Extending the Discussion
by The Cheat on Feb 7, 2009 12:58 AM CST
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Scott Merkin poses a question we all had at the beginning of the off-season but have backed off with all the talk of payroll ceilings; will the White Sox reinvest their massive payroll cuts (more like 10%) into the team in the form of extensions? Kenny Williams was his usual dismissively combative self in deflecting the query.
"You are way, way too far ahead there," Williams said. "I have to look at how the Dow Jones did today and see the general state of the economy before we start committing large sums of money out there."
Assistant GM Rick Hahn gave a rosier outlook.
"Historically, you talk about it in Spring Training, in a more relaxed atmosphere," Hahn said. "There has to be a meeting of the minds, with a willingness also on the part of the player and the agent."
John Danks seems to be open to an extension, though it would seem to me to be at least a year too early to go down that path. Danks has 4 more cost-controlled years with the Sox before reaching free agency, and since the Sox are resistant to give out 4-plus year contracts to pitchers there really wouldn't be much value in signing Danks at this point. It's probably best to wait a year so they can buy out a year or two of free agency. (Same goes for Gavin Floyd)
Hitters are a different story, and the Sox should absolutely be talking to Carlos Quentin this spring. But again, they might want to wait until he both proves his wrist is healed properly and that '08 wasn't a fluke.
Bobby Jenks is the only other realistic extension candidate, but he's already signed his '09 contract and now seems like he could be the Sox best trade piece in the next 12 months.
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Kenny may have gone to Stanford, but that don’t make you smart. He talks as if the stock market should have any effects on a business that is exempt from anti-trust. You have a lot more flexibility in spending as an MLB franchise than you have in the real world. The excuse of not locking in good players for the long term is weak.
Get Abreu and Hudson in with one year deals with a promise for 3 or 4 years thereafter if terms are met. Lock up Danks, too. You are an MLB franchise in the second largest market in America. Behave like it!
The Irish Bulldog Has Spoken...
by BucktownSox on Feb 7, 2009 7:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They had a top 5 payroll last year
Won the World series 3 years ago, won the division last year. What about that isn’t acting like they are a big market team?
by Grinder in Training on Feb 7, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and seeing as Danks still has 4 years under team control like Cheat said
locking him up right now is kind of dumb
I think Bull Durham was overrated.
by U-God on Feb 7, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think
that the economy won’t have any effects on baseball (which is a business that is exempt from anti-trust), take another bong hit.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
silly bally.
if you’re exempt from antitrust laws it means that the economy has no effect on you.
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, ................
now I get why it’s so valuable to be exempt from antitrust laws.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now you're ontrack.
in this economy, there’d be all sorts of people trying to start up leagues to rival MLB. if they didn’t have the exemption, the XLB would be on tv right now with guys like andy gonzalez, timo perez and adrian gonzalez’ brother in leading roles.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 8, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
normally kenny doesn't hide what he's thinking
but you’d be a dumbass to think that top quote is what he really believes.
and saying that a brother who went to stanford isn’t smart also makes you a racist, clearly..
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 7, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you saying bucktown's comment was dry humor, damn, that was over my head...
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 7, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no. i'm saying KW's comment about the stock market was humor.
neither KW nor reinsdorf et al are making decisions based upon what the dow does in a given day.
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, i knew that, i didn't expand on that in my first comment
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 7, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll put a foot in my mouth now if you don't mind
by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 7, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no need.
i just find it equally amusing to KW’s comments when people get upset when he says such things. dear god, KW isn’t totally serious 100% of the time!?!? my god. fire him already. he should be hopping mad and throwing his boss under the bus for not letting him spend money like colletti or cashman or minaya.
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*doesn't* make you smart, perfesser
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Feb 8, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a-rod tested positive for steroids in 2003
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that would explain madonna
not enough testicular virility
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 7, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shocked. SHOCKED!
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Feb 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Times
White Sox mutiny!
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B05E3D7103AF931A15757C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Feb 7, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was right.
‘’I understand the point that was trying to be made, but I was upset at how some of the veteran guys were trying to pull some of the young guys into this,’’ Alomar said. ‘’They would have been branded, and if their names showed up on some steroid list, they would have had to answer questions about it. That wasn’t fair to them.’’
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god A-Rod and Barry were willing to take the heat, for the sake of baseball
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Feb 7, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not what i meant.
the list would obviously say why they were on the list. the point is that this list was supposed to be completely confidential. whoops.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people sure like to talk about how alexei likes to swing
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/aggressive-alexei-ramirez
interesting to see the decline in fastballs seen, though.
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ray durham hasn't received a single contract offer.
kind of amazing for a guy who was worth about 2.5 wins last year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3890760
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is the wife out of town or something?
You are fast becoming Wiz.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Feb 7, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also the secretary on the vacation?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Feb 7, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
andruw jones close to minor league deal with rangers
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-jonesrangers020709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
apparently a done deal
$500K base plus potential for $1M in bonus.
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/02/rangers_to_sign.html
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 8, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb network is certainly letting costas go full hilt on this arod story.
i was hoping to watch the 97 sox get mowed down by randy johnson.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting
Watching MLB’s in house crew talk about how badly the player’s union screwed up here.
Optimist
by Peder on Feb 7, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, that was after i posted...
of course, seeing harold reynolds agree with costas on the groupthink aspect was interesting, as well. in fairness to the commentators, the union did totally blow it. you can’t let those tests just sit around. but, you’re right, it is a good chance to kick the union more than mlb.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know enough
of the inside stuff to really assign blame on that basis. I just find the ethics of the situation very interesting. And that’s not even to say that I would disagree if I knew more about it. For years I’ve thought that ESPN straddled some difficult fences since they posed as journalists who just happened to have an enormous interest in the promotion of the sports they covered. Now that the leagues themselves are getting in the business, I wonder where the lines will be drawn.
I’ve been very impressed with MLB network so far. They’ve been great at making the off season more interesting and the various replays have been wonderful. I’m very curious though, at just how much leeway they’ll have to blame the league offices or Bud Selig. Relatedly, I wonder how careful they have to be with active players to make certain they don’t hurt anyone’s money.
Optimist
by Peder on Feb 7, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who spilled the beans?
My guess is ARod’s ex.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
the guys and gals who took an oath of office to not violate the laws of the united states.
pesky thing, that.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm betting on
ARod’s ex.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he has four ex wives?
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if each of those wives didn't have to sign a non-disparagement type clause, arod should find some other lawyers.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and re." non-disparagement type clause,"
what do they say about spurned lovers?
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know what you mean.
if you’re saying some chick arod was banging who also saw him inject steroids or something is the initial source for this, who knows. but it’s not like this arod thing is that big of a surprise. who was he playing for? the biggest steroid using team.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really disappointed
guess I should’ve seen it coming, but I’ve been a big defender of A-Rod out here…looks like no one is sacred.
What a sad era in beisbol this is…
by Crede's Crew on Feb 8, 2009 3:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
still, i thought this from shysterball was interesting:
If I’m Ken Griffey Jr., I call a press conference for tomorrow morning to announce my retirement, because my historical stock will never be higher.
could probably replace griffey with frank thomas, too.
everyone is a suspect – some more than others of course.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 8, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Once the secret is leaked,
no reason for the 4 to keep quiet.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 7, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right. other than that whole illegality thing.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
giants make one year offer to crede
http://cbs5.com/sports/joe.crede.offer.2.929605.html
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 7, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rowand is getting the band back together!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 7, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is buddy bell doing?
Houston Astros
Signed: OF Jason Tyner
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=2051
unforgivable…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 7, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
O. Hudson
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/02/08/a_tough_pitch_to_let_go_by/?page=5
I wasn’t aware we were interested.
by DirtySox on Feb 8, 2009 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Crede Seeking $7MM.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/02/crede-seeking-7.html
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Feb 8, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i didn't know william buckley played for the cubs.
our schtick is old
by larry on Feb 8, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If you're not watching MLB Network right now you should be. There's so much win in this game.
- Hawk and Whimpy calling the action.
- Young Griffey and A-Rod.
- Sox DP combo of Ray Ray Durham Durham and Ozzie.
- Randy Johnson, nasty mullet and all.
- Lyle Mouton and Albert Belle.
by CWSKeith on Feb 8, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also All-Sport ads
I liked my sports drink carbonated
by 3E8 on Feb 8, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that shit was awesome
I think Bull Durham was overrated.
by U-God on Feb 8, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Feb 8, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kark pulling a 102 mph pitch past third for a single
on his birthday. Hawk saying, “That’s been the problem- Johnson just hadn’t been throwing hard enough.” A great line.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Feb 8, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera update:
According to a source, the A’s are expected to start discussions with Orlando Cabrera’s agent, Dan Lozano, when general manager Billy Beane returns from a speaking engagement in New Zealand this week.
The A’s are not interested in Cabrera if he’s still looking to make in the $9 million range he earned last year with the Chicago White Sox, but the team would not lose a first-round draft pick to sign him, even though the shortstop is a Type-A free agent. Because the A’s have one of the top 15 picks in the draft, they would instead surrender their second-round pick.
Getting Cabrera at a bargain rate might not be a given. A source said that he has considered sitting out until after the season starts if offers aren’t to his liking.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/07/SPEV15PL1V.DTL
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Feb 8, 2009 6:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here's a picture of that skanky brit bird with bad teeth that you all like
looking very fetching with pigtails
anytime you like sunshine
by hoodlight on Feb 8, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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