Beckham, Egbert Highlight Camelback Debut
by The Cheat on Mar 1, 2009 5:32 PM CST
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The White Sox opened their new spring training facility with a bit of whimper Sunday. Thankfully, they made it interesting late.
It was great to be able to sit down and watch a Sox game for the first time in almost 5 months, but the Sox didn't provide much excitement early. Spring Training, from this fan's perspective, is about getting to see the Sox future, the unanswered questions, the possibilities. But the only player of any real interest to me in the Sox starting lineup Sunday was the young Cuban, Dayan Viciedo.
Viciedo didn't do whole lot. He didn't embarrass himself in the field or at the plate, but there was nothing he did that would have made you stop and take notice; unless you count his stature, which seemed even shorter than reported. He's more Uribe-like than El Caballo-like in his appearance.
On the mound, Mark Buehrle got the start -- Ho hum -- but Jack Egbert might have made the biggest statement. Egbert tossed 2 innings, facing 8 hitters (7 major leaguers), and yielded just one hit. He was charged with a run thanks to some brutal fielding from Wilson Betemit, but nary a Dodger was able to do anything but hit the ball on the ground against him. I could go on about Egbert's chances, but I've already got a pitching depth post in the queue. Look for that late tonight or early tomorrow.
The game continued into the 9th inning without an earned run scored, without one of the Sox top prospects sighted, until Gordon Beckham woke things up with a leadoff homer deep to left. It's tough to tell from one at-bat, but it appears he's cleaned up the hitch in his swing a bit (as reported).
The rest of the Sox minor leaguers tacked on a couple more runs on zero hits to give the Sox the victory.
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konerko won't be a fucking pansy this year and will take the needle.
GLENDALE, Ariz. – Paul Konerko said he won’t try to play through the pain if his right thumb nags him as it did throughout the first half of 2008.
“The main thing with this year is I’m not going to wait and let it get to where it got last year when I got that (pain-killing) shot,” Konerko said. "Last year, it felt great after that. I won’t wait 25 games. I would get the shot in the spring.
“Also, that’s not a shot you want to get more than twice a year. But it felt really good last year after the shot, and that’s something I’m kicking myself about.”
Konerko said his thumb passed the test after getting jammed early in Sunday’s game against the Los Angeles Dodgers. Konerko initially hurt his thumb after getting jammed by the New York Yankees’ Mike Mussina last April.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
shot?
cocaine?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 1, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GIMME THE SHOT!
GIMME THE CURE!
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Go us.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 1, 2009 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
beckham went yard
hurray!
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by The Wizard on Mar 1, 2009 5:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Check out the Egbert ZiPS prediction in my fanshot
145 IP, 4.54 ERA
by 3E8 on Mar 1, 2009 6:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw it
He was very good in AAA for about 10 weeks… beginning and last two starts, not so much
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by The Cheat on Mar 1, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sell the fuck out of that projection.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Until whose face caves in?
I have to know where to place my bet.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 1, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i understand bally's neck cavity is a bookie.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the funniest visual I've had in awhile.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 1, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but I'd give Egbert a shot before Marquez....
by hitlesswonder on Mar 1, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
most unnecessary post of the century.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone pay attention to Stoney/Hawk?
How’d they sound?
Also—somewhat intrigued by the rumors of an OC “sign and trade” with Toronto.
Anyone here think it’s possible we could somehow land of the 3 lefties from their pen (Tallet, Downs, League)?
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
pretty damn great
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
by Jbasic89 on Mar 1, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt we'd go after a lefty
since we’re happy with Easy Heat and Richard. LOOGYs are fungible. i’d rather get a legit low level arm than an mlb-ready reliever.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tallet has even splits
and Downs has been great against everyone the last two years. League looks like one of the guys KW should have learned not to go for after the 07 fiasco.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it wouldn't be a bad thing i suppose
despite the ’08 signings, our bullpen is still anchored by Easy Heat and Jenks.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried that the 08 signings
have seen their better days
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not that big a deal though
and it’s pretty easily corrected.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what, if Dotel and Linebrink sucked?
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think one of our most dedicated here wouldn't be so apathetic about 20 mil going down the drain
furthermore, Kenny will be inclined not to let them go if they’re giving up gopher balls in the 7th and 8th innings.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
13+ months of us knowing about the contracts sort of makes it kind of an odd thing to be arguing about. again.
do we need a dead horse picture? it’s called a sunk cost.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
such were the times before the economy went in the shitter
Titties were flying out on national TV, gas prices were pushing 4 a gallon and mid relievers on the wrong side of 30 are getting 10+ mil contracts.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
relievers are subject to masset theory too.
and there’s only so much leverage to go around.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to have been easier to find good starters than relievers in recent years.
It seems like every time there’s a good, young reliever in the minors that comes up, he’s batting practice. Getting good consistent relievers is not easy.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
feel free to cite some kind of data...
i read that most of the reliever variance problems were found to exist mostly because of performance on a limited sample was being taken for talent. pretty sure mgl even wrote on that one.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in sum: after the top notch relievers
you’re wringing your hands over totally fungible parts. a starter can relieve or start, but a reliever can only relieve. so i have no idea how it could be possible that it would be easier to find a good starter than a good reliever.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about White Sox only. They seem to have a tough time bringing up relievers.
And lately, there seems to have been a flip-flop where guys who have bee exclusively relievers for years can turn into more than serviceable starters.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox have been more or less the best in baseball
since the beginning of Kenny’s regime in fielding a pitching staff. I’m pretty sure it’s not a big deal.
I’m not even sure what tough time you’re referring to.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm referring to the lack of competent relievers they've brought up in recent years.
It doesn’t make me confident that they can easily replace the type of production they got last year.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the cost to the team been?
according to fangraphs, the Sox have only lost more than a win compared to average once since 2002. in 2008, the Sox had one of the best bullpens in MLB after being slightly below (less than a win) average the past two seasons.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and it was the difference in making the playoffs or not.
Look, I don’t know if you saw 2007. It was bad.
And I don’t know how close you want to be to average considering the mop-up guys on bad teams and otherwise just teams with really bad bullpens. Relievers are usually not so important to developing teams. Competitive teams should have above average pens when you consider that. Most playoff teams recently have had an above average bullpen.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
most playoff teams have above average teams.
that usually leads to at least one of the pen, lineup or rotation being above average. i saw 2007. etc. etc.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
could be because of the way the white sox have drafted pitchers recently...
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know of many good ones that were drafted to be arriving now?
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know of safe ones.
There are plenty of those.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup and safe usually translates into backend or nothing filler.
right or wrong, it’s the power arms that fail as starters that appear to make bullpens, especially the white sox one. and the sox don’t exactly have a history of drafting those.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But we have bad ones.
And we have safe ones. And the safe ones are the bad ones. I don’t know if I’m understanding Colin right, but it seems to me he thinks any mediocre starter can make a decent reliever.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can you throw 92+? you're a bullpen candidate.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The key word there is candidate.
We’ve seen a bunch of those guys become BP.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
duh, but i'll be damned if i know which is which.
you get a bunch. eventually something sticks. throw in some free agent signings and you’ve got a bullpen. you’re making this way too hard.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would generally agree with colin's assessment.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the word?
Fungible. Says it all.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 2, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
League is a hard-throwing, right handed groundball machine
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by The Cheat on Mar 1, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i could be into that.
can we make him start?
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by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also suffered a partially torn rotator cuff in 07
just to let you know. He’s also been volatile in his career. He’s too much like Mike MacDougal for my tastes.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty impressed with your familiarity with random Jays relievers, that's for sure.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him having arm troubles in the past
and I liked him because his stuff seemed so overpowering. But looking at his numbers, it looks like he walks a lot of guys. Maybe he’ll turn into an ace reliever and maybe he’ll turn into MacDougal.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, thanks. I mean Carlson not League.
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why start Poreda's arbitration clock as a 2nd lefty?
Might as well let him start in Charlotte and nab one of these guys…..then again if one one of these Jays lefties isn’t a match/available let’s not forgot Ohman, Beimel, Reyes still sit on the market.
I really think the Sox need two quality lefties (and perhaps Pordea is the 2nd) to deal with Sizemore, Hafner, Mauer, Morneau before Easy Heat……
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which would be why the sox are going to use richard as the second lefty and not poreda.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richard kills lefties.
And he can get some righties out. He’ll be fine.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...i just checked his splits with the Sox last year...
nearly a K per inning against lefties….i assume his minor league splits egainst lefties were pretty solid. Seems like he has the stones at least…
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i highly doubt the season comes down to the 2nd left out of the pen wasn't good enough
Ritchard is fine in that role IMO.
by madvillian on Mar 1, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seems fine to me. like madvillian, i don't worry that much about the second lefty in the bullpen.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah agreed about the 2nd lefty for the most part....
but perhaps a tad more important with the aforementioned left-handed bats on CLE and MIN (and I guess KC)……then again I am sure some of those guys splits are as good against LHP as RHP.
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sound a bit like SSH here, stan.
there are rightys who do just fine getting lefties out. you know, like that guy the sox gave a four year contract to. i realize it must be shocking to learn that such things are possible.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not....please don't connect me to SSH.
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, you're right to now not be that concerned.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've yet to see any indication from the white sox this spring that anyone other than richard is being considered seriously.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have you heard anything?
maybe i missed it.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not much
Maybe you’ll find this interesting, though.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?c_id=cws
And we don’t even know yet whether Titan or Colon will be ready, so it’s all far away in terms of relativity.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 1, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, you've pinpointed why the discussion of it has stopped.
and you shouldn’t post virulent links.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jeffrey marquez
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i want to fuck scarlett johansson.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs will be fine but they will regret the Dempster deal.....
I think he comes back to earth this year.
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you too?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 1, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
She's aight.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 1, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why start beck's arb clock early when his skills are fungible with guys already on the roster?
Season him in Charlotte. Next year he’s ready if he continues to rake.
by madvillian on Mar 1, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
charlotte?
shoot. you guys really want to rush him.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a site where I could find the composite Sox 3B
production in ’08?
by stanchar on Mar 1, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good news!!
by a stroke of luck, Mr. Skin is now following me on twitter.
as a bonus, apparently hes a sox fan.
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 1, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that was very professor farnsworth of you
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Double is the new walk
So let’s have some candidates for the “new walk.” They should be:
1. Easy to understand stats. Nothing that requires too much calculating.
2. Easily get-able online.
3. Something that no one really talks much about, but is brilliant. You know. Edgy.
And the nominees are:
Doubles: …
Close lead protection rate: …
tRA: True run average. …
Defense: …
http://statspeak.net/2009/02/double-is-the-new-walk.html
also
‘Do pitchers control how a ball is hit?’ by Dan Turkenkopf
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/more-on-contact-quality/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 1, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
120 BBs & 120 Ks - The Jim Thome Award
http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/1208
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by The Wizard on Mar 1, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WAR for position players from 1955-2008
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by colintj on Mar 1, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
brian anderson is a quote machine.
“[Paul] Konerko and I talk about how Wise is the new Ross Gload,” said Anderson with a laugh. "The guy can flat-out hit, very Gloadesque. He doesn’t struggle for too many at-bats in a row.
“It wasn’t bad,” said Anderson of his extended play. "I have the attention span of a 3-year-old kid, with 30 toys in front of him, but like I said, it’s good. You get some at-bats and you are able to make some adjustments.
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by larry on Mar 1, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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