White Sox Make Cuts, Josh Fields Wins 3B Job
The White Sox sent 13 players packing from major league camp to minor league camp Wednesday, including 3 top prospects, Dayan Viciedo, Tyler Flowers and Brandon Allen.
The Viciedo move is the most noteworthy because his $10MM contract makes him a big name, a news maker, but more importantly, it hands the third base job to Josh Fields. It's not like Fields didn't earn it; first with his commitment to working on his defense in the off-seasn, then with his strong spring performance (both at the plate and in the field.)
Ozzie Guillen seemed disappointedly optimistic when talking about Viciedo's demotion.
"He checked in a bit overweight, but he's a big kid," Guillen said. "That's the type of body he has."
"Maybe he'll play one year in the Minors. But we want to get him ready as soon as we can," Guillen went on. "The talent is there. But its not that easy to make the transition to American baseball."
"The kid's going to be a superstar in this game," Guillen said. "But he's got to play every day. Playing every other day here didn't do him any good."
While Viciedo and Flowers had big league camps that helped illustrate how much development they still need to make before they're able to make some noise at the major league level, Brandon Allen seemed to prove that his breakout '08 was no fluke. Some of you were upset with Allen's assignment to AA, but that's where I wanted him to go regardless of spring performance.
Allen's AA campaign [.275/.358/.614, 14 HR in 153 at-bats (including 2 off of David Price in his AA debut)] could have been classified as an extended hot streak. He's made significant strides in the 18 months, but it's hard to know just how repeatable his '08 campaign was when his time in AA wasn't long enough to escape the extended hot streak label.
Allen has the chance to become an Uber-prospect if he continues his development. He's a big boy who takes big hacks, and started to see some of his doubles turn into HRs last year, though he's never lacked for power. His K/BB ratio has gone from 6/1 in '06, to 3/1 in '07 (at the same level), to 2/1 last year (across two levels). Remember, I love year-to-year improvement. But his strikeout rate remains high, not Josh Fields high, but high enough that you worry about his ability to adjust to major league pitching. If Allen can cut his K-rate and/or continue to raise his walk-rate, he'll prove that his '08 was no fluke, and serve notice as possibly the Sox 1B/DH of the future. And since Konerko and Thome are still around, there's no need to rush him.
I hesitate to bring up the name of another big (black) left-handed first baseman who was similarly blocked by Thome --because such comparisons are never fair -- but Allen is very much in the same position that Ryan Howard was in back in '04. Hopefully Allen can have an '09 season as impressive as Howard's '04 (with fewer strikeouts... and more walks).
Small Sample Size Musical Chairs
Chris Getz has hit an understated .364/.432/.545 this spring while playing solid defense at 2B, and appears to have the second base job within his grasp, thanks in part to Gordon Beckahm's downright human 0-8 stretch. And really that final clause illustrates the ridiculousness of paying too much attention to spring stats.
8 at-bats, the equivalent of two games, have taken Gordon Beckham from having some of the best numbers of any player in baseball this spring -- he was slugging over .900 -- to a below .300 average. It's for this reason that minor and major league track record is far more important than a few spring innings or at-bats when projecting future performance.
Another example: Dewayne Wise, who was hitting over .400 as late as this past weekend, has looked brutal at the plate in recent days and suddenly has an OBP under .300. Wise has yet to take a walk this spring, which is not exactly the type of patience you're looking for in a guy being considered for the leadoff job.
Wise's recent struggles and history of posting a low OBP, along with Jerry Owens willingness to work with Greg Walker (ugh), has Owens name back in the mix at Leadoff/CF. There's a reason I didn't do much grave dancing last week when I wrote that Wise had taken the lead in the leadoff/CF competition; None of the options are desirable.
At least Getz has started to enter the conversation, but as I've said before Getz may be the type of player who takes a month or two to adjust to major league pitching. So even though he has the minor league record of a top-of-the-order hitter, I wouldn't want to see him there until he proves he can get on base.
Speaking of undesirable options, Brent Lillibridge, who might be the Sox only viable backup at short when Beckham finally gets sent to minor league camp, seems pleased with his spring performance.
"A lot can still happen," said Lillibridge, who played center flawlessly Wednesday with three putouts in the first four innings. "As long as I can break camp with the team, that's my goal. I feel I've shown enough at the plate. It's not consistent, but it's spring training, thank God."
Unfortunately, what Lillibridge has shown at the plate, striking out 15 times against 1 walk in 42 at-bats, is entirely consistent with his minor league record. That's exactly the type of production you'd expect from a guy who struck out 60 times in 200 AA at-bats and 149 while posting a combined .311 OBP in 676 AAA at-bats.
Lillibridge simply doesn't have the contact skills or batting eye of a major league hitter. If the Sox bring him North, they'll be playing with 24. 23 if you count their lack of a starting center fielder/leadoff man.
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i just saw a horse give birth
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 19, 2009 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume this has to do with the Lillibridge picture?
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
but yeah, i just got back from foal watch. saw a colt get born. pretty neat
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 19, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VG - rec'd for entering U-God's world and making a funny.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yucky
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 19, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not nearly as gross as human birth
plus the mare gets up and is back to normal like 10 minutes after labor
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 19, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
psh.
women today.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
psh.
pussies.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is interesting
For a minute I forgot you were in Vet Sciences
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
it was not just a random encounter
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 19, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought your efforts to start a family
had borne fruit. (Yes, “fruit” is my word of the day, like “DUHH” is HSA’s.)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings again....
I’ve said it before and i will post again….. As excited as I am for the 2009 season… watching to see if our 4 sophomores can take the next step…. I am truly excited for 2010 and some roster turnover.
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They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 19, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: See what happens when nobody busts out the USA USA USA?
by Trooper on Mar 19, 2009 12:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Guthrie?
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, whatev
don’t see much difference in the matchups anyway…at least we don’t face Venezuela again – until the finals
by Crede's Crew on Mar 19, 2009 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Dunn hates his country and baseball.
But mostly playing 1B.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the longest article (inrecent memory) that ive read
and it was a good one Cheat. thanks bro
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 19, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, this was a great read
I’ve always wanted to know more about Allen. Great job.
by Crede's Crew on Mar 19, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last thought before I close the laptop and fall asleep to Japan/Cuba
We should think of Getz as the White Sox 2B, and Lillibridge as the backup SS until one of three things happens.
1. Jayson Nix is healthy and getting some reps at SS
2. A trade or a waiver claim for another lite-hitting good glove SS
3. You see [Beckham, 2B; Getz, SS] penciled into the starting lineup of a spring game
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 1:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JD can be the backup shortstop
What could possibly go wrong?
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 19, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking thomer
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 19, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can sign pablo
nothing could stop us then
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge ain't gonna make it with that swing/approach. Ever. Unless he's well above average in the infield and outfield.
by dantesox on Mar 19, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we need to be that concerned about Lillibridge?
He’s bad. Jayson Nix is apparently mediocre.
Nix get’s healthy in a month or so, for now we use Lillibridge as a pinch runner & defensive replacement until Nix gets some swings in AAA, proves he’s not awful and takes the job back.
If Nix stays hurt we can always pick someone up. If our utility man is our big worry I think we’ll be OK. If Getz or Alexei gets hurt, then it’s Beckham time. Plus it’s April, when you factor in day’s off, rain out’s, etc.. how many games is Lillibridge really going to play for us? By the time Nix is back, at worse he’s started less than 10 games.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that Nix will not be back as quickly as April - and if he is, the chance to re-irritate his quad is only greater.
I’m sure there is a training plan for his recovery, but I had the exact same injury in my last season playing softball….running to 1B….
And I was not the same again. I had Chinese linaments and acupuncture and all sorts of stretching and light workout to get it back, and just when I thought I was fine and could bike 15 miles with nary a discomfort (about a month or so later), I fucked it up again the first time I had to make that sprint to 1B.
It’s painful as all get out and even though he’ll get more “professional” attention, it’s best to let this type of injury heal fully….which can take a while.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my time line, I was looking at about 8 weeks total so figured he’d be back on the team around May. Give him another 3 – 4 weeks to get healthy, then 4 weeks in the minors to get back up to game speed. I may not have made that as clear as I would have liked, but I don’t think that would be rushing him.
That means we play Lillibridge sparingly for about 5 weeks. I think we should be OK. The one good thing we have going for us, is the guys that Lillibridge is a back up for are young, and probably won’t need as much rest as if he was our RF / DH / 1B back up. Then we’d be in more trouble I think.
While I’m sure you had pretty good health care, Nix has some of the best in the world. Not to mention one person’s quad injury is different than another’s. I’ve also hurt my quad before, and I was pretty useless for quite a while, but I’m not a pro athlete, and I don’t have the same training team he did, nor do I know just how badly he’s hurt.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 19, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keehrist, I'm hoping we don't have to put in a lot of thought about Nix.
Isn’t he our 24th-25th man?
THE GOGGLES! THEY DO NOTHING!
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth thinking about unless you are interested in relying on Lollipop as back-up.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still the 24th-25th man.
I’m more worried about the back of the rotation and our hole in CF. Utility guys can be shaken out of trees.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"more worried?" Well DUHHH. I would imagine that nary a one of us is losing sleep over this topic, but does that mean we can't talk about it? Would you like to engage in another CF/4th/5th starter discussion, hmmmmmm?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to meet you
so I can see smugness up close and personal. ;)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Life-size, baby!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Which is why Lillibridge isn’t that big of an issue to begin with, but it’s one of the few position battles we have left, and CF is just depressing so I’d rather talk about our utility player.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. 8 weeks seems more viable than "April," which on my calendar, I have showing up in about 2 weeks. :) hehe
I also assert that his medical attention is going to be far greater than my own injury’s (there’s a whole debate in whether you believe in acupuncture to begin with) and he’ll be recovered better and quicker than I could have possibly been.
Just mostly pointing out that his affliction is not easy to heal, yet very easy to irritate again.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
What did you think of acupuncture? It’s now a part of my insurance plan (only partial coverage though) so I considered doing it just to see for myself but haven’t got to it yet.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dug it. Did not fix my quad, but I probably could have afforded more treatments than what I did (could not afford more treatments, literally, was the problem...shit's expensive!).
I also had some acupuncture done on my sinuses, which have started acting up in recent years, though never in my life before… and that actually seemed to help in a more obvious way.
I can’t say for sure if acupuncture helped my quad and then my own misuse made it act up again…but the sinuses were noticeably improved.
I am a little uneasy about needles and did not have a huge problem with them even being stuck in my face, in case that is of any concern to you…very minor pains involved.
I’d say give it a whirl if you have enough of a discount to justify it. But in order to see results, you’ll need more than a couple treatments, so be prepared to do it repeatedly if you are serious about healing.
I believe in Eastern healing and medicine, and I’d say a degree of “belief” is helpful in any event.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've found acupuncture to be very helpful
but I think people expect to walk in hurting and walk out miraculously saved. For me, it’s very subtle. I always come out feeling refreshed and my legs feel lighter, fwiw.
Other people that I’ve know to go to acupuncture that didn’t feel anything didn’t seem to be in touch with some of the subtleties of their bodies, if that makes sense.
At any rate, you might as well try it out, GIT. Out here it runs about $80 / session, if that frame of reference helps.
Also, the lady I used to go to never put needles in the area where I had pain. The needles always went in my hands, feet, shins, and ears, so that may have made for a different experience than HSA. Something to ask about, I suppose.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 19, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$80/session was the rate I had too.
Good point about being in touch with your body…
Of course, you also have to factor in diet, exercise, and other conditioning/care before and after the session.
Safe to just say: Results may vary.
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info.
Sounds like it’s at least worth giving it a shot.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 19, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mumbo jumbo pseudo science
fucking bollocks, that’s what acupuncture is
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 19, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
global warming = acupuncture
across the pond anyway
by e-gus on Mar 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clarify...
the bristle end up a brush up your bum =/= accupuncture
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
accupuncture, acupuncture, whichever you prefer
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 19, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great read, Cheat.
Thanks.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Mar 19, 2009 6:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good read.
I believe you are prudent to hesitate when comparing Allen to 2004 Howard. I saw him in ST in 2004 and he was frightening to watch (from an opposing team’s viewpoint). I have not see Allen and thus can’t comment but I’d be careful when tossing that name around. Howard is special in a lot of ways.
Besides, isn’t Viciedo or T-Flow the heir apparent to Eeyore?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling Viciedo is Eeyore's heir....and T-Flow will be AJ's. Allen - Thome's.
Just a hunch.
(I got a message from myself on this).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've yet to see allen play...but like cheat said
if he can break out this year the way howard did in 04….look the fuck out dudes
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Mar 19, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking for an Allen breakout pay attention to his K/BB rates more than counting stats
Honestly, even though I was campaigning for the Sox to trade for Howard in ‘04 — I thought Konerko was easier to replace than El Caballo — his minor league stats didn’t fortell him being a such an offensive force. Sure, you knew he had ridiculous power, but his K/BB rates looked like he would end up as a low-to-average OBP slugger. He made huge strides in his walk rate at the major league level (I’m assuming because pitchers are afraid to give him anything to hit)
Allen doesn’t have Howard’s power. Nobody does. But he still has big power potential. If he can put together another season with 65+ XBH and raises his walk rate well above the 11% he posted last year (15% would be great) while trimming his K rate under 20%…. Allen becomes a prospect of note in all of baseball…. And is penciled into the Sox plans as early as 2010.
Flowers is in a similar situation. He had impressive stats last season at high-A, numbers that seem to indicate he’s got an advanced approach at the plate that will play at the higher levels. But baseball is littered with guys with impressive stats at A-ball (see: Lillibridge, Brent). After the little bit I saw this spring, I fear Flowers could be on a similar path to Lillibridge. When watching his stats roll in this season, we’ll be looking for him to maintain a K/BB ratio near 1:1 (as he posted last year) while jumping a level. I’m assuming he’ll end up at AA with Allen and Beckham 1.5:1 isn’t bad, and 2:1 often plays in the majors, but you don’t want to see a guy take too big a step backwards as he reaches AA and above, it doesn’t bode well for his production at the major league level.
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good information. Thanks.
It would suck in a major way if the Javy trade bears no fruit whatsoever. At least we dumped his salary. And his barren groin.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a fruit.
Pay the lady, already, big shot.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case he is waiting to find out if I need more than the $40 before sending his share,
I cleared the $200 mark with T-dogg’s payment this morning, so our deposit should be kosher for tomorrow.
I’d still like people to send this sooner than later, however.
;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is what i was waiting for.
as soon as have time to figure out what my long dormant paypal account is, i’ll send the money.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know my account number, either.
But “they” knew when I googled their site. “They” know everything.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah larry with the padded pockets
I will offer a reasonably priced security crew to surround you at the SSS meet up.
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks, we'll be reinforced with Mrs. Gus.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
who?
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The woman who married e-Gus.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently you are collecting money
how do you want it sent, etc.? It seems Im a week behind on this whole excursion…
by e-gus on Mar 19, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Refer to the recommended fanposts....instructions fully detailed there.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have an auction payment set to clear on monday morning... you will have your money on monday afternoon.
Sorry for the delay.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 19, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a delay - that is well-within the month. Thank you!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you are saying e-gus's wife wears the pants in the relationship?
LOL
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that she's large enough to kick your a$$.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy about Getz
Disappointment in Lilli. Dude you just can’t strike out that damn much. On the other hand I still love his glove and feel better that he can be a great defensive back up (uribe) and let Nix get healthy.
I am also encouraged by Fields. His glove is definitely better and it seems he may flirt with the over .200 slg % vs career high to signify legit improvement at the plate.
Either way adding Gordon to the mix at some point and I stand behind the White Sox will not suffer at 3b and 2b, which so many seem to want to predict will happen (things like under .700 ops etc)
Finally at this point screw all the garbage and just give the starting CF job to BA and let Wise play from time to time.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 19, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, especially on the CF sentiments. I may be Dewayne's only cheerleader, but I will not deny that BA should have the starting role in most games.
Whatever kept him out of that job last season (GS?) was bullshit.
And I only see him improving at the plate (which has been my problem with him thus far).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be fun / a pleasure
to watch a great defensive CF, esp. one flanked by Mr. Dye and Q!.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Mar 19, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerry owens is sure gonna be pissed
but BA should be the guy patrolling CF right now….Wise can play backup…i feel BA could put up at least semi-decent numbers maybe hitting around .250 and putting out 10-15 HRs and playing his great D
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Mar 19, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
seem to notice that Ozzie still seems to hate B.A.? I’m not dumb enough to think he’s good, but he at least showed promise at the end of 06 and parts of the last two years. No, I know he’s never going to hit even 260 (in fact that would probably be a career high), but he’s clearly our best defensive outfield option. And with a team this bad defensively (and it is), shouldn’t the best guy be out there?
I’m glad Getz looks good, but I never thought much of Lillibridge. Kenny said that he could steal, what, 40 bases and has he even got a stolen base this spring? There’s a reason ATL gave him up. And it wasn’t because ATL thought a lot of Boone Logan. I too, like what Fields has done thus far (I even drafted him for my fantasy team). When Beckham comes up this season, where does he bat in the lineup? Top of the order or lower down?
by Obama4cntrfld on Mar 19, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he "works hard" dude
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting info . . .
I am sure larry was aware, but it was new to me and I am sure others are in the same boat, so I thought I’d share . . . courtesy of one Keith Law. I think Egbert is the one guy left in camp on the 40 man that this would have any ‘real’ effect on.
Expect to see a big wave of demotions across baseball by March 20. After that date, a player on the 40-man roster who is injured in big-league camp must be placed on the major-league disabled list — meaning he gets major-league pay and service time — even if he didn’t have any major-league service time in the prior season. Players who didn’t appear in the majors in 2008 and are hurt in big-league camp can still be optioned before the deadline, and players who are not on the 40-man roster can be reassigned at any time even if hurt.
by jc2313 on Mar 19, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that is interesting
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are going to see BA leadoff for the majority of the season
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
laugh now
Not saying I like the option…
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 19, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i honestly thought u were joking.
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because 6-7-8
are always going to get out, in succession?
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 19, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
points to both you and jim
By Mark Gonzales
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – The White Sox’s leadoff concerns stretch to the left side, where Dewayne Wise and Jerry Owens are vulnerable against left-handers.
Even with C.C. Sabathia and Johan Santana out of the American League Central, Sox manager manager Ozzie Guillen is looking for ways to generate offense against tough left-handers.
Two possibilities are Brian Anderson and Josh Fields, Guillen said.
“I’m not afraid,” said Guillen, apparently willing to use two players more suited to run-producing roles. “I’ve talked to them about it. It’s an idea.”
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i enjoyed this freudian slip.
apparently willing to use two players more suited to run-producing roles
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww yeeeeeah.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 19, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lineup
Today’s Lineup at Giants
Jerry Owens 8, AJ 2, Quentin 7, Dye 9, PK 3, Ramirez 6, Fields 5, Getz 4, Danks pitching.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/heading_to_scottsdale.html
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could this be our opening day lineup?
“Jerry Owens 8”. Oh Lord.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking the white sox will avail themselves of the DH opening day.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from that, smarty.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
MB would be pitching. And where the hell is our 4th batter?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhhh, eff me sideways....(this one's for WU) DUHHHHH!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha, nice!
The clubhouse was buzzing this morning with anticipation of the White Sox facing former shortstop and teammate Juan Uribe. The entire team has a very unique welcome planned for Uribe, who we hope is in the lineup for the Giants.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was reassigned to minor league camp
not that I actually checked up on the matter. Anyways, I hope they bought him a box of doughnuts and some hair bleach.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooo Oooo Uribe!
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was picturing/hoping for his White Castle chariot.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about a turkey leg bat?!?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 19, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Mark Gonzales
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – Bartolo Colon will pitch Friday against a group of Class-A batters at the White Sox’s Camelback Ranch complex at 1 p.m.
Colon is recovering from elbow surgery and threw only 22 of 40 pitches for strikes in his first exhibition start against Kansas City on Monday.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitching to Dayan?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayan is AAA.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
My screen didn’t go that wide, that is why I asked.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reverse layup, with a stutter step
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Yankees/Cubs
Tomorrow I get the opportunity to buy the Yankees/Cubs tickets for $0.25 or $1.10 (Bleachers or upper deck) if I can get through and there are any available (Full Season people have a presale today, mine is tomorrow).
If it’s anything like the Asskicking laid on them out here in the summer of ’05, it should be a great time…though this whole exhibition thing kills the mood a bit…
by Crede's Crew on Mar 19, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
put them together...
and you get the red sox!
by Ryno on Mar 19, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would try to be the first fan kicked out of the new Yankee Stadium
Puke on a cub fan, piss on a yankee fan, and as you are getting escorted out give Jaba the finger and tell the authorities your name is larry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
“and that’s with a lower-case el, motherfuckerrrrrs!!!”
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty cool seeing the Cubs get their asses handed to them here in 05
But then again, I like the Yankees, although they did screw me out of seeing the WSox play here in the ALCS by losing to the Angels…
by Crede's Crew on Mar 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to "Have a good time"?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 19, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the grace period is over
that first week as moderator used up all lar’s patience
by e-gus on Mar 19, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is definitely teetering on a 9 these days...
unless you are a new girl poster, in which case he is an astounding -2.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did liz join while I was gone?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be....who knows.....
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa...we could have a incognito liz lurking around.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 19, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her name is SoxGirl...
I think that larry is going to finger her….. with his penis…
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 19, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you planning on making it out for any of the WSox games at the new stadium?
I have the saturday game in my package, which should be awesome
by Crede's Crew on Mar 19, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one goes out to Hoodie, listening from Peoria.
One foot in front of the other, people….that’s a start.
"I’m a student and don’t have time to exercise," Emma Chawner said. "We all want to lose weight to stop the abuse in the street, but we don’t know how."
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all this talk about lillibridge
apparently wilson bettermitt evaporated
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
by blackoutsox on Mar 19, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Kaiser Soze................poof!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAN'T PLAY SS
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF HE CAN PLAY 2B, HE CAN PLAY SS!
(kiiiiddddddddddiiinnggggg)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it bleeds... it can be killed
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Colbert clears up the past tense of "tweet"/Twitter.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 19, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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