Family matters for White Sox's Mark Buehrle, who is considering retirement after 2011 season
Buehrle was homesick, which isn't really news. He's homesick on the first day of spring training every year. But it has grown worse since he became a father as well as a committed husband, son and brother.
He was missing 18-month-old son Braden so much Sunday that he was talking about walking away from baseball after the 2011 season, when his contract expires. He would be 32, the same as Sandy Koufax was when he retired rather than continue to deal with an arthritic elbow.
"People may say I'm full of it," said Buehrle, relaxing in front of his locker at the White Sox's new Camelback Ranch. "I don't know. Maybe I am. But as I look at it today, I don't think you're going to see me in a baseball uniform for too many more years. I miss my family too much when I'm away." ...
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it would tick me off just a little
if mb pitched for the cardinals after his contract is up so that he could be closer to his family
and i was a huge fan of black flag growing up…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 15, 2009 11:55 PM CST reply actions
yeah, i wasn't sure if that album pic was crossing the line
but duly noted
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
huh
that pic wasn’t there when i logged in minutes ago, and now its there…excuse me, while i take another hit
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'm contractually obligated to Front Page this
because amongst all the spiffy new digs and player X lost/gained Z many pounds any article that mentions retirement, even if it was, you know, a bit hypothetical and 3 full seasons away, is an actual story.
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like the favre tag
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
It's a same iif he did
Buehrle had an outside chance at 300 wins (assuming he went into his early 40s).
My president is white.
shouldn't have had ribs.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
gale street inn ribs?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Whatever
After all the hoopla over his past contract extension, I’m not going to worry that far in the future with him, particularly with Danks & Floyd (assuming we keep them) under our control through 2012.
So long Cardinal boy!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions
Comeon
I know it must suck to be away from your family, but frankly the Mark probably gets to spend at least as much time with his family as would a “normal” working family man.
how much time would he get to spend with his family if he was a "normal" retired family man?
and i think there’s a slight difference between getting to see your family whole lot for 4.5 months and then not getting to see very much of them the rest of the time.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
not getting to see them very much during 81 home games either?
I would take 4.5 month vacation and be able to see my family for half of the days I actually have to work… being a multi-millionare I could fly my family to any game I want and set them up at a 5 star hotel. Man it must suck to be a pro ball player!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think he said it sucks to be a ball player.
He said he doesn’t like leaving his family for 8 months out of the year, just like a lot of other people out there. He just happens to be able to afford to stop working.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I can't argue with him . . .
if I made $56M over 4 years, I would think about spending time with my family too.
if he's still "good" in a few years
he probably would be able to dictate terms similar to what other pitchers have done (like extra time at home when he won’t be pitching road games etc.), if he wants to go that route. he seems quite competitive so i find it rather unlikely that he’d quit in his early 30s. but his family oriented nature makes you wonder whether he’d be interested in chasing something like 300 wins. he’s always sounded like the type who would leave the game long before it kicked him out.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
chasing 300 wins???
HAHAHA I don’t think so…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
why?
He’s exactly the type of pitcher to do it.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
moyer hadn't won 35 games by the time he was MB's age.
he’s got almost 250 now.
if we’re betting on players around 30 years old, MB is certainly one of the 5 or so best bets.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
i had to check br for that
wow. it’s not like he had a turnaround, but it’s apparent that his success as a starter began in his first year in seattle. do you know if he changed his mechanics around this time? i really know nothing about this guy, but approaching 250 wins is a significant milestone no matter how you get there.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
lots of theories on moyer.
i think you really just have to look at him as an outlier. he’s a smart guy and he’s known for doing a lot of pre-start work on scouting and matchups (don’t know when he started that but i’d say one can guess it wasn’t when he broke into mlb).
he’s that finesse pitcher type who will do well in the minors but often struggle adjusting to higher levels. plus he had some injuries and went back and forth from the bullpen some, too. i think the safest thing is to just say that he “figured it out” or “something just clicked” right around the time he started to get some consistent playing time around age 30. what it was that he figured out or clicked was probably a combination of things. he’s an interesting case – and probably a unique one – and i’ve never really seen a indepth interview with him that explained it, or at least got his thoughts.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
the one thing about Moyer
that amazes me is how he throws his changeup . . . he throws it with his legs . . . by not pushing as hard off of the mound. I read somewhere that he said that no one could pickup on that . . . how hard a pitcher pushes off of the rubber so he started messing around with one offseason. I had never heard of anything like that, so yeah, unique is what comes to my mind too.
no he is not
exactly the type. unless he happens to pitch until he is 45 which is how don sutton did it.
agreed
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
As opposed to any pitcher who wins 300?
avg 15 for 12 seasons, yeah that’s impossible for Mark.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
what makes you believe he is going to average 15 wins per season?
anyways I though wins didn’t mean sh*t when it came to judging a pitcher?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
the fact that he currently averages 14 a season
1 more win a year hardly seems unbelievable
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
When did I say he would?
I said he is the type of pitcher who could make a run if he had a desire to. Carlos Zambrano would be the exact opposite type.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
By the way
What exactly is your type that could win 300 games these days?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
i like how the media said shit like that after maddux
that no one else would ever do it again
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
yep
No one will EVER do it again. Look its obviously harder and the ridiculous money takes away the desire but it can and will be done again.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
especially considering Glavine pulled it off so soon afterwards
and RJ should get it this year
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
look at the guys who did it
they are guys who had cy youngs, mvps, multiple 20 game seasons….these guys were dominant pitchers. buehrle is not a dominant pitcher. he’s a good pitcher. like sutton, if he can pitch until he’s 45, he could do it.
because awards are really what we should be comparing
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
is that supposed to be sarcasm?
b/c it is true. these guys were the best of the best.
you are an idiot.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
you are quite possibly the worst debater on here
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
So it was the awards huh?
Not the number of years they pitched?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
agreed
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Pitchers On Course For 300 Wins
by Bill James
Pitcher – chance of reaching 300
Randy Johnson .86
Mike Mussina – .47
Jamie Moyer – .25
Johan Santana – .24
Brandon Webb – .23
Andy Pettitte – .18
CC Sabathia – .18
Roy Halladay – .16
Roy Oswalt – .10
Derek Lowe – .05
Mark Buehrle – .04
Javier Vazquez – .04
AJ Burnett – .02
Tim Wakefield, Kenny Rogers, Barry Zito, Jon Garland, Livan Hernandez, – .01
yup. and bill says exactly what i say above about one of the younger candidates making it.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
lol
okay. Yeah solid argument.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
doesn't seem that solid to me.
i’d bet a great deal of money that there is a pitcher amongst that group of about 30 year olds – webb, santana, halladay, MB, sabathia, oswalt – who will do it. the type is guys who have achieved 100+ wins by age 30.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
that would be interesting
to know the pitchers who had 100 by 30 and what % got 300. i don’t know how to find that.
What exactly are you looking for?
Its not like its a common occurrence. And some have the advantage of pitching on great freaking teams to run up their win totals faster.
Its never been easy to win 300.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
i'm looking for a list
of guys that have 100 wins by age 30. do you have that?
use baseball reference if you want exacts.
from memory, i can tell you there are about 225 who have done it in the modern era.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
aight
so about 15 from the modern era got 300 wins. thats about 6.6%. which I would say is about his odds.
HAH!
Hatch, u da man!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
You are completely missing the point, he does not, NOT see his family for 8 months out of the year.
They can fly out to games, and be with him for every home game. How about our soldiers overseas who truley don’t see their families for months at a time. Why don’t you respond to the whole comment instead of cherry-picking one sentence to prove your point.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
flying out to games with a newborn and a year and half old child. yeah. that would be fucking awesome. i'm sure his wife will be doing that every road trip.
and because he didn’t mention soldiers he hates them.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
hey it is sure as hell better than being in a regular profession!
the kids get to be brought up by their mother, no crazy baby sitters or day care facilities. If anything he is hurting his family by not making as much money as he can! He can set generations of his family up for life! The more money he makes the more generations he helps out so I don’t see how this benefits his family…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
money = happiness
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
huh?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps read the article. he's not just talking about his wife and (soon to be) kids.
and i’ve known plenty of people who have taken significant paycuts because they don’t want to be away from their family. money is nice. being there when your kid says their first word is nicer for most people.
and i’m sure your family will love being summoned to you whenever you decide you want to see them.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Sometimes I think you disagree with people
Just to do it Larry. All I’m saying is he gets to see his family as much as most other people kid. The guy gets a pretty nice break, plays at home sometimes, and makes millions of dollars.
I understand that it must suck and he can do whatever he damn well wants to when his contract is up, but just suck it up a little I guess.
guy wants to see his family and you tell him to suck it up.
nothing but love here.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
bollocks - he just wants to drive his truck round and shoot things
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 16, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
* with his family
this is the guy who proposed to his wife in a treestand. hunting is family business.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
kinda like grand theft auto 4
+1
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
idk man
while larry does seem to pick a lot of arguments, i don’t think this is one of them. the guy is gone from mid-february to september. and you have to figure that even when he’s in town for a home series or two, he probably doesn’t get to spend that much time with his family. same with the off-season. and i figure it’s probably even worse for a starting pitcher seeing as 4/5 of the games you’re just sitting there watching.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
What stake do you have in what Mark Buehrle does?
If the guy doesn’t want to play professional baseball anymore at the end of this contract, who am I to tell him otherwise? Everyone has different priorities, and he’s had a very successful career. MB has no obligation to play beyond signed contracts he has made.
I would miss watching him pitch but its not like I feel he owes me or any other fan anything.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
-1
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
= 0
"wow, yeah. cubs ST should be awesome. have a great time."
-by Larry on Jan. 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST
Not only that, but who can blame a guy for wanting to possibly evade the damage that a full career pitching will accrue on your body? I don't blame him at all. I'd take the money...n run.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
see : Jake Plummer
"wow, yeah. cubs ST should be awesome. have a great time."
-by Larry on Jan. 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST
Well like I said
After he finishes this contract I could care less what he does.
All I’m saying is that Buerhle is probably seeing his family no less when compared to the average working american nowadays, shit we have tons of people working 2 or 3 jobs right now…
The schedule may be different, during the baseball season he most likely doesn’t see his family much but he does get a pretty nice break.
What does he have left to prove?
38th round pick that has been unbelievably consistent for the last 8 years.
Has his world series ring.
Has enough money and doesn’t seem to be flashy/stupid with it.
Isn’t loved by the fans or truly appreciated for what he does.
Has to be sick of the Cardinal stuff.
If he retires tomorrow, I call him the most dependable and best white sox pitcher in the last 3 decades.
I know that their are guys with better stat years, and “stuff”
I am relating more to his body of work.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
His vehicle is the direct opposite of flashy/stupid
I wouldn’t blame him at all for retireing after 2011. I find it tough to be away from family for extended lengths of time, and I don’t even have a kid
i'd love one of them
I would probably get arrested just for driving it down the road, it would annoy so many people.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
I wish we could say the same.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
flagged.
anti-american.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
In this particular topic.....goddam right.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
it's not like mark is driving this on 290 or something.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
No, I'm sure he uses it solely for farming.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
and i'm sure you go to safeco because you need a climate-controlled baseball stadium to keep you warm and dry.
as i’m sure i don’t need to tell someone who patronizes safeco, there’s a difference between what one does for entertainment on their 1000+ acre hunting grounds and what they do everyday. the latter is far more of a concern.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
i don't think safeco is climate-controlled in the a/c sense
it just has a hat.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
excuse me. i forgot that people still watch games from the bleachers.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
during the 3-game set i was at, the only game they put the top on was for the sunday game
i was behind home. and cold. everything was open air as far as i could tell.
i’m not disagreeing with you on the car thing, btw. just splitting hairs about safeco.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
let me know what the environmental impact of a baseball game is.
i’ve read some (albeit from some environmental partisans). and they ain’t pretty. we don’t exactly support a green activity here.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Well, obviously we can't influence the environmental impact of a baseball game at an individual level. It's going to occur whether we are in the stands or outside the park holding picket signs.
But we can each decide not to drive a behemoth vehicle that averages under 10 MPG, daily around our respective suburbs and cities.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
and mark is doing this?
what are you going on about? the point i made is that what one does on an everyday basis is far more important than what we do less frequently. you don’t disagree with that. stop worrying about what mark is driving around when he’s hunting.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
No, Mark isn't doing this....actually, how would I know where he drives this thing??
This conversation didn’t start with any commentary from me in regards to MB specifically. I have not been alluding to Buerhle once yet.
All I said is that I wished we could say the same (to hoodie) about not allowing vehicles like this on our roads.
And then, when you said Mark wasn’t driving this down 290, I pointed out that a lot of idiot Americans are…
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
a lot of idiot americans are not driving this.
good lord. look at that thing. like i said, it’s classified as a commercial truck. it’s like twelve feet tall. i don’t think i’ve ever actually seen a f-650 in person.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
I am sure you will not believe me...but I live in a land full of rednecks and hunters and I see rigs like this all the time here, complete with bumper stickers that say shit like:
“GUN CONTROL MEANS USING TWO HANDS.”
It is probably much more common to have this $40,000 truck, with $40,000 of lifts and modifications where I am, than where you are.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
okay. but what MB has is not an $80K truck.
not even close.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
No, I would imagine it is a tit bit more than that....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
GUN CONTROL MEANS 2 HANDS!!!!
ROFL
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, because
what we need are laws on the types of cars American people can and cannot drive based on MPG. That would be great.
Actually, that seems like a great place to start helping the planet on which we all live. Nice suggestion!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
if I end up paying because someone else wants to drive his 5 mpg rig
than the answer is damn yes
if someone wants to destroy the environment with his habits, then he can go to mars and knock himself out
I don’t want to be paying for someone else’s stupidity
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Imagine how the rest of the world feels...
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
the national academy of science found that the stricter CAFE standards contributed to the deaths of 1300-2600 people each year in car accidents.
regulations can have unintended consequences.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Not too mention that
pesky little economic lesson . . . by making it cheaper to drive (i.e. higher MPG cars). . . guess what, people drive more. And since it is miles driven and not MPG that drive greenhouse gas emissions . . .
'mpg up -> miles driven up' not necessarily
you can increase the gas tax and use that money for non-saudi arabia fuel r&d
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Just based on raising CAFE
standards, that is and would be the case. A lot of research supports that premise.
As Larry states below, the gas tax idea would at least make sense from an objective perspective.
And by the way, we have PLENTY of non Saudi Arabian gas here in the US that isn’t being used. We just don’t have the pipelines in place to get it to much of the US because it is normally more expensive, so importing the oil is traditionall cheaper. Therefore, why build the pipeline. It is the reason you see ‘crude oil’ prices so low yet prices at the pump rising. The normally cheaper and less rich foreign oil is much more expensive right now.
that may be the case
but that’s not what I’m advocating
so don’t criticize my opinion using different cases
And by the way, we have PLENTY of non Saudi Arabian gas here in the US that isn’t being used.
I think the oil we have here is peanuts compared to what we consume
but I’m willing to listen
where are your numbers?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
this will get lost in the nesting jungle,
but, exactly. what’s that old adage – you want something to disappear, tax it? if the government wants to actually do something about too much driving and not efficient enough vehicles – and i’m certainly not advocating anything – do what europe does: tax the shit out of gasoline, just like we tax the shit out of cigarettes. at least we’ll have a better sense of what will happen.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
of course, the government would never do that. so of course they'll waste everyone's time with this other shit that doesn't work as well in doing what they want it to.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
5 mpg??
Yes, lets use a ridiculous example and then set laws based on that.
Most diesel semi truck engines get 7-8 MPG today, so who the hell is driving a 5 MPG truck or car around?
5 was just an example
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
PS - I agree with the daily basis thing, of course. I'm "going on" about the fact that this IS the daily vehicle of a lot of people in this country full of selfish, ignorant folks.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think Canada is a short hike up the road . . .
feel free to move out of the country that is full of selfish and ignorant people.
by jc2313 on Feb 16, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"if you don't like what you see, don't try to effect any changes. just leave."
that’s some sage advice, there.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
nice try, but not
my quote or my point
by jc2313 on Feb 16, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
jc2313 I told you these guys like to misquote people...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
hey looky here!
TSK putting words in someone else’s mouth again!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Trust me, I've considered it. There's always someone like you, who can't handle a little American criticism. It's really okay to do that, you know. It's okay to not blindly be proud of everything we do here.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
No, I can handle criticism fine,
it has nothing to do with that. What kind of criticism is ‘everyone that drives a hummer is an asshole’ or ‘this country is full of selfish and arrogant people’? You do not know me or anybody else you so easily judge from your apparently lofty perch.
There is a vast difference between being proud and the ridiculous stance you take.
Do the people you describe exist? Sure. But, that is not the VAST MAJORITY of Americans and it is incredibly naive of you to think so.
by jc2313 on Feb 16, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I believe in very few severely cut and dry issues in this world...I think gray areas and exceptions should exist for every rule...I enjoy that greatly....
However, literally my one established truth in this world (I have said this for years), is that I do not like a single person who drives a Hummer. I am sure these people have redeeming qualities, and are loved by many others who know them, but I cannot agree with such a blatantly symbolic act of ignorance as owning a Hummer; and I think if you drive one, you are cut and dry, no question, a person who I do not wish to know.
That said, I didn’t say I thought it was the VAST MAJORITY (even in lower-case). But there are a shit-ton of them out there…and each generation only seems to be getting worse.
Also, I live in hippie town, remember, and every other car here is a Prius. So my opinion is not so narrow that I don’t notice the number of Americans who do give a shit. I’m inundated with the tree-hugging population.
Sorry if I was curt.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
In fact, questioning our decisions and being disgusted by your some of my fellow Americans' behaviors might arguably make me even more loyal to my country.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
complaining certainly seems like an american tradition.
i say carry on.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Heck yes! And I'm a woman so I thrive in this area!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I can't tell if you are implying that I patronize Safeco...but I can't recall ever saying a negative thing about that glorious ballpark...or its hat.
That said… when I see the equivalent to that beastly truck driving around every day in downtown Seattle, all I can wonder is how microscopically small the driver’s dick is.
Daily necessity does not come to mind. I know some people need rigs like that, but let’s be honest… The majority of those who are driving them daily do not NEED them at all.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
no drives the equivalent of that beastly truck around downtown seattle. come on.
drop the hyperbole. you want to complain about an SUV, go right ahead. what MB has is classified as a commercial truck and was made for him. regular people are not driving these.
and look up the definition of patronize.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
I assure you I saw something nearly identical to this image next to me on the road last week. I had to crane my neck up to see the passenger window, and made a comment
about how ridiculously enormous it was and should not be on a city road.
Do I see this type of truck daily in Seattle? nah. But something unnecessarily similar, without question, daily.
It’s no different than all the assholes out there in Hummers in the streets of any American city.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
They couldn't fit on your roads, Hoodie....could they?
"wow, yeah. cubs ST should be awesome. have a great time."
-by Larry on Jan. 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST
he has to prove to me that he can put a full season of consistency together.
and not consistently bad or mediocre.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
i dont think mark is too concerned about proving anything to you
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
el diable asked what he had left to prove.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
again, he has nothing to prove to you
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=buehrma01&year=2001#dates-month
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=buehrma01&year=2005#dates-month
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=buehrma01&year=2002#dates-month
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
3 consitent seasons? [x]
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
*consistent
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
you only asked for one
i gave three
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
You are saying those were consistent seasons?
He has been either A) really good or B) really bad during each particular season (with maybe the excpetion of 05’), and no, my name is not phil rogers.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
as has Jenks
or just about anyone on our staff for that matter. the man is a good pitcher.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Jenks has had 1 stretch in 06 when he was inconsistent.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
and perhaprs you would prefer this guy's consistency?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=jenksbo01&year=2006#dates-month
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=jenksbo01&year=2007#dates-month
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=jenksbo01&year=2008#dates-month
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
joe, is that you?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Are you killing logic again>
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Buehrle has been an above average pitcher every season
except 2006. If that isn’t “consistent” enough for you, you should probably decide on a good definition of consistent. One consistent (if you will) with the word you’re invoking. Not that it matters. This will no doubt end in you flailing about, wondering how you could possibly know so much and have so few believe you.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
surely this is a sign that baseball is upon us
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
what, that colin finally crawled out of his spider hole?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
This will no doubt end in you flailing about, wondering how you could possibly know so much and have so few believe you.
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
if i didn't like my current sig so much
that would be it
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
because your sig is so great...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
i never claimed it was great
only that i liked it. something about words in mouths
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
you shouldn't tell wtgtd to go fuck himself. that's just rude, man. and i'm pretty sure that your assertion about the circumstances of his birth is incorrect.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
and be right so often?
lucky guesses, i guess.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
sounds kind of like Jesus...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
above average???
he is pretty damn average.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
yup. the guy ranked in the top 20 amongst active pitchers in WHIP
is pretty damn average. good one.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
He better have an outstanding whip considering he can't strike anyone out!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
It must be how few walks he gives up which keeps that # down, he gives up about 10/game.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
10 hits/
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
limiting walks is the key to success.
imagine that.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
is the key to having a decent whip for him... you mean.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
no. i'll write what i mean. i would think someone who is complaining about people putting words in other peoples' mouths wouldn't be doing what they're complaining about.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
I never argued that limiting walks in the key to success...
so what is your point? How am I putting words in your mouth?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
is*
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
you're the one telling me what i mean.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
because you were putting words in my mouth d:)
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
no. i was stating my opinion. when i'm telling you what your opinion is, again, it will be quite clear.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
touche
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I will agree that he is a consistently mediocre pitcher...
see we agree on something :D
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
that happens to be 22% better than average for his career
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
small sample size.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
larry doesn't need your help
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
ok, seriously
that is your defense any time i join any argument. [insert name] doesn’t need any help. i’m not helping them. i’m arguing with you. you make bold and incorrect statements constantly and any time i use a stat or any actual proof that you are wrong, that is your response.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
see you want to argue with me,
but i dont want to argue with you. So don’t join my arguments or post stupid comments to get me into an argument…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
because you never bring anything real to an argument
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
and all you do is pile on...
if I wanted your opinion I would engage in arguements with you.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
i'm glad to see everyone reported to camp in the best shape of their lives.
all right, gentlemen – hit the showers. we don’t want to blow our wads in february.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
got to shake out the cobwebs. winter leagues only do so much
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
hey tsk you going to prove that i called everyone an ahole or just leave that comment unattended?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
when you're having trouble reading posts, it's time to hit the showers.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
lol
I can read posts just fine, when someone says I called everyone on here an a-hole, (which i probably have at one point or another) I at least want proof, if he requires the same from me.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't loved by fans?
He’s a beloved figured in this town, what are you talking about? Him or PK would be considered the face of the franchise and the cornerstone of the post Frank Thomas era generation of White Sox baseball.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
beat me to this one
i don’t think i’ve ever met a sox fan who doesn’t love beuhrle
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
I don't love him, quite frankly the guy frustrates the hell out of me.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
and i've never met you, so my point stands
but on that note, the only players on this team you don’t seem to hate are JD and Bobby. why cheer for a team full of players you dislike?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
who do I hate on this team? I don't seem to hate JO now do I?
I said I was pumped over Marquez, I said fields would hit 35 hr’s. I hate Q? I believe I told you baffoons he would be a 30/100 guy before spring training last year… The only players I can’t stand on this team are Thome, AJ (he’s a cancer),and Buehrle because he is always saying some dumb sh*t about wanting to play for the cardinals and this woe is me family crap. So what are you talking about?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
you bash PK pretty often as well
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
He sucks, but I don't dislike him...
When did I bash him? I would rather trade him or Thome over JD and I brought up the idea that he may have roided… I didn’t know that was bashing!?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
"I believe I told you baffoons [sic] he would be a 30/100 guy before spring training last year…"
citations please, nostradamus
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
search feature buddy...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not your buddy, guy....
i also don’t have time to read through every mention of WTGTD and Q!. if you’re going to call us all assholes and say how awesome your prognostication skills are (again), at least back it the fuck up with a citation instead of just making claims with the hopes that nobody will fact check you.
if you did, great. but at least be complete with your arguments instead of just making blanket insult statements.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
well maybe you should do some research if you are going to waste my time and ask for proof.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
hey when did I call you all "a-holes"?
link =
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
ok, maybe 'asshole' is hyperbole
link=“I believe I told you buffoons”
dude, your usual patting-one’s-own-back is sox’ record last year, not how CQ was going to do once we got him. all i’m asking for is that if you’re going to spout off about your own prediction skills, including a data point that hasn’t been covered ad nauseam, cite it. you of all people should have an idea about when you dropped the “dude’s going to be 30/100” prediction.
it’s easy to find out other users’ answers to polls. i’m not digging through all of your comments (especially when a number of them are pukes on threads) to find out something that you may or may not have said.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
so why would i waste time trying to appease you again?
dude you take this crap too seriously! lighten up, go for a swim in lake michigan… You know i predicted it because… well, i have predicted everything. I actually posted a check list of my prophecies not to far back so you can see the ones I was right/wrong. search “wtgtd the great”. No don’t really, but search “check”, and I think you will be able to find it pretty easily.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:09 AM CST up reply actions
look, man. my final comment on this topic
yes, a search on “check” shows you patting yourself on the back about a lot of things.
however, a search on “30” just shows (concerning CQ):
we were all excited for 30-100 potential.
NO ONE knew he was going to be a MVP candidate.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Oct 29, 2008 6:18 AM PDT
and nothing else. the facts that your name is also missing from last year’s CQ community projection and there are no comments from you in its thread are somewhat telling (unless you used a pseudonym, of course).
frankly, you don’t have to “appease” me, or anyone here. but if you’re going to waltz in and put down everybody (and fail to correctly spell your insult), at least be able to cite your statements. when you make unfounded claims, don’t be shocked if people dismiss what you have to say and you get that familiar “me v. the whole board” feeling.
i don’t have a beef with you, personally. it’s just about being honest with your arguments.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 17, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're pumped for Marquez and don't like Buehrle?
That’s just not right.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 16, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
To borrow from a friend
If 2 people on your list you don’t like are PK and Buerhle, well I think its probably you….
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
and why should I slober over those 2 guys again?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
because I already know what Buehrle is going to do...
do you know what Marquez is going to do? Oh great prophet!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
you know what MB is going to do?
wouldn’t that make him consistent?
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
didn't i say consistently bad or mediocre?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
or are you trying to get me fired!!!??????)(*$^&$^&#*%#&%(
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, if you are dinging Buehrle for a lack Ks, check out Marquez's minor league stats
by hitlesswonder on Feb 16, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Well he is a ground ball pitcher hlw.
he pitches to contact. ;X
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
as opposed to Buehrle?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
hence the
;X
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
man this [x] is catching fire
it’s gonna be the next clearly
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
nope totally different
;X (means I put my foot in my mouth) [X] means I refuse to respond to u-gods comment.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
yet, by placing your clever x after every comment
you are responding to his comments
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 17, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really because I am not engaging in any conversation with him by putting a [X]
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 18, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions
not loved by the fans? LOL
I say he is the most loved player on the team in the last 4-5 years. Now of course this is not an official statement, we haven’t done a proper survey and market research on it.
Small sample size
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
This line is written funny:
But it has grown worse since he became a father as well as a committed husband, son and brother.
Did he just become a committed husband, son and brother? How does one gauge that?
grammar. ick.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
note also the unclear sentence about best sox pitcher since billy pierce...or ever...or..?
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Yeah, because that was the one bit about the sentence that made any sense.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
i missed that sorry
been to the dentist, locals and all that, and had a couple of pints afterwards, not thinking straight
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
hehe. That only made your explanation more fitting.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 16, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
been to the dentist?
that’s code for “killed another hooker” if i ever saw it.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 16, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
By Mark Gonzales – 10:31 a.m.
GLENDALE, Ariz. – Jose Contreras started a long toss program but the White Sox haven’t determined when he will start throwing off a mound.
Contreras is making a speedy recovery from surgery on his left Achilles tendon. He wasn’t expected to return until the All-Star break.
Left fielder Carlos Quentin said he is taking suggestions on how to curb his emotions that led to him breaking his right wrist and missing the final month of the regular season.
Pitcher Bartolo Colon declined to talk to reporters.
Second baseman Chris Getz said he was cleared to resume baseball duties last October after breaking his left hand.
Backup catcher Cole Armstrong declined an invitation to play for Canada in the World Baseball Classic.
Catcher A.J. Pierzynski was miffed that announcer Ed Farmer bailed out of an invitation to play 18 holes at the famed Augusta Country Club golf course last winter. Hitting coach Greg Walker gladly accepted Pierzynski’s invitation after Farmer declined.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/02/morning-briefings.html
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
my suggestion:
don’t hit yourself with a baseball bat.
regards
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Levine thinks Jose will be ready before the break.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
you had that wieters question on the health reports
if you didn’t like my answer, the “official” is up now.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
pretty much what you said.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
has Will talked about this at all yet?
I haven’t seen anything. but isn’t it a good est long toss date + 3 mo? i forget what the standard schedule for pitcher rehab looks like.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
this isn't an arm injury, so who knows.
but, no, 3 months after commencing a throwing program would be highly aggressive for an arm injury. try 6 or 8 months. i have this bookmarked from awhile ago re: tommy john. it’s older and every guy is different but it gives a sense for that injury.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2003-07-29-tommy-john-rehab-schedule_x.htm
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
i may have been thinking of
throwing off a mound, which Count is obvs not doing. and yeah, the fact that this is not an arm makes it all the more unclear.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
When they say a return by all star break
Is it safe to automatically assume back in a starting role? Or could that just mean he’d be ready for a spot in the bullpen?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
hard to say
that’s basically a stamina question, since you’d obviously put him in the rotation if you could. there’s no one obviously better than him outside of Buehrle and Danks. and a stamina question means having some kind of idea of what his timetable is supposed to be like. i’m sticking with Aug 1 until there’s some kind of substantive update. as he advances in his rehab, i’m sure Will Carroll will get it figured out for us.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Can we start a pool on.....
What other position players will get the looks Good / Bad…?
Fields is a given to get another article since he worked out with Baseball Guru Joey Cora
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yeah
Basically what I was asking.. is when they say return by such and such date, does that date suggest the time when his stamina will be up to normal and he’s ready to go full bore or just the point he’ll be able to pitch at a major league level for a short period of time. (I also agree if at full strength he goes in the rotation over everyone but Buehrle and Danks so his stamina is really the only issue in my mind).
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, because the return date will include
being stretched out via rehab starts in the minors. But, again, that kind of precision isn’t available right now as far as I know regarding his injury and rehab.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Jose Contreras wanted to return in nine months from his ruptured left Achilles tendon suffered last August, according to comments Contreras made through bullpen coach Juan Nieves on Monday. Contreras added that he’s three months ahead of schedule, which if you do the math, means he could be back on the mound shortly.
“I still have some work to do,” said Contreras, who is being monitored during his current long-toss program. “I didn’t set a timetable. I’m under the tutelage of (White Sox athletic trainer) Herm (Schneider).”
Contreras lost 30 pounds during the offseason by switching to a different trainer and training program. He also “ate fish every day for two months” and ate a lot of vegetables.
The weight loss goal was designed to put less pressure on Contreras’ left leg as he recovered. The right arm has never been a problem for Contreras, and manager Ozzie Guillen said that there’s nothing holding him back when Contreras gets the go-ahead to throw off the mound.
http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/contreras_update.html
twice a day!
hope what happened to Piven doesn’t happen to Count!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
dang.
if Jose is ready in April or May, this looks like a much better team.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
1-2 wins is a pretty big deal i guess.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
no you are right, we would be a much better team if
we could get anywhere near the count of 2nd half 05’/ 1st half 06’.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Just gimmie some Dayan Hot Fire news.
My president is white.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 16, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
he hits it
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
May is too aggressive
He still hasn’t “thrown” since the injury. Maybe mid June for optimism.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
what difference would it make whether it was his push or landing foot.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
is there a stress difference between generating the energy and stopping/channeling that energy?
he probably also has to test it running, too.
who’s the doctor in this house?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
cowley has found his latest non-white player to hate.
Bartolo Colon said no go when asked to speak to the media on Monday. He’s off to a great spring. 25 minutes ago
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Ortiz asking for year long ban also for 1st offense?
I was curious as to when some of these guys would get fed up and become more vocal.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2009/news/story?id=3911153
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
yeah
when is oswalt going to speak up?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
You either want to work at your profession or you don’t want to work at your profession. That is his choice.
I also think he would be leaving six good years on the table considering his style of pitching.
The Irish Bulldog Has Spoken...
He could be missing out on $60-70 Million.
My president is white.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 16, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
If he has 50 million
And he doesn’t seem to be the type to care about money, I don’t think he really cares.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 16, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I WANT PECOTA CARDS!!!!
Stop the bs and get them up BP. The books are shipped.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
cheat will get right on it.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/contact
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
I thought Cheat could do anything?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Bitches won't stand a chance....
My president is white.
BA looks like a mafia kingpin
I hope that is Q!’s bride
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
little tip: when you get a girlfriend, you sit next to her.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
thanks
I wasn’t aware of that rule
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
is danks drinking green tea?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what a pussy
gavin and his bhb’s prefer the rusty nail i think
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
The new Rat Pack...?
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
SouthsideHitmen.
My president is white.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 16, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
is that JD?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
haha is that from 'hot girls with douchbags?'
I was in the shit too!
by thecip on Feb 16, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i believe its from Danks' facebook page
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
might be. they're all doing the pouty/pursed lip thing
all they need now is the orange tan from a bottle and spikey hair
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 16, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
ROFL!!!
WRECKED!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
My friend just texted me saying Burs was on the Animal Planet right now
Anybody know what thats about?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My earlier comments
Were made because I think some fans don’t appreciate what he’s done for the Sox. I also cringe reading St. Louis Cardinal comments when any situation of his future is discussed.
Since my last sign on I see many more people defending him. Maybe I underestimated the amount of respect that he has earned from the community.
To me this issue hits close to the heart.
During recent economic distress I have taken to traveling for work. The work pays %50 more than what I usually make and has been very good for my family but, We have an 11 month old baby boy. My wife is also due again in July. I commute everyday and still get to see them but, as someone previously noted “You miss out on the quality time”. The first words, First steps, skinned knees, and what not.
Now I can only imagine, nay dream of having a bank account that compares to Mark Buehrle. Having won a world series (which is the feather in the cap that most players stick around chasing) at what point is enough….enough?
That to me is a dream come true, being young and financially stable. Enjoying my childrens’ upbringing to it’s fullest.
If I were in his situation I have little doubt that this scenario (retirement) would play in the back of my mind. So people crapping on his mentioning this to a reporter at spring training is disheartening.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
i dunno eldiablo. i think maybe you should suck it up a little.
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
agreed.....
I know that I have a lot of years left working but, when i’m at home with my son, I can think of nothing spending time with him.
That’s why i’ve said this issue hits close to home. And I know that working hard to get my family ahead is what’s best.
But i can still dream about it.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
correction
i can think of nothing but spending time with him
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I'm not even close to Chicago tough but,
I try to make up for it with The Fire and The Passion.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
definitely not how they roll in the 815
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
I came out of the 815
Guessing from the number of single pregnant girls that were in my high school and others in the area, quality time with the kids is not very high on the fathers’ priority lists.
rofl!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 16, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
really OT, but oh well
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=12050587&ch=4226713&src=news
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
a quick lesson in what to believe when you read a quote in the media or elsewhere.
"Colon was like 360 pounds when he won the Cy Young. He’s not a model. When you’re a model you have to look good. He’s not a jockey. Colon is always going to be like that.’’
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/02/spring_camp_day_2.html
“He weighed 350 pounds when he won a Cy Young Award. He’s not a model. He’s not a jockey. He’s actually in better shape than I expected.”
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/day_2_in_glendale.html
who got it right? who was truncating? who was dropping sentences?
White Sox Outsider 2009 is the greatest book about the White Sox, published in 2009, and written by a guy who likes hanging around statues. Ever.
Ozzie is a bitch to transcribe.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
true. but i don't see this just happening with ozzie or other non-native english speakers.
this is something that seriously bothers me – how is it that reporters (i seem to notice this more in sports journalism but, then, i may not pay as much attention in other areas) can get away with just dropping sentences or words from a quote or splicing together two quotes without letting the reader know they’re doing it? is this an acceptable practice in journalism? doing something like that in my work would result in serious ramifications. and i see it all the time when i read stories from different journalists – often resulting in different meanings.
I concur...
I get the impression that reporters often intentionally change the words in a quote from those actually spoken for reasons of clarity or brevity. Certainly, the clarity thing happens all the time with quotes from press conferences given by people in the executive branch of the US government. I find it annoying. I’d rather read what was said.
I realize that most reporters do not make a great wage and that outside influences can present real hurdles in what gets written. But I would think accuracy really should be the prime consideration in reporting. Just another sign of the decline of the Republic…
by hitlesswonder on Feb 16, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Quotes are tricky.
If you’re in the mood for a longer explanation, I can take some time tonight.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
traditionally its not on a limitless blog
you have to shorten things up to fit it on the page in newsprint.
That's a big reason
A majority of quotes, sports or not, aren’t verbatim in the first place, when cleaning up verbal tics like “y’know” and “I mean,” or things like stopping midsentence and starting a different thought. Ozzie does that a lot. And if everything is included, it’s a waste of time and space.
(Most quotes, at least in daily sports stories, aren’t newsworthy to begin with. Sometimes, it’s just a way to reassure the reader that said reporter was definitely where the dateline says he/she was. The writing around the quotes is far more compelling.)
Generally, ellipses are preferred, or starting a new graf. But with somebody like Ozzie, editors might think ellipses for every brief diversion/repetition could be distracting (he’s not a model, he’s not a jockey is the exact same point). It’s about communicating what Ozzie said in the tightest way possible. Both Merkin and Cowley say the same thing. I would’ve put ellipses, but I don’t have editors/space considerations.
Now, in a situation where there’s heat or controversy, condensing quotes is trouble. If Ozzie were to say he saw Nick Swisher taking steroids and that’s why he’s off the team, I think you would see every quote look just about the same, aside from interpreting an isolated preposition differently, etc.).
But you might see it more in sports because most quotes are bland and repetitive. Other areas may not have as many opportunities for canned quotes.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
i guess i was getting at why they don't use ellipses.
sure, i have no problem with cleaning up some of the “throw-away” filler lines that people use in conversation. i just would like to know when they’re dropping stuff out. part of it may be that there would be a lot of ellipses. but that would be a sign (to me at least) that there’s some heavy editing occurring.
and i think you’re right that cowley and merkin sort of get to the same thing. however, i think a reader may draw different conclusions about what is being said based upon one closing the quote with “colon is always going to be like that” as opposed to “he’s in better shape than what i expected.” it seems to me that the third take below (from merkin) actually gets to what ozzie actually said.
Well, there's also the four-letter word
Blog. No editors, and they’re both just churning out copy with reckless abandon.
That’s what’s going to be interesting (and terrifying) as media outlets continue to “streamline.” Copy desks might be getting hit the hardest. Blog entries don’t go through a copy desk, and the less controversial blogs (sports, arts/entertainment, life) don’t go past an editor at all.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
that's true as well.
(but i’m not sure it matters, if it ever did – not like the suntimes is going to have two reporters listening to a guy to get a quote. and i think most people our age treat blogs and “print” as the same, whether that’s appropriate or not.) like i said, i’ve seen the same thing in print – and mentioned it on here before when people attempt to parse quotes. this was just a convenient example considering three guys took the same quote and got three slightly different things.
here's a third take
“Colon was like 350 pounds when he won the Cy Young (in 2005). He’s not a model. He’s not a jockey. Colon is always going to be like that, but he’s in better shape than what I thought,”
http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/news_notes_and_quotes.html
Colon would look funny dressed up as a jockey.
Photoshop anyone?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 17, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
Gonzalez has a Quentin story...
up on the Trib website (I like that the story is dated tomorrow — it’s like looking into the future), but for some reason Quentin’s quotes do not appear in red.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-17-sox-quentin-chicagofeb17,0,1293759.story
spoken like the stud that he is
If any player surprises himself with his success, I don’t think he’s going to be successful for very long.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
“I really just enjoy hitting, in general,” Quentin, when asked if he was anxious to get back into action after last year’s rough finish.
Carlos Quentin continues to use a hyperbaric chamber as he takes those final steps back on the field after last September’s wrist injury. Quentin believes the chamber and the hyperbaric theories helped him recover.
http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/news_notes_and_quotes.html
is your sig a first take
Q has a sister, he’s not our only hope
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
man i was so money with that "flailing" quip
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
this is good
all we had was freakin’ lester munson and that dude with the perm from cnnsi before CC
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 16, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
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