The Hardball Times seems to like us
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 12:03 PM CST
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So my copy of The Hardball Times Season Preview 2009 finally came today and after spending fifteen minutes trying to figure out how to get to the post office (downtown Champaign makes no sense), I was kind of surprised. One, the thing is bigger than expected. It's like if a magazine and a phone book had a kid. Also, they actually seem to like the White Sox. They predict us to take second or third, while contending the whole season. They even acknowledge that we could surprise people and win the division again (in your face BP).
Some interesting bits:
- Mark Buehrle has a 5.2% chance at 300 wins. Only Pettite, Webb, Sabathia, Zambrano, Halladay, Johnson, and Oswalt have higher percentages.
- Only two Sox players even show up in the high injury risk category (Thome and Dotel), and they only show up in the honorable mentions department.
- Paulie and Jermaine both have 9.1% shots at 500 homers
- Our highest-valued fantasy players project to be Jenks for pitchers and Dye for hitters
If anyone wants to know anymore from the book, ask and I'd be happy to post it. And on a nice little end-note, part of each team's write-up includes THT's favorite blog(s). The favorite ChiSox blogs happen to be South Side Sox and Sox Machine. Congrats Cheat and Jim, here's hoping it brings more traffic.
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Who do they pick 1st?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Feb 19, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
depends on which writer
no other writer even mentions us, the KC one says they make a run at .500, the CLE writer says they tread water at .500, the DET writer picks CLE, and the MIN writer says they win 86 games but is unsure if that is good enough
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"favorite ChiSox blogs happen to be South Side Sox and Sox Machine"
I’ll buy the book if only for their excellent taste in blogs.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Jim and Cheat!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or Cheat and Jim.
(What is this “Sox Machine” site people keep mentioning?)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think its an inside joke
like liz or something
by e-gus on Feb 19, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its amazing how far an inside joke can get
There was an incident a few years ago
The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Jbasic89 on Feb 19, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
liz's ex?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've generally found this book to be rubbish.
it’s geared towards fantasy players and others (BP, most notably) do a far better job. and the writers they have for each of the teams are generally of a second or third tier quality. unless you’re a completionist in your reading, i’d say pass on it.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
where were you a month ago when i ordered it?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where was your fanpost asking about it?
i haven’t read this year’s. maybe it’s better. who is the white sox writer this year?
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Pindelski
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You were not competing for air time then.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the "grating / divisive commentary that Cheat was referring to.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We can't (somewhat) respectfully disagree?
I like contrary opinions that are well thought out and based on something other than gut reaction.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta have a sense of humor, WU.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This
is the "grating / divisive commentary that Cheat was referring to.
You are on probation.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
flagged
it’s no longer re-post day
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 19, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
flagged
at Bally’s age, EVERYTHING is a repost.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in a ()
(com)post heap.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
will carroll on contreras
larry (chicago): Will, thanks for the chat. What are your thoughts on Jose Contreras? Seems like he’s ahead of the (admittedly conservative) previously scheduled return. Will he be back on the mound sometime in April?
Will Carroll: Yeah, I think he should be back and a solid contender for the back of the Sox rotation. Achilles repairs are pretty “easy” and predictable and seldom have problems after the surgical fix. We don’t see a lot of them in baseball, but the structure is what it is.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn, you could've posted that question before i made that silly bet with ballyb
but i’ll take the optimistic projection $20 lighter, thanks for posting..
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 19, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps we need an "ask larry" fanpost
so people quit making financial mistakes. rough economic times and all.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My shingle is out. And I only charge $200/hr.
Far less expensive than larry, though he provides much greater value re: baseball publication analysis.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larry charges over $200/hr. to be a blog editor/writer/criticizer?
Surely he’s not doing any “lawyering” these days.
"No one is sure what Colon has left in his 5-foot-11-inch, 250-plus-pound body." - Chicago Tribune 1/15/09
by tailgater on Feb 19, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this re. Jose on 12/12.
1st MLB start – June 1 – no later.
Book it.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the responses,
he ain’t going to be starting.
at least not that early. not going to be able to get his endurance up that quickly, even in the rosiest of scenarios.
by larry on Dec 12, 2008 9:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that certainly would make the rotation look better
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And more colorful.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And more prideful
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ooooh that too.
Imagine Contreras on the mound, Lexi at SS, and Viciedo at 1b/3b wherever the hell….
The pride would be visibly glowing above the infield.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe if that were the case
the pride would be visible from low earth orbit.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that is very good news
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Feb 19, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone hear anything new about Crede/Twins rumors? Was that ever laid to rest?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Written yesterday on the Startribune.com:
Heard last night that the Twins and Joe Crede are at an impasse. Sounds like the Twins are sticking to their guns and want Crede to lower his price.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
moar:
Special assistant Ron Schueler, who attended Crede’s workout last week, said the free-agent third baseman looked pretty agile while taking ground balls and his back appeared to hold up fine in the cage. Schueler noted that Crede appeared stronger in the upper body.
Of course, nobody got to see Crede the following day to gauge his ability to recover. That would’ve been more enlightening than anything, but Scott Boras and associates made it a one-day show.
I don’t sense anything is imminent with Crede. But FWIW, he is thought to prefer playing in San Francisco because Minnesota’s artificial turf would be harder on his back.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he better prefer playing in sanfran, I don't feel like throwing up after seeing him in twins uniform
by LT_sox_fan on Feb 19, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 19, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you seared your fingers doing that,
because I suffered temporary blindness looking at it.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just testing, but I hid this
in the interest of saving numerous other pairs of eyes.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It. WORKS.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
chairman WU?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laying in the weeds...
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That makes me hurt every time I see it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the font on Hardball Times
it hurts my eyes when I read it, but the writers they have are good in that they know how to string a sentence together. The stat lookup stuff is not good though, I use fangraphs now to look up a player and then pretend I know what it all means.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if any of the current crop of stats guys are in it, that speaks well of it.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here's the thing.
why read chris neault if you read will carroll? why read derek carty if you read john sickels or kevin goldstein? do i really want to read a season preview of a team from a bunch of random bloggers who i have never heard of?
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Given your new front page status...
isn’t this a bit of the random-blogger pot calling the random-blogger kettle black?
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't buy content from any site that lets any guy off the street become a contributing editor. :)
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there you go.
we’re talking about buying a book. there’s all sorts of shit i’ll read if it’s free on the internet. if the HBT season preview was free, i’d read parts of it because there is some interesting content. but even with all the money i can waste, this book is about 90% redundant/not as good as other content, both free or that i already buy.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although if there's a market for random-blogger commentary
maybe Cheat should get on the bandwagon.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Feb 19, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he complimented you.
by saying the HBT isn’t as good as your (for example) stuff he reads for free.
That’s how I read it!
;-)
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don't ask him to review your book.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
far more likely to pay for something about the team i follow
as opposed to something that largely consists of previews for teams i don’t. i imagine your audience is not pittsburgh pirates fans.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
could be, it's not like they have a team worth following
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 19, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know a thing about the book
But I’ve read THT regularly for going on 2 years and the quality of the commentary is high, particularly if we’re talking Kalk, Walsh, Wyers, Carty or even…Michaels. I don’t know where the overlap between Carty’s book stuff and Goldstein/Sickels is, but his normal output is very good. if you don’t know who’s doing the writing, then no, i doubt it’s a good idea to buy it sight unseen. in general, i’ve got a high opinion of THT. lower now due to my personal adherence to the Groucho Marx Corollary. which is to say:
i’m talking with Carty about doing an article or two. he seems like a cool dude.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the team previews, which are the bulk of the book, are done by people who write blogs about the respective team. not the people who regularly write at the website.
don’t think of the annual or the website when you’re talking about this book. totally, totally different.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there are projections though, no?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you want their projections, pay the $10 on their site and get it in electronic form.
as i said, there are better books for projections.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is the Stanford scandal big news in the provinces?
our media are full of it, with his links to cricket and all that.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the what?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's that english spelling again.
they do things differently sometimes.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the provinces
I like to keep a historical perspective
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyway - Stanford, is it big news?
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Less so than Madoff, but then he raised the bar kind of high...
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Although Madoff didn't have a fugitive hunt or ties to drug cartels
So this one has more drama in some ways.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Feb 19, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he is a Knight of the British Empire
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You count Antigua in the Empire?
Didn’t know times were so tough over there.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's one of our many ex colonies
we have thousands
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so does WU (Ex colonies)
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
touche.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Enemies all over the world since the dawn of Man.
England: Pissing off the world one century at a time.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who hates the English now?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
go to Ireland
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, though there is some "fraud fatigue" as far as I can tell.
No one trusts anyone right now, anyway.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Took my CE this morning...
You’ll never guess which module was first and longest:
Ethics!!!!
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For you I bet it seemed like forever.
I thought you got grandfathered on that stuff? For what license?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
7
every 3 years.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ich auch.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/2/19/764296/we-have-a-graphs-contest-w
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
those btbs guys
man they are so fucking funny
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny is that this is from a reader, not any of us.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Feb 19, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
You guys are as dry as the Sahara.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or as wet as WU's interstitial fluid
Or something……..
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more GIDP
http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/1127
paulie made it this time!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did they give the division to the Indians?
I’m going to order that book when I get home
by 815Sox on Feb 19, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
larry says don't bother.
I suspect he’s right about this one.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even if it is
Its only like what.. 20 bucks? I’ve wasted far larger amounts of money.. a few years ago I’d wake up and not remember how
by 815Sox on Feb 19, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's only so-so
i’m not upset i got it, but there are probably better books out there. all this did was push back when i can buy jim’s and carl’s books
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as a fyi, so there's no duplication of effort, i'm planning to do a review of jim's book - he has a radical reinterpretation of masset theory which will require a detailed discussion.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's all yours
i like this btw
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In this economy you need to save money whenver you can...
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Feb 20, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Big Crush takes BP
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hype but nice hype
Viciedo hits first BP homer … deep and then some
Viciedo hits one to center, three to right-center, one was deep, taking a bounce to the fence.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Feb 19, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the cuban baby ruth
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems impressed with the Sox camp / organization / players at least.
I mean he’s not going to say he dislikes it, but did say it’s different then the Braves camp.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Braves camp is in Disney World.
I bet it’s different.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was referring to the work ethic of guys, and that veterans showed up early and being impressed by it, and that apparently being different than the Braves camp.
by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The vets bring their kids to Disney.
No time for practice. Plus, it’s hard to take practice seriously when you have the Seven Dwarves staring at you.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge likes to talk about
How hard he is going to work
by 815Sox on Feb 19, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stuck in white plains
did i miss anything outside of larry’s front page status?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 19, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Christopher Michaels was traded for Tim Thomas
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
when does CM's contract expire?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 19, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's 2010 friendly
Bring on Bronnie!
by Crede's Crew on Feb 19, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats all i needed to know
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 19, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Marte now available! Our 3B conundrum is solved!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/19/rays.indians.ap/index.html
He’s more diapponting than BA – he’s burned two teams’ (BoSux/Injuns) dreams.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't really with the Sawks
It was like Chris Carter’s 6 day stay w/ the D’backs
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
The Cheat on Facebook
by The Cheat on Feb 19, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go hang by your thumbs for 6 days.
It’s a long time.
;)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2 links from CC
1 is a yahoo sports fantasy article that is basically just a summary of our offseason:
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Hot-Stove-Helper-White-Sox-get-younger-much-la;_ylt=AvEHq9DkpPge6Wu4bmC0xfC5bZ8u?urn=fantasy,142525
2 is a link to eminem’s triumphant comeback…Ok, it’s a little cheesy, but take a listen and tell me it’s not solid…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ymNwsg2T2w&feature=related
by Crede's Crew on Feb 19, 2009 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok, i heard that today and it straight up pissed me off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKG-aK2RXhY
yeah, great beat from a few years back
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Feb 19, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh
I like Aesop…never heard that one though.
Not too uncommon to ripoff beats though, ya know?
by Crede's Crew on Feb 19, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SI likes the Sox.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/17/alcentral.spring/index.html?eref=T1
Best quote from the quoted scout: Lillibridge is a good defender, but he can’t hit me. …
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
scout must have a breaking ball
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by The Cheat on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
clay davenport on viciedo
When I get a reason to believe that he’ll play in the majors this year.
Here’s what I see. Without adjusting for the difficulty of the league, Viciedo hit for a .271 eqa in Cuba. Alexei Ramirez hit .316 there, and Kendry Morales hit .319; when Ramirez came to the US, he hit .270, and Morales has a career average of .235. So Viciedo starts ~45 points behind them, figures to drop at least 50 based on the way past players have made the Cuba to US transition, and so even with a big bonus for his age I’m hard-pressed to project him above a .240 eqa for this season. That leaves him a good 30 points behind what I expect from Fields, 20 behind Wilson Betemit, and probably still behind Jayson freakin’ Nix, who has the decency to be a much better fielder at a tougher position. From the data we have on hand right now, there is no way this guy should be in the majors in 2009.
He’s 20. There’s no rush.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'll take a .240 EqA from a 20 year old.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also: do you know what the run converter for EqA is?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...i like what clay does a lot
but i get the feeling that he’s prone to excess complexity. have you read his essay in the back of BP2009? maybe this is a subjective thing, but I always end up understanding more about the game when I pick apart what Tango presents. it’s sometimes a little difficult, but it’s almost always worth it. Clay seems to be more difficult with less payoff.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alexei Ramirez did not hit .270
He hit .290
I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell
by chisox on Feb 19, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nor can you read.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 20, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EXCLUSIVE: Video of WU at the office
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=117441
1:06
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boy, he's going to have a hard time running that marathon.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Feb 19, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear I picture bally looking just like that.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
big jim
the Phillies still owe White Sox designated hitter Jim Thome $3 million.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090219&content_id=3850960&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 6:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that amount would have been the buyout, iirc, if his option didn't vest.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fial.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Feb 19, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not saying philly doesn't owe that this year. just saying that squares with the buyout amount.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, make me look like a bigger dick than i already do.
asshole
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Feb 19, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fascism on the rise...
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Mr. Michaels
When will the Fields projection be up, dont know if this has been mentioned.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Feb 19, 2009 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll put it up before I head to bed tonight
It’s done… 252/322/462
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by The Cheat on Feb 19, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larry looks at you with one eye
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I find that hard to believe.
I would sell that until bally’s fucking face caved in.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
High.
Avg. and OBP. SLG looks OK.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting. a lot of projection systems would say the exact opposite - avg and obp is ok, slg too high.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Feb 19, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
knock 10 points of Avg and OBP
and that’s my prediction, iirc.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you
sell something til your fucking face caved in that was too low?
"I am not going out like SSH. "
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by ballyb on Feb 19, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
buying a low projection isn't good either.
it means you suck at predicting.
by larry on Feb 19, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Bulls trades
Haven’t read everything diligently the last few days, so I don’t know if it’s been discussed, but is there a consensus on here?
I like the moves. I think we gave up basically no usable parts (I do think Hughes can ball, and is a nice guy, but didn’t fit in on this team w/ all the guards) and got some decent ones in return, along w/ some 2010 friendly guys. Salmons is nice insurance in case Gordon walks. To top it off, supposedly the Bulls are Bosh’s favorite choice for 2010. Could be something good in a few years.
by Crede's Crew on Feb 19, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it looks pretty good to me
i kind of think Amare was a better bet, but I’m no expert. at least i see a consistent and well thought out philosophy. it’s been pretty random for a while.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Feb 19, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerr was never moving Amare
Freeing space for Bosh in 2010 and getting serviceable parts (Miller’s a great fit in the frontcourt) earns Paxson a bit of a reprieve for the hash he’s made of the team lately. If/when Jerome James is forced into retirement by the league and if Hinrich can be moved in the offseason, this’ll have been a very nice salvage job.
by Sox-35th on Feb 20, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why move Hinrich?
just curious
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is getting paid way too much to do too little
VDN is playing him too many minutes — and as documented elsewhere (BAB) — VDN is not very capable of coaching/managing lineups, especially considering the guard glut. Hinrich plays too much for what he brings to the table at the expense of Rose/Gordon. Add to the fact, he isn’t particularly good.
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 23, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerr figured out over the weekend
That he could probably get more than just Tyrus Thomas and an expiring contract for a top 25 player in the league, however whiny or lazy he might be.
Naturally, Amare is now out for the regular season with a detached retina. Steve Kerr has had a miserable past 2 years.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 20, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i am totally on board
was so glad to see noc go with that salary especially in return for two productive players who are 2010 friendly as CC articulated
getting rid of sefo was important because according to hollinger, salmons is a whiny discontent if he isn’t playing (should be interesting to see the bg7/salmons dynamic play out), plus pax does a decent job with late first/second round picks
amare wasn’t really an option, they seemingly took him off the table once gentry took the job
not to mention we can make a run in 2010 for whomever now
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
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