Bartolo Colon Takes "Shaky" First Step Towards Return to White Sox Rotation
by The Cheat on Mar 16, 2009 8:32 PM CDT
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PrintBartolo Colon made a "shaky" spring debut Monday, though I wouldn't classify it a such. Colon, who is coming off minor elbow surgery, struggled with his control and appeared to be throwing more than pitching, especially with his 2-seamer.
I wish we had some radar readings so we really know what he was bringing, but as of yet I haven't seen any. If I was forced to guess, and right now I am, I would say that Colon's 2-seamer was sitting at about 86-87 with good movement (unfortunately too often to the middle of the plate) while his 4-seamer touched 90. Gonzo says Colon was throwing 89, so our guess seems about right. He also showed a slider and a changeup in his 1.2 innings of work.
Colon isn't exactly known for his work ethic, and he tends to build up to max-effort as spring wears on, sometimes he doesn't roll full-speed until the season is in full swing. At this point we have to remember, there are 3 weeks left of spring training, and 4 weeks before the 5th starters spot would be neccessary. So even though the results weren't exactly pleasing, any outing that Colon pitches pain-free at this point is a victory. We'll look for performance and sharpness at the end of camp, and even then it's hard to imagine Colon getting up for an exhibition game.
Does Egbert Have a Shot?
Jack Egbert is making his case for breaking camp with the Sox. While Jeff Marquez has parlayed a mediocre AAA campaign and 5 spring shutout innings against the Cubs into lock status -- He also served up 3 bombs to the Mariners yesterday -- Egbert has been impressive everytime he has taken the mound this spring.
Entering Monday's game, Egbert had yet to allow an earned run in 9 Cactus League innings. He extended that streak to 10 with a 1-2-3 inning in relief of Mark Buehrle, striking out Alex Gordon on an elevated 4-seamer, but ran into a bit of trouble in his second inning of work. Perhaps the best compliment that can be payed to Egbert was that he still looked like a major league pitcher in yielding his first earned runs of the spring. His fastball appeared to have a bit more zip on it, especially the 4-seamer, and the runs he did allow appeared to be a product of poor pitch selection.
Egbert was never really in consideration for the White Sox rotation openings, but he still might have a shot to claim the last spot in the pen. The Sox are going to carry 12 pitchers, which means 7 members of the pen, 4 of which are locks (Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Linebrink), while two more (Richard and Carrasco) seem virtually assured. That leaves one spot open to be filled by Marquez/Egbert/Wasserman (depending on Colon and Contreras' health, obviously).
Gordon Beckham, Future Major League Star
When the Sox first drafted Beckham, I was content, not ecstatic. I was a bit concerned about his swing. It had a bit of a hitch, a Fields/Anderson loop during the load phase. But I noted his improvement year-over-year, a trait I love in prospects, as a reason to give the Sox (and Beckham) the benefit of doubt. It appears like that was a wise decision.
Three weeks into spring, Beckham is the star of big league camp. He's spraying doubles all over the field, playing multiple positions with ease, and generally looking like he belongs. Most importantly, his swing has been cleaned up. It's more compact, Micheal Young-like. I haven't seen enough to make any judgements about his defense, but overall he looks like a future major league star.
And that's the take-away we should have from the first half of the spring, that it appears Gordon Beckham will be a very good player in a White Sox uniform. It doesn't have to be this year. It shouldn't be this year. But sometime in the near future the Sox will have a real, live, homegrown up-the-middle All-Star-caliber player.
That's good enough for me. I can wait.
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hopefully he makes it
“We’re keeping a close eye on him because of the arm problems he’s had in the past,” said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen. “But great job, and he continues to impress everyone. Every meeting we have, we talk about him and his name keeps coming up. We want to see what he can do.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
yes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
gordon beckham:
great white sox player or greatest white sox player?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Even though he has never played a Major League game...
as a White Sox… I am ready to dub him a great white sox player. :)
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 16, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously...
i am kidding. just wanted to make sure you knew.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 16, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
nice of you to point that out
I was about to write a snarky reply ;)
BTW, appropriate use of the word “clearly” would render your reply to yourself unnecessary. For example, you might have written “…I am clearly ready to dub him a great white sox player…”
For the record, if we’re talking player as in the “Players with Yourselves” club, I think he’s legit. ;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
hah. got it.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
i like egbert
better than colon or richard
colon is dead and richards success comes from constantly chanigng his pitch speed between the high 70s and low 90s. Thats a sign of either an amazing pitcher whom can control speed at will or one who doe not have either a fastball or a changeup.
"Press any key to continue, where's the any key?" - Homer
I very much doubt you can make such a judgement about a pitcher like Colon
off 1 outing. Especially, considering since he toed the mound he is obviously not dead.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Future pot pie bitch of mine:
Colon “toes” nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he “platypussed” the shit out of that mound.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 16, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
Im sorry how many inning have the fragile bitches on the Carmines thrown? Okee dokee!
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I must say I have been in la la land
and had not even looked in that thread. What did you guys decide? I would love to come.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Almost as many as the Ccleansed Colon".
And Penny is out. Mano y mano, Smoltz v. Colon. Count was already on the team.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
Don't start the weasal crap
I told you Count would out perform both of your bitches.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I always like to think I have some great insight that other dont saying that spring training means nothing for some and everthing for others
But that seems to be the cw around the Sox. I love Coopery’s quote from the other day about saying how Count was ready to throw 100 pitches and go all out and cooper pretty much said, “yea, that’s not what we need and we aren’t going to do that”.
Meanwhile you’ve got guys like Getz and Beckham that are young and fighting for a MLB roster spot, that competition means something, not how well Colon or Count is doing tryinjg to get ready to do something they’ve been doing for the past decade.
touche!
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
by blackoutsox on Mar 16, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Woot
White Sox signed Tim Raines Jr.
mlbtraderumors.com
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
old link dun
I already asked if he can play the lead off position…?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Scouting mission
Sox general manager Ken Williams returned from a three-day amateur scouting trip. He spent Saturday in Berkeley, Calif., where he saw potential first-round picks Blake Smith and Brett Johnson, both outfielders at California.
Williams already has seen San Diego State pitcher Stephen Strasburg, the prohibitive favorite to be the first pick in the June amateur draft. The Sox have the 23rd overall pick.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-17-white-sox-bits-chicagomar17,0,1649090.story
cal baseball
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/cal-m-basebl-body.html
brett jackson, of
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/jackson_brett00.html
blake smith, of/rhp/1b
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/smith_blake00.html
btw, brian guinn is the SS we draftedin the 10th round in the June 2007 Major League Amateur Draft
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/guinn_brian00.html
2008-2009 stats
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html
2007-2008 stats
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html
2006-2007 stats
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2006-2007/teamcume.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Jackson is killing it this year
sick find wiz
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Crap, I could have been shooting the shit with KW instead of begging for quarters on Telegraph
Next time KW visits the Bay Area, can someone post his itinerary so I can casually drop by? kthnxbai.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
Hope Strasburg falls to them . . .
or maybe they could trade up and get him? :)
Gordon Beckham: Greatest waiter in White Sox history
Birthday surprise: Sox hitting great and first base coach Harold Baines, who turned 50 Sunday, was greeted with a birthday cake in the bottom of the first inning Monday. Presenting Baines with the cake on the field was rookie Gordon Beckham, the butt of a joke last month after admitting he didn’t know who Baines was.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-17-white-sox-bits-chicagomar17,0,1649090.story
A golden opportunity was missed to tie the "Guess Who Wants a Link?" website theme into the headline
‘First attempt to refresh Colon proves painful; yields minimal results’
by 3E8 on Mar 17, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
excellent. :D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to upset Cheat,
but I would contend that “Egbert” isn’t even a major league name. “Beckham” — that’s major league.
yeah, egbert seems more like a bad villain from a video game
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Or a queer puppet in a Sesame Street segment (SSS?). ;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Why Not?
I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying “not this year” about Gordan Beckham? I say why not this year. Wait for what? The history of baseball has many players that went straight from high school to the majors. Robin Yount comes to mind. It’s been stated that this kid has the mental make-up to play in the major league. This time is now for Gordon Beckham!
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear they've already reserved Beckham a spot in the hall of fame
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
i agree, you can either play or you cant.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Just so long as they have that mental make-up
Beckham has it. You think that hair is naturally that big? He is just hiding all his mental make-up under there.
Look, you can either hit and field a ball, or you cant.
Taking crappy bus rides and staying at dive hotels doesn’t make you ready for the big leagues. You don’t know until you get there.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
please, tell us about how your minor league experience was useless for preparing you for the bigs
i’ll go make popcorn. i love a good story
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
read below.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
go ask Beckham if he needs to be in the minor leagues.
If you think the Sox drafted a mental midget just say so…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
my reasoning for holding him back would be the arb. years and seeing more than college / ST pitching
if he’s this big talent everybody’s springing one in their shorts for, he’ll continue to rake in AA/AAA. what’s one year? there’s already a fuckload of infielders that have to be sorted out anyways for this year.
i just mainly took issue with the “the minors won’t prepare him for the bigs” comment.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
what's three months?
if he’s so much better than the other options as some people seem to think, he’ll be up in july.
i am not saying he is better than the other options we have.
I am saying he doesn’t need to play minor league ball to be a successful major leaguer. It’s a dumb argument. You can study for a test all you want, but if you are an idiot you will fail.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow that is a terrible use of metaphor
You are basically making the inverse argument from what you want. Yours would be more apt for a Jerry Owens. He is the “idiot” in your example, and the “studying” is minor league time. And you are right in that case, no amount of minor league time will make him a legit major leaguer. Beckham would be a smart person in this metaphor. But smart people, sometimes even the smartest of people, usually require some studying to do well on tests. So yeah… bad metaphor.
I think it's a rather relevant metaphore.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Tiger Woods studies all the time.
He can get away with “studying” his new swing on US Golf time, since he is singularly talented and wealthy and is seasoned in looking goofy for a (short) while as he irons out his swing.
I wouldn’t put Becks in that league. There is an appreciable talent differential between college, minors, and majors. He’ll move up quickly if he shows he can handle AAA.
Hell. SoB, Willie Mays was sent back to the minors because he couldn’t handle major league pitching.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
that was just the 'man'
holding Willie back.
lol
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that 1-26 start
didn’t help either.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
well good for say hey!
he still got a shot right? It didn’t seem to ruin his career (being sent down) either…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm still trying to figure out where "office hours", "lab time", and "appointments with the TA" fit in the metaphor
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
more importantly
banging the TA
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Mar 17, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO they won't.
How many prospects have spent 3-4 years getting seasoned then get up to the bigs and fail? Minor leagues is no guarantee for success. that is all i am saying.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
and what's the success rate of guys going practically straight from the draft to the majors?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
wasn't there some stats crunching comparing college-drafted players to hs-drafted ones?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
college position players have the highest success rate while HS pitchers have the lowest. but that almost always involves some time in the minors
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Here is the list since 1965 . . .
Success is an arbitrary measure, but I would say close to 50%.
who is "we"?
I am saying let the best man win the job regardless of service time in the Minors or Majors.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
we was me, larry, and tsk
prolly amongst others
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
I just didn't want to be lumped in with a generalization.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
But wouldn't getting some perspective
on the history of such moves help determine who that would be?
look no rebuttal from any of these guys.
when they are proved wrong, they ignore your comments.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
To assess the "best man for the job",
don’t you need to see him working in an environment that can be generalized to his desired level? How can we assess Becks’ readiness after a few AB’s?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not my job to assess him after a few at bats.
This is why I trust the coaches/gm to do the right thing.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Good - if they assess that he needs AAA time
you’ll be hunky-dory with that?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
you can either play in AA or you can't.
you can either play in division 1 or you can’t. you can either play in high school or you can’t. you can either play in little league or you can’t.
why is it that anyone actually plays? you either can or you can’t.
Beckham is Robin Yount?
When did I miss that?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
don't you remember right around the draft
beckham is michael young. beckham is chase utley. beckham is this guy. beckham is that guy. just continuing the trend. remember, beckham’s place in cooperstown is already set up. ask jim. he was there the other day.
Khalil Greene
but only when he was drafted
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 17, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
in no way am i saying he should be a lock for the team.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree to have Beckham start in the minors.
If Getz, or anyone for that matter, can’t play 2B on a daily basis because of hitting woes, then I say bring up Beckham. Ryan Braun won Rookie of the Year, without playing the month of April two years ago.
Let him start in AAA, and then when we need a boost, bring him up.
by slydernelson on Mar 17, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
tell this dude above you to stop replying to my comments.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
maturity
it’s a beautiful thing.
when you make baseball arguments, i will reply. this is completely different than our old attacks which were asked to stop. the point of this site is people talking about baseball. when you make a point in an argument, anyone on here has the right to reply.
so i don’t really see an end in site.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
*sight
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
wow i butchered that one
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
U-God, some don't take kindly to interspersing
your opinion into “their” conversation. (See my sig.)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to talk to you about baseball.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
that's fine
i’m still gonna reply though
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
did I write "i don't want to talk about baseball"?
Or… here is the kicker! “I don’t want to talk to you (U-god) about baseball”?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
every time
you post anything on a public forum that u-god reads, you’re talking to u-god about baseball, whether you like it or not. and he’s free to respond.
if you don’t want to continue the discussion with him, ignore his comments. constantly ragging on him is pointless and annoying to everyone else that reads this blog. please stop, out of consideration for the rest of us.
what the hell are you talking about?
I was asked to ignore U-God, and on numerous occaisains I have asked him not to respond to my posts. SO why don’t you hit the little search button and get the facts before you try coming at me. Of course out of consideration for others.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
what was asked was for us to end the personal attacks on one another
which were getting frequent and pointless. no one said we couldn’t argue baseball anymore.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
baseball arguments turn into personal attacks.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
because i can't have a discussion with any of you without 10 minions jumping out of the woodwork to put their 2 cents in!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
so there.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
hey now, they're not minions...
they’re sycophants!
by Hatchetm on Mar 17, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
they don't have to
and shouldn’t
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
your idea sucks, cowgroper
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
*occasions
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
all i'm asking
is for you to stop bitching when u-god responds to your posts.
you asking him to stop is obviously not working, so just ignore him instead of shitting all over a thread with annoying remarks about how you don’t want him to reply to you. it’s obviously not effective, so what’s the point?
otherwise you’re just a troll.
name calling is real courteous...
btw if you don’t like what I am saying to U-God then don’t read it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So by your "logic,"
the rest of us should merely “not read” your tomfoolery…
But you cannot seem to adapt the same approach in regards to U-god’s responses to you.
Oh, ok.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't take blogging as serious as you all apparentely
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Irrelevant.
I’m just pointing out that your advice to the rest of the site could just be adapted by you instead, therefore saving the hundreds of people who otherwise have to sift through this shit, a giant pain in the ass.
That’s all. Just trying to breathe a breath of life into logic.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
sift through what?
I agreed with someone’s assessment and got attacked by about 10 peoples. Am I not allowed to defend my opinion anymore?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop with the victim crap, SoB.
This is getting old. You get feedback and it becomes personal, then you can’t let it go.
Let it go.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
right... see Brian Anderson
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
he played 4 years of college ball.
how much seasoning does he need?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
3-4 whatever, we are splitting atoms now...
regardless, how will AAA benefit a guy who is ready to play major league ball?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Splitting atoms?
GET DOWN!
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
all right all right
splitting hairs. although we are splitting atoms with this argument.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
now if you want to hold him back because you don't want him to hit arbitration sooner than later, i could see that.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
duh
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
don't "duh" me, that was not the premise of your argument.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
how many dominicans made it through high school?
Nice argument.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
So that tortuous work out schedule and playing baseball hours a day doesn’t make up for the lack of high school?
by Grinder in Training on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
huh?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Dominicans are clearly getting more experience playing baseball than any American kid playing in high school. They aren’t just going from a junior high park district league to minor league baseball. Their entire life is the sport until they come over here.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 17, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that true for most prospects by the time they are in 8th grade?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
American kids are spending hours upon hours in baseball bootcamps? I don’t believe so, no. I think these uber-prospects spend a great deal more time than an average American kid, but by no means do they spend as much time as those in the Dominican.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 17, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
American kids go to school as a way to get a better life. The Dominicans use baseball.
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
the Irish drink
Happy St Patty’s Day, BTW!
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
same to you Nordy
unfortunately, I have two tests coming up and can’t celebrate it. no Smithwick’s for me
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
where is proof of this baseball boot camp?
you mean the baseball camps held in the united states as well?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I read CB's high school line as an analogy
like, why go to high school, if you just learn all that shit on the job? Comparing to, why go through the minors, if he’s going to learn in the majors?
Skipping high school would certainly put you at a disadvantage on the job. Well, at least SOME jobs.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Raines was good from the get-go though
but you can always find anecdotal evidence of guys who didn’t need time in the minors. Beckham is not Raines, or Yount, either. Lets just let him destroy some AA pitching for a while….
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
if he is the best option/player at a position.
he should play there.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok... I think this is the issue
There is no objective way to determine “best.” I will assume you mean it to mean “best for ’09.” Are you really gonna judge that on a handful of AB in spring training? We all know that’s a terrible indicator of success. And while there is a plenty of other evidence to suggest that Beckham could be the best, none of it is overwhelming. Combine that with the fact there have been cases in the past of highly touted prospects being rushed and that having a negative impact on their progress. Combine that again with the fact that a half season of Beckham vs a half season of Getz is not likely to be a sizable difference. Combine that again with the fact that if we break camp with Beckham we lose a year of arb. Now we add this all up and the potential downside outweighs the potential upside. This holds true even if we could look back at the end of the season and objectively determine he would have given us the “best” production in ’09.
by CatBrains on Mar 17, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please stop using logic
Its dumb.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
I agree. I am not saying he should make the big league club.
I am saying he should be given an opportunity based on what he has done thus far.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, you are probably right
I saw he raked at age 21, but he was drafted at 17 (which was a very good year)
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Ryan Zimmerman
played in the ACC for Virginia in 2005.
Drafted by the Nats in June, signed much quicker than our guy, 17 ab and a week of games in the sally league, 233 more AB in about a month and a half of AA, straight into the pros as a twenty year old.
He hit .397 in the bigs, but no HR in his 58 AB.
20 years old and relatively successful in the majors without a lot of minor league seasoning.
He signed much faster than Beckham though, and got about 250 more ABs as a reslut.
Gordon Beckham 1.280 OPS so far this spring
For small town girls and soft summer nights?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
no. for buying your very first beer with a fake i.d.
and staying up listening to queen
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice. Sinatra.
You OPOS. I can hear him singing that lyric.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
Yeah. So was my "for small town girls and soft summer nights" response. Guess only Nordy got that one.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That is correct.
Girls don’t do Sinatra. Peggy Lee, perhaps.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
and TSK
and Brian McGee
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 17, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't want to assume TSK got it just because he replied....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i prefer shatner's version.
sinatra’s? grammy, shmammy
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
nailed it
for a while, I thought it was Homer’s original song. Sinatra is just another artist I never listen to.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
You are not Italian, are you?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
or homer, OPOSaurus rex
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As in Simpson?
I don’t remember that one.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
early episode. i believe he had to quit for a month
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBoYgImWPVI
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
My (Seattle) friend's dad is retired in Arizona and went to the M's/Sox game on Sunday. She sent me this pic he took of Griff at-bat, saying it was a "great Griffey photo."
True ’nuf, it is a good shot.
But better yet and what I told her, is this is Ken Griffey Jr. getting struck out by Contreras. 
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
BP Organizational Rankings, Part 1
24. Chicago White Sox
Last Year’s Ranking: 30
Why They Might Be Better Than This: Gordon Beckham might be ready now; third baseman Dayan Viciedo looks to be in good shape this spring, deflecting one of the main concerns about him; top hurler Aaron Poreda could be big league-ready now out of the bullpen, where his stuff is closer-worthy.
Why They Might Be Worse: Brandon Allen’s Double-A power surge is undependable; Tyler Flowers isn’t really a catcher in the end; Jordan Danks really is a tools over performance guy.
Outlook For 2010: The White Sox could be one of the worst systems in baseball for all of the right reasons if Beckham, Poreda, and Viciedo all end up with too much big-league playing time; if they stay in the minors, the system will look better, but only temporarily.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8629
THT had us as the 15th best farm system...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
these people have no idea what they're talking about.
They probably love the Marlins. //pukes
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Do they go back and look at these later?
I mean, is there some kind of three year check or something to see how accurate the rankings were?
Optimist
sickels certainly does.
i don’t think goldstein has been doing this long enough for a check to be worthwhile, though i suspect that will be coming soon.
white sox team health report
The Big Question: Mark Gonzales, who covers the White Sox for the Chicago Tribune asks, “Can the White Sox get a combined 32 starts out of Jose Contreras and Bartolo Colon?”
The two veteran pitchers combined for just 27 big-league starts in ‘08 (Contreras’ were with the White Sox, Colon’s with Boston), but both pitchers have at least met, if not exceeded, expectations this spring. Contreras has really done his part thus far by showing up in camp ahead of schedule in his rehab from surgery to repair a torn left Achilles tendon. He now appears set to be a part of the rotation when the regular season starts, after initial projections had him returning anywhere from late April to the All-Star break. Achilles injuries are usually fine after surgery, but Contreras’ age (37, more or less) makes it more difficult to evaluate. Is this the beginning of a physical breakdown, or will he be the thirty-start pitcher he had been in the four years prior? Of the two, Contreras is much more likely to approach thirty starts by himself, as Colon has been a wreck since winning the AL Cy Young Award in 2005, destroying his shoulder in the process. He’s had to play catch-up with the team’s other starters this spring after having bone chips removed from his elbow during the offseason. Colon is at least smart enough to attach himself to a solid training staff (more on that below). The other problem with these two is that lately, even when healthy, they haven’t been very good. That makes it hard to imagine a situation in which both pitchers are not only healthy, but also effective. The Sox may be better off if these two basically end up combining for one rotation spot—especially if one of the young pitchers like Jeff Marquez, Clayton Richard, Lance Broadway, or Aaron Poreda can then grab the remaining spot for himself.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8627
Has there ever been a statistical analysis to
Determine how many wins a training staff adds. Clearly keeping guys on the field add’s wins. Just wondering if anyone has taken the time to determine which staff’s are adding more wins than others. At some point it’s not just luck that certain teams players seem to do better than others in regards to health. It would be pretty hard to determine how much impact a staff has, but I’m just curious to see if any of the stat heads have made a go at it yet.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 17, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So is anyone else getting a little bored of spring training?
With the WBC it seems like it will be forever until the season starts — my internal baseball clock is off.
Right now feels like when you hit end of january/beginning of february when you are done with winter and waiting for it to be over.
We need new things to argue about. The position battles seem pretty static to me, the “should Beckham start with the mlb club” nonsense has gone on far too long, yet we have to wait another few weeks to find out the results.
I want real games.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
watching that cuban pitcher pitch through cramps then pull/tear his calf muscle was pretty amuzing...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Mr. Short-Attention-Span,
how about the WBC AND ST? Baseball is baseball, and if you love the game you love watching Venezuela v. PR last night.
Damn meth users. Can’t sit still.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
MLBTrade rumors says a really awesome pitcher might be available
from the reds. One Nicholas Allen Masset. I’m told he has a big frame and throws really hard.
Nick Punto is miscast as a starting shortstop for a team with championship aspirations, and the team should have done better than sticking with Young/Cuddyer/Kubel to split LF/DH between. In addition, Mauer’s back problems could sink the entire season, and Mike Redmond isn’t a suitable fill-in. The roster has talent, but also too many unresolved issues that could have been fixed. If Mauer can’t play 120+ games in ‘09, they’re in a lot of trouble.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Overall C+, eh?
Obviously, categories like “karma”, “magic”. “knowing how to play the game”, and “chemistry” are all overlooked in this assessment.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 17, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget patriotism!!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, if MN had spent more money, they could have won the World Series twice last year
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Wally's comments are awesome...
as they illustrate that he has completely missed the point of the exercise, as stated at the beginning of each organizational ranking.
That he completely missed the point of U-God’s comment was just icing on the cake.
I guess it’s going to take a bit longer for brains in Minnesota to come out of hibernation (assuming they ever do).
;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
"This might be the toughest roster in MLB to gauge. Joe Mauer is an MVP candidate, Justin Morneau is a minor star, " -FG
You would think they have someone edit their work before they post it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Doc
don’t know when you’ll see this, but it came in the mail today.
thanks again
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
excellent, sorry it me awhile to get around to mailing it
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 17, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
do not worry about it
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Dumbass client moment of the day
A lady, in labor (dilating and whatnot) came in to our office asking what to do.
We told her to go to the hospital immediately.
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
I don't know if I'd say your job is better than mine.
But it sure is more interesting.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 17, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
BTB: Optimizing Lineups
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by?login=1237309465
My “optimal” White Sox lineup
2B Getz
DH Thome
SS Ramirez
LF Quentin
RFDye
1B Konerko
CF Wise/Anderson or 3B Fields
C Pierzynski
3B Fields or CF Wise/Anderson/Owens
Am I doing it right?
Its tough for us because not one of our best 5 hitters let alone 3 doesnt hit home runs
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
I think the formula is kind of stupid
Which team has a player that meets even half the requirements?
There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST
Ok, in some definition sure.
I just don’t get how it’s any more of a formula than the traditional assumptions about lineup construction. Do rosters tend to meet those requirements any better?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
well, you'd have to ask jbasic89
but i’m not sure he was saying tango’s was any more or less of a formula – just that he didn’t agree with it.
and since the traditional ones are far more, shall we say, ethereal (“handles the bat” “plays fundamental baseball” “does the little things”), i think you could shoehorn any roster into those.
Kalk Skyman mentioned this at the end (as in "buy this book to learn more about this") of the article, but he did not really elaborate on it....
Obviously organizing your lefties is important to the lineup.
Not just to keep the opposing pitcher on his toes, but strategically, a lefty should also bat after the speedster.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
there are a few reasons. like he said, buy the book. it should be required reading.
one is fielder positioning when a lefty is up and a runner is on. another is that it makes it somewhat harder for the catcher to throw behind the runner to first. there are more.
Yes, I know this. I was implying those reasons in my comment that the lefty should follow the speedster. A lefty batter obstructs the catcher's throw to second, as most catchers are right-handed throwers.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
we don't even know whos going to be in that lineup...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
meant to reply to Berlyn's lineup, but first time posting and forgot to click reply
just saying the further Owens is from possibly in the lineup, the better
lol
someone’s got the dantesox syndrome
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
agreed.
welcome.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 17, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I thought you were JO's biggest fan. wtf?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh shit Brother Mouzone is a Sox fan??
I guess I could see you being a Baseball guy
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
jack mcdowell played in 6 minor league games
before he made the team in 1988.
always good to rush guys through the minors.
i mean, you can either play in the majors or you can’t. nothing else to concern yourself with regarding such a decision.
That was one of the reasons that I think he should do some minor-time. It seems inconsequential when you have 15 other good reasons to keep him there...but the kid is already en route to developing an ego bigger than the whole team.
It would probably do him some good to develop a little modesty.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, now, "developing an ego bigger..etc."?
On what do you base that? You don’t think it was large before reading this site?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
I base it on the history of young athletes who get accelerated into professional anything with all the hype of Jesus Christ Himself.
I said “en route to.” I have no statistics for you.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So a qualifier might be in order.
We don’t know the kid. And the team is keeping his humility sharpened (e.g. Baines ribbing).
I thought perhaps there was some pillow talk you might share with us.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
also the fact that if he is going to turn into an egotistical douchrocket
I doubt a year in the minors will make that much difference. dicks will be dicks.
Probably true....but prolonged dickery never hurt anyone.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
no?
maybe not in your line of work, but there’s a reason viagra encourages a hospital visit after 4 hours of prolonged dickery.
Ohhhh. I just call that "working overtime."
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not particularly interested in making players "pay their dues".
if he rakes in the minors, he doesn’t need to stay down there just because. he needs to stay down there to prove that he can consistently hit baseballs.
i’d be far more concerned about his lack of ability at 2B. it’s axiomatic that players moving to new positions experience a higher rate of injury than those who don’t. there’s little reason to be forcing him to make that adjustment at the major league level since it will only excaberate that concern.
that's interesting (re: higher rate of injury), did will carroll or someone else have data to demonstrate that?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 17, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a very good point
Carroll has talked about this.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Example from 08 Carlos Guillen Health Report
Carlos Guillen Red light:
Here’s an interesting case. In order to save Guillen’s balky knees—as well as the hopes and dreams of their pitching staff—the Tigers shifted Carlos Guillen over to first base………..
There’s also an increased risk any time a player shifts position. This is often caused by the unfamiliarity they have, crossing up footwork or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I’m not saying it’s a bad move to shift Guillen over, especially given the acquisition of Edgar Renteria. I’m just saying it doesn’t change the risk significantly.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Of course. I just have to assume that a young, good-looking, up-and-coming professional athlete who has gotten his knob slobbed by every known sportswriter,
is probably going to get ahead of himself in terms of ego.
In the same way that we are all (jokingly, yet due to a degree of truth) calling him the next best thing since sliced bread….
Our comments are way ahead of what he’s shown us, and his head could easily be too.
Just saying a little “time” couldn’t hurt the guy in this sense.
I hope he can maintain a modest attitude despite all his hype…I’m not a big fan of big egos on the team.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
having him push everyone’s shit in at Birmingham is the way to force modesty upon him. Though I agree with your general point.
It probably also wouldn't hurt for him to get a feel for what life would be like in the minor leagues...
It may just inspire him to be that much more infallible and statuesque.
;P
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
My ";P" signified that I was kidding, larry-san.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought that was for the latter point, not what was in the subject line.
you’re the one arguing he needs time in the minors for non-baseball reasons.
Nope. Just one complete statement there. The subject line set up the second sentence. I thought I was obviously stretching with that entire comment.
And yes, that is me arguing non-baseball reasons for him to stay in the minors….
y’know why????
Because we have so THOROUGHLY COVERED WHY HE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MAJORS THIS SEASON, BASEBALLY-SPEAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who knew I’d log back into the site after one hour, to 60+ new comments about Beckham belonging in the minors this season?!?!
Just trying to bring a fresh perspective to the discussion.
=)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not as much as the welcome party
BA could throw for him. We’re talking a whole different kind of DP…
trying to read between Kenny's lines...
I really think his comments about Becks being major-league ready are intended to juice his confidence. I don’t think its ever been seriously considered by the club to have him go north.
If this notion is true, then that’s just part of building a prospect for future success. Telling/showing him that he belongs in the majors is a good foundation. Just like when the Sox had BA and others travel with the team during the playoff run in 05.
We (as a fanbase) are taking Kenny’s remarks at face value though.
Regardless of whether some people think he should go north, the point is there’s no way the club is going to do that.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Awesome. So Chi cloaked larry and not you....I knew he wouldn't dare silence Mister Nordy!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
he couldn't cloak me on the cloakingest day of his life, even if he had an electric cloaking machine!
besides, then you’d miss my simpsons references. BTW, that was another one there.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Thanks...unfortunately, although I've seen almost all the episodes, I haven't re-watched enough in recent years to catch all the references nowadays.
I must be getting WU-old.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess that means I can still reply...hehe.
I am all for building a player’s confidence, especially in a game that is so cerebral.
But still – don’t you think that the difference is clear between letting BA sit on the bus to the World Series (KW/Ozzie’s decision) and the “confidence/ego-boosting” occurring for Beckham (mostly from sources outside of Sox management)?
I can completely see how planting the on-the-verge-of-MLB seed in Beck’s mind could do him wonders….his goal seems attainable and around the corner…just out of reach….down the block, on the beach…under a treeeeeeeee…..
I gotta feeling there’s a miracle due
Gotta come true
Coming to meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
But that seed was already planted a long time ago.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the confidence-building for Beckham would come from INSIDE
I’m saying that Kenny’s/Ozzie’s comments about Gord being major-league ready is a “leak” intended mostly for Gord. The columnists, radio dudes,(and the general fanbase) have just taken it as a real possibility, which it isnt.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Right on. I interpreted what you said as such - that KW was 'leaking' that for Beck's sake. Like I said, I just kinda thought that seed was planted prior to now ('now' being ST 2009).
I feel like we’ve been having this discussion since last summer. Maybe that’s why it seems so out of control by now.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
probably saw Batman 5 times and played a lot of Sega Genesis
wait, that was me.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Laid much?
Didn’t think so.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
oh, yeah? Lemme tell you about the time me and Vicki Vale were...
wait, that was Batman
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
'Home Run Rate by Pitch Location' By Dave Allen
Carlos Quentin’s HRs are overwhelmingly away and down in the zone, and a large portion of the inside of the strike zone
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/03/home_run_rate_b.php
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Boy, that's not how it looks to me.
A couple low, one VERY inside, and most in the upper-and-lower middle.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
You're clearly looking at it incorrectly
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
High and Inside...
Looks like the place to pitch Quentin
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
shhhhhhhh!!
(the other teams are gonna hear you!)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It kinda looks like they already knew that...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I kinda hope you're kidding as well. ;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
hilarious. :D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged
for stealing my idea
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
that is a strange ass term
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Members should receive a 12 hour ban...
for mentioning Beckham on here. At least for a week. Need a break.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
You're right!...we should lead a rally over to the recommended fanposts where nary a mention of Beckh-....oh wait...nevermind.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
no, push on through
until it becomes “Thats what she said” funny.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
The bad thing is...
people still say it, thinking they are clever and funny. The other night at trivia, some team named their team “that’s what she said” …
when I’m at work at Applebee’s, in the kitchen, a server will go out the “in” door with hot food, and the protocol when doing this is to yell “Wrong door!”
I am always tempted to yell “That’s what she said!”
… But I don’t… maybe I should :(
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
viva la resistance!!!!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Resistance is futile
Today, my coworker heard another person say, “I love nuts. I wish everything had twice as many.”
C’mon.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
That's the thing that makes it so unfunny to me....it's too easy. I could find at least 3 occasions per day in which I could make that joke.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
hey, i was trying to make the convo spill over to one thread
there are members who mention beckham, and then there are members who bitch about members who mention beckham.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 17, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed there are. I am not one of the latter, but I still appreciated your effort to herd the sheep.
However, I did not rec it.
:-D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
We should just get used to it anyway, right? The moral here is that we cannot stop the presence of Beckham.
Just wait til Sports Illustrated greases him up and puts him on a cover.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 17, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
With Nix hurt...
I’m sure the flames are just going to be fanned more strongly now.
Jesus F’in Chr….. I mean… Beckham.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
GLENDALE, Ariz. — On a day that he missed his sixth consecutive Cactus League game because of back spasms, White Sox designated hitter Jim Thome took part in a simulated game — getting dozens of hacks in the cage — and pronounced himself ready to return to game action Wednesday.
’’Everything’s good,‘’ Thome said today. ’’I’m ready to go and excited to play.’’
Hitting coach Greg Walker spent the morning with Thome and said the veteran passed all of his tests with flying colors.
‘’Jimmy looked good,’’ Walker said. ‘’He was having a really good camp before his back started bothering him. I don’t even know what his stats are, but I know he felt dangerous. He hit some home runs, his swing was short, there were a lot of good things going on with Jimmy. Any time somebody has back problems, we don’t take them lightly. But now that two or three days are over, it looks like it was just a little bump in the road.
’’He’s still got a lot in the tank. Jimmy Thome at 38 is still a bad boy. I’m expecting another big Jim Thome year, I really am.’’
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2009/03/thome_ready_to_return_to_white.html
Bad boy... feeling dangerous???
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Francais
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 17, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Good to see the kids in the picture have been warned.
No surprises then.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
haha.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 17, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
WBC press conferences
Press conferences here have been almost comical on several occasions when answers from managers and players haven’t remotely matched up to the questions posed to them.
…
Q. You said Mexico people, how do you evaluate their level of players? As a Korean representative team, have you seen that they have improved so much?
A. Mexico has a very strong—as they see their batters, they have long batters, eyeballs, as far as we know, and one who is working in Korea to play in Korea, they are — they usually run a long fly ball here, they have strong team.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=2708#more-2708
by larry on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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