White Sox WAR per 150 games by position in 2009
by colintj on Dec 21, 2009 9:30 PM CST
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| Pos | bRAA | fRAA | pos adj | WAR | 2010 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| C | -5.5 | -5 | 12.5 | 2.2 | 1.75 |
| 1B | 16.5 | 2 | -12.5 | 2.6 | 1.75 |
| 2B | -10 | -0.5 | 2.5 | 1.2 | 3.35 |
| 3B | -4.5 | -8.5 | 2.5 | 0.95 | 1.25 |
| SS | -2 | -0.5 | 7.5 | 2.5 | 2.65 |
| LF | 8.5 | -14.5 | -7.5 | 0.65 | 1 |
| CF | -29.5 | 5.5 | 2.5 | -0.15 | 2.35 |
| RF | 8.5 | -13.5 | -7.5 | 0.75 | 2.85 |
| DH | 13 | 0 | -17.5 | 1.55 | 0 |
| sum | -5 | -35 | 12 | 17 |
The 2009 data is prorated to 150 games from fangraphs. As you can see in the total, the Sox were about 4 wins below average holding pitching constant. Fangraphs WAR totals actually saw the 09ers as an 82-83 win team and credits the pitching staff with ~23 WAR. That difference evaporates if your evaluation of, say, Jose Contreras' '09 production is dimmer than theirs.
The 2010 CHONE projections are the WAR150 of the projected starter with amended defensive projections, taking these two excellent projection sets into consideration. Pierre is in left, with DH presumably Kotsay and Jones. As larry has noted, Quentin's health is important in this design, so it may just be that Quentin will be eased into the DH role if he can't play as well in the field as Kotsay or Jones. This is presumably the sort of flexibility they're talking about when it comes to signing a DH who can pass in the field.
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front paging this post isn't going to help
:p
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by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions
needed a new thread
and i didn’t see any decent links offhand.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I'm just having a good time looking at what prospect the M's fans thought they were going to get in the Morrow-League trade.
DC thought they could get Zach Stewart. The rest of them thought they could get Wallace. Others thought they would get Arencibia and package him with Mark Lowe and “+” for Adrian Gonzalez.
I’m glad we shun our idiots.
Figgens was mentioned.
They are worried that the flux of left field prospects like Halman and Chavez will cause a log jam.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 22, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
i love stats and all
but baseball is so random and cursed and filled with bs. i mean ask the cubs if they found out a formula to win
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
www.reverbnation.com/czheckproductions
((bRAA+fRAA)(∑WAR+posadj.))0
/
102(WP-x)
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 22, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
The beauty of Chismbop is that the answer is always 5.
At least that’s the way I understand it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Did you also use a mimeograph machine, vopos?
from another vopos who did…. still have blue ink smell in my brain.
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
My grade school still had mimeograph machines in the 80's.
And now we can text the CTA to find out when the next bus arrives. What an age we live in.
I got a mimeograph machine from a retired teacher during Jr High...
I made up some of my own tests and quizes for english and math class and distributed/replaced the usual weekly ones with my own- really pissed off one of the teachers…. hehehehe
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Well, the off season certainly got more interesting...
Can’t wait for the thread that has SSH, Kenwo, Mick, and WTGTD going at it.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
How sad is this
that the 4 scariest poster group no longer includes larry.
CHINA defangs all.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Perhaps "potentially most vitriolic" would be more accurate.
But all are “scary” in their own way, especially when “going at it”.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
haha, i might miss that
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
every blog needs a resident idiot or four
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
seriously,
you say some very stupid things for someone with a Ph.D.
by mick10 on Dec 22, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I imagine the scene from Dark Knight
where the Joker has Tryouts…..
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions
Royals Ink BA
by ExileDC on Dec 22, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
KC, KC, here I come...
They got some pretty little women there, and BA gonna get him some….
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is incredibly excellent.
this really makes the day come alive. Rec’d.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Getting the band back together..
Fields, BA and Getz together once more, should be a great time.
I don’t know how someone could be a fan of the Royals. I mean, to go into every season with out any hope, what’s the point? Even in our worst years, there’s always a point where I think.. well if this and this went right , I can trick myself into thinking just maybe we could have a chance.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 22, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
It's just not the same without Gload.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 22, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
The Thong song guy?
"Let’s plunge ourselves into the roar of time, the whirl of accident; may pain and pleasure, success and failure, shift as they will- it’s only action that can make a man" Faust, Goethe
I'd hate to be Greinke.
Talk about a waste of talent.
Well, actually I'd love to be Greinke.
But you know what I mean.
He doesn't seem to care.
He seems more focused on World of Warcraft and Chipotle.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 22, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'd guess a brighter light could have ill effects.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Dec 22, 2009 5:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe they can pry McCarthy away from Texas?
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
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wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 22, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Gload = Sammy Hagar
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 22, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions
Merkin:
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com
12/22/2009 3:22 PM ET
CHICAGO — Mark Buehrle didn’t operate at 100 percent during the 2009 season.
It was hard to discern any signs of trouble based on his 13-10 record and 3.84 ERA, which included his ninth consecutive season with double-digit wins, at least 30 starts and 200 innings pitched, not to mention the 18th perfect game hurled in Major League Baseball history. But the crafty left-handed ace of the White Sox staff is taking steps for a stronger mound presence in 2010.
The 30-year-old southpaw has been focusing on shoulder strengthening, three times per week on Monday, Wednesday and Friday in Missouri for the past two months. It was a program set up by White Sox athletic trainer Herm Schneider at a facility which works with Cardinals players such as Chris Carpenter and Albert Pujols.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Dec 22, 2009 5:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Link missing cuz it was on AtBat.
Shouldn’t be hard to find though.
“I’ve been bustin’ it…”
Says Johnny conditioning guy.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Dec 22, 2009 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"hard to discern" by looking at those stats.
not exactly hard to discern when looking at his dramatic collapse in k/9 in the second half, particularly after the perfect game (to use a potentially arbitrary date). when you can’t strike people out at a rate higher than 3 per 9 IP, there’s usually a problem.
and, of course, joe cowley identified this problem way back in spring training 2003.
working with cardinal players, interesting
wonder if this has anything to do with going under the needle last off season
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
by blackoutsox on Dec 27, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm in this boat too.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
have you guys read
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/glossary/#winvalues
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Everytime I try and read these pages I start to get that uncomfortable feeling I always got in math class.
Then I get discouraged and go play Castle Wars on Facebook or something equally valueless.
One of these days I’ll get around to really trying to get it. In the meantime I’ll bookmark it and try not to let it whoosh me.
You guys keep right on talking about it though and maybe I’ll learn it by immersion. Like the episode of the Simpsons where Bart learned how to speak French by being in France.
Reporter: I was wondering if at any point in my lifetime the Cubs weren't going to be run by a guy who didn't immediately remind me of failure, confusion, or imminent death
"putain de merde! le sample size is petite!"
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
by thatshortkid on Dec 23, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
position player WAR, in sum:
contributed wins is based on determining how well you hit above league average, field above league average and then converting wins above average into wins above replacement, since its known that the average player is 20 runs (about 2 wins) above replacement (who have 0 WAR, of course).
hitting is determined in fangraphs by wOBA, which just totals up the run value of the player’s hits, walks, stolen bases and outs (a single is worth a proportion fewer runs than a double which is worth less than a home run, a walk is worth slightly less than a single and a stolen base is the least valuable, outs are obviously the least valuable) and turns it into a per plate appearance rate stat. .330 is about average, but it fluctuates somewhat from year to year.
fielding is determined by figuring out how many runs above average at the position the player is and then a separate position adjustment that takes runs above average at that position to runs above average amongst all fielders. this is done by rating the average fielder at a position to all others. for example, shortstops have been found to be 7.5 runs per 150 better than the average fielder.
further details—-
going catcher through DH, the pos adj is +12.5, -12.5, +2.5, +2.5, +7.5, -7.5, +2.5, -7.5, -17.5.
so if Alexei Ramirez plays 150 games (650 PA) in ’2010 and hits .280/.340/.440 (easy slash line to wOBA conversion: (1.75*OBP+SLG)/3) and is an average fielding SS according to UZR:
.345 wOBA, 0 UZR
first find runs above average (recall league average wOBA is .330)
(.345-.330)/1.15*650 ~ 8.5
the 1.15 term is the adjustment to scale wOBA to make .330 average. Tango did this because he wanted average wOBA and average OBP to be about the same.
batting runs above average: 8.5
fielding runs above average: 0
position adjustment: +7.5
replacement level adjustment: +20
total runs above replacement: 36 = 3.6 wins above replacement
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Alexei was better defensively in the second half.
I wonder what type of year he puts up this year. I could definitely see him with a really decent FRAA. He has an outside chance at a 4 WAR season.
"Oh well back to work"
I would agree with that.
I think Omar + a year at SS under his belt + another year of America + another year in the same position = much improved Che, at least in the field. All you who are hating on Che can go to hell. He’s among the least of our worries.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
he's my pick for having a breakout season
wrapped and sealed with masking tape moistened with sweat experience existence of ignorance
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 23, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I agree!
(Blackout, breakout, it’s all the same to an OPOS.)
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
yep
also OT but I got an alexei signed picture and baseball – horray
See, this is what happens when the Sox bunt.
Discord is sown. Brother fights brother. Misunderstandings abound.
-TAEG
by blackoutsox on Dec 27, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
How about a smell test?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 23, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Winks At Retards=WAR?
bird law in this country is not ruled by reason
by soxshenanigans on Dec 22, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
they always smile.
"I like my DH like I like my women. Fat , slow and full of power."
by soxshenanigans
by e-gus on Dec 22, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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