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Economy Hits White Sox' Sponsorships

We've often referenced the economy when talking about the upcoming baseball season, but we haven't really had any specifics cite. Today we have two separate articles filled with specifics.

First, the LA Times writes about sponsorships at the Sox new spring training facility, a move which cost the Sox a $5MM buyout to relocate from Tucson.

The Dodgers and Chicago White Sox, who share the facility, were so excited about their new home's potential as a revenue producer that they ignored the proven spring training model of seeking local advertisers and focused their efforts on finding national sponsors.

The concept -- called "The Starting 9" -- was designed to allow nine major sponsors paying $200,000 annually to secure the naming rights for different parts of the facility.

And to make those packages even more attractive, opportunities for fantasy camps or corporate outings were included.

So far, the sales force is 0 for nine in selling them.

Second, we have an interview with White Sox VP and Chief Marketing Officer, Brooks Boyer, concentrating on how the economy may effect the Sox partnerships, payroll and ticket prices.

[Update by The Cheat, 02/14/09 12:00 AM CST]: Oh, and ticket sales for the new spring training facility are "less than we hoped."

Star-divide

MLB.com: When you are talking about being smarter and showing these partners what you have, does that involve including incentives, of sorts?

Boyer: It's not about cutting the price. It really isn't. It's about being smarter and making every single dollar work a little bit harder that they are spending. We have to try to put partners together and create an atmosphere of creativity, rather than, "Here's our standard operating procedure." We have to be a little more creative, like every team has to be.

MLB.com: You mentioned that you've already lost two corporate partners for the season.

Boyer: For this season, we had one partner who said it's our sign or 10 jobs. We have to understand that. Hopefully, that partner will be back when that comes around again.

MLB.com: What's advertising revenue like for the team at this point?

Boyer: I anticipate sponsorships being down anywhere between 10 to 15 percent, as I sit here [at the start of February], with two months to go before we start. But you just never know. Everyone we've talked to, the lowest we've heard, with the exception of one club, is 10 percent down.

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we're fucked.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 13, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

Creative marketing.......

My President is black, my lambo blue, and I’ll be damned if he ain’t a Sox fan too?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

ah, nothing like a little racism to kick off the morning.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

got two people who think it is.

perception is everything.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

is "mulatto" ok? or is that another not allowed word

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 14, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

use whatever words you want. SSS is not a message board for a class on racial identity and joecoolman24 is not a racial arbiter.

this isn’t the place to be making provocative posts and adding incendiary signatures about race. i find his posts on this topic, both here and in the past, and his signature to be offensive.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

i also think it's offensive

that some white suburban kid in high school thinks he’s got enough perspective to deny a man’s ethnicity.

by Craig Grebeck on Feb 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

This arguement is so stupid

That i think it has become funny.

I find that most people that make statements and signatures like the one above, are looking for a reaction.

If this is the way that JoeCoolMan24 wants to represent himself, then imo so be it.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Feb 14, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

nice sig

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 14, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks....

I got my reaction…. yes…. i can change it now

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Feb 14, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

that's what i was going for

great movie

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 14, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It reminds me of middle school

One of my friends was a white kid from South Africa, and we were all like, “HE’S AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN HAHAHAHAHAHA.”

We thought we were kinda clever for a couple days, and then we moved onto something else.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Feb 15, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Now you are assuming I am white?

I am offended by this.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 14, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Well joe cool is reference to a peanuts character.

So yeah i assumed your white…

Reed Rothchild: Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man.

DIRK: Let me explain to him in simple arithmetic. One, two three! Because you don't fuckin' get it, Burt! You give us the tapes. We get the record contract. We come back and give you your fuckin' money. Have you heard the tapes? Have you even heard them? We're guaranteed a record deal. Our stuff is that good!

by ElDiablo on Feb 14, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I apologize.

I just assume that everyone is white.

BTW big Young Jeezy fan.

Reed Rothchild: Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man.

DIRK: Let me explain to him in simple arithmetic. One, two three! Because you don't fuckin' get it, Burt! You give us the tapes. We get the record contract. We come back and give you your fuckin' money. Have you heard the tapes? Have you even heard them? We're guaranteed a record deal. Our stuff is that good!

by ElDiablo on Feb 14, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

And you were not being provocative by pretending to be offended by my signature.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 15, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah, it's pretty improbable for an 18 year old male using the internet in the United States

to be white.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

lay off man. i know a kid here at school who makes the same argument about barack.

he also penned an article for the paper titled “racism? nah, just some truth” wherein he proclaimed that black people were better athletes because of slavery, and that somehow worked as reparations.

by Craig Grebeck on Feb 14, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

the Daily's op-ed section has long been

totally uninspiring, but there are minimum standards. ann arbor and its burbs voted, iirc, 75-25 to keep affirmative action in universities when douchebag Ward Connerly shoved Prop 2 down Michigan’s throat.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

the newspaper here is a pile of garbage, for the most part.

it’s very sad. lots of incendiary editorials for the sake of being incendiary. for a liberal arts school that lauds itself for being so progressive, it really has an absolute shit newspaper.

by Craig Grebeck on Feb 14, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

organizational culture is instituted by leadership

whoever you got running the editorship obviously sucks and there’s probably been a decent history of crap voting for crap prior to your enrollment.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

that is the line for what offends larry?

didn’t see that coming. duly noted.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 15, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

that's some stupid shit son.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ignorant

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 14, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Well half at least.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 14, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

stupid is the word you're looking for.

cliché would also play.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

wrecked yo

can we talk spring training now, i’ve got some deep thoughts to share

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 15, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

let's do it

we’ve got some decent and strong major league talent, i feel

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Cheat

can just delete this useless fucking thread from the SSS archives . . . from both sides, I find it incredibly pointless. And yes I could just not read it . . . but, I keep forgetting what a piece of shit thread this is and I click on it when I see new messages . . . damn me.

by jc2313 on Feb 15, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

needs to be saved for posterity

all our dumb shit has to stay

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 15, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

both sides?

there’s the one dude that wants to trifle with bullshit and everyone else who wants him to stfu. this one’s easy.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 15, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

flagged

panties are beyond the maximum allowable number of twists

safety first, people

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 15, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see how you got your high school newspaper writing gig

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 14, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you want a white President?

Just asking, because making the statement that “My President is white” gives the inkling that you want your President to be white.

by slydernelson on Feb 15, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If I wanted a 100% white president, I would have voted for McCain

But I voted for Obama, even though I’m racist.

My president is white.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 15, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Our Moneys Light Green

How much you tryna pay?

Cause we don’t have much of it

by 815Sox on Feb 14, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

don't worry. obama is about to start printing money. should be plenty of it around soon.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

On top of that -

They are now paying for 24 hour shifts of workers 7 days a week to finish the construction. Good thing some of the contracts expire after this season.

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Feb 13, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions  

I talked to a gal going to ST late next month

she was stoked to get her tickets at $25 a wack, until I told her I went two years ago and paid $5 a ticket.

I think Jim had a good post on this at sox machine.

by e-gus on Feb 13, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

broken link

that must be the 15th time someone tried to give a link to this “sox machine”

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

by Jbasic89 on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the newest web meme

no more rickrolling

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 13, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Once the Depression hits and no other form of organized entertainment exists

baseball will see a surge of attendance, just like in other historically tough times. Corporate sponsors are history. Idiot marketing/salespeople for devising the “national” strategy – sounds like laziness in not wanting to have to call a bunch of small businesses and hoping for the “savior” large business.

My wife has organized a local 5K run that was sponsored by Sea World, among others, who are this year 86’ing their $2500 commitment. Skybox sponsorship, for $1000, anyone?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 14, 2009 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

The revival of town ball is near!

Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"

by Brush Back on Feb 14, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

tell sea world i'm interested in purchasing a whale

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

a real one, or some of that orca bullshit?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

killer whale.

i shall name him/her “killer”.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

more fifth starter candidates

poreda.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/chisox-fifth-starter-candidates-aaron-poreda

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

It worries me a bit on some of the subtle calls of folks

in rushing Poreda. As I work my way thru Baseball Forecaster the section about young pitchers and AAA experience is pretty interesting. It bears watching with David Price (oops I forgot somebody thinks he compares with Joba this year). Either way I’m saying away from David in my drafts.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 14, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe. but i'm not necessarily sold that it's quite a problem for the very elite prospects with college experience, like price or a verlander or a lincecum.

poreda, on the other hand, is not an elite prospect. i am quite opposed to him being on the opening day roster. and for fantasy purposes, price is obviously a risk/reward proposition.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The author expresses concern about Poreda's K rate

But Poreda has never been a strikeout pitcher. To go along with great control, he’s maintained an above-average GB rate in his professional career and judging from the number of HRs he gave up at USF, in his collegiate career as well. I think limiting walks and keeping the ball on the ground will be bigger factors to his success than the strikeouts. Lack of Ks may hurt him in the projection system analysis used in this article as well

by 3E8 on Feb 14, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

From some early scouting reports his speed came late.

As he becomes a better pitcher his K rate should catch up. It would be rare for a left hander that throws that hard not to have an above avg k rate.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 14, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

walt hriniak destroyed michael jordan's chance at a major league career?
In truth, Jordan never had a chance in spring training; he simply wasn’t going to be a major-league hitter. But the White Sox handed him a stifling handicap in coach Walt Hriniak.

A hard-nosed player in his day, and a former hockey player, Hriniak had spent years in the Red Sox’ organization. A firm disciple of the weight-back, level-swing method, Hriniak also taught an exaggerated, one-handed follow-through that couldn’t have looked more ridiculous. I remember likening it to a guy trying to examine a hardwood floor and kill a mosquito on the ceiling at the same time. Ted Williams, perhaps the greatest pure hitter the game had ever seen, liked to work with young hitters during the Red Sox’ spring training but found himself overruled by Hriniak, who had management’s backing. Try to imagine that, The Splendid Splinter on the sidelines, wishing he could put a little uppercut in a prospect’s swing, and here’s Walt friggin’ Hriniak ruling the roost.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/threedotblog/detail?blogid=60&entry_id=35602

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

didnt hurt swear by this guy?

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 14, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

yup

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

so he was likely succeeding in spite of hrniak?

what was so appealing, id imagine perhaps comfort level?

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 14, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

no, no.

one approach doesn’t have to work for all. the problem people have with hriniak is that he supposedly imposed his methods on everyone.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

well, i don't know enough about how he taught.

but, yeah, for anyone teaching just about anything.

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Early arrivals: Outfielder Carlos Quentin and infielders Josh Fields and Chris Getz were expected to be among position players allowed to participate in the first workout for pitchers and catchers Sunday. Quentin and Getz (wrist injuries) and Fields (knee surgery) are recovering from late-season ailments.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-14-white-sox-bits-chicagofeb14,0,2101996.story

White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.

by larry on Feb 14, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

larry ain't gonna show mercy just

cuz you’s a lurker, boy.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

We both know how seriously I take my associate editorship here at SSS

and I know you guys love it when I actually make posts I say I’m going to, so in the spirit of having done that for an entirely different group of people. Plus at least some of you are interested in college football (Big Ten anyway) and UA writes with a guy who has ballin’ footballmetric skills. I wrote this:

At Least Nick Sheridan Has People Skills

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 14, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions  

hello

my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker

by hoodlight on Feb 14, 2009 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

twat

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Feb 14, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

that's not nice

my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker

by hoodlight on Feb 14, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

he can't help it, it's an auto-script

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 15, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

i r bot?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Feb 15, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

see the larry-hoodie twat-a-tet from around xmas/nye

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 15, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

columbus update
The plan is for Colon to delay pitching to live hitters until mid-March.

With the Sox not playing their fourth game until April 10, that should give Colon ample time to become game-ready.

another bit

Williams has compared Marquez, whom he scouted closely in the Arizona Fall League, to Jon Garland because of his sinker.

A Yankees source, however, said opponents made contact too frequently against Marquez and that he was susceptible to big rallies.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-15-white-sox-chicagofeb15,0,1468599.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 14, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

Ervin Santana avoids arb, signs 4/30

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3907460

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Feb 14, 2009 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

crede update
The Twins want to sign Joe Crede, who needs a place to play. But Crede and his indefatigable agent, Scott Boras, apparently want a raise from the $5.1 million he earned with the White Sox last season, the second consecutive year in which back problems limited his playing time.

Twins Chief Executive Officer Bill Smith is under budget but sees even $5 million as a huge risk on Crede. There should be a compromise to be made here, especially since general partner Jim Pohlad says he’s a Crede backer.

“We have payroll room, and we’re not done,” said Pohlad, who is assuming control from his late father. “The season hasn’t started yet. Frequently, transactions occur during spring training, so it still could happen.”

San Francisco is the only other team known to have an interest in Crede. The challenge for him and other unsigned free agents is to get in game shape without the benefit of a training camp. The players union rejected the idea of hosting a camp for unsigned players, leaving Crede, Frank Thomas and about 75 others on their own.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-090214-phil-rogers-on-baseball,0,586589.column

but

Giants Out On Crede. Twins?

Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News has heard that the Giants don’t expect to sign Joe Crede. The club believes he’ll wind up with the Twins instead.

La Velle E. Neal III wrote Friday that the Twins face a substantial gap in contract talks with Crede. He’s still demanding $7MM guaranteed, plus nearly $4MM in incentives. Keep in mind that he’s a Scott Boras client.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/02/giants-out-on-c.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 14, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions  

Something tells me...

that Crede is going to burn us at least a couple of times if he signs on with the Twins this season. Or he’ll pull a disc in his back by May and never play again.

by slydernelson on Feb 15, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

that's basically what the Twins are paying for.

an X% chance you get the real Joe Crede for 150 games. if they hit on their investment, sure enough Joe will do some damage to us.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 15, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

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