Paul Konerko Wants to Get Off to a Fast Start

Kenny on BP's projections

As White Sox pitchers and catchers report for spring training Sunday, Ken Williams might want to make Baseball Prospectus 2009 mandatory reading.

The Sox general manager, who maintains a football mentality from his days at Stanford, prefers his team to play with a chip on its shoulder, the bigger the better.

Well, in this case, we’re talking Mt. Everest: Last place in the American League Central, third-worst record (74-88) in the American League.

Williams’ reaction to the book’s annual projection from computer-generated statistical analyses?

“Who cares?”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-13-prospectus-cubs-white-soxfeb13,0,1199465.story

and look for mr. silver’s appearance at the link

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 12, 2009 10:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think Nate Silver = SSH2005.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Except...

That if you read the article, Silver credits Williams and thinks the Sox will beat that projection. It’s really not personal with PECOTA.

Besides, there aren’t a lot of reasons to think this team will be above-average this year. I’m optimistic about the young talent that they’ve assembled, but I don’t think it’ll translate until 2010.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Feb 13, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think JRE = al gore.

i’m totally cereal. just like wtgtd was.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

woooooooosh pew pew pew wooooosh

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry tsk i dont spend my entire life trying to figure out what the heck you guys are talking about half the time.

especially when people like u-god think they are wooshing someone when they are getting wooshed

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i feel like i should bust out your old line about sarcasm and not understanding it

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so what you're saying is that you deny the existence of manbearpig?

i wasn’t “wooshing” you. al gore makes those sounds.

i get it, you don’t watch south park.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You forget we won the division last year.

No one in the division improved greatly in the offseason. We didn’t hit or have a good OBP last year with old vets, I think the young guys will actually energize this team. I know it’s not personal, nate silver is a sox fan. How can they predict what we will do when we don’t even know who will be playing where yet?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's kind of the point

look at the breakdown. Obviously things change if playing times and players change. And certainly some players will perform over and under baselines. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter. The important thing is the projected strength of the division. Not good. That means its pretty much open to any of the “hot” teams.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly... take PECOTA with a grain of salt and a shot of Tequila

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

being a maroon does not make one a sox fan

though i have seen some converted.

link

According to journalist William Hageman, "Silver caught the baseball bug when he was 6, growing up in East Lansing, Mich. It was 1984, the year the Detroit Tigers won the World Series. The Tigers became his team and baseball his sport.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

silver was just on the score and Murph asked him if he grew up a sox fan.

the answer was yes. so take your article and shove it.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's just pandering now.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol, Murph even confirmed it after he said what PECOTA ranked the sox...

“Now you grew up a Sox fan right?” “yes Murph I did” “and you are still projecting the sox to finish in last correct” “yes Murph I am”… I thought it was common knowledge Nate was a sox fan?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well then, get thee to wikipedia and edit that shit

my only reality is the wikiality

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

tsk are you the new toonderstrook?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

how so? i’m a lawyer in the bay area now?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by 815Sox on Feb 18, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this is so last wednesday. it's 73-89 now.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In other news, mankind wants sun to come out tomorrow.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 12, 2009 10:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Last place, but only 10 games behind division winner?

I used to be a stat geek, when it was easy to follow or didn’t require all of this math.

by slydernelson on Feb 12, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I could crunch all the numbers, but Colin offered to be my personal stat boy...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But is Paul Konerko in 'The Best Shape of His Life(tm)'?

by CWSKeith on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I can't find it anymore, but someone somewhere once posted a "generic Spring Training story" in that same vein

It included places to slot in the names of players from whatever team you wished: “ has been working out with a new personal trainer and is looking good. The team expects to rebound this year. In the bullpen, has really opened some eyes.”, etc.

by hitlesswonder on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.rotoauthority.com/2009/02/spring-training.html

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 13, 2009 1:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

shouldn't he do that every year? I heard his interview. He was roiding, and now he is not roiding so he sucks.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i would bet anyone that his name

is on that secret list of 103 failed steroid tests.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wasn't he one of the guys leading the mutiny back in 03

to try and get the whole team not to take the test so everyone would fail and stricter testing would kick in?

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that was frank.

Is it normal for a 27 year old to be bald?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Konerko was involved.

I’d be happy to take your bet. Although I’d like to know a bit more of what was considered a positive test. I haven’t actually looked into it, but was it just illegal steroids or were they testing for things like amphetamines. And I know a few guys who are in their early 20’s already as bald as PK. It happens.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 13, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No that is true, but look at the fluxation of his numbers...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good it be that Paulie

has a head of marbles and is a mental midget (alla Grossman)?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

scroll down.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good = Could

and I agreed with you comment below, which I read after my post.

I guess I need another b-12 shot.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

seriously though, I don’t trust any baseball player.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ever since there has been more stringent testing his power numbers are way down.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Way down?

He’s getting older and he was hurt last year. Nothing unusual.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

unusual now that older players can't prop up their careers by using PEDs anymore.

remember, we’re often dealing with people on this board whose only point of reference is the “steroid era” where sometimes funny things happened in the usual aging process.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One would suspect many are still on HGH?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hgh ain't nearly as good as horse steroids.

if it’s good for anything.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Clemens, Bonds, Tejada and Pettite

used it…so there must be some positive effect.

Still can’t be detected with a urine analysis.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lots of people take and do lots of things in the belief that it is or may be helpful to them.

the jury is certainly still out on hgh. but it certainly is not as useful as your average “steroid”.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're probably right

I read before that supposedly helps more for the recovery process of muscles and muscle related injuries. —-not as much for strength.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That could help of course

Speeding up recovery time leads to quicker muscle growth, however its nothing like some of the other things these guys were/are using

by 815Sox on Feb 18, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

right, esp with the way they can mask it now.

baseball is going to have to be played shirts vs skins. I bet that would clean the game up! As long as Uribe sits during skins games.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sure, and I understand that.

so you would bet your house that he didn’t dip into the PED jar?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes.

but i have lots of money.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

U want to share some of that fortune with me?

I got some CC debt I need to pay down.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

...that my friends will be the next shoe to fall in this

economy. But, I don’t want to get into it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its def not insurmountable

unless I get laid off. I only owe 4 grand or so from when I was injured and couldnt work.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

should've gone with aflac

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"unless i get laid off"

no danger of that.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not really... My company flourishes in these hard times because we swallow up all the business the small guys had.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HA! LOL

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no. my taxes are bailing out enough people already.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

GM, Ford, Chrysler and 100's of financial

institutions thank you larry.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i understand you poor fucks got checks in the mail from treasury earlier this year.

and they called obama a socialist. nothing redistributive about that, president bush.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It is called global wealth distribution

borrow from China and the Arabs and give to the large corporations that “request” it and larry pays the interest.

What’s wrong with that?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so you would bet your life he didn't roid?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course not.

Im not proclaiming anything 100%. My point is you implied his numbers were out of whack. Their not.

I believe strongly he didn’t.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

see 04-06

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

stringent testing started in 07

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know maybe his

.263 BABIP had something to do with it? And again he’s older.

A OPS of .841 is not exactly falling off a cliff.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i am not saying 100% he took them.

but he is a very suspicious case…

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

In 08 he was hurt.

2nd half healthy again. What a surprise .910 OPS for those games. You’re jaded by folks who “didn’t” follow the normal curve as Larry mentioned.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and what happens to guys who roided and stopped.

they start getting injured right? That is one of the side effects correct?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its also a side effect of aging

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my roommate from freshmen year

was bald by senior year, and he wasn’t on anything

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i've got a buddy turning 21 at the end of the month and he's already using rogaine

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that stuff causes you to grow three nuts

and gives you titties.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i will pass him that warning

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That actor Jack Black uses it

and look what it did to him.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well you hang out with losers.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

good one

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For what it's worth . . .

a direct relative of a prominent member of the White Sox org was at a New Years party a couple years ago and backed what wtgtd states . . . it was very late and there was obviously an inordinate amount of alcohol involved, but it was said nontheless. PK was not the only one mentioned either.

by jc2313 on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if you go back a few years before that Maggs was mentioned.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lets just act like Canseco never played for the white sox and we are a squeeky clean organization.

I don’t even give a flying saucer if these guys want to potentially hurt their bodies to send moon shots out of the park. As long as my team is using the most up to date steroids…

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think anyone on here is claiming we have a team full of altar boys

but what is the point in just speculating who may have done anything? until a media leak or anything of the sort reveals the other hundred-something names on that list its a pointless exercise. and even that list won’t be complete because there could be users who reitred before then or started playing after then.

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you cant use my own jokes on me!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

8====o

i think i might change my fantasy teams name to the alter boys.

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

8==jjjj=D

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

looks painful

I wouldnt be able to work either

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's for her pleasure

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not fish hooks!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

depends on the girl

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

those are fingers fool

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

those are fingers fool!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lets just pull random shit out our ass

No one is acting as if the Sox are squeaky clean but this is kind of silly. So in 04-06 with testing he was cool but in 07 “stringent” testing began so he stopped???

His ISO power for years 01-08
01 (25) .225
02 (26) .195
03 (27) .163 (sample survey year)
04 (28) .258 (real testing PK decides to start juicing)
05 (29) .250
06 (30) .239
07 (31) .231 (stringent testing PK stops)
08 (32) .199 (Pks really stops??)

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 13, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sounds about right...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

blackjack used to work out with clemens

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey jc, want to grab a beer sometime?

Me and you tend to agree on a lot of stuff. Plus you crack me up. No hmo

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if you lack health care, you really shouldn't be out there flipping vehicles, eh?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who lacks health care?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

especially in high school.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

haha no kidding, they don't watch the games and they don't read the comments. All they do is stare.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it was a play on your typo, nevermind.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 13, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i was trying to be work safe lol

incase they have a keylogger on here. oops

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i didn't get hurt at work...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AFLAC!

"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09

by tailgater on Feb 13, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BCBS!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

flagged

joke already made

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who doesn't want to get out to a fast start....?

Isn’t this just cliche? Konerko is 77 for 354 over the last 2 Aprils and Mays. = .218 BA

2006 was his last “good” start. 57 for 196 .290 with 15 hr the first 2 months…. of course this was one of his best years as a pro…. 35 hr .313 BA 113 rbi’s

God i miss that guy.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Feb 13, 2009 7:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Paulie K. is apparently a self proclaimed mental midget!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

CF thought.....

Yeah—it’s inevitable at this point that at least for the first couple weeks of March DWISE, JO and BA will battle it out for opening day CF honors.
But….if none of the three overwhelm (very likely IMO) then I think there’s some logic in getting J Edmonds in the fold. Presumable he enjoyed his stint in Chicago last season and we know KW wanted him during the winter of 2008 (Edmonds actually rejected a trade that KW and Mozeliak had agreed upon)……anyway, I still think Edmonds plays a pretty solid CF (though I am sure some of you on here could throw a stat showing otherwise)….and though his bat ain’t what it used to be he slugged 19 HRS in 250 Abs last season and got on base at a .369 clip (Cub numbers, Padres numbers excluded)…..he’d sit against lefties (BA would then get the call)……but what I also like is that he provides more left-handed thump after Thome…..and I certainly don’t think anyone here would be shocked if Thome’s 38 year-old ass spent a stint or two on the DL at some point…..
anyway…just a thought…..what do you guys think?

by stanchar on Feb 13, 2009 8:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I was actually contemplating this yesterday

when bores and bernstein were asking themselves if he retired or if its that nobody wants him. we COULD get him on the cheap for sure, and he would serve as a nice insurance policy. I heard he is a real toolbox though.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and he wears guyliner

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can Getz play CF or SS?

by Grinder in Training on Feb 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He played a bit of short last year.

I have no idea how well he handled the position, though.

He also played in the outfield a bit, but I don’t think in center.

I’m not sure why nobody seems interested in Ray Durham. I wouldn’t mind the Sox giving him a cheap one-year deal.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Feb 13, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Ray Ray JRE

Would be an decent 2b and leadoff hitter…

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Durham works too

I was thinking Orlando Hudson on a one year deal now that guys like Abreu are only making 5 million you’d have to think we can afford him. But.. that really would only seem like a good deal if Getz stays on the field and Wise / Owens off of it.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 13, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just say "no" to giving up draft picks.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That.. is why I’m an idiot. Didn’t think that one through.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 13, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you act like the sox know what to do with those draft picks...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

because the last two drafts haven't been productive or anything

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so [x} means good point

got it

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah [x} means good point

[x] means your comment has been ignored.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

whooosh

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[x]

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As long as he was platooned properly

he would be an upgrade to our current situation, so I agree.

by jc2313 on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know that eyeliner he wears will probably not go over well with the home team fans.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe on the north side he could get away with that...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*did

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 13, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

who likes fifth starter candidates?

richard.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/chisox-5th-starter-candidates-clayton-richard

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well, that doesn't look good...

…next.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

larry and hoodie probably already knew this...but for the rest of you:

Happy Mistress Day…(which happens to fall on Friday the 13th) – interesting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2008/03/12/2008-03-12_feb_13__mistress_day__marks_day_of_stray-1.html

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not married

Friday night is the night for having a drink with your mates, which is where I’m off now

regards

anytime you like sunshine

by hoodlight on Feb 13, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

THT 2009 Preview shipped today

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

have you read previous issues?

i’m pretty good at waive wire picks, but i need to improve at drafting for fantasy..i like their fantasy section on the website

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 13, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no

this is my first time pickin it up. its supposed to get here next friday

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BP's Top 100 Prospects

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8506

Three White Sox:

28. Gordon Beckham
74. Aaron Poreda
99. Brandon Allen

by Off the bus running on Feb 13, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Interesting that Flowers didn't make it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I left a comment up there

and Goldstein said “Viceido was closer than Flowers, who I have trouble evaluating as a catcher.”

by Off the bus running on Feb 13, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not really, considering goldstein ranked him below both allen and viciedo. you think the white sox system would go five deep on a top 100 list?

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This all goes back to Duane Schafer, that SOB.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there is only 1 SoB!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wish there were zero.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Feb 13, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

don't we all

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Smoak 22, Gordon 28

KW can’t draft AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 13, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

paxson out?

and miami gtrades marion for jermaine o’neal

http://www.blogabull.com/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 13, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

gtrades.

that sounds about right.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

player and a bucket of Gatorade

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're much tamer.

"Still, there is considerable evidence that Mr. Williams was truly sick, including the fact that he has since died."

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i turned on the Bulls game last night wiht 6 seconds leftm down three

Gordon at the line.
Hits all three free throws.
Hinrich steals the inbound, calls a TO
5 seconds left
Bulls inbound, weak ass lob, stolen by Wade, calls a TO.
3 seconds left
Marion inbounds to Wade, back to Marion
Wide Open dunk to win the game.
literally the oldest trick in the book.
and that is why the Bulls are dead to me.

Glad to get the reminder in less than 7 seconds of game time.

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The New Baseball-Reference is coming

http://sandbox.baseball-reference.com/players/r/raineti01.shtml

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Riensdorf Needs To Sell Chicago Bulls Immediatly

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/123734-riensdorf-needs-to-sell-bulls-team-immediatly

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i love the poorly worded poll question

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 13, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maxxis to Sponsor Dodgers, White Sox and Yanks in 2009

Maxxis International will sponsor the Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago White Sox and New York Yankees throughout the 2009 season.

Maxxis’ signage will be displayed behind home plate for half an inning during every other home game at both Dodger Stadium and U.S. Cellular Field in Chicago. Signage will also be placed at new Yankee Stadium. (Tire Review/Akron)

http://www.tirereview.com/default.aspx?type=wm&module=4&id=2&state=DisplayFullText&item=13797

maxxis makes tires
http://www.maxxis.com/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 13, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

tires and sanitary napkins are an interesting combination.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

either way, you don't want a leak.

by madvillian on Feb 13, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

2nd place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to the Toronto Blue Jays in Jayson Starks’ discussion of the most unimproved teams in the AL.

by stanchar on Feb 13, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i'm thinking "unimproved" isn't exactly the precise term to use.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it is jayson starks, be thankful he was able to somewhat complete a thought.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 13, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

brooks boyer talking some finance.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090213&content_id=3824596&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

MLB.com: What’s advertising revenue like for the team at this point?

Boyer: I anticipate sponsorships being down anywhere between 10 to 15 percent, as I sit here [at the start of February], with two months to go before we start. But you just never know. Everyone we’ve talked to, the lowest we’ve heard, with the exception of one club, is 10 percent down.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So the Sox is down more than everyone else?

I already see the increase in Miller products. D*mmit.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think "lowest" means least decline (outside of brewers, apparently)

the white sox are not a team that would be down more than everyone else.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ah...got it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

are=is

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

is=are...d*mmit.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that was a nice insight and certainly

makes sense given the payroll number we are looking at . . .

by jc2313 on Feb 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

from reading the tea leaves, they're probably anticipating something like an overall decline in revenue of about 15%

so if you drop payroll about 15%, makes sense.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

advertising revenue

They aren’t including the increases in parking, tickets and concessions.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"overall decline in revenue"

and i’m sure you’re familiar with that whole supply and demand thing, right? price goes up, often units sold goes down?

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

point being

that simply because they’re selling something for more does not mean they are going to recoup the revenue from what is the almost certain decline in all those things you mention. i’m sure the organization has a far better grasp of what effect price increases have on ticket sales and so on. their conclusion likely was that keeping things at their former prices would provide less revenue than increasing those prices. which makes sense for products such as season tickets that are less elastic.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Usually, when a company, sports franchise, sex shop

increases the price of a goods or service – the goal is to increase revenue. True, an increase in this product/service will drive some buyers away. But, in the end the added revenue from the price increase should outway the declined revenue from number of units/services sold. Otherwise your cost/benefit guy should be fired.

What I read in the quote from Boyer above is that it looks like advertising revenue is down 10-15. They are decreasing the payroll about 15. So about a wash. What I don’t know is if they plan on increasing revenue based on ticket prices, parking and concessions.

In a normal economy, one would think attendance would be up after a division title year. But, with the recession it might be down. We know prices are going up – but what will happen to attendance? I am sure they have a much better grasp of this than I do.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

of course the goal is to "increase" revenue.

but from what base point is one referrring. sox fans seem to be thinking “last year’s ticket revenue” when they talk about this increase, i.e. the white sox are going to be making more money in ticket sales this season as opposed to last. which seems a highly tenuous assertion to be making when it seems a certainty that, whatever the price, attendance will be down. the base point should be what the expected revenue for 2009 would be with the “old” ticket prices and the new ticket prices. i’m guessing the expected revenue from tickets, no matter the price, should be down from last year. i’d also guess the point of the increase was to prevent that decline from being too large.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You could be right

Have you heard/seen anything about the number of season tickets sold this year compared to last?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

however, i would imagine they’d be trumpeting it if it had remained stable and/or increased. of course, theoretically there’s still time before the season.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Single game tickets went on sale today too

we’ll see what happens there as well.

One other major revenue source are the luxury boxes, bought mainly by guess who? Businesses and large corporations…that’s gonna hurt.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 13, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing specific, but this would seem to support Larry's statement

Now, going into 2009, we have an economic crisis like we have never had before. There are challenges, but the season-ticket base remains strong. We obviously are trying to add to it and would love to get back to the ‘06 level. But we’ve never been there in our history, so it’s our goal to get back there

by jc2313 on Feb 13, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They had over 90% renewal

I’ve heard as high as 95% – But Brook mentioned over 90 at Soxfest. That is probably because post season had the lock-in clause. On the price increase, it was just under 10%, so I’d hate to see what Brook considers a large jump. Add to that, the bargain Mondays erase any saving you get in the season ticket package. (Based on ticket cost – not availabilty or location)

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Feb 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs