Open Thread: Winter Meetings Day 3
by The Cheat on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 PM CST
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Juan Uribe is on the Twins radar.
An option at 3B. Kenny should sign Jazz Hands just to have him around.
this non-tender date
has everyone sitting on their hands.
Is it National Give Yourself a Stranger Day?
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
generic comment
containing the word hands.
by Trooper on Dec 9, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I have a FS rant boiling within me regarding hot dogs and Seattle.
Maybe I’ll start a Right Rail series.
Not picky, but very sticky....
The boil.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
by Chiburb on Dec 9, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh cool. Thanks for the advice.
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by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yahoo! Sports was the first to report, via Twitter, that Wolf and agent Arn Tellem had accepted Milwaukee’s offer. Other reports followed, including one in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, saying Wolf is guaranteed about $29 million. Other reports on the value of the contract’s first three years ranged from $27 million to $30 million.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Mets ready to offer two years to Bengie Molina
In a related story, I’m ready to offer this knife to my face
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grandmafucker!
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Brandon Allen ARZ's 4th best prospect
per BA
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
haha...
TOP PROSPECTS
OF THE DECADE
Year Player, Position 2009
2001 Alex Cintron, ss Nationals
2002 Luis Terrero, of Kansas City
Joe Cowley
Ok, here’s the deal with Matsui. He has been cleared by doctor to play outfield and DH. Out of loyalty, he will wait for Yanks to say yes or no. Then come Jan. he will listen to Sox. Slow process, but could happen. Sox are atop his list after Yanks said Multiple sources. Sox could go out to Cali next week and meet with him to check the knee in person.
The Kong-Godzilla tandem
Cannot wait
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also from his twitter.
The good news for the Sox is Matsui told the Japanese media that its not about money or years, its about opportunity to play some OF.
matsui in LF, rios CF, and quentin RF
that would be bad. very bad.
andruw jones too
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
It's clear to me that the sox will be putting 4 outfielders on the field in 2010
Matsui, Coco, Pierre, or Pods LF/Jones LCF/ Rios RCF/ Quentin RF
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not particularly
I was suggesting Teahan would play 3b and 2b at the same time. He’d be slightly below average at both, but it would free up a fourth player for the outfield.
Omar will handle the left side
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think if Kenny
can get Putz and one of the left-handed sticks, preferably Matsui, he’s done his job just fine considering his restraints and such.
If it is Matsui....
we probably will and should see deAza (is that right?) on the 25 man squad.
might as well have Thome back
I want him back
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 9, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
which part?
I assume this is a cash argument because you don’t believe Thome out produces Matsui next year do you?
"Oh well back to work"
I guess you could say Bill James does
It just irritates the hell out of me that we don’t get squat from Thome during that NL stretch.
"Oh well back to work"
and yet, he made the NL playoffs this year.
These events have me frightened and on the verge of evacuating my bowels.
Thome's like the end of Kill Bill 2
but with a put out instead of five steps.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
I want my Thome Back, Thome Back, Thome back...
Thome… defensive shift…
There's Your Zagnut!!!
by DrEmilioLizardo on Dec 10, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
we dont have the moneys
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
monkeys
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
"They're milking rats! Milking rats!"
“Rat?! You promised me dog or better!”
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
and Lillibridge
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 1:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fangraphs (yes, it exists) take on Tea-bag's deal:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mark-teahens-curious-deal
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
And since someone mentioned it this week, Ryan Church is not a bad ballplayer.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/low-hanging-fruit-ryan-church
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
yeah, was looking at his #'s this morning.
+ defender, decent average. sucks against lefties though. wouldn’t be a bad guy as a fall back plan.
A Chruch/Andrew Jones
platoon in LF makes some sense I guess with a signing of Matsui to DH………makes a lot more sense if we could make that Quentin/Crawford deal happen.
I imagine Kenny would be more willing to let H Matsui play a little LF if he had Rios and Crawford as his other 2 OF’s…..
It seems as though I'm in the minority....
but I would not trade quentin for Carl Crawford. Nope.
I'm with ya
All things being equal Crawford is more valuable than Q. But all things aren’t equal. Crawford is making 10 million and is a free agent next year who is likely to require at least 16 mill a year to sign an extension. Q is under team control for at least 3 years and will make a relative pittance this year. I’ll stick with Q.
Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of.
I ususally love you guys.
But now I have to turn my back on you. Take this and go.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
Your friends here just have your best interest in mind. If Crawford comes to Chicago, you'll be a dead man at the hands of wife and daughter, who you claim love life in Florida... :)
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I can take care of myself. ;0
Crawford for a year, with Mitchell in the wings, sounds darned good to me. I (blasphemy to follow – avert your eyes!) am not enamored of Q any longer.
There. I said it.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
That's fine.
But let’s get a suitable replacement, then.
Well, Q's the only player who has a chance at killing Greinke.
Before Greinke wins another Cy Young.
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Not only that.
Carl Crawford’s value is overestimated here. I like him. He’s good. Steals bags and plays good LEFT field defense. So-so power. Very pedestrian OBP. aND He’s also got a couple years on Q, no? I’ll take my chances still with Q, even given his tough luck with injuries. Also, if we made that swap….what are we becoming……the ‘85 Cardinals….in our park? I know I’m exaggerating a wee bit….but, you get my point.
outfielders are outfielders
where they play their good/bad defense is determined by management, not some inherent skill set
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
there may have been
possibly related to comfort and injury. changing positions is apparently a risk indicator. but in terms of capacity beyond that risk, he’s not lacking.
toward the general point, tango has studied this at length.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
You don't know that.
I swear I’m not making this up….but I’m almost sure in saying there were people in the know that don’t believe he is particularly good in center.. Why the hell would you waste a gut like him in left-field ALL these years otherwise?
it's not a waste
if the opportunities to leverage it are outweighed by the risk. with upton in center it makes no sense at all. runs are runs are runs, regardless of position after adjustment.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Maybe because Baldelli was so good?
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
I thought of that, and I don't buy it.
Crawford don’t look as good in center. I know our eyes deceive us and fielding metrics back it up, but he has actually always looked awkward to me, even in left. He’s not all that smooth, and I think he’d have a hell of a time adjusting to center. Anyway, I know it’s very arguable, but give me Quentin for this team right now.
2007 was the last terrible year they had in CF
and they’ve only begun actually competing since ‘08. if you’re going to be making moves that aren’t going to net much more than a win if that, you better be competing.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
offhand, i don't know
Crawford is probably 1 WAR expected better than Quentin on average, but he makes twice the salary and will be a free agent next year. and Q certainly has some decent upside.
fwiw, the Fans project Crawford as a 5 win player. that’s a sweet bargain for 10M.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Use your fucking gut, boy!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hey....let's not completely leave out the gut part....
I believe there’s still a place to use them.
"faith, here's an equivocator that could
swear in both the scales against either scale, who committed treason enough for God’s sake, yet could not equivocate to heaven"
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
not if you believe in UZR
Top Outfield UZR
Franklin Gutierrez 29
Nyjer Morgan 28
Ryan Sweeney 24
Carl Crawford 18
two CF, two LF if my memory serves.
i wish Chrome was a more fulfilling experience
but the Beta hasn’t crashed yet. possibly more than i could say about Firefox.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Now that they've got extensions,
no reason to use anything else… oh wait, you’re on Mac, aren’t you
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Sorry...a little green here...
Why is Chrome better than IE or Mozilla Firefox?
It looks the 'spinning beachball' Mac users know and hate.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
That's more rainbow-tastic.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's a butt-ugly icon, which fits in well with the general assery of Google's user interfaces
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It kind of looks like a poke ball.
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
by UribeAuction on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
being a microsoft web dev
im trained to hate all things not microsoft.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
i assume it's still behind the windows version
which is most to the point
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
/virtual apple-user fist-pump
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
And Safari sucks why?
Works well for me, on the Mac and iPhone.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
there's no alternative on the phone
the new safari is way better than the old one which necessitated firefox for me in the first place, but i haven’t gone back because it’s just kind of blah and ugly.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Can't say I disagree with that.
Firefox has better functionality with a lot of web-based publishing tools (like clickability, which sucks anyways).
Chicago White Sox Examiner — I wish I could cuss right now.
Firefox is better
Also, Chrome on a mac is basically a PC version with a program that makes it run on OS X.. which equals slower performance
i thought that was just a proof of concept thing
for developer builds.
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
also: lack of extensions
i love my FF fangraphs search function
2009 is just 2007 in 2008's clothing. - Trooper
Fangraphs search extension? That exists?
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by billyok on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rrrrrollllllllingggggggggggg....
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
The Brewers apparently gave LaTroy Hawkins
7.5 mil over two. Are you fucking kidding me? I know they’re desperate, but that’s ridiculous.
the Wolf contract is pretty crazy....
that Suppan contract was insane.
yeah, that's almost like giving Linebrink 20 mil over 4
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 9, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
but not quite as bad, of course
that would be ridiculously ridiculous
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 9, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't quite apply to the Yankees does it?
“You always want to get younger, especially when you have an older team,” Cashman said. “But I want to be better. So you just have to get younger with the right people.”
Isn’t it just as well for them if they stay relatively “old” and stick to 28-35 year old superstars as opposed to their own generally overrated prospects? Always get younger might work for everyone else, but not the Yanks.
The world needs the Jedi now more than ever
Sigh.
OXON HILL, Md. — It’s not even Christmas yet, but one company wants its fans thinking about Easter.
Just Born, the company that makes the chick- and bunny-shaped marshmallow confections called Peeps, is opening the first store devoted to them on Thursday. The shop, in a mall near Washington, D.C., sells everything from Peeps plush toys to one-of-a-kind artwork and Peeps china by the 130-year-old tableware maker Lenox Corp.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
Hell yes! Sounds like my very own heaven on earth!!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
...I didn't have a reason to visit DC before, but now.... NOW.......!!
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Won't hit much with his new crewcut.
"his ballerness could not be stoped which rose his era to 5.42 "
check out cowley's tweets....
KW said that, but also said a bunch of positive stuff about him.
kw said positive stuff about him because he's black
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he's saying positive stuff about him, because kdub is not jp ricciardi
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Fisted.
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 9, 2009 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
opos, you're just mad that i said it before you ;)
i'm alex rios' last fan
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
it's italian
wu could spell it
" Do you guys know people like you are the reason I wouldn’t come on for exstended periods of time. You rui the baseball blogging expieriance."
by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Yes! HELL yes!
Hello Billy! Hope all is well.
I just wanted to let you know that she’s here!!!! Who? VICI the Robot! Available for the first time on DVD, Small Wonder: The Complete First Season, will finally get its small screen debut on February 16, 2010 from Shout! Factory.
Along with bonus features including commentary from the cast and crew as well as unique fan art, the DVD set will also include all 24 memorable and original episodes from the iconic show’s premiere season.
Please let me know if you would like a review copy. I’ll be happy to put it in the post for you. Your editorial consideration is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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I wonder what previous purchase triggered that spam.
This was my spam for today:
Feel free to contact me at 312.674.XXXX if you have any questions about the upcoming season or would like to look into any of our available ticket plans for 2010.
All the Best,
WHITE SOX AGREE TO TERMS WITH INFIELDER MARK TEAHEN ON A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT
CHICAGO – The Chicago White Sox and infielder Mark Teahen have agreed to terms with on a three-year, $14-million contract, avoiding arbitration.
Under the terms, Teahen will receive $3.75 million in 2010, $4.75 million in 2011 and $5.5 million in 2012. He was eligible for free agency following the 2011 season.
blah blah blah… we’re spending money …blah blah. Career high stats… blah blah… more stats.
He was acquired by the White Sox from Kansas City on November 6 in exchange for infielders Chris Getz and Josh Fields.
I. Must buy. Season tickets… I. Must kill. The Queen.
Oh, mine wasn't spam, that's actual business being conducted right there
I did get the Tyler Johnson e-mail as well, though — and every time he e-mails me I get excited for a second and think it’s Tyler Flowers. But it’s not. It’s Tyler fucking Johnson.
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I got a Tyler Johnson e-mail last year about buying season tix, and I responded something like, "can't afford it right now, i'll let you know if I win the lottery."
and he sent me 4 free vouchers in the mail, with a note that said something like, “I hope this helps you get out to a game.”
So, there’s some more positive pub for Mr Johnson, Nice Guy.
FYI
we would like to notify you about a small number of tickets that have just become available for our game against the Green Bay Packers this Sunday, December 13, at Noon. Tickets can be purchased right now at www.ticketmaster.com. You can also call Ticketmaster at 800-745-3000. Please act quickly as these tickets are sure to go fast.
A quick check shows nice seats even 100 level mid-field on the Bears side.
Turned down free tickets last week, would do the same this week.
Unless it’s in a luxury suite and then I’m just going for the free food and booze and hoping a Blackhawks game is on one of the TV’s. There is no way in hell I’m sitting through this weather for that team.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 10, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
i hope this team doesnt get crisp, pierre or matsui
getting crisp or pierre would be pointless when you can get a much cheaper, similar production scott podsednik, although i would not like to give him a deal either. it would be sick if we got BJ Upton but thats not gonna happen. we would be utterly fucked if we have beckham or anyone else on the team now to be the leadoff hitter. I would like to see an attempt for Vlad for DH and a little RF and i dont know the possibilities of that, we probably have a shot.
all those guys are bad (cept matsui)
but I would say crisp is marginally better than pods and much better than pierre. he’s been injured so he would come cheaper, as well.
matsui is good but expensive.
maybe church as a low cost OF?
Who did?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 9, 2009 6:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
dis?
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 9, 2009 6:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get the aversion to Crisp
a healthy Crisp is not a bad player, especially if you can get him for only $3-4 million. He’s just about a league-average bat. His value really comes on the defensive end — ZiPS has his career UZR/150 in LF at 23.5. Even if you don’t buy him being that good and instead peg him at +10, that’s still something approaching an average player.
I’m not seeing much better values as far as FA outfielders go. Byrd is going to get (at least) two years at a higher AAV than Crisp. We probably can’t afford Cameron and even if we could, he wants to play CF. The Sox need value in whatever form they can get it. If that’s mostly by making the Sox a superb pitching and defense team with an average (probably stretching it) offense, so be it.
agree, Crisp is a slight upgrade from Pods and younger.
I’d go $2.5m for Pods and maybe $4m for Crisp, providing he is 100% after his surgery last year.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
Church wouldn't be awful, especially considering he's not likely to get more than a one year, $2-3 million deal
I think I like Crisp better though. Offensively Church is probably a little better, especially in the offensive department. But Crisp is just such a good defender. He’s also likely to be quite a bit better on the basepaths than Church is.
This, again, is all dependent on two things:
- the Sox are okay with Crisp’s medical reports.
- Crisp comes cheaply — two years max and wouldn’t go much higher than a base salary of $4 million.
Christ -- it's been a long day
that should read: “Offensively Church is probably a little better, especially in the offensive OBP department.”
crisp is coming off significant surgery
i would not assume he magically returns to his career peak.
T pena
If we were to sign putz does it not become a possibilitiy that t pena becomes a non-tender? Isn’t he arbitration eligible….I would think he’d get a couple mil or so….
by stanchar on Dec 9, 2009 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I would rather have Pena than Putz and to non-tender him would be crazy.
piss up a rope fuckstick ...................by hoodlight
probably around the same as pena
first year arbitration eligible relievers who aren’t closers are generally between 800K and 1.2M.
Kenny says STFU, MEDIA! ummm...in more words....
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INDIANAPOLIS — Chicago White Sox general manager Kenny Williams was in a sullen mood as he expressed the idea that media reports in his team’s interest in J.J. Putz and Hideki Matsui has affected his team’s chances of getting deals done.
“We thought we had something going on,” Williams said. "But as I told you guys many times, when something becomes public to a large degree, the entire game changes, and more times than not, you’re not going to get a deal.
“Something we thought we might have been a little closer on be came public and now it’s not so close
Williams most likely was upset about a story written on Tuesday in this blog about Putz. The rehabbing right-handed pitcher has worked out for at least seven or eight teams so far, and that number might go to 12 or 14 before the process ends when Putz shuts down his workouts on Friday.
Not picky, but very sticky....
I wish the party I'm attending in Indy was this week instead of next
I’d have a reason to go beyond the free booze and pasta: I could crash the GM meetings!
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We are douchebags!
Bastardo!
"don tink about new jork. jus come in ready to wing de gay."
by winningugly on Dec 9, 2009 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shakin' in ya boots, ain'tcha, Mitch.!
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by homesickalien on Dec 10, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
Has anyone gone to this?
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/fan_forum/holiday_cell.jsp
This holiday season, the Chicago White Sox again will offer fans unique access to the home and visitors clubhouses at U.S. Cellular Field during the annual “Holiday Clubhouse Sale” the weekend of December 11-13.
This could be cool and only $5? Hmmm
Lupe, release the balloons!
Sounds like a timeshare sham
or possibly spam
If you are asked to talk to Tyler Johnson, RUN!
Every good port begins with a slut.
- homesickalien
by Scotty Ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
you can probably find a cheap wilson betemit jersey
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What??! The Bettermitt jersey is extremely rare. Nobody has one of those.
There’s a 50% chance that Bettermitt actually wore that jersey.
I've gone a couple of times
They’ve got player t-shirts and jerseys, some autographed stuff, Christmas ornaments, hats, etc, etc. It’s kind of fun just because you get to walk around in an area that the public doesn’t normally see.
Last year I got one of those playoff hooded sweatshirts for (I think) $25. Looks like this, only it says “2008 MLB Playoffs” under the “White Sox” part.
Also last year they were allowing people to go up into the visitors dugout during the daylight hours, but I missed that because it was dark by the time I got there. I don’t know if they’re going to do that again this year.
The power play is still f**king clown shoes
I can't get to the website
I know for my school they had players worn gear at these types of things, is this just new jerseys / shirts, or is it worn stuff?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 10, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
cool
Yeah I got the tix. Why not, I figure I check it out, it is only $5. And if I get to see the dugout and the clubhouse that will be super awesome.
Lupe, release the balloons!
I'd rather go there than my white elephant party this weekend.
Fuck, I’m in the wrong city.
Not picky, but very sticky....
by homesickalien on Dec 10, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
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