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AL Central Corner Outfield WARs

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Changes, Notes, Etc.

I took out the positional adjustment (-7.5 runs) and the replacement level  (20 runs) columns and just include them in the end WAR number.  Instead, it's offensive, defensive, and total runs above average per 150 games played.  I think it's probably easier to look at and see what the hell is going on with so many players to look at. 

Also, I wish I knew how to label google doc graph points, but I don't.  If it isn't apparent, that's each player's oR150 and dR150 plotted via google's x/y scatter plot tool. CHONE projects everyone within the bounds of +/- 2 wins on both axes and by and large the players teams actually want playing a lot fall within a fairly narrow band.  Mitch Meier and David Dellucci are pretty much just there to keep Jose Guillen* company.  

Players And Stuff

I think it's probably unlikely these players aggregate so closely at the end of the season.  Most of these players have caveats attached, like recent injury, age, drastic splits that make for cautious predictions and a wider range of possible outcomes.  This is mostly why I like this approach.  This is basically the available talent and WAR150 is a pretty good insight into true talent, especially when we can look at them in aggregate. 

Detroit has solid depth in the corners backing up an aged Maggs and injury prone Guillen.  Raburn and Thames are nice pieces when not asked to do too much. Raburn has a solid overall game, while Thames is well known for killing lefties. 

Minnesota just has depth.  Well, Span is obviously good and he's basically another center fielder out there.  It remains to be seen just how good he will be with the bat.  Kubel probably shouldn't be on there, as he's a DH and, obviously, a butcher.  Delmon Young is enigmatic, but presumably unbenchable which means doing exactly what with Michael Cuddyer?  He's owed $16 million over the next two seasons for replaceable production.  The end result may well be less than stellar production from disgruntled employees until Bill Smith and Co. find a more soothing arrangement of talent.  Gone unchecked, this is the sort of thing that could lead to...bad team chemistry.  On the other hand, there's still plenty of upside in Young and Span.

Kansas City has a similar problem* and is trying to resolve it by making Mark Teahen into a second baseman.  This will not work, at least in the short term.  To me, it looks like Dayton tying himself into knots out-thinking himself.  If the Royals have to eat the contract and Guillen is going to be nearly replacement level anyway, why not play Teahen in right and tell Guillen not to show up?

The Indians really only have two viable options until Matt LaPorta arrives.  Choo will, like Quentin and Span, get a chance to solidify his breakout and Ben Francisco will probably be boring.  CHONE only sees LaPorta as a league average hitter at this point in his career.  Either way, that's as much as Ben Francisco brings to the table without the upside.  As soon as LaPorta is ready, he's getting plugged in.

All told, it's pretty clear that there are no obviously separate talents in this group and the Sox OF will have to perform beyond what is expected of them for any leverage to be gained here.  Each team has its lottery tickets and some have some anchors to work around, but there are no Mauers or Sizemores here.

White Sox Corner Options, Specifically.

Q! has question marks, for sure.  Personally, I don't know if I'll ever be able to feel like Carlos is invulnerable.  I don't question his resolve, but I do wonder how long he can keep it up.  Maybe that's what makes the Superman references comforting to SSS faithful.  Still, even if he may have come out of his icy winter chamber a human after all, I'm sure he can do at least as well as CHONE projects. Meanwhile, JD is as JD does.  If he stays healthy he'll hit as long as his luck stays even.  Expect twice his projected offensive runs per 150 games if so.  As for depth, there isn't any, unless Dayan spits hot fire all over Birmingham and Charlotte in rapid order.

 

*If he's seriously going to be that bad, the Royals won't let him start, right?  Imagine if the White Sox had signed Brian Anderson to a 3 year contract for $12 Million per that ended in 2010.  There's a decent argument that this was worse.  If CHONE is right, they should just eat the contract.  I don't see anyone else wanting anything to do with Guillen.

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I don't think Q has question marks in the sense of a collapse

He has question marks in the form of “If this a 300/400/580” prime of his career guy or a “275/360/500” prime of his career guy?

Are walking yearly MVP candidate or merely a very good player?

To me, the wild card is Dye. I’ve been predicting the collapse for 2 years now, and it hasn’t come, at least as far as staying mostly healthy.

by madvillian on Mar 10, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dye died in '07, was resurrected in '08.

WYSIWYG: healthy, he’ll be fine. Unhealthy, sub-par,

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How dare you say

that Carlos is not invulnerable.

by KillaAK on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sombody probably saw this before me and already posted it.....

but Rosenthal says that the Dodgers and White Sox are in on WIll Ohman…..what do you guys think? I know most here (and I agree) aren’t too concerned about a 2nd loogy…..but you could do a lot worse than Ohman

by stanchar on Mar 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

do you forget the ex-cub factor?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ex-cub factor...

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ex-Cub Factor is a seemingly spurious correlation that is essentially a corollary to the Curse of the Billy Goat. Widely published in 1990, the hypothesis asserts that since the last appearance by the Chicago Cubs in the 1945 World Series, any baseball team headed into the World Series with three or more former Cubs on its roster has “a critical mass of Cubness” and a strong likelihood of failure.

[link]

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Stembrenner, some ballplayers agonize over their Cubness. “I knew I was in, trouble,” recalls Barry Foote, a catcher who escaped the team in 1981, “when I went to negotiate my contract and Mr. Wrigley’s advisor had to ask me what position I played.”

“Its hard to put a finger on it,” ponders Jim Brosnan, a writer who pitched for the Cubs in the 1950s. “You have to have a certain dullness of mind and spirit to play here. I went through psychoanalysis, and that helped me deal with my Cubness.”

Others, however, have come to terms with their malady. A few weeks ago, Philadelphia outfielder Greg Gross matter-of factly assessed his team’s chances in the coming World Series.

“We’ve got no chance” he said “We have four ex-Cubs. (Ex-Cub Bobby Molinaro is ineligible (or series play.) I’m the only one they could possibly get rid of, because the others are so good, and that would still leave us with three. So they might as well keep all four of us and let me play in the Series. It wouldn’t bother me at all to get there and lose.”

Amazingly, some baseball men remain unconvinced of The Ex-Cub Factor. Gross’s manager is a pugnacious man named Pat Corrales. Earlier this season, Corrales nearly bit the head off a reporter who suggested that this club has too many ex-Cubs to win the upcoming championship.

“Oh yeah?” he snarled menacingly. “Well, you just watch pal!”
http://redbirdworld.tripod.com/cubsdoom.htm

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry i didn't realize someone would have never heard of this no matter what age...

well put again.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hysterical.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry i didn't realize someone would have never heard of this no matter what age...

well put.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"critical mass of Cubness" - BWAHAHAHAHA!

Like a malignant tumor.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you guys f'n kidding me?

will oooohhhhhhh maaaaaaaaaaaannnnnn that sucks!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as he is cheap

the bullpen depth would be welcomed. You must have watched too many Cub games.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will watch for the comedy and for Len Casper to

ask me, "CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?!?! " D-Lee just hit a homerun in mid-may …yes Len, I can believe that.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't have cheaper/better options in our own system?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only person who might

be able to provide that would be Richard, but there is a real chance we need him to start . . . hence the need for some depth. Again, as long as it is cheap.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amusingly, not really.

the only lefties who would arguably be ready for the majors are richards and poreda. richards is fine. poreda, as i think has been discussed ad nauseum, still projects as a starter and, either way, needs to work on his secondary pitches. there isn’t much depth if there’s an injury to thornton/richards or if richards is required to spot start.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooooohmaaaaaaan...

Kenny will find a better option. In Kenny I trust!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why i was unhappy KW let joe torres go.

he’s probably 50/50 to break camp with the rangers as their second loogy and, if not, at least provides an option in the minors.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is that reliever we got back in the swisher deal? LHP or RHP?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nunez is a righty. as is marquez.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BP looks favorably on Ohman.

As a LOOGY he has had pretty good success.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 11, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could probably break camp with the rangers....

I am just asking, Will Ohman or bust? There has got to be someone out there who could bring better value than this guy.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Beimel still out there?

It’s hard to tell if he or Ohman would be better.

by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 10, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't need the cult of beimel here.

false idol

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you just fucking with Jim now?

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how so?

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

richards?

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will Oooooooooooh-Man he's in the f-in game?

"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca

by BoKnows on Mar 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

repost

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Royals fans are a knowledgeable bunch

i.e., every fan I’ve talked to HATES Jose Guillen.

Chicago White Sox Examiner — Your what hurts?

by UribeAuction on Mar 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We sure have lowered the bar

for being ‘knowledgeable’.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Corner OF's in AL Central vs. NL Central

which division has the worse composite?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say the NL central

group will be more productive this year . . . could see Braun, Bruce and Pence all being better this year.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not even close. nl central crushes.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about Braun being moved

is Bruce a Corner Infielder now? I thought he was a CF.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 10, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hear dusty got one of his boys back.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neifi is back?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 10, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The infamous Jacque

plus, they have SSS fav Taveras in CF . . . though I am sure Bruce will play some CF, I believe he is pegged for RF.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

willy t or jerry o?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

death.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I thought you were Willy T’s biggest fan?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no clue what would give you that idea.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was kidding.

You are a fan of good baseball players, not fast bums.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs sucks

Ask Larry

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

liverpool v real madrid

at 2:30 central on espn2 is worth watching as far as i’m concerned.
also, starting now on xm 176 tigers v cardinals!!

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 10, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

john rooney is no communist

he’s doing the cards game right now. i miss him doing the sox games though.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 10, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too...

Yesterday I got to hear DJ compare Poreda to David Price. Favorably.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

recd

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Mar 10, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantasy Draft tomorrow night - Auction

I need some help when it comes to depth.

Any suggestions on a Sleeper for Closer, Starter and OF?

The key to this league is having capable depth because it is a weekly head to head and if you get an injury, you can be doomed.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 10, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like...

Nelson Cruz for an OF sleeper. He’ll be starting this season and has looked good since the mess that was his ’07 season.

He’s projecting at 25 HR, 84 RBI, get a little extra value from 12 SB. He could really help and I don’t think there will be a lot of people gunning to pick him up.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Mar 10, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's getting plenty of love in the projection systems

anyway

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sleepers

all players mentioned are going for around $5 or less in espn auction drafts.

cheap closers: brandon lyon could rack up a ton of saves for detroit, albeit with shitty peripherals. i also like lindstrom, devine, and sherril, and i think corpas ends up closing more than street in colorado. .

starters: erik bedard, gil meche, and aaron harang are guys you can probably get cheap that could pay off with big k totals. and you can probably get jonathan sanchez for a buck, who i think is primed for a breakout year (so does fangraphs, by the way).

OF – i definitely agree with brent about cruz. brad hawpe is undervalued every year for some reason. .280, 25HR, 75R, 100RBI for five bucks is a steal. pat burrell is the poor man’s adam dunn for half the price. other cheap guys i like are jayson werth, adam jones, and shin-soo choo. and travis snider has big potential for a $1 flyer.

by Ryno on Mar 10, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for all the information

very helpful!!!!!!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be real careful

with Devine given his elbow issues.

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

fortunately, you can handcuff ziegler for a couple bucks and cover all the oakland saves for less than it costs to get a middling guy like capps or cordero.

by Ryno on Mar 10, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know many are not

fans of Keith Law, but I think he provides some good perspective on Viciedo and Poreda from yesterday’s game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=law_keith

by jc2313 on Mar 10, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

flagged.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of unanswered questions, Aaron Poreda threw four innings but didn’t show the solid second pitch that everyone in the scouts section wants to see. Poreda’s fastball was, as usual, plus — 90-94 mph with life and sink — and he threw it for strikes, but his slider and change were both below average. He seemed to be working on the slider, throwing more of them than I’d ever seen him throw in a single outing. Based on the varying shapes of the pitch, I would guess that he is still looking for a comfortable grip and release point. The best sliders he threw had more depth than tilt, and he was guiding the pitch rather than just throwing it. His arm slot is still below three-quarters, although it looked higher than it was last fall, which, if true, gives him a better chance to turn his hand over on his changeup or get on top of a breaking ball.

He has a clean delivery that he repeats well; he starts with an exaggerated leg kick (I know some people feel that adds deception; I’m not really sure about that) and takes a long stride toward the plate, and the only real negative is that he doesn’t land firmly and his foot often slips out of place.

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Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you write almost as well as keith law does, old man.

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by larry on Mar 10, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, just wanted to give a "taste" of what awaited at the link...

I don’t like to click through without some idea of what “god perspective” means.

However, I SHOULD have said “snip” so visiting children wouldn’t think I wrote that or was stealing. Stealing is wrong.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*good

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 10, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. I see what I did there.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another snip (not me writing, I would never be so mean)
I really don’t need to see John Van Benschoten pitch again, thanks.

Really, does he have to be so mean? I would like to post there, but he might be mean, so I dont.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Mar 10, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. Ya know, impoliteness can really deter participation...

Btw, did our ’77 team advance yet?

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 10, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on hiatus

but I’ve been told we should find out soon.

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by Nordhagen on Mar 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rain delay ends tonight

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 10, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did you sneak that in before me?

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you wanted to give a preview you could have summed it up as...

“I really don’t need to see John Van Benschoten pitch again, thanks.” – KL

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, like when he said Fields couldn't handle breaking balls.

Scintillating stuff.

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by Sox Machine on Mar 10, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, Jim, we've established that dante is 14.

Oh, wait, that was dasox313. My bad, though occasionally the confusion is warranted.

(ABREU!) ;)

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 10, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quit flirting with the young strapping boys on this site...

freak!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 11, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 11, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you like popsicles?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 11, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meat popsicles... that is.

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 12, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hitler liked dogs.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 10, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you would stop watching at ep 9?

that’s foolish shit, keith. foolish shit.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I'm missing some sarcasm

but yeah, it worked out that way. I actually think it was pretty impressive that I was able to get through the first nine in under 36 hours. And again — they pulled the first season off of On-Demand.

But I see my answer is a resounding yes, I needs to catch the final four from season one. Thanks ya’ll.

by CWSKeith on Mar 10, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's like 4-8GB per season, depending on quality

but holy shit, is it worth it. (wire n00b, only up to ep 8 or 9 on season 1)

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 10, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the 350MB episodes are about the equivelant of 480p quality

I have a really nice HTPC that I use to connect to my HDTV, they look pretty nice on that. I think a slightly higher quality version exists, but it’s not as well seeded.

by madvillian on Mar 10, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mine are about 700MB per

but i think that i looked up the ones w/ AC3 5.1, so there you go.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 10, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kroeger?

Obviously not a starter, but I think he could be called up in a pinch and do ok.

by shaftr on Mar 10, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

paulie put on notice again
“You don’t want to be known as a base-clogger out there,” said [Brandon] Allen of his newfound speed. "You want to be an athlete, that’s what I try to do.

“Every year, I run the bleachers and work on my explosion. Speed can get you hits, even for a big guy like me. I take pride in my average speed that I possess.”

A great deal of pride can be derived by Allen from his current Spring Training showing. For example, Allen finished 4-for-4 with two RBIs in last Friday’s exhibition over Team Australia’s entry in the World Baseball Classic.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090310&content_id=3959652&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

and the pride is spreading…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 10, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

more elite whitesox prospects???

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 10, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hah!

So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 11, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the first leg?

dang pool. dang.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

second

southsidesox.com - now the best place on the interwebs for chicago white sox analysis and discussion.

by larry on Mar 10, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real is 3 in the hole?

dang.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 10, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gasp! Where are the googledocs!!!!???

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 11, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dn, fucked up.

gonna fix it after i publish this new post.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 11, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was easy

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 11, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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