauer and friends. As it stands, the Twins have a distinct advantage at DH in Jason Kubel, whom ZiPS and CHONE see as worth a very average 2 wins, which Cust or Thome could certainly take back.
[updated to include the following - colin]
5) Asinine Speculation About Prospects
It's always hazardous to guess at Kenny's thoughts, but...let's at least brush up on what kind of prospect package he'd be willing to put together. The only way to make it really count would be to include either or both of Tyler Flowers and Dan Hudson. The team seems to have treated Flowers and Hudson as pieces of the puzzle in turning this core into a long term contender. Hudson appears to be DJ Carrasco's replacement until he proves he's better than Freddy Garcia, which is a nice way of getting Hudson consistent low leverage multiple inning work and making sure Freddy stays focused on keeping his job.
For Flowers, the assumption is apparently that he has the backup backstop spot on lockdown. When I squint, I see where Kenny's going with it: it's a cheap stopgap that turns into a carrot for Flowers and puts him in a position to succeed in a platoon with AJ. His high K rate is going to bother him the most early on, so ABs against lefties will ease him in. But what really matters is him sticking as a defender. CHONE and ZiPS have him as better than 1 WAR per 150 games as long as his defense isn't atrocious. If that's the case, then it's a possibility Kenny, giving Flowers spring training and the first third of the season to show he's ready with the bat, flips AJ before he gains 5 and 10 rights. Of course since there is something to gain from bluffing that The Boogeyman might be that ready, it's not necessarily the case that Kenny's credible here. The conventional wisdom is to make sure your prospects get as many reps as possible.
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Very nice post, Collin.
1. Because it actually was interesting; and
2. Because it wasn’t the prior thread.
Agreed.
Also the picture caption — very nicely played.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 21, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
i figured neither of them would answer you
and we needed a new thread
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
nice summary colin
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 21, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions
Good work ctj.
86-88 is hard to believe. But it’s winter, so whatthehell. Sign me up.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I have heard you say this before
Why is this so hard for you to believe? It was ugly last year and they won 79. And it was a true 79 not some crazy over achievement.
"Oh well back to work"
Pretty much sums up how I feel
The team as constructed can and will probably be a favorite. But why make it hard? If KW really wants to give Ozzie his chance (to prove he can win this way) so be it but he better be quick on the trigger if they struggle a bit. None of this, “when the team gets hot.” Part wants to believe Ozzie used a little currency on that Swisher crap. As much I love him handling a pitching staff, he still is sometimes brain dead (most managers are) for lineups and such.
I am reminded of an old saying, “Just because you can raise a child fine with one parent doesn’t mean you should.”
"Oh well back to work"
I agree with this statement
The ’09 Sox looked pretty darn good – from Memorial Day through August 1st. That was with Fields, Anderson, Wise, Contreras, Richard and Colon.
Speaking of ol’ Bartolo – did he ever reappear? Or is he partying down with Jimmy Hoffa and Judge Crater?
Is Kenny telling the truth
when he says he won’t make any more moves that he feels would be good for the club if it contrasts with his manager’s vision / direction/ wishes? That kind of surprised me to hear a GM say something like that, I thought most of them did what they wanted and the managers followed suit.
No.
Obviously they communicate over what they think will work, but if Kenny see’s a good deal at DH, he’d take it. No reason to paint himself in a corner though, would lose a little leverage if he went around saying, “we sure do need a DH here, otherwise this team blows.”
by Grinder in Training on Dec 21, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Nate Sliver... I've heard that name someplace before...
Thx for the post and thread, colin.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
If the Twins would get another infielder, that would be a killer offense.
Their rotation has average potential. Could be a good but not great team, which could win the division.
If they could scrounge the change for Beltre, we be fuct-like.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 21, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
if there's money for the DH
it’d probably take dumping AJ to get him.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
to get Beltre with some of the money set aside for DH.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Now you done confuzzled everyone.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 21, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
You've annoyed everyone with your fake words and deliberately incorrect grammar.
You think mental retardation is cute? You think it’s fun to impersonate people from Gary?
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 21, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's cute... I know he and I are terribly similar, but I think you've confused me with larry, DB. :)
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 21, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
iseewhatyoudidthere
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
How does the new stadium play into the equation?
Is there any data on teams adjusting to a new stadium and from indoor to outdoor?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
The "grindy,scrappy,shitty" players i.e. Punto n Company,
will no longer be grindy and scrappy, but rather just very shitty.
Green and Gold / Black and White
I believe, Rios's performance will determine 4-6 wins/losses
We know he has great potential and talent, he’s shown it before. (God Forbid he was on PED’s) If all goes well with Rios, the Sox will contend for this blah division.
Green and Gold / Black and White
The other issue with Flowers
is starting his arb clock. If they let him stay in AAA until June working on his game (which IMO he needs to do anyway on both offense and defense) they can delay his arb clock for a year. That’s worth a lot more than 750K for a generic backup. A good deal of AJ’s value lies in his durability and he’s not gonna help the kid learn anything. He might even undermine his development. Let AJ play out the year (as long as we’re contending) and get an extra year of Flowers.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
I like giving him some more time in AAA as well. If need be, call him up to help DH if we need the help.
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
I mostly agree with this
if Flowers warrants getting out of spring training on the 25 man roster, he should be starting in short order. That said, if Kenny thinks the experiment is warranted, he’s probably done the money math. Either way, the town ain’t big enough for the two of them.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
real life Chris Griffin?
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Dec 21, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that always backfires though
like people who think their goatees are slimming or their combovers hide their dying hair. all it does is call attention to the problem!
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any thoughts on how the twins will perform in target field?
more importantly, how ‘we’ might perform? you could always count on giving games away at the dome.
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 21, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions
The "grindy,scrappy,shitty" players i.e. Punto n Company,
will no longer be grindy and scrappy, but rather just very shitty.
Green and Gold / Black and White
is PUNTO expected to be in the starting line-up?
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 21, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
i'm guessing it will play like Cleveland or Detroit
but colder. Those are already run suppressed environments (though Detroit makes it worse with the big yard). HR/9 will go down at least, though I haven’t heard anything about the dimensions. Slap hitters are the most vulnerable to changes that put a premium on home runs.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
There Twins offense isn't centered around slap hitters.
I’d like it to be a righty favored park, though. It seems like the majority favor lefties these days.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 21, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
though it isn't centered around slap hitters,
they do make up 3/9 of their lineup currently
Green and Gold / Black and White
Depends on whether you consider Span a slap hitter... I don't really, but his BABIP is .020 higher at home in his short MLB career
I don’t know who they’re going to start at second, third base.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 21, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
what are the numbers for a DH replacement player?
I ask because Im curious to know where T-Flow’s expected line of .275/.353/.476 fits into the equation.
Hes my worst case scenario.
I refuse to believe they would play Kotsay/Vizquel at DH.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I refused to believe they would spend most of the offseason acquiring bench players
And trying once again to pull another “fuck off” to the seamheads and catching lightning in a bottle with Pierre+Putz+Teahen.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
That "fuck off"
Is still better than what we had going into last year, even the seamheads would agree with that.
Pierre+Putz+Teahan > Owens/Pods/Anderson/Wise+Fields/Betemit+Dotel. I’m sure if he could have got Beltre+Holliday+Whoever the seamheads believe is the best free agent relief pitcher, we would have gone that route.
I wouldn’t say it’s a fuck off, it’s a, “this is all we could afford, at least it’s better than before.”
by Grinder in Training on Dec 21, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
actually i was more comfortable last year as far as the offense was concerned
at least you had Dye and Thome. Now who do you have if you need a 3 run homer???? not much.
Kenwo4life=ratings
since when is that Flowers' expected line?
anyway, calculating replacement level wOBA for DH:
WAR = position adjustment + batting runs above average + fielding runs above average + replacement level adjustment
0 = -17.5 + bRAA + 0 + 20
bRAA = -2.5 runs per 150 games, or basically league average. that’s about a .775 OPS.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Bill James Handbook 2010
Hes always higher on the youngsters than most.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
also, its fairly common that projections for catchers miss high.
Weiters did it. The guy who runs CHONE talked about it in an interview with DRaysBay, I think. If TFlow is up, he’ll be catching. Maybe only 20-30 games, but he will be doing a lot of bullpens and catching in practice, so I’d guess the same rookie catcher penalty applies.
His expected line is Brian McCann?? Seems a bit optimistic.
If that’s the case, I’d hope they’ve already found somewhere to trade AJ.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 21, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When Silver talks about the marginal value of a win
Is he refering the extra money from improved attendence and the playoffs?
Somewhat OT: BP's Dollar Estimates
Has anyone (read: colin) seen any discussion regarding the validity of the financial numbers that Silver & Co. use in that book?
From what I remember, the only actual financials that they had access to came from a limited public offering by the Indians. I know that those are better than nothing, but it seems like there’s a lot of room for error if that’s the only basis for projecting across teams (certain fanbases might be more likely to buy commemorative merch. or whatever).
I don’t think that this would change the point that you highlighted (the ‘sweet spot’), but it does seem like it could possibly have an effect on the actual dollar amounts.
So has anyone challenged/confirmed anything about these numbers? What’s your opinion about their validity?
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 21, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions
I was thinking that the numbers would vary greatly by team as well.
A team like the Cubs sell out every game regardless of the quality of their team so the financial advantage of adding wins would be less than that of a team like the Sox whose attendence sucks when they suck
I'm fine with this team
I’m fine with a rotating DH. KW can evaluate the team at the trade deadline and if we need more production from DH in order to compete in the playoffs then he can trade for one. The Rangers almost made the playoffs and Jones started for them 1/2 year the year.
I think Flowers, Jones, Vizquel, and Kotsay could all see some DH time.
in a division where each of the last two seasons there has been a one game playoff to determine the champion
it’s a questionable strategy to wait.
by larry on Dec 21, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Garcia was obtained at the end of June. That's close to the halfway mark of the season.
that’s way too many games to “experiment” with a below replacement level DH. Furthermore, the “wait and fix later” strategy is going to mean the Sox are going to have to trade prospects from an already depleted system for a bat.
they can probably manage replacement level
it’s not that hard to fashion a DH platoon that yields a league average platoon.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I agree with Larry
Especially since the Sox have so little in the Farm System to offer in a midseason trade. What kind of DH do you expect in exchange for Brent Morel and Jordan Danks?
If you trade for a potential Type A free agent
then you just have to trade something better than what they would get in the draft.
cabrera was not a "potential type a free agent".
his contract specified that his club would not offer arbitration if he was ranked as a type A
This scenario requires that no other team is looking for a bat and bids up the price
Soriano was traded for so little because he is expensive for a reliever so no one else was willing to bid on him.
It seems unlikely that no one but the Sox is going to be looking for another bat at midseason.
Just like how the great platoon of Owens/Wise/BA and Fields/Betemit worked out, right?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
So they're not terrible, just merely bad.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 21, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
No, the rotating DH is inexcusable
If Nick Johnson gets $5M 1-year deal, Thome should be available ultra-cheap and I would expect an +.800 OPS from him. You could even platoon him an Jones and that’s at least reasonable.
What’s not reasonable is:
1) Vizquel ever DHing. Ever. .609 OPS over the last 3 years
2) Kotsay being the lefty-hitting platoon DH. He has a .687 OPS over the last 3 years
3) Waiting till the early season when acquiring a decent DH will cost non-crap prospects than just a couple of million dollars.
Being penny-wise after pouring money into Peavy and Rios for a shot at the playoffs is nuts. A couple of million dollars might buy them .150 extra points of OPS at the DH position. Not doing that is so colossally odd that I think KW will sign someone.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 22, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
seeing that and the way Kenny has gone mad scientist meticulously plotting his bench
would make not signing a DH completely confusing
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
yeah
unless they think Q cant get back up to speed as a regular fielder.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I have not been impressed with the majority of the moves this year.
Pierre isn’t very good. Teahen isn’t very good. Jones hasn’t been very good the last few years. Vizquel is 3000 years old. Putz is coming off an injury. The Rotating DH includes Kotsay… Tyler Flowers is the back up catcher….
The rotation, the middle infield, the back end of the bullpen are going to have to carry the team. PLUS you are counting on Alex Rios going back to his all star form AND Carlos Quentin avoiding injury…. (If i had to choose one to me more likely i’ll put my money on Rios).
All this adds up to a disappointing season.
Kenwo4life=ratings
I just don't understand
why you don’t make a couple of big time moves. If you make the moves you will win the division which will increase attendance and get you your money back. Gotta spend money to make money. Econ 101. You could dominate this division like the Braves did for god sake…. yet they choose to get “B” teamers instead of adding a star. I don’t like it.
Kenwo4life=ratings
It is not as simple as just "make a couple of Big Time moves"
Who are you going to give up in exchange? Where are you going to cut the payroll? I love statements like this…. It is the equivalent of “Just fix the economy!”
No offense to you personally Kenwo, but this is a hot button for me.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 21, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Kenwo, you gotta spend money to make money.
Even Detroit and Seattle were able to outspend the Sox last season. Just wish we were able to add a big bat like Holliday or to an even lesser extent Cust. Just make this team better KW and don’t do a 1/2 ass job.
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
And Detroit and Seattle won...
as many rings as the Sox. And do Detroit and Seattle has owners who are richer than God? Um, yeah…
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
True that.
Maybe KW should sign Jenny Craig to help Jones and Jenks in the offseason.
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
haha, i agree to large extent but don't make jerry to be a poor miser
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
But he did make (and presumably still does make) his money in real estate
And I think I read somewhere that it isn’t the best time to be in real estate
jerry's a smart jew
i’m sure he invested wisely
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
of course he did. his bubbe introduced him to ethel and morty's nephew, something madoff.
such a nice boy.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Dec 22, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
He certainly acts like one.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
if this was Econ 101, then Juan Uribe would not have any butter
and Bobby Jenks would have no guns.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
by Nordhagen on Dec 21, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea what this means,
but I like it! Sounds very Churchillian.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
what I meant, sort of (from wiki)
In macroeconomics, the guns versus butter model is a simple example of the production possibility frontier. It models the relationship between a nation’s investment in defense and civilian goods…. The “guns or butter” model is generally used as a simplification of national spending as a part of GDP.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
I understand the guns v. butter.
Didn’t get the Uribe/Jenks reference.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
to finish destroying my lame joke:
Uribe has chosen to fully invest in guns (because of that Dominican shooting incident).
Jenks has chosen to invest in butter (because of his portrayal as being overweight, I made the mental leap that he enjoys the taste of butter).
yep, no humor left now.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
BWAHAHAHAHA!
(I forgot about the Uribe gun incident. I forgive and forget. Not like you.)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
i love Uribe
I own a game-used bat of his. In my book, he can shoot anyone he wants.
His name is Rios and he dances on the sand
Note to self:
Continue to shy away from Trooper’s offers of free software/DVD’s.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
your OPOSness may serve you well in this case.
but I assure you the kid from best buy was full of shit.
well the whole uribe thing pisses me off too
as you all know i like uribe…. always have. they let him walk… he signed for next to nothing. meanwhile the sox decided josh fields and wilson betemit could do his job… and they failed miserably. If they would have just kept Uribe, Beckham could have came up and played 2nd for Getz and now he wouldn’t be learning his 3rd position since joining the team.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Disagree totally.
Becks was on fire. Getz was always breakable.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
The dead walk the Earth...still.
NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4762249
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
TY.
We go every 6 weeks. It’s getting worse out there.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
They'd obviously be better than Chip Caray, though.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
Is this the most embarrassing year for Chicago sports?
Even if you disagree, I highly suggest any Chicago dwellers to throw bricks at the UC.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Yes. Good call.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
so really OT
but did anyone else find avatar kind of disappointing
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Didn't bother seeing it
but Up in the Air was excellent.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
I havent gone yet
but my old roommate worked on it so I have to check it out.
He said see it in IMAX.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I just read the Wikipedia article on white guilt with 3-D glasses.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not dissappointed thought it was awesome
the biggest thing is to remember it’s a james cameron movie therefore, awesome visuals, really cool, mediocre to decent story.
The movie was basically dances with wolves meets the matrix meets something with blue people. Highly recommend it if you can see it on 3D. First movie where the 3D actually enhanced part of the movies rather than just being tacked on for the hell of it
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
it is absolutely essential to see coraline in 3d
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Dec 22, 2009 4:57 AM CST up reply actions
i forgot about coraline
it was pretty freaking awesome, mea culpa on that
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
maybe il see it in 2011... takes me a while to see movies!
just watched the wrestler tonight. I enjoyed the movie… being a wrestling fan and helping one of my buddies, who is a wrestler, with his indy shows and personal appearances, this movie looks very familiar. earlier this month I saw Demolition, King Kong Bundy, Bobby Heenan, Billy Gunn and the Road Dogg all put on a show for 1500 strange people in milwaukee. They can’t get enough of it.
Kenwo4life=ratings
loved it!
i don’t really understand people who bash movies like this and the transformers movies for plot, dialogue, and acting related things. the point of these movies, and where they spent all their time and money, is to blow you away w/ special effects. and avatar did just that. i’m gonna go see it at least one more time, probably in 3D this time
Transformers was enjoyable on a basic level.
Are there giant robots? Yes.
Do they fight? Yes.
Fair enough.
yo forgot
is there a megan fox?
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
i saw it in 3D
i guess i just expected more
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I don't bash transformers on plot or acting
Just on being a crime against humanity.
White Sox fan; Jeppson's Malort man
by KarkoviceIsHawt on Dec 22, 2009 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Special Effects are supposed to service the rest of the movie, not replace it
Take Jurassic Park for example. The FX made the dinosaurs seem real thus heightening the tension.
There was no tension in Transformers because there was nothing at stake since the characters were disposable stereotypes. Who cares if Shia LeBeouf gets crushed by a robot?
exactly how i feel
it feels like movies are getting away from actually having a plot and that we’re just supposed to be excited because it looks pretty.
and if everything starts coming out in 3D i’m gonna be pissed. i don’t care about 3D if i have to pay an extra $3 to see the movie.
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
agreed to both
i’ve heard cameron quoted that he’s going to write a novel to support avatar and explain everything that wasn’t explained in the film. that might help w/alot of things. JP and Transformers were both based on previously established storylines and characters.
Well Jurassic park was based on a novel
Transformers was based on a hastely put together cartoon based on a toy. So I think we are using characters and storyline a little loosely
hastely put together cartoon?
maybe the individual plot for the two movies was, but I dont’ know if you missed the whole mutli-year run that Transformers had in the 80’s and 90’s, tv show, movies, toys, apparel.
the point i was making is that whereas avatar was made out of thin air, both JP and Transformers had more solid foundations. they weren’t brand-new things.
All I remember is the 1980s cartoon
Which had little resembling storylines or characters. It had a basic premise (magic robots land on earth, fight one another) that it riffed on ad nauseum. Which is fine when your show is produced by Hasbro with the intention of selling toys to 8 year old boys.
dude
theyve been doing that for a long time.
putting stuff in there just because they can.
Pirates of the Caribbean comes to mind for ok looking pure suck on the big screen.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I understand the excitement over the advancements made by Cameron.
But shouldn’t he have hired a screenwriter to use the same manic obsessiveness and create a real story? The first time you heard the plot online you knew exactly how it was going to play out beat for beat. I haven’t seen it, yet I pretty much know what’s going to happen.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
yah
I avoided seeing trailers/reading about it because Cameron’s stories are fairly formulaic/cliche, but unfortunately I saw the southpark that spoofed it which gave us the whole plot…despite that though, I still found the plot gripping. While everything was a movie cliche element wise, how each event was accomplished and the components that led to these cliches was still very, very gripping for me. Looking back that last sentence is a bit screwy so let me try it again…The movie was very formulaic. Each major event was wholly predictable, but how we got to that event and everything concerning that event was very, very interesting to me to the point where it didn’t bother me that I knew the end result
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
apparently the yankees are about to get vazquez back
for very little
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
i love that they seem to be chained together
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
boone logan, when pressed for comment....
NEW YORK CITY! get a rope.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
by BuehrleMan on Dec 22, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so much for the whole
“White Sox have the best pitching” thing. Sign a fucking DH.
Kenwo4life=ratings
that is going to be one hell of a rotation out there
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I want a DH
But this has very little to do with the White Sox and the central division.
"Oh well back to work"
and has more to do with common sense
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
link?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/yankees-after-starting-pitcher.html
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Really though, will that be an issue this time?
How many playoff games will he see in that rotation? Will they be in a tight pennant race or run away with it? I just don’t see many high pressure situations for Javy this time around, unless they have a lot of injuries in the rotation. He won’t be carrying much of the load for this team, seems like a good fit for him.
The New York media might be an issue, but he’s about 20th on the list of guys they care about on that team so I doubt it.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 22, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
i think the bigger issue will be
how much farther he’s going to be from his off season home
We just need to execute better - Lovie Del Negro
My personal feelings about him aside (OH GOD HE SUCKS SO BAD AAAAAAAAHHHH),
this seems like … not really an ideal situation for Hobby. The harder league again, a lefty-favoring bandbox, lotsa big games, hostile media, the fact that he stunk there before and (IIRC) was not, shall we say, a fan favorite.
Dunno, I could see this working out very badly, and it seems like an unncecessary risk/distraction for a team as strong as the Yankees already are.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
-
“i’m thinking there’s something on my hand – oh, it’s a world series ring. you were saying something?”
_
“Hi! I made it to the Super Bowl, and therefore am incapable of making a mistake.”
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"where's your ring?
"
oh, right. made it to the super bowl. that’s like saying i almost fucked suzy big tits in 11th grade. you didn’t. so shut the fuck up, bitch.
by larry on Dec 22, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So, in that vein,
when does KW get the benefit of the doubt? Is there a shelf-life on baseball intelligence that is proportional to the amount of time since you last won a Series? Thus,
BC = KW + 4.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I'm going to stop commenting on this story soon for e-gus' sake
But there is not much risk…he can pitch #3 or #4, they gave up nothing that can really hurt them (maybe Vizcaino pans out, but he’s at least 3 years away), and Javy will likely be a Type A at the end of the 2010 season.
The overall team is much stronger than the last Yankee team he was on, so I don’t think the pressure will be the same on him.
and the move allows one of Joba/Hughes to be in the 8th inning role
Which is huge. Joba was great there in 07 and 08, Hughes was last year.
Please keep it in your pants.
You are positively salivating/spurting on your keyboard.
Not that I speak for everyone, but we’re not happy for you. ;)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
No, I think you do, except maybe larry.
This could be the year my head explodes (no pun intended) with a WSox-Yanks ALCS (WSox in 7).
As I said on the fanshot for this
I like it for NY. It will come down to, can he stay at an elite level in the AL and back in the limelight of NY.
They obv didn’t give all that much though. My sources also have them inlcuding Arodys Vizcaino in the deal. Vizcaino, 19, manged a 2.13 ERA in 10 starts (42 1/3 innings) at the Single-A level this year
www.isuckyankeedick.com
I think youre on the wrong blog.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
well yeah, they are better because of it.
the scales get tipped farther along in favor of the yankees with 3x and in some cases 10x the resources of other teams.
woo-hoo.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
bah humbug
im just sick of the constant yankee love from CCs Crew.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
I haven't said anything about them since the playoffs ended
Someone mentioned the trade, I commented on it.
I guess I just dont get the concept of having two teams.
especially two AL teams.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
Lots of ppl don't, but as I've said countless times, they play 6-8 times a year
it’s easy.
My Dad was a Yankee fan and I’ve lived in NJ/NYC for 10 years.
its not you QQ its me,
and the unfair system(fight the power!),
and all that piss in my fucking cheerios.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
love me some BCB ideas
apparently some of them want the Cubs to go get Orlando Cabrera to fill their SS needs!
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/12/21/1210817/wait-on-cf-cubs-need-a-ss-more
Is there really much of a difference between Ankiel, Byrd, or Podsednik?
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
at least that guy later admits he was joking
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
The best part about this..
Is how much these guys at BCB seem to care about the personalities of their players, and then they want OCab. A guy who doesn’t talk to the media and doesn’t get along that well with teammates. This is the same soft ass fanbase that is happy to have Carlos Silva over Milton Bradley.
I’d love to see the shit storm over there the first time he gets in an argument with one his teammates. Of course, I guess it’d just be a regular storm as they don’t allow big kid words over there.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 22, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
personally
i’ve been enjoying their sentimental trip down memory lane through historic photos. talk some baseball, christ!
more delusions from one mr. dave cameron
http://twitter.com/d_a_cameron/status/6931076481
Really? Brandon Morrow nets you Brandon League and Zach Stewart (the number 1 pitching prospect in TOR and number 1 overall before the Halladay trade)?
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
I guess with the moves they've pulled off recently
They just assume they can get away with anything now.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 22, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
They've made one savvy move.
Acquiring Cliff Lee is fantastic, but Figgins was signed in the open market, and the Cubs were begging any team to take Bradley of their hands. The M’s are lucky Bavasi left them with an albatross team cancer of their own.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Incorrect.
Figgins they got early, and because of it ,relatively cheap, just look at what some of these pitchers have got this year. Seems pretty savvy to me. Cliff Lee was a great move, and when you combine it with everything else they’ve been doing it looks even better. Add to that, the Brandon Morrow trade today, which seems like another decent deal for them, and they continue to make pretty intelligent moves.
Betancourt was a good deal. Bradley was a good deal, there were other suitors. Plenty of teams have crap contracts, the Mariners were the one team who made the move though.
I think Bill Hall was a good move, got him for nothing. Maybe he never gets it back, maybe he does, no risk situation. Added Jack Wilson and Ian Snell on the cheap.
I’m sure I’m missing some here, but over one year, this many moves that aren’t bad? Seems like he’s done pretty well for himself.
Maybe they lucked into some of these moves but that doesn’t make them not good.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 22, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Rotations in the AL
Geez will anyone have 35 Hrs? DH or not there is some sick pitching in the American League.
"Oh well back to work"
I don't know
Who else has switched leagues? Halladay leaving the AL, vazquez coming seems like less pitching talent in the AL. I guess you could count Cliff Lee. But he was only in the NL for a minute. Peavy. yeah i guess he counts even though that was last year. Who am I missing?
One thing is for sure the AL central pitching (outside of us) is weaker than it’s been in some time. No Sabathia, Santana, Lee. Liriano sucks now. Bonderman sucks now. Other lesser pitchers: e. jackson. Twins don’t have a single starter that makes you think “we might get shutout today”. You’ve basically got 2 dominant pitchers: Greinke and Verlander. Then a bunch of OK pitchers. One thing is that the central dominant pitchers have gone from predominantly lefty to righty. Even more reson to get a lefty DH.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
This.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Thats fair
I supposed i should have focused more on the top heavy rotations. I almost feel sorry for Tampa Bay (almost). It probably evens out. 2008 was really the year to say it as the league avg era differed by only .06
Oh please oh please just give me a healthy year of pitching boys.
"Oh well back to work"
CC isn't
in the central and you may have missed the “outside of us” qualification.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
Too focused on Yankee business.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
yeah thank
god we’re not in that division. Our season would be over.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
This team looks good on paper but we definitely need a DH...
I would love to see Kenny add Vlad or Delgado but if he has to fall back on Thome at a lower price, that is fine as well.
BTW, I missed you guys.
by SSH2010 on Dec 22, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Something is always better than nothing.
So would a full-time DH.
It is the new model.
Maybe this one comes with laser eyes? I like things with laser eyes.
by coffeepac on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"Lasers"
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is me...
You guys made fun of me for wanting Andruw Jones a couple years back. Well, now we got him. Hopefully he is better than what he was with the Dodgers.
Slappy Pierre? I am not impressed. I guess he is an improvement over slappy Podsednik but not by much. If we already have a good defensive CF’er, why add a slappy corner outfielder when we could have added a .800+ OPS corner outfielder? Swisher would look damn good in LF right about now over Betemit, Marquez, and Nunez. Ughhh…
How have the Tiger affairs affected your job?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 22, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
No, his home course in Florida does not use our software...
However, Tiger is a dumbass to be cheating on his wife with a myriad of skanks when his wife is hotter than all of them. You are probably much hotter than all of the skanks that Tiger banged.
Despite the source, I'll just go ahead and interpret that as a compliment to me, rather than an insult to the skanks Tiger banged.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 22, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
And we can't really complain about Swisher's contract when...
Alex Rios still has around $60 million left on his contract. Swisher earned his last year, Rios didn’t.
Im talking about your reference to Jones
He got 17 million the year you wanted him.
500,000 this year.
"Oh well back to work"
swisher would not look good anywhere, ever.
if you’ve been following along, fuck nick swisher.
the suck is not just a river in ireland.
True, I guess Swisher is a douche-bag...
But not being a douche-bag doesn’t make Juan Pierre any better of a player.
is this the real SSH?
or some elaborate ruse?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
wtf
wtf!!
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
what are the terms of your reentry to SSS?
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Think you can keep your spurs from jingling and jangling?
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No spurs. They get in the way of the ankle bracelet.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Did you get a tattoo: "9/25/08 - NEVER FORGET"?
cuz that would be sweet.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 22, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
I would only want it on my johnson...
but my wife would not allow it.
Liar.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
This turn of events pleases me greatly.
I am serious.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
It's a blog. About sports.
Anything that makes things interesting is good.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
going to a random poster's house each day and killing them would sure spice things up.
could cut the tension on this blog with a knife.
Yeah, but then we'd start fighting over body parts, and bickering over things like method of murder, who's on clean-up duty, who has dibs on fucking the corpse first....and so forth.
I can’t see this improving clubhouse relations.
I am not your lady... I am not any kind of a lady! ~ Aldonza
by homesickalien on Dec 22, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
My rule is this:
Always say you agree with the person with the musket.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Would that be:
a- Killing those who post at random (random posters)
or
b- Killing posters at random?
and what if you live in a trailer home? Apt? co-op? Condo? Tipi?…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
IIRC it was not a question of being "interesting".
It was inspring. Hostility from the rest of the community. I like “interesting”. I don’t like redundant negativity.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I prefer your Nurenberg posts.
An WTF was that where the “Arbeit Macht Man Frei” sign was stolen from Auschwitz last week? Effin’ Nazi kids.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
I believe SSH stole the sign.
With help from Vazquez. And picktoclick. Always picktoclick.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
You are getting dangerously close to A Recap.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
A little Kristallnacht for your troubles?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
Even if you're fake, I'm happy. A Festivus miracle!
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 22, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
The lifetime ban has ended.
On the third day, he is risen.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
"Lifetime ban".
Only Pete Rose gets a “lifetime ban”. Because he is Satan.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Javi "no heart" V-Squez
traded to the yankees to blown game 7 in the next world series. asked after the game if he cared about baseball,the yankees,or winning in general? “as long as i can go back to san juan im cool as least i got to FNS”-Javi
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions
with all those clubhouse cancers, i don't know how anyone could pick these fucks to win anything next year.
if they sign OC, i’m thinking 70 wins.
You get enough cancer,
it’s like adding a negative to a negative. The Yankess will go 161-1 next year. Vazquez will lose game 162 because he doesn’t care enough.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
is hobby from california?
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Because that is the latest in oncology...
Got Liver and Bone Cancer? we are going to give you Pancreatic and Brain Cancer too!!!
So by that logic, if they got Milton Bradley they would do even better next year?
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this logic.
Adding Carlos Silva allows them to beat the ’27 Yankees in Stratomatic.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Flagged.
game 7 in the next ALCS. Fixed.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
what hat would you be wearing is the ?
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
WSox all the way.
My NY friends say I talk about Chicago all the time and vice versa, but the fact is WSox >>> NYY in my book.
Unless NYY pull off a big trade,
or NYY wins the WS. Then Chicago WS can go eff themselves. Until Spring.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Anyone notice BA signed a contract with the Royals?
Sucks to be a Royals fan.
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
nope awesome
he will bring the honey’s to the stadium…the honeys that aren’t chosen by BA will be there for all the KC males
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
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