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Who's on Catcher?

It’s Sunday and, for White Sox fans, that conjures up images of the "Sunday Lineup", in which Ozzie empties his bench and shuffles his lineup. A usual cornerstone of such lineups is AJ Pierzynski getting a deserved day off and the backup catcher getting the start. 

Finding a suitable backup for AJ has long been a bit of a mess. Most recently, Kenny Williams signed Toby Hall to a two-year deal prior to the 2007 season. The idea was good – Hall is a righty and, while not a defensive maven, his offense against lefties should have been an ideal complement to AJ. Unfortunately, late in 2007 Spring Training, Hall suffered a labrum tear and separation in his throwing shoulder and the theory never translated into reality.

This year, there’s no clear front-runner for the role of backup catcher. Kenny has resisted the temptation to bring in a veteran such as Paul Lo Duca and instead appears to be satisfied to let a mix of retreads and youngsters fight it out.

And Ozzie has echoed this sentiment:

So, it looks as if the reserve role will be played by Chris Stewart, Donny Lucy or Corky Miller. Cole Armstrong is a left-handed hitter, so he probably won't back up Pierzynski, while Guillen admitted that top catching prospect Tyler Flowers would become the team's starter if something happened to Pierzynski.

While it’s nice to know that somebody must be reading Baseball Prospectus’ PECOTA when determining that Flowers should be the starter if AJ goes down, it’s hard to see a catcher being handed a starting major league job who can’t really catch that well and who hasn’t done anything above high A ball. Be that as it may, that assertion still doesn’t solve who will be the backup. So let’s go through the six (less than inspiring) in camp candidates after the jump, starting with the man already on the 40 man roster and then moving on to the non-roster invitees.

Star-divide

Cole Armstrong: This 25 year old was acquired prior to the 2006 season via the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft. He profiles as a backup in the majors – so problem solved, right? Not quite. As Merkin notes above, while like all catchers Armstrong throws righthanded, he bats lefty and thus is ostensibly less than suitable as a backup to the lefthanded AJ. However, as Sox Machine pointed out to me in a recent conversation, AJ has actually hit better against lefties than righties the past two seasons, so (assuming that's trend) having the two of them on the same team isn't so ridiculous. He’s a good defender and he’s got a bit of pop but he doesn’t hit for average and doesn’t get on base. His PECOTA projection for 2009 is .193/.238/.299.

Tyler Flowers: This 23 year old was acquired in the offseason via the Javier Vazquez trade. Both Kenny and Ozzie say he’ll be the starter if AJ gets hurt – so, again, problem solved, right? Well, not quite. While he’s a catcher, he’s really not that good at it. A large part of that shortcoming is that he played sparingly at the position in 2006 and 2007 due to injury. His bat, however, is legit - great power and excellent plate discipline. While this righty's PECOTA projection of .247/.340/.410 actually is superior to AJ’s, he’s never played above A ball and needs serious work at catcher. Having him play infrequently as a backup would stunt his defensive growth.

Chris Stewart: Some fans may remember this guy as he was drafted by the White Sox and made his major league debut for them in 2006 before being traded to Texas. He had a couple cups of coffee for the Rangers and Yankees the past two seasons but the 27 year old righty is now back as a non-roster invitee. He’s a plus defender with an excellent arm. However, he can’t hit worth a lick. His PECOTA projection is .219/.279/.313. A leading candidate.

Donny Lucy: Some fans may also remember Donny as he had a cup of coffee with the team in September 2007. His age 25 season, however, ended early in Charlotte due to a severe knee injury. This 2004 second round pick does have a good glove and arm and he actually ran quite well, too, before his injury. But his bat is simply not that good (no 2009 PECOTA projection available). He was outrighted off the 40 man roster after the 2008 season – and no team bothered to pick him up. That should tell you something. Is discussed as being in the mix but is a huge question mark coming off injury.

Corky Miller: What to say about this guy. First, his name is Corky. I mean, seriously? Second, he’s 33 and his career line is .176/.264/.290 in sporadic play over the last 8 seasons. He’s a good defensive catcher (sense a pattern?) but that line is pretty ugly – and we don’t need PECOTA to tell us what to expect. Still, a leading candidate.

Francisco Hernandez: Signed by the Sox out of the Dominican in 2002, this switch hitter is a solid defender with a good arm but his offensive skills have never been more than just adequate. Having never played above A ball, he's not a serious candidate and, at 23, it’s now or never for him to produce in the minors. And, unfortunately for him, Flowers now is likely to be taking playing time from him at Birmingham further making that never more probable.

My take is that this tallest midget contest is wide open – and I wouldn’t rule out other candidates appearing as rosters are trimmed – but Chris Stewart, due to his defensive prowess and familiarity with some of the pitchers and organization, is the current leader. Since the candidates are largely similar, it's likely that both spring training performance and rapport with the pitchers and coaching staff will be weighed heavily.

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Way to put your new title to use larry.

Best article I read on here in a while. I say go with Stewart…though it would be interesting to see Hernandez

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Feb 22, 2009 9:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i agree with the jean claude van kenwo

i’m not knowledgeable of the names mentioned but i know they are tossed around quite a bit on the threads. i should be reading your minor league fanposts, but this is a nice concise summary. who are some of the potential stragglers (that you would like to see) cut from other rosters?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 22, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

there are lots of guys that could be better than the above.

but, let’s be frank – most teams are in a similar position to the white sox. backup catcher is often a black hole. while there “could” be someone out there who ends up being better, we’re probably stuck with the above or the basic equivalent. just from reading the toby hall article i posted on the last thread, i’m reminded that lou palmisano is an interesting guy. rule 5 pick of the astros (via baltimore) from milwaukee who may not stick. sort of like lucy, had a bad knee injury last season which required surgery and missed most of the season but, sort of like armstrong, had a good campaign in the AFL. furthermore, sort of like all the above, he’s a good defender. he’s generally gotten on base at a decent clip, too.

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=10953

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right i forgot to add

that its somewhat of luxury to have an above replacement level back-up at that position. i’ll look that guy up, thanks.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 22, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good work, sir. This new responsibility fits you like a glove.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

he has stepped his game up

but the cheat might have created a monster

by e-gus on Feb 22, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We're slightly above average! FoxSports has us #13

in preseason ranking.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/powerRankings

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2009 10:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

it is not repost day wu

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 22, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Where was this posted?

Sorry if redundant.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

boosh

http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/2/18/762307/white-sox-spring-training#12303480

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 22, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

gavin
‘’Looking back, it was an ugly cycle,’’ Floyd said of his days with the Phillies. ‘’Losing confidence. Starting to question mechanics, parts of the game, and then it snowballs. It goes from losing confidence to not throwing well, then to trying to do too much. Then you’re working on things people want you to do, everyone is telling you something different. It’s too much to figure out.

‘’Coop and the White Sox let me focus on a couple of things that were very simple, and I was able to do that and let things come naturally. Even now, I feel more natural than even last year.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1442353,CST-SPT-sox22.article

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yesssssss

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just got done watching Blue Velvet

I was uncomfortably laughing through every Hopper scene.

by CatBrains on Feb 22, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1809672

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 22, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dean Stockwell was also fantastic...

I got a feeling this movie is gonna be stuck in my head for a while

by CatBrains on Feb 22, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

seeing blue velvet was the first time i saw dean stockwell outside of quantum leap

the second time was married to the mob…i don’t know if there was a third

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 22, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You my friend, should check out Battlestar Galactica

Though I am not sold on this last season just yet.

by CatBrains on Feb 22, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So far this season is pretty intense.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Feb 22, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 22, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MOMMY! (Inhale.) MOMMY! (Inhale.)

Hysterical and classic.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

coo-ooo-ooo-ooo-ooo-per!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he was on top of the world.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

back in '91.

so i had to wiki mark curry..he was in a medically induced coma after suffering trauma burns from an exploding water heater. considered suicide because of the pain but mr cosby and sinbad talked him out of it. i wonder what dave chapelle would say to him in trying times. shared his story on montel…

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 22, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am with beyond the box score on this one

I don’t see Ramirez dazzling at shortstop but, everything that i have heard out of camp is that he’s phenomenal. David Shuyster from the score was throwing out the “special” tag.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Feb 22, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really interested to see if Ramirez can go from 2B dud to SS stud(or regular).

That would throw a knife in what most defense-aware, self-proclaimed sabermetricians believe. Of course, many of them would attribute it to lack of/faulty data.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the guys at BTB keep forgetting about what Dave Cameron warned about with UZR

frankly, fangraphs is guilty of the same with their yearly total WAR values. if we know that it takes 3 seasons for UZR scores to stabilize, yearly scores need to be either regressed or averaged.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that wasn't their problem this time though

this was just a spot of the sabersharts.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you referring to RJ's article? Because while we're probably not careful enough to consistently give error bar warnings, RJ did this time:
Alexei Ramirez is moving to short. With the limited defensive data we have, it doesn’t suggest this will end well. It’s possible that Ramirez is better than we think he was last year, or that he simply had a down season, but we’ll see. It’s hard to read too far into one year of defensive data.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 22, 2009 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sky, i know you're a real tough guy on the interwebs

but colin is six foot two and reported to blog camp twenty-five pounds lighter and having added thirty-seven pounds of muscle. he’s in the best shape of his life – which is saying something for a former MMA fighter.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Three Incredibly Useful Bits Of Nontrivia And Or Critical Analysis

Alexei Ramirez is going to play shortstop this year according to someone. He may have been bad at second base last year, but we don’t really know. Ask someone who writes a blog that doesn’t imply they intend to go beyond a newspaper standard of reporting.

Gordon Beckham played a handful of games at some level of the minors. His performance in that environment indicated that he was 3 runs above average elsewhere. Also, he’s got a new swing. He told me so himself.

Tyler Flowers doesn’t play for the White Sox and neither does Javier Vazquez. He got some wRAA.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

did you click the link?

who is your audience if that’s what you’re posting? someone who knows who Gordon Beckham is, knows what wRAA is, but doesn’t know how good he is? not to mention these aren’t the author’s calculations or assertions. the title of the post begins “three facts…” but the author displays no further intent to actually inform the reader. so it’s either high irony or just complete trash.

i might get lost in my trains of numbers at times, but ultimately i’ve picked an audience and an approach to them. if you don’t have that baseline, how do you decide what to write? and there’s the bottom line: a blog is a means for communication, not masturbation.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

blog war!

i guess we’ll just have to blog it out with BTB.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bitching for a while in a comment thread is probably going to be the extent of it

they’re still in my google reader. this three facts shit has sucked every time i’ve clicked one.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

AJ isn’t that great, is he? And besides, Buehrle’s liable to get more CSs with his pickoff move than the rest of our pitchers and catchers combined, as it is.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

talking about Sky Wankman again?

my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker

by hoodlight on Feb 22, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not this time, actually.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

trying to make a joke

last word of your post and all that

my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker

by hoodlight on Feb 22, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, i slipped into serious business mode for a sec.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They write about whatever they feel like, using whatever means of analysis they like.

It’s up to you to decide whether this is a good or a bad thing. This isn’t journalism, so if someone thinks they’re qualified enough to shoot off their skewed thoughts and observations, who are we to say they shouldn’t?

I guess this SB Nation stuff has a little prestige behind it, but the fact of the matter is that we don’t pay for any of this shit.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and?

is that supposed to contradict something i wrote? what did i miss?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

these guys are just posting this stuff to see if anyone is paying attention
Three Facts: Cleveland Indians
 by R.J. Anderson on Feb 22, 2009 8:12 PM CST 0 comments

14 players collected at least 100 plate appearances for the Indians in 2008. 13 had DNA altering than that of Grady Sizemore. Combined, they accounted for 18.2 wins. Sizemore totaled for 6.8 wins himself.

Grady Sizemore inhales angels and glows pre-game.

Sizemore actually wasn’t the most valuable player for the Indians in 2008,, instead that honor goes to Cliff Lee. Shocking, I know.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/2/22/768157/three-facts-cleveland-indi

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

are those your words?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 22, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I see

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 22, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Beltin' Bill Melton: White Sox Spring Training: The Battle at Third Base

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nKmfPX2GtM

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 22, 2009 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

according to mitch robinson we drafted Dayan Viciedo

I love reporters….

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Feb 22, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone has ever seen the movie Wet Hot American Summer

The character Andy (played by Paul Rudd) was based partially on Mitch Robinson, who went to school with the movie’s director.

by CatBrains on Feb 22, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks again Larry

I’m really enjoying your articles

by 815Sox on Feb 22, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Just stop

being so fucking divisive.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Feb 22, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

full pitching schedule
Wed at LAA

Richard, Marquez, Thornton, Williams, Russell, Link, Harrell, Salmon, Wassermann

Thu at Colo

Floyd, Carrasco, Egbert, Broadway, Nunez, German

Fri at Ari

Danks, Salmon, Russell, MacDougal, Van Ben, Santeliz

Fri vs. LAD (SS)

Poreda, Linebrink, Jenks, Link, Harrell, Wassermann

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/sunday_notes.html

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

More back patting....

Good read Larry—-thanks.

by stanchar on Feb 22, 2009 2:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

wow

I was in the shit too!

by thecip on Feb 22, 2009 2:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

mercy.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Feb 22, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he looks hungry.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

JR's plan to help the Chicago economy

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Feb 22, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I can almost

feel that second chin.

by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell your children not to accept candy from this man..!

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Feb 22, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

New nickname: Catfish.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 23, 2009 7:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You read through

this thread at The Book yet? Probably a must if you’re going to cite PECOTA.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

more whining about BP?

spare me. read the same thing every year. if you or they are suggesting that line is aggressive for flowers, i might remind them of what he did in the AFL. he’s a legit bat. and even if you want to ratchet down the projection quite a bit, he’d still be pegged to outproduce AJ at the plate. and that shouldn’t exactly be a surprise.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

CHONE has AJ's bat a full win better.

and there’s like a 15-20 run difference between PECOTA and CHONE on Flowers. do you mean actually outproduce if given the major league job this year? or just “hit a better equivalent average in AA than AJ hits in MLB”.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you mean there's debate about how to do major league projections for players with no major league experience?

i’m shocked, colin. i’m literally on the floor of my condo i’m so flabbergasted. yes, i think flowers would produce better offense in the majors than AJ. of course, he would give back all that and quite a bit more with passed balls and a constant green light on the basepaths.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

to veer completely off course

have you seen any video for flowers? was there a fanpost up at sickel’s blog, or am i imagining it?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i am also on the floor, but that's because i drank enough in the last 3 days to kill most people.

but i also find your revelation to be startling.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what is a revelation to you might not be startling to me.

for instance, when you found out santa didn’t exist that was a revelation to you but i already knew that shit. in fact, i found it startling that you didn’t realize santa was fake until you were 13.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how do i not get any credit here? that post was golden.

or at least pretty good.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 22, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

awwww, does somebody need a pat on the back?

you must be mistaking SSS for the genital warts support site you’ve been frequenting the last two months.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ugh. on reading myself again.

“probably a must” = bullshit. it’s your article, mate. it was more like “hey have you seen this” plus some lameness.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, i've seen it. the usual "omg, there are some things in PECOTA that aren't quite right - why can't these fuckups get things perfect the first time? it's only, like, reams and reams of data"

mixed with the debate about how to do projections. they’ve got different methodologies. considering this area, it’s not surprising to find a wide range of opinion.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it ain't easy being green.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GLENDALE, Ariz. – Ozzie Guillen wanted to make a correction.
The White Sox manager was adamant in pointing out that in letting Joe Crede walk into free agency after the 2008 season, and now into the open arms of their rivals from the Twin Cities, it wasn’t done because the South Siders were going younger.
"We no go younger at third base,‘’ Guillen insisted Sunday. "We offer Joe Crede a three-year deal, a four-year deal, a couple of years ago. This would be the second or third year in his contract if he signed with us. We didn’t go younger, we went good.
"I think when you are younger, then we have [catcher Tyler] Flowers catching, [Paul] Konerko DH-ing, the Cuban kid [Dayan Viciedo] playing third base. We no going young. We are putting the team there that’s best for the ballclub.’’
Guillen was referring to the club offering Crede a contract extension in July of 2007, after he had major back surgery. An offer that Crede said never really happened, and was debated about last spring.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/02/more_ozzie_on_crede.html

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Garret Anderson the Brave

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/02/braves-intere-1.html

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 22, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thanks for trying to

correct me and not TheCip for the picture at least 2 times bigger of Colon…..asshole.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Feb 22, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's because you haven't graduated high school yet.

once you’re out of your parents house, me and your dad will stop treating you unfairly.

by larry on Feb 22, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

[insert fatolo joke here]

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 22, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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