Un-Wise Use of Salary
We still have another 10 days until pitchers and catchers report for spring training, 10 days which are sure to be filled with more boring puff pieces than agent-fabricated rumors. Today brings us the headline "Wise not assured of Sox roster spot," which begs the question, Why was he given a guaranteed contract?
Elsewhere, USA Today ran a quote from a Cuban Baseball expert skeptical of Dayan Viciedo.
Some think the frequent comparisons with legendary Cuban third baseman Omar Linares are far-fetched.
"(Viciedo) was not one of the top six or seven third basemen on the island," says Cuban baseball expert Peter Bjarkman, who has seen Viciedo play more than 25 times. "He simply never developed after his (second) season."
But Viciedo has reportedly dropped about 20 pounds this off-season, causing Ozzie Guillen to call him the "former fat guy." And in the linked Wise article Merkin states that he's likely to open the season in AAA, which would still put him a level or two ahead of most 20 year old prospects.
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several sox crack the top hundo:
USA TODAY Sports Weekly’s 100 Names You Need to Know
16. Chris Getz, 2B, White Sox: A broken wrist limited his 2008 Chicago cameo to seven at-bats, but the move of Alexei Ramirez to shortstop makes the second-base job his to lose this spring. The 25-year-old doesn’t have great power, but he has decent speed and is an excellent contact hitter (142 strikeouts in 1,428 minor league at-bats), which could aid the top or bottom of the White Sox’s lineup.
17. Clayton Richard, LHP, White Sox: Richard, 25, hardly impressed in his eight-start big-league stint last season, but his solid minor league pedigree has him well-positioned for the opportunity knocking this spring. With Jose Contreras recovering from an Achilles’ injury, Richard is primed to grab the No. 5 starting job, and he could move up a notch if Bartolo Colon is not sound.
53. Dayan Viciedo, INF, White Sox: outlined above
68. Lance Broadway, P, White Sox: At 25, the 2005 first-round pick has a solid chance to crack the White Sox’s rotation out of spring training. While the first three spots are occupied by Mark Buehrle, John Danks and Gavin Floyd (the latter two earning their slots with career years last year), No. 4 is tentatively occupied by Bartolo Colon, who has been inconsistent and injury-prone the last three seasons. No. 5 will be earned in a competition, with Broadway and Clayton Richard among the leading candidates to claim it. (Another candidate, Jose Contreras, is likely out until the summer with an Achilles’ tendon injury.) In the minor leagues, Broadway greatly reduced his walks last season while maintaining his strikeout rate.
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
heres the whole story on Viciedo:
Dayan Viciedo will have a sense of comfort when he walks into the Chicago White Sox spring training complex this month and finds fellow Cuban exiles Alexei Ramirez and Jose Contreras in the clubhouse.
That and $10 million persuaded him to cast his lot with the White Sox.
The power-hitting third baseman, who signed a four-year deal with Chicago in December, is working on acclimating himself to life in the USA, improving his conditioning and getting ready for a level of baseball he has never experienced.
“It is different, but the main thing is to be dedicated. If you are, things will work out,” says Viciedo, 19, who has gotten tips from Ramirez and Contreras. “It’s a higher quality overall, so you need to stay focused. It’s up to you how you meet the challenge.”
After winning the 2005 World Series with Contreras and countryman Orlando “El Duque” Hernandez on their pitching staff, then getting major contributions from Ramirez last season, the White Sox have once again tapped their Cuban pipeline.
Viciedo burst into the international scene at the 2005 World Junior Championships in Mexico, gaining MVP honors at 15. The next year he became the youngest All-Star ever in Cuba’s top league, the Serie Nacional. He compiled a lifetime average of .287 in four seasons, with 36 home runs, 162 RBI and a .456 slugging percentage in 327 games for Villa Clara.
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he got his picture in the paper and everything
"Thats terrible." - President Obama at the Commander-In-Chief Ball, to a soldier in Afghanistan from Chicago after Mr. President asked him if he was a Cubs fan or a Sox fan and the grunt said Cub fan. Out of the seven Chicagoland sodiers, 4 said Cubs, 3 said Sox.
That so called expert in Cuban baseball
It amazes me that this expert is very high on Cuban players when they are still in the island but he is extremally down once they defect. Viciedo was a tenageer playing against men. Nobody knows how he will turns out but I take my chances. Wouldn’t you!
Don’t we have a travel Embargo agaisnt Cuba?
Cubano
that isn't true. he very much likes ramirez. and morales, as well.
bjarkman isn’t a scout so his assessments of players should be taken with an even heftier grain of salt than usual (i will simply observe that he really likes to use batting average to assess a player). however, i think there is little doubt that he knows a hell of a lot about cuban baseball, certainly more than the vast majority of people commenting on it. you can probably count on your hands the americans who have seen viciedo play more than bjarkman. and his contacts in cuban baseball may be matched but aren’t exceeded.
dont shoot me
im just the piano player.
but yeah youre right.
Taylor Teagarden at 7, Matt Weiters at 9 was my first clue that the top 100 smelled funny.
Youd think Lillibridge wouldve been the bone they threw out there instead of Broadway.
"He simply never developed after his (second) season."
I really wish some of these folks would stop acting like this kid is 23-24.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
or stop acting like he played ten seasons.
he played three seasons. what he’s saying is that the guy wasn’t as good (or as good as expected) in his third season. dear lord. someone whose development trajectory wasn’t always a straight line upward. unprecedented.
in a short season, even.
doesn’t he have like 700 PA total in Cuba or something like that?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
For all we know...
Viciedo might be 23-24. Can we put any faith in the listed ages of Cuban players?
He’s pretty much the great unknown at this point. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Feb 5, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Castro is 112.
What do you expect? Danny Almonte is now 42. I say do an carbon-14 test on anyone from the Islands.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i wouldn't be concerned about anyone who was 1) born in a rather major city (not some small mountain town like contreras)
2) was born recently; and 3) had no reason to misrepresent their age. it is an ignorant statement that i see all the time that other than about fifteen countries in the world you can’t believe anyone’s age because the country apparently doesn’t know that paper exists to record things. this all may have been true forty years ago when governments weren’t exactly that centralized or long-standing. not really true anymore. especially in cuba.
more Sox news from interwebs:
Fantasy Baseball Advice 20 Risky Pitchers for 2009
1. Armando Gallarago
2. Ricky Nolasco
1 is a no brainer, 2 makes sense since he was out in 07
3. Gavin Floyd
2008 Curve/Slider % – 39%
2008 Total Pitches: 3,235
Difference From 2007: 2,082 (est. +383 if minor league pitches included)
2008 First Year With 2,700 Pitches – YESFloyd was a top prospect that had trouble shaking injuries early in his career (54 IP in 2004-2005) to pitch two injury-free seasons in a row. While his 2,000+ MLB pitch spike can be downplayed because of 106 IP in the minors in 2007, throwing 39% breaking balls (split close to even between sliders and curve balls) is extremely high for a young pitcher. Here is the list of starting pitchers with 3 or less seasons of 2,700+ pitches to throw over 35% pitches in a season from 2005-2007: Casey Fossum (47% – 2005), Tony Armas Jr (36% – 2006), Ramon Ortiz (35% – 2006), Ian Snell (37% – 2007), Boof Bonser (39% – 2007), and Adam Wainwright (35% – 2007). All six of these players fell back hard the next year – either missing significant time or pitching less effective.
The moral of the story is that a pitcher who throws breaking balls at this high of a rate is running up a debt on their arm that will be paid in the next year (and, possibly, beyond). I will call it a Faustonian Bargain after the Oriole pitcher (and longtime Cub broadcaster) Steve Stone who blew his arm out throwing 50% curve balls during his 1980 Cy Young year.
Throw in the fact that Floyd had a super-low BABIP (.268) and the safe bet is that he is more likely to be useless in an AL-only league than be useful in a mixed league.
its an interesting theory, i guess. too many curveballs and an increased workload = risk.
I subscribe more to the idea that the workload itself is the culprit but whatevs.
oh crap, we're screwed...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 5, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Old news. Gavin expected to regress to the mean. Can't replicate his good year.
You’ve just described every great success story.
I figured Dayan for AA. AAA would be fine if he has a decent spring.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Well, I wouldn't draft Gavin for a fantasy league either
But from a real baseball perspective, I expect him to be a useful player for the Sox. I’m unimpressed by the stat-work in the quote. Small sample size, not all breaking balls shred arms at the same rate, etc. Gavin could have his arm fall off, but I have no way to gauge the likelihood of that.
The question to me is can Gavin keep his ERA under 5 and throw a bunch of innings or will he absolutely implode? An ERA of 4.75 over 180 innings is pretty useful (in the AL, in UCF), especially at Floyd’s salary level. I think he can do it, and I think he’ll be a useful pitcher for the Sox.
by hitlesswonder on Feb 5, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'm gonna pick him in the SSS fantasy thing
if it ever gets up and running. I’m looking forward to that, never played fantasy baseball before.
anytime you like sunshine
If you rooted for the Sox in 2007
you were a part of fantasy baseball.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Feb 5, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
BA-ZING! - Oh no he didn't!
I think that’s your best yet, OPOS.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
I remember watching a Sox game in 2007
we loaded the bases up with no outs, great we’re in business I thought and the next three batters all struck out swinging.
anytime you like sunshine
I remember that game...
And I think it happened more than once
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 5, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite Moment(s)
was the four in a row pizza giveaway in our series at tampa where the fans got free pizza all four nights by virtue of our hitters going for 10+ Ks. The best part was ozzie after the third night saying something like, “you know they’ll do it again…”
the fight for Q! is going to be a bloodbath....
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 5, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
BP team health report matrix
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1165
well, apparently we at least don’t have to worry about dewayne wise getting hurt. your usual old suspects receive reds, along with danks. ramirez and MB also get greens. the rest of their projected starters and rotation and jenks and dotel get yellows.
from the comments:
“I guess I won’t draft Erstad in the first round.”
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Yeah Gavin is only yellow as opposed to Danks red.
Another reason I’m extremely happy he is not part of the WBC. As I look at the red Konerko, Thome and Dye, I long for a man named Swisher.
I expected worse regarding the Twins staff. Sigh. I think this does put me squarely back on the Twins for the main threat/division leader.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
that's it? you cave just like that?
pussy.
by larry on Feb 5, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Was there ever a doubt that the Twins would dominate?
Where have you been, Tdogg? De river Nile? The Twinks are always the favorites. Obama just took office and has yet to get around to changing that fact. Give it a year or so.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I know the Twins have won the next 3 WS
but I honestly did expect a little more projected health gloom from their young staff and the innings they pitched last year. Sort of like Danks.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
You surprised MB is green?
I sort of am with all his innings.
Also AJ should not be yellow – he should be azure. He is indestructible.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
killed my fantasy team in the first half last season!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Some douche' on this board told me to keep Oswalt
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
1st half he did...
No keepers this year – so starting from scratch. We won’t delve into Fantasy until next month when I have my draft and ask some of you friggin geniuses for your input, cough.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
then you suck at fantasy
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
second place two years ago (out of 16)
not so good last year.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
i guess you just never developed after your second season.
by larry on Feb 5, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
HA!
(PS, I am very developed, larry)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Now I know you had a smirk on your face while typing that.
Rec’d.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Come now you know I love Roy.
We can argue Fantasy next month
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Shit at this point doesnt he roll out of bed and throw 200 innings?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I used to roll out of bed and throw 200 innings (well, extrapolated to my vocation).
Some day it slows down, as you all have been so helpful in pointing out to me.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
By threat, do you mean 30 games out?
Twinkies can’t hand Q!’s stick.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Other quick questions which will be cleared up in the full reports
Wieters – Red, wow. I understand in general catchers will have the worst scores but does he have an injury history?
D-Kice- Green. This kind of surprised me.
3 of 4 LAA OF hitting red, including Vlad.
Zambrano and Harden red no surprise there.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Vlad will be DH?
Harden and Z have barricades, cones, and orange detour signs?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Where does it say Wise's contract is guaranteed?
Especially since he came out of nowhere last year, I am guessing they can release him before Opening Day for 1/4 of his salary. Why assume otherwise?
Also, seems like a lot of hand-wringing over a guy making 150k more than the minimum.
$137,500 is going to be the difference
between this team winning and losing in 2009? I could see complaining about guaranteeing the full 550k, but did anyone really think they weren’t going to give him a Major League contract after he started all those games down the stretch?
it's stupid. fine. it's not colosally stupid. but it's stupid. especially for a team crying poor.
and the contract is guaranteed once the date in march passes. for a shit player.
That's racist!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
It becomes guaranteed if he is on the Opening Day roster.
If both he and Jesse are on the roster at the time, I will agree it is stupid. Until then, 138k isn’t worth getting worked up about.
We had the same discussion with Gooch and Pods moves
at the end of 2007, IIRC. You should be a CFO, larry. You are already an honorary member of the Tribe for being a lawyer, and now fiscal austerity? If you are not circumcised already, it’s time.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Feb 5, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Pods move was $850K wasted, IIRC.
$138K pays the annual private jet fees for Ken Lewis (B of A chairman). Ain’t no thing. (Well, it would buy this site, so I guess I have to rethink that last statement.)
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
LOL!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was routine for you lot to mutilate little boys regardless of religon
anytime you like sunshine
since it's covered by health insurance
yes, it’s routine.
as i recall, you lot stopped covering it a few years back and procedure rates plummeted.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
any parents can have it done for nothing on the NHS
excluding compulsion due to religion, %99 choose not bother with it.
There’s a lot wrong with where I live, but the routine mutilation of little boys for no good reason is not one of them.
anytime you like sunshine
god help him if he wants a blow job while visiting the US
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Owen, I believe is out of options
so he’ll be there.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
....and there's the rub.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Platoon him with Q!
Gets some more speed in the lineup plus you have the handedness advantage
by hitlesswonder on Feb 5, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Nope
White Sox agreed to terms with outfielder DeWayne Wise on a one-year, $550,000 contract.
Wise spent most of the previous three seasons in the minors, but he was arbitration eligible after joining the White Sox for the final four months of 2008. The soon-to-be 31-year-old figures to have a spot on next year’s bench, and he would be quite a sleeper if the team goes into the year with light-hitting Jerry Owens as the starting center fielder.
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
Senators going through stimulus bill 'line by line'
Line 187: Federal Grant to Kenny Williams to provide funds in the amount of $37 million annually to be used for free agent acquisitions for years 2010, 2011 and 2012.
Line 194: Federal Funds Debit Card to be sent to Bobbysouthside for use to buy Polish Sausages and up to 6 beers per game for the 2009 season at the Cell.
Line 318: $450 million Federal Grant to be given to the US Postal Service to update their uniforms to White Sox Gear.
Line 409: Seizure of a known Chris Getz interview tape that was given in calendar year 2008.
Line 809: $6.7 Billion to build a retractable dome over the City of Chicago to be used for inclement weather and to keep the english from invading.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
The good news is
No money has to be used to find Getz – he obviously escaped the cellar as he was at SoxFest. Some money may be required for the mental trauma though.
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
ben sheets is pretty messed up.
Finally, an answer to one of this winter’s most puzzling questions: Why is the National League’s All-Star Game starting pitcher still looking for a job?
The answer is that free agent right-hander Ben Sheets may need surgery to repair the torn flexor tendon in his elbow, and his former employers may be asked to pick up the tab.
also
The Texas Rangers and Sheets reached an agreement on a two-year contract late last week and only a physical stood in the way of the deal being completed. But everything changed once it was determined that Sheets had a torn flexor tendon that might require surgery.
The Rangers could still pursue Sheets with a deal that would allow him to do his rehabilitation work with them in hopes that he would eventually pitch at a high level again. But that doesn’t appear to be the case.
“We’ve maintained contact but I’m not optimistic at this point,” general manager Jon Daniels said Thursday morning.
also
The Texas Rangers and Sheets reached an agreement on a two-year contract late last week and only a physical stood in the way of the deal being completed. But everything changed once it was determined that Sheets had a torn flexor tendon that might require surgery.
The Rangers could still pursue Sheets with a deal that would allow him to do his rehabilitation work with them in hopes that he would eventually pitch at a high level again. But that doesn’t appear to be the case.
“We’ve maintained contact but I’m not optimistic at this point,” general manager Jon Daniels said Thursday morning.
Is it still repeat post day?
I thought it ended yesterday.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Talk about bad timing
Ben=Humpty Dumpty=Samuel L Jackson in “Unbreakable”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
should've had the surgery earlier.
do it in september/october and maybe you’re ready for ST, certainly early in the season. where have i seen this story before…
Agent told him to hold off until he is signed?
Surgery in Sept./Oct. kills your marketability?
Not that it isn’t shot now….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
so does not having a tendon attached.
sure, it’s hindsight. i’d bet it was the best advice to just rehab it and hope it heals. but it wasn’t going to heal in a few months so they had to have been aware it was going to hurt his signability.
whenever i see this kind of stuff, there seems to be a tandem assertion that "if you sign x after the june draft, you don't lose a draft pick"
see the post on mlbtraderumors about sheets for an example. and i don’t think it’s actually clear that’s the case. the CBA pretty obviously does not contemplate the scenario of a guy declaring free agency, being a type a or b, being offered and declining arbitration, and then waiting until after the june draft to sign. there is more than enough wiggle room and ambiguity that i could easily argue that the player’s old team still gets their compensation, just in the 2010 draft. and you can bet that this issue would be fought by the teams. there’s no way that teams like the brewers or white sox or arizona are going to let other teams game the system at their expense (who is gaming what depends upon one’s point of view, of course). i’d bet that the clubs would ask mlb to provide clarity on this issue if there are still free agents out there who don’t get signed so it may not come to an actual fight.
I would tend to agree
But, it would be interesting to see what the fallout would be come June. I agree it should be the 2010 draft where the draft picks would be lost.
This really puts players like O. Cabrera in a bad spot and tends to change the whole dynamic of free agency. Teams are valuing their high draft picks more and causing Type A FA’s not to be signed. If OC was not a Type A, he would be on a ML roster right now.
So what happens? Do players like OC not test the FA market knowing there value will be diminished because of their Type status? Or does MLB and MLBPA change the rule?
Secondly, what happens to all of these FA’s that are unsigned during Spring Training? Does MLBPA setup a camp in WU’s backyard to keep these players on the same schedule as those on ML rosters getting ready for the season?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
if players really do end up not getting signed before the season,
and i’m talking legit players like cabrera and hudson, you’ll see this addressed in the new CBA (so after 2011). doesn’t appear to be such a rampant problem yet to cause it to be addressed sooner. i’d expect to see some adjusting since there are guys who are just getting their pocketbooks hammered because of the compensation issue, regardless of when/if they sign.
frankly, i still doubt players like the above won’t end up signing somewhere before the season. it’s not like teams won’t sign those guys – it’s a price issue not a skill issue like with a griffey or a thomas. they’ve gotta swallow their pride. it’s not like these guys have better options elsewhere so they’re not going to stay unemployed for the entire season. and injuries will happen.
at any rate, i’ve had cabrera pegged for oakland for awhile and i still think they’ll get that done before we get into march.
Not sure of who might be Type A
in 2009, but if the the economy keeps going on the downturn and there isn’t as much money out there next fall, as even this year – it could be even worse.
I was thinking cabrera in Oakland too – but I don’t understand what the snag is? Beane just stonewalling him to get less years/salary or is OCab just waiting it out hoping for a better deal? Same with Hudson…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
oakland will still be there in march. so will washington for hudson (and dunn).
they’re waiting to see if someone offers them closer to what they think they’re really worth or, perhaps better, has an injury. what happens if [insert name of superstar middle infielder on big market/expected contender team] suffers a [insert length of time and injury]?
I love mad libs.
What happens if Derek Jeter suffers a twelve year hernia?
by ReservoirDog on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
nothing.
come on. at least come up with some realistic scenarios. jeter would play through that. i wouldn’t recommend using jeter because he’s awesome. i mean, what injury could put him out of action? i’m thinking massive stroke or something else that would cause at least half of his body to be paralyzed. other than that, i think he toughs it out.
what if Dustin Pedroia suffers a forced stint on "Little People, Big World"?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
In memory of SSH: Matt "Guitar" Murton picked up by A's
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/04/rockies.athletics.ap/index.html
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Wasn't someone here (SSS) with a hard on for him last year?
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
SSH?
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Andruw Jones, Eduardo Perez, post-trade Rob Mackowiak...
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
ugh. your memory is too good.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
i think he badgered Jim specifically more than anyone, really.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
SSH = Blago?
mentally insane, creamed over the Cubs, brother in law (code for father in law Dick Mell) always giving him horrendous advice???? I see a connection.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
worst cover story ever
tee time software programmer? i always knew that was bullshit.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
It was mostly a bad cover story because it wasn't believable
He was completely ignorant of internet culture, which i would not expect from a programmer.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Feb 5, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
I remember one time
when a Royals fan came on here slagging off the Sox and he defended the team with a passion, I kind of respected him after that, despite everything.
anytime you like sunshine
Respected him for
coming onto the enemies (if you can call it that) blog and slamming the team while defending the worst team in the division? Or respected him for actually sticking with the Royals over the years?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Oh
Now I get it…I gotta lay off the percocet.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
It was you, Ray. It was you.
I mean, Colin. He didn’t badger me, but the times he did go after me were notable.
He didn’t get after me because my opinions are fairly mild, which is why nobody reads my site. So whenever I poked holes in his points, he would respond with personal attacks, because he couldn’t remember anything I said.
First, it was “nobody reads my site,” which everybody already said and thus didn’t do anything. Then he posted my picture. And when I took it off my server, he supplied his own version. And that was creepy.
But he remembered you saying the Twins were big-time fade candidates and Jorge De La Rosa didn’t deserve criticism for shutting down the Sox, and that’s all he needed to needle.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
he did love him some me.
to hate anyway.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Anyone with the last name "Wilson"...
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Ouch-kies
3:39pm: SI.com’s Jon Heyman talked to Sheets’ agent Casey Close, who said his client will have elbow surgery. Sheets hopes for a July or August return.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Yeah, isn't that usually a year and half recovery or so?
I remember Chris Carpenter when he tore his labrum back in Toronto – took him over a year to come back.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
labrum is shoulder.
this surgery is about six months, which is why they say july. but you have to be able to throw baseballs for awhile and stuff. i could see september.
WTF did I think he tore his labrum?
Brain is in automatic today….ugh.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 5, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
way to go draysbay
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/2/5/750702/2009-al-previews-chicago-w
I think Bull Durham was overrated.
i was in an uproar over the lack of tonnage at #4
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
i'm sure when they do the phillies preview, marcus giles will be at second.
because utley won’t be ready for opening day either.
that got front paged?
shit.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
huh?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 6, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Billy Bremner was such a great captain and team leader. Small in stature perhaps, but, big in heart and a terrific player
anytime you like sunshine
damn
your football clips never disappoint
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
mice - little bastards
take the bait of the traps without setting them off, and Stan is fucking useless couldn’t catch a cold.
does anyone here get mice – can anyone help me?
many thanks
anytime you like sunshine
you could always put some Warfarin on the bait
won’t matter if they don’t set the trap off, they’ll be goners. have to keep stan away from them though
I think Bull Durham was overrated.
Problem is, they'll probably drag themself off somewhere to die
and you’ll have a horrendous smell and not know where it’s coming from
Yeah man, we've had some issues in my luxurious pad...
Some ppl call me inhumane, but glue traps work best. Once they touch, they’re there for good. If you’re squeamish around them though, might be a bad idea b/c if you see them w/in a few hours of trapping them on one, they’ll be shaking on the trap trying to get off and will be squealing a bit. That said, they are money.
i saw one try to gnaw off it's leg to escape a glue trap.
unfortunately, it’s face got stuck in the glue.
i prefer the traps that smash their skulls. i had a group of four or five mice living in the walls in my kitchen. i found the spot from which they were emerging, put a trap baited with PB right there. one after another they walked right into it – the sound of the trap snapping onto their craniums was quite satisfying. i caught three in about an hour one evening. had those fuckers cleaned out in two days. no prisoners.
and, of course, riddex is good, too. the best part about riddex is that it’s the best product of its kind on the market.
Glue traps are for the not-so-squeamish.
I remember using one in college (we had field mice in a new apt. building in the sticks of W. Lafayette) and a mouse getting caught in it. The thumping and thrashing around the kitchen, after an all-nighter prepping for a final, weirded me out. Yeah, you want me on that wall, you NEED me on that wall.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
WU
How can you remember that far back – you were in college in the mid 40’s.
Secondly, the apartment building was new because it was one of the first housing structures on campus. Lastly, did they have electricity back when you were studying all night or were you studying by candlelight, throwing coal in the oven every so often?
Had too….you killed mickey mouse, you old POS!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 6, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
lol
in an old apartment of squalor around the turn of the century we caught a mouse with the glue trap, my roommate saw it and freaked out so i threw it at him, he ran away and it stuck to his shoulder with the mouse carcass against his arm.
good times.
by e-gus on Feb 6, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That is hysterical.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
Maybe you should call Stan "Josh".
Try peanut butter – the rodents have to stay longer and work harder. Lots of citrus rats here in FL.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
To hoodie.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
a pal of mine has said that peanut butter is the best bait
so I’ll reset the traps and see if that does the trick
anytime you like sunshine
They love fallen grapefruit and oranges.
My next door neighbor has trees on our lot line and doesn’t clean up. When we moved in 11 years ago it was like a Lord of the Flies in killing rats in our attic. Took a couple of weeks. Good times…
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i assume you didn't see a need to draw a firearm on those sonsabitches?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Nah - traps were fine.
Didn’t have to go gangsta.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 6, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
can anyone say white trash?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 6, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Don't judge unless you've lived in Florida near water and fruit trees.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
ozzie hates you in your rookie season, you spend next season largely in the minors, the third season ozzie loves you.
i’m sensing a pattern here.
Ozzie concurs with the vote, then.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
ten years is a long time.
furbs’ balls dropped, WU had three marriages, colin still had a good relationship with his father…but PK. you can count on him.
The Chicago White Sox | 75-86 (Second)
Frank Thomas led the club with a $7 million salary in 1999. But he managed just 15 home runs in 135 games, the lowest total since his rookie season, when he appeared in just 60 games. It was also the first full season in which he did not drive in 100 or more runs (breaking the string at eight seasons). Paul Konerko took over first base at the age of 23 and hit .294/.352/.511. Mike Caruso played his second full season at shortstop at the age of 22, but fell off the map in 2003. Rookie Carlos Lee, 23, hit .293 and drove in 83 runs. The pitching imploded with four starting pitchers posting ERAs above 5.10, including James Baldwin, Jim Parque, Jamie Navarro, and John Snyder. Neither Snyder nor Parque, former promising prospects, realized their potential. Bob Howry led the club with 28 saves.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/02/seasons_of_chan.php
What an absolute piece of $h!t our division was
for us to take 2nd with 75 wins. The NASDAQ was almost 3500, on its way to 5000 by March, 2000. And I have only been married once since 1999 – to the present Ms. WU. But larry was laid for the first time by a non-family member in this past decade – a far greater achievement.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I was scared of Y2K and was hiding under my bed
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 6, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
I was downtown celebrating Y2K
The crowd got so rowdy, we ended up trashing navy pier and rocking a coca cola car on it’s side.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
How does my age change? I was a junior in highschool at the time.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Feb 9, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I was sitting in the middle of Alumni Club on Lincoln Ave
when it was still there – blasted out of my mind from Red Bull and Vodka. That was when Red Bull was just getting big here at the bars. My heart didn’t stop racing for 2 days…that’s when I laid of that crap.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 6, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
You certainly know how to party.
The ambulance drivers would’ve had a good laugh at your expense: “Red Bull OD, STAT! BWAHAHAHA!”
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
I had like 12 of them
so probably 12 cans of red bull.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 6, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
But look at some of these names. We've had 3 of them 5 times...
The Cleveland Indians | 97-65 (First)
The veteran powerhouse had 15 players that made $1 million or more in 1999. Offense was the name of the game in Cleveland in 1999, with three players slugging 30 or more home runs, including Manny Ramirez (44), Jim Thome (33), and Richie Sexson (31), in his first full season. Roberto Alomar and David Justice also had more than 20. Rookie Einer Diaz took over behind the plate for the aging Sandy Alomar Jr., who was injured. Bartolo Colon, 26, led the club in wins with 18 in just his second full season. Veteran Charles Nagy was next with 17, in what would be his last productive season at the age of 33. Former rookie phenom Jaret Wright, 23, imploded with an 8-10 record and ERA of 6.06. Mike Jackson led the club with 39 saves.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
4 of them 6 times. forgot Roberto.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
He's really old. Mercy, William.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
i do. especially since you told me above: the 5 Jacksons, right?
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
saw them in a concert when I drove that girl to Gary.
did i ever tell you that story?
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
you know what they say
A new study says low levels of testosterone in older men may lead to Alzheimer’s disease.
Ironically, in younger men high levels of testosterone can also render the brain completely useless.
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Fangraphs Blurb on Getz
Seems Hulet at Fangraphs likes Getz too, and thinks he’s a key part of whether we succeed:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/getz-could-be-key-to-keystone/
He's a Canuck.
What does he know from keystone?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
are you related to hoody?
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
Hulet needs an editor
flew the coup
There is a gapping hole
But he redeems himself here:
nice complement
"A good cigar is like a beautiful chick with a great body who also knows the American League box scores. "
Klinger
they're math guys. also don't know the difference between effect and affect when talking about cliff floyd.
i do find the constant spelling and grammar errors on that site somewhat maddening.
i only read dave's stuff for the fangraphs blog.
the other regulars can’t write.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
i mean cameron, if that isn't clear.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
it says he's a former newspaper editor?
wtf.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Canadian. They write a different language.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
french?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Some editors are bad proofreaders.
Unless he’s a copy editor. Then he’s in real trouble.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
The Trib blew their front page today
Wow...that's a big f-up!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Feb 6, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I blame it on the bloggers
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
where does "good writing" fit into that?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
btw, i never asked
who is that mckamey guy? i’ve never heard of him before. google says he’s an OSU grad, which can’t be good.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
not at all
if you think UIUC grads are retards… OSU is much worse
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
well, i imagine you found his bio.
i use him because he balances my research. he likes to use statistical analysis a bit more when evaluating prospects than the others that i read. goldstein tends to like “tools” a bit more. sickels is somewhere in the middle. at least that’s how i read them. of course they all use the same sort of analytical tools, just seem to weight them differently. he scouts for the cards now, in case you didn’t see that.
BREAKFAST FAIL
http://deadspin.com/5148232/breakfast-fail-intrepid-reporter-attempts-to-eat-five-dennys-grand-slams
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

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