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Can Chris Getz Help Rid Us of Jerry Owens?

Earlier this off-season, I posed the question Which Newcomer's Performance Will Be The Most Key To The Sox '09 Campaign? At the time, I expected the winner of the accompany poll would be Jerry Owens.

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After all, the key to the Sox season has to be the lack of a leadoff hitter, right?

But you guys surprised me and selected Josh Fields, who clearly has the most upside of the non-established major leaguers. And to tell the truth, I can't argue with that assertion.

A year ago, I wrote the following on the eve of the first spring game.

It just feels like [Owens has] already been given the starting job, while Carlos Quentin remains the red-headed stepchild of Sox camp.

If the White Sox are going to be the championship team that the White Sox brain trust thinks they can be, one of the main reasons will be that Carlos Quentin and Josh Fields successfully made the leap to become very good offensive players. Jerry Owens at his very best might be an average center fielder, and as such, his presence as de facto leadoff hitter would seem to limit the teams playoff hopes versus a team with a fully-realized Carlos Quentin in the lineup.

Without patting myself on the back too much -- because how hard is it to point out that Quentin is a better player than Owens? -- you couldn't find that opinion written in any of your local dailies at this time last year. Which is all a way of saying I'm completely ignoring the Jerry Owens hype machine this year.

I Don't Care

Jerry Owens Sucks. No amount of column inches devoted to his renewed commitment to bunting will convince me otherwise. Still, Owens is the favorite to be the teams' leadoff hitter yet again, and seems at least assured of splitting time with Brian Anderson in a platoon situation. And if not Anderson, than Dewayne Wise, who could remove Owens from the equation altogether. (Both Wise and Owens are out of options, while Anderson has been deemed a "lock" for the opening day roster.)

Star-divide

Strangely, it's the presence of those two options that has allowed me to take the I Dont Care attitude. I say strangely because it's not like I'm confident that either of them can step into the starting role in the same way I was about Quentin last year. But what they do provide is a safety net of replacement-level respectability. 

Let's say Owens has a breakout campaign. What's he going to hit? .280/.330/.330? What if he hits his 75th percentile PECOTA? That's a lowly .240/.303/.311. Not even worth keeping on the roster.

Anderson or Wise can put up a .300 OBP with a much better slugging percentage. So unless Owens is dynamite (their definition, not mine), he should end up as a relative non-factor in the grand scheme of things. (Though I reserve the right to complain about his presense once again should he find a way to stick around into May.)

The only reason Owens is even in the picture is because he's seen as a prototypical leadoff hitter. He can fill two positions. Leadoff hitter and center field. And for some reason his only competition for that leadoff spot seems to be Wise and Brent Lillibridge, who managed just a .294 OBP in AAA last season.

What do those three players have in common, you ask? The answer is simple. They're fast. They're seen as prototypical leadoff hitters not because they can get on base -- they couldn't last year -- but because they can make things happen.

Wise was a perfect 9-for-9 in stolen bases last season. Lillibridge stole 95 bases in '06 and '07 combined, albeit in the minor leagues. And Owens, well, we know what Owens can do. He stole 55 bases between Charlotte and Chicago in '07. Owens must be seen as the leader in this race because he was the only one of the trio to post an OBP over .300 last year.

Why Not Getz?

I'm not going to sit here and campaign for Getz to be given the leadoff spot in the lineup. I wouldn't throw any rookie into that situation. But I have to ask, Why isn't he even in the conversation?

Getz is exactly the type of player who should be considered in a leadoff battle. He has negligible power, and his greatest offensive assets are his control of the strike zone and ability to get on base. That control of the strike zone is the reason I'm quite confident Getz will eventually make the transition to productive major leaguer. And I'm not the only one to notice Getz' advanced approach at the plate.

While the second-base derby is being advertised as a three-man race among Chris Getz, Brent Lillibridge and Jayson Nix, one Sox veteran insisted the job is Getz's to lose.

"His swing is too fundamentally sound," the player said. "It's a swing that can hold up an entire major-league season."

Honestly, I haven't seen enough of Getz' swing to agree, but I can say, based on his minor league stats, that Getz has an approach at the plate which should translate into major league success. He has amassed a 130/129 K/BB ratio above A-ball, which suggests he'll be able to adjust to major league pitching.

Getz Will Hit, Eventually

Getz is not a unique hitter, but that's not a bad thing. You don't even have to venture out of the division, or even outside of the last few seasons, to find some good comps for Getz. Alexei Casilla in Minnesota and Alberto Callaspo in KC share Getz primary offensive skill set.

Casilla owns a 97/75 K/BB ratio above A-ball, while Callaspo's was 103/170. Callaspo's puts him almost in the Dustin Pedroia range (70/106), although Pedroia posted those numbers in a tougher hitting environment and at a younger age. (For comparison's sake, Owens has a 226/164 mark above A-ball, while significantly older than the others.)

I bring up those three players not just because they share a similar skill set with Getz, but to warn of the slow start that each got off to in their major league careers.

Pedroia hit .191/.258/.303 over 89 at-bats late in '06, and .180/.306/.230 over his first 22 games of '07. Casilla hit .222/.256/.259 over 189 at-bats in '07. And Callaspo hit .220/.272/.280 over his first 186 major league at-bats. For some reason, players of this particular skill set appear lost in their initial taste of the big leagues.

After those shaky first 175 at-bats, however, they've all hit for a high average. I don't need any stats to tell you how Pedroia has done ('08 AL MVP), but Casilla and Callaspo managed to put up '08 lines of .281/.333/.374 and .305/.361/.371, respectively.

It's largely because of those numbers that I believe Getz will be positive contributor to the Sox in the near future, why I believe he should at least be in the leadoff discussion with the other dreck. The question remains, Do the Sox have the patience to see him develop into a possible leadoff man or #2 hitter?

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i still love you, jerry.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Are you still sponsoring his page?

Then the bloom is off the rose.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

wrecked

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that's funny, I don't care where you come from.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

jamie moyer broke PECOTA

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1191

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

Nice. Kill the old people while they are still effective because they don't "fit" the mold.

Obamanomics creeps into PECOTA.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Obama announced his Logan's Run policy?

Are we converting OPOSes into green jobs directly now?

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 27, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

soylent green ftw

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 27, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Soylent gasoline

The cars run on people! It’s people!

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 27, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice. I got a laugh from that.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I lose zero sleep thinking about Mr. Owens

I also felt and argued last preseason that Owens would be irrelevant and that talent would win out. Same thing here. My hope as I mentioned last thread is that Brent plays some CF. Yes he is fast but unlike Owens I think he can vastly improve his OBP.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions  

Timo! Pablo! sPods! Erstad!

Yes, the Sox are known for their “talent wins out”!

;-)

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Feb 27, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

pretty sure it was health that won out on that one.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes I don't mean to imply health wasn't a factor

but Owens hurting himself was always a real possibility to me and he will suck so bad that he just won’t play enough to worry me.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Feb 27, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Reach around for Cheat...

I couldn’t agree more.
    Owens tops out as mediocre. I know that he is in his physical prime (28) but, he’s been in AAA for 3 years with no improvement in his numbers. His extra base hits have steadily declined as well.

 Getz is the kind of player that should be very solid. Not spectacular but solid. If both Getz and ramirez perform well this year we might have a glut of middle infielders, with beckham on the fast track and lillibridge providing super utility role.

If Fields or Viciedo can take command of 3rd base and do it well, then we will have a nice problem of finding a place for Beckham to play.

I’m sure that kenny has been trying but, this has to be the year that he pulls the trigger on a trade for a center fielder. I wish that we could match up with the Cardinals as they seem to have an abundance of CF’s. Colby Rasmus, Jon Jay, Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker. not that the latter 2 would be considered “future guys” but that’s 4 guys who play center well.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

28 is past the physical prime for a player who relies on speed.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Your right...

I just enjoy pointing out his age. I know there are examples to prove otherwise but, to me if a guy hasn’t made it by the time he’s 28……. (pods broke in with the brewers when he was 27)

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Feb 27, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

We've been seeing this quote since he was 26.

When will we make an end (just like “The Agony and the Ecstasy”)?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they'll play Dayan over Beckham at 3rd.

Didn’t I read that he was more of a 1B/DH type ultimately? I can see us trying him out wherever he fits this season, but next year is probably when we’ll have a real slot for him….and it probably won’t be 3rd, iirc.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully this sorts itself out and Owens finds himself nursing a sore hamstring

A platoon of Wise/Anderson with Owens as the 5th outfielder makes the most of a bad situation IMO.

by madvillian on Feb 27, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

ozzie likes the cut of allen's jib
“I love the way he swings the bat,” sad Guillen of Allen. “He’s a name I’ve talked about with (general manager) Kenny (Williams).”

http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/02/tucson_tales_day_1.html

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 11:07 AM CST reply actions  

congrats on General Soreness

research disproves the notion that Jim thought it up. though he may have done so at his imaginary blog, you were first here.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Feb 27, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

yes, there's been some debate over that. i actually can't recall whether i pilfered it from elsewhere or if it was independent discovery on our parts.

i thought i just saw the blog entry from gonzalez or something.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Q! BA JD - now that would be one good looking outfield

BA just needs to bat for decent average … all a dream up to this point.

And anyways, this leadoff guy talk. I understand – very important to have a good player there. Everyone got really hot and heavy about this after 05 Pods success. Almost like NFL teams, when each one of them wanted to have a Hester on the roster.

F that, pitching and defense wins ball games.

by LT_sox_fan on Feb 27, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

and you mean "1st half of '05"

1st half: SB:44/9
2nd Half: SB: 15/14

1st Half: OBP: .369
2nd Half: OBP: .326

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Feb 27, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

sure

neverless, he showed to an average person (not you boys who hang out at baseball prorectus … i mean prospectus) what an impact a great lead off guy can have.

by LT_sox_fan on Feb 27, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

and you seemed to be showing such promise

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

like we didn't know it from Rickey or Rock.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Feb 27, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope. Great leadoff men CLEARLY started and ended with Pods.

What. A. Douche.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Another issue with Owens...

He doesn’t get extra-base hits. It’s kind of a “duh” thing with his slugging percentage, but he only had 11 doubles (with one homer and no 3B) in 351 at-bats last year. He just doesn’t hit the ball with authority. I know this isn’t breaking news or anything, but still. Even the most successful weak slap hitters still are able to put the ball in the gap from time to time.

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by UribeAuction on Feb 27, 2009 12:14 PM CST reply actions  

i don't know about that.

luis castillo is probably the prototypical successful weak slap hitter of the last decade or so and he doesn’t get many doubles either. of course, he’ll actually get on base some. maybe you’re thinking of a more juan pierre type but juan actually gets some line drives (i.e., over 20%). jerry (and luis) doesn’t.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

willy taveras is the same sort, iirc

we had a thread in november or something about how JO is a poor man’s Taveras.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 27, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I have faith in Jerry Owen's

groin and its ability to help this team through injury.

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 27, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

me too, vince. me too.

Has there ever been a player that so many fans willed to get injured??

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

A splashy return, MM.

Nice. What happened to “Ba-ZING!”?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Ba-ZING is SO 2008

Get with the now, old man.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure - cop Ed McMahon's line

after his house has been foreclosed on. Vulture.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

i think i prefer boosh! for my own.

but ba-zing! is timeless.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 27, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerry Owens should be aboard only as a pinch runner

Not trying to justify his being here, but if he HAS to be here, then as a pinch runner is as far as I want him to go.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

having a pinch runner who can't play plus defense is a waste of a roster spot.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Having a pinch runner who can’t hit or play defense is a waste of a roster spot. That’s my point :)

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

then as far as you want him to go is out of town.

he does not have to be here. he is redundant.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't miss him in the slightest.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I’m still waiting for you to post a pic on facebook of yourself.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

that is far more advanced than anything i could do on a computer.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure Cheat will claim naiviety too :)

The two of you continue to hide behind your veil of anonymity.

As does that old man from Florida. It’s nice to put a face to a name.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmm...

Cheat’s sketch kinda looks like me without glasses.

I guess this sketch will have to appease the masses.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

cheat can't claim naiviety. he's computer savvy.

i, on the other hand, am not. i literally cannot place a picture of me on a computer and then upload it to a website.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't you have people for that?

White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.

by vince_ on Feb 27, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds rather advanced for my secretary, too.

and rather a waste of time.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

secretarys

spend most of their day wasting their time. At least I do when I fill in at my step-dad’s practice.

My laptop actually has a built-in webcam that can take pics, and therefore can instantly upload it to a website.

It’s not that difficult though, Larry. Just upload those pics of yourself from those sex dating websites. Might not want to use “that one”. You know the one I’m talking about.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

we may be slightly busier than your dad's practice.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Now there's a comedic opening I could drive a truck through

so many options…..aaaarrrggghhh!

/head explodes

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I have seen larry.

He destroys camera lenses. e-gus would concur.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm up. Ask HSA.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of comedic openings...

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 27, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

daymn.

ha!!!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

ba-zing!

or hi-yo!

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

well put.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 27, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of puts,

what’s your action these days? Buying/shorting?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

i've been scalping. even though i'm bearish, at these levels i just don't see much upside in holding positions on either side.

check out the stock STRN. the most recent example of the whole stock market is a scam.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here - in banks, mostly.

Bought some MO yesterday. Merchants of death – I like it. Sold some GLD this week. That’s it.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

check out the month chart on STRN. that spike on feb. 20 was a market opening print of $10 for over 400K shares

http://www.google.com/finance?q=strn

of which my firm became short well in excess of 200K shares and was instantly 4 points in the money.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 27, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I demand you friend me now

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

sounds like a potential killer - HSA, your intuition?

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't take rejection well

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

neither does larry.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

No access at work.

And my e-mail address is not supported by FB, so I have to invite a specific person. E-mail me your info at dnolte@cfl.rr.com and I’ll invite you.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

and i'm still waiting for your old ass to accept

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I looked last night and got no invite.

HSA and Toonder (SSS RIP) are the only invites I’ve received.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

i friend requested after those two when my news feed told me they'd been commenting on your photos

i also suggested a good chunk of us to be your friends. check when you get home.

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I feel pantsed.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It wasn't me.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

neither can i

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

As for Cheat's topic...

Getz is going to be on the opening day roster, I believe. Where he bats, I think, determines if Owens is contributing to the team. If Getz can leadoff then Owens is bumped off and Anderson and Wise split CF duties and bat lower in the order.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

nice to see we're working on the secondary pitches
Furcal takes Poreda deep
By Mark Gonzales

GLENDALE, Ariz. – Aaron Poreda surrendered a home run to Rafael Furcal to start the bottom the the first inniing in a B game at Camelback Ranch.

Poreda, the White Sox’s top pick in 2007, gave up the homer on a 2-2 pitch that was clocked at 92 mph.

Orlando Hudson followed with a single but was stranded at third after Danny Ardoiin grounded to third on a slider.

Poreda’threw 21 pitches, 18 fastballs, two breaking pitches and a change-up. His fastball was clocked from 91-93 mph.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/02/furcal-takes-poreda-deep.html
 

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

Just 91-93?

That’s the cheddar cheese. If he’s not mixing it up he’s going to be tee-ed off.

I was able to hit 91 on the pitching machine at 16 and I am horribly underdeveloped athletically

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

what day of what month is it?

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, I know...

I’m just antsy for some real baseball… and mid 90’s heat from our one real pitching prospect :)

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

you're complaining about a lefty starter who can sit low 90's

in February?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Feb 27, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

from cowley
Poreda beteen 91 and 92 on the gun so far.
Chuck the Knuck gets out of jam … KW yawns.
C. Haeger now on the mound for LA. Little revenge in mind with KW watching?
Poreda gets first strikeout on D. Young.
Orlando Hudson then singles.
Furcal leads off game with a homer. Poreda’s hair still looks good. His arm? Well, it’s early.
Poreda on the mound … along with his grunge haircut.
Quentin solid single to left off J. Schmidt. Continues looking great this spring.
Sox “B” game in Glendale is more like the “A” team, with Nix, AJ, Quentin, Thome, Dye and Ramirez all starting.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Where are the pics of this grunge haircut?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

wot is a gurunge hiar do?

my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker

by hoodlight on Feb 27, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 27, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Grunge fashion...

“Clothing commonly worn by grunge musicians in Washington consisted of thrift store items and the typical outdoor clothing (most notably flannel shirts) of the region, as well as a general unkempt appearance. The style did not evolve out of a conscious attempt to create an appealing fashion; music journalist Charles R. Cross said, "Kurt Cobain was just too lazy to shampoo,” and Sub Pop’s Jonathan Poneman said, “This [clothing] is cheap, it’s durable, and it’s kind of timeless. It also runs against the grain of the whole flashy aesthetic that existed in the 80’s.”

Courtesy of Wikipedia, another friend.

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by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

You know how Hazy found that picture, hoodie?

Your friend, GOOGLE!

:D
regards

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Feb 27, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

White Sox add new scoreboard at U.S. Cellular
By Mark Gonzales

GLENDALE, Ariz – The White Sox have replaced the U.S. Cellular Field out-of-town scoreboard with a more modern LED version that will be ready for the 2009 season.

The new board will feature up-to-the-minute updates on each game, complete with a diamond listing runners on base and the current batter and pitcher.

The scoreboard is similar to what’s used at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg.

 
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/02/white-sox-add-new-scoreboard-at-us-cellular.html

having been to the thunderdome – and i’m sure WU will agree – this scoreboard should be pretty good.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

It will probably suck less juice as well

seeing as LEDs are more efficient than light bulbs.

Good to keep those electricity bills down, maybe affording the Sox another FA in the future.

Clearly, for those in the know.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

What scoreboard are we talking about here?

I’ve never been to the Cell and I don’t think I have an idea which one we’re talking about.

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by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

like it says, the out of town scoreboard.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm. I can't find pics on the website.

Oh well. I thought for a minute you were talking about the pinwheel thing.

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by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

haha.

Okay, Larry.

I missed your subtle sarcasm all these long months.

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by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

the one on the right

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 27, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ohhh.

Gotcha. Thanks.

Nice sig btw.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

shamelessly stolen from SSH (RIP)

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 27, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW, this site is dead this morning.

If I can drink till 5am and get up and get on here by noon, then so can the other alcoholics here.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

this has been a mental request of mine

Brooks Boyer is in my head!

I was in the shit too!

by thecip on Feb 27, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

that is pretty awesome

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I do agree.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

are you guys talking about the one in RF?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Feb 27, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Minimum renewal

For pre-arb guys like Danks and Quentin, is there a place where I can find what the minimum contract renewal amount is? Having no luck googling. I’m curious to see if they paid over the minimum at all.

by southsideirish on Feb 27, 2009 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Major league minimum - $400,000

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

they did.

minimum salaries would be in the CBA which you can find on MLBPA’s website or via google.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

but that's not the minimum that they could pay him

the minimum is $400,000, the major league minimum.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Feb 27, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

that's not the minimum. they can pay him more.

see, you can pay a pre-arbitration player whatever you want, so long as it’s over the minimum. which is $400,000. the major league minimum. for baseball playing. in the major leagues. of the united states. of america. like if you played for the white sox. as a player.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Feb 27, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

twelve.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

he's been, ahem, outsourced.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Still has title below.

Emeritus? Or still a working asst. editor? Or does it matter?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

look. he's gone. and, if you know what's good for you, you'll stop asking questions.

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I find myself wondering

What exactly is the difference between editors and authors, at least in the SBNation/SSS world. Seems the editors (some anyway) are doing all the writing and the authors get the esteemed pleasure of having their name stapled to the bottom of every thread.

Not a critique mind you, just a curiosity.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 27, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

*use of the company bike

fixed

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by larry on Feb 27, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tough crowd - I had to rec that.

Cheat pedaling to the bank to do payroll is hysterical.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Feb 27, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So "authors" only get weed and lap dances?

Or am I totally off base here?

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 27, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

Shaftr and TAEG only get the strippers and reefer because they’re considered mere “authors”

whereas the four horsemen (larry, colin, cip, and u-god) have hooker and blow stipends funneled into their bank accounts weekly.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Feb 27, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually just have them delivered straight to my apartment

no stipends involved whatsoever

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still befuddled

I can’t tell if this was an intentional skull-%@#! of the english language

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

From Sickels, thought it related
One: Strike zone judgment is obviously very important in player success. Many of the busts were guys who couldn’t control the zone.

Two: A low strikeout rate seems to be helpful…some players who didn’t do much in the lower minors but who later improved/broke out showed low strikeout rates even before the production picked up. Other studies have shown that walks by themselves don’t necessarily carry forward to the majors, but a strong BB/K/AB ratio is a positive marker.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/2/27/774565/the-recent-history-of-shor

by The Cheat on Feb 27, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions  

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