White Sox Still Searching for Leadoff Man
by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 PM CDT
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In a development no one could have foreseen, the combined sucking sound coming from the White Sox center field candidates has Ozzie Guillen pulling names from a hat in his latest search to fill the Sox as-yet-to-be-claimed leadoff spot. The weakness has become so glaring it has lead at least one beat writer to invoke the name Scott Podsednik in a non-ironic manner.
Thankfully, Guillen seems to be taking a much saner approach. Yesterday, we heard the name Chris Getz floated as a possibility for the first time. Though Guillen seems reluctant to throw Getz to the wolves for the same reasons we had 3 weeks ago. Today, he's throwing out the idea of using Brian Anderson (God, no!) or Josh Fields in the leadoff spot against left-handed pitching, which should sound familiar. Although, we used those two unpalatable options to come to the conclusion that we would eventually see Alexei Ramirez get the nod, at least against lefties.
Ozzie's obviously thought about throwing Alexei at the top, but isn't ready to commit yet.
"Right now, it's still early to put Alexei there," Guillen said Thursday. "He's not in the picture right now to be there. Maybe against lefties during the season, maybe we will do that. I'd rather have Alexei as an RBI guy. He is pretty good with people on base, and I don't want to take the opportunity away from him."
Expect this issue to continue into at least mid-May, when Chris Getz should finally start to stake claim to a top-of-the-order spot.
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Mark Gonzales notes that Bartolo Colon will be throwing against A-ballers in a start on Friday. After his shaky outing in his first trip to the mound in game action earlier this week, this seems like a bit of a step backwards.
I'm probably reading too much into the note. Admittedly, I wouldn't be reading anything into a similar move were it Buerhle, Floyd or Danks -- Guys throw in "B" games all the time -- but this just seems like an odd move for a guy with so many question marks surrounding his readiness.
As I was writing this, Gonzo explains, "Colon is pitching in a minor-league game so the Sox can have more control over his work."
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Aaron Poreda got roughed up in an inning plus of work against mostly Giants minor leaguers. Said Ozzie:
"No good. He has been pitching well all spring. He just had a bad outing. I like to see that because you all of a sudden know you are not that good. It brings you back down to earth because it's easy when you're doing well. I like to see that because I want to see how they bounce back the next day."
Meanwhile, Jack Egbert allowed a run in his second consecutive outing, an inefficient 27 pitch inning (2 doubles, BB, K), but at least he was facing a host of major leaguers (and Juan Uribe).
- Larry points out that a poster at Soxtalk talked to Sergio Miranda (A-ball shortstop), who says he's been traded to the Brewers. Take it for what you will.
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if it's a step backwards for colon, it was a planned one.
his schedule that was talked about, i don’t know, last week or something said he was going to be on the back fields on friday.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I missed it, but corrected myself before posting
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't sneaking a peak.
just additionally clarifying that, whatever their reasons, i’m pretty sure it wasn’t something that came about because of his pitching on monday. was going to occur either way.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones likely won't make the 40 man in Texas
at which point, he can ask for a release. Is he worth taking a risk on? He looks toast, but doesn’t KW like him?
by shaftr on Mar 19, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Define risk
If you don’t have to guarantee him anything but the opportunity to play half his games in the best hitters park in the International League, sure. Anything else, no.
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by The Cheat on Mar 19, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's silly. jones can't leadoff.
he’s been unimpressive so far. i doubt he’s going to ask for his release to go to another organization to play for their AAA affiliate.
by larry on Mar 19, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what the hell happened to this guy?
I have never seen a player of his magnitude fall so quickly. I mean everything went at the same time, bat speed, defense, speed. I realize he got a little chunky and has played major league ball since he was 18/19… but what the hell happened?
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
possilble explanations..
he’s actually 5 years older than he says or
he’s off the peds.
by Hatchetm on Mar 20, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
money killed his initiative. See “trust fund children”. Not everyone is unhappy with 2nd place once their financial dreams are realized.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i guess if my dad fired baseballs in my direction to toughen me up,
i probably wouldn’t have a whole lot of motivation to play either.
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
however
the chance to nail hot slutty chicks in every town you visit seems like pretty good motivation to me.
by Hatchetm on Mar 20, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once you've nailed hundreds...
wait, that would never get old.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuckin' A!
tellin’ it like it is, hatchetm, tellin’ it like it is.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 20, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why, why, why...
Why must you even ask
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
by Brush Back on Mar 19, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Go Japan!
Skipping work and doing coke!
by omnipotent grab on Mar 19, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL at that call in the U of I game -- they botched that in every possible way
by CWSKeith on Mar 19, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw U of I... ruined my perfect bracket!
15-16 isn’t bad though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 19, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine too
a-holes
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for "leadoff is not a position" tag
"Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them."
by Cruiser on Mar 19, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
leadoff IS a position.
where have you been?
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Kobe Thai and the Vivid crew, you are correct
;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 20, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie gets mad at Nate's computer
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/03/19/beware-the-dugouts-of-march-the-chicago-white-sox-2009-preview/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 19, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah but PECOTA didn't factor in Beckham's AL MVP season
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 20, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or us cutting Jerry Owens
I don’t know which is more valuable.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 20, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeepProspectus: That is correct. I am #2, behind "guessing."
I had a laugh.
"Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them."
by Cruiser on Mar 20, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
DeepProspectus: You will win 74 games. I have forseen it. That is 11 more than the Pirates. You should be pleased!
OzzieOzzieOzzie: f*** you, BasePuter, 11 more wins than the Pirates is 12
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soxtalk is enlightening
And people bitch about SSS being negative? WTF.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 20, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i could get on a pods bandwagon
if we ripped off his jello arm and replaced it with BA’s arm. granted, he’d be a dual righty, but a man with two right hands is better than the shit we have going on now.
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 20, 2009 1:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matthews Jr., Figgens, Pierre,?,...
I’m afeared something is coming.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Mar 20, 2009 6:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I would rather pick Kenny Lofton off the scrap heap than any of them.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 20, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All this griping - not a single concern about
how I can bring in beverages of my choice to avoid the high costs of the cell
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
by Brush Back on Mar 20, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard a rumor that they will not be raising concession prices this year. I have not sought to confirm it yet.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buy the plastic version of your favorite 5th of choice. (Mine is Wolfschmidt)
wear baggier pants than normal, insert bottle in waist line, order your favorite 32oz beverage and you are set.
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they not make plastic flasks where you live?
If you want to get drunk at the cell for cheap I can’t imagine it would take much effort.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 20, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
0 effort.
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of concessions
Can anyone remember the name of that place in the Cell that serves actually decent beer? Grandstand or something
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 20, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
Its called the southside hitmen grill, its 6.75 for a 16 ouncer of decent beer (Goose Island, Pilsner Urquell etc)… that isn’t too bad IMO
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 20, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
It’s right behind 3rd base, field level. Good deal (ie, for a stadium), it only costs ~$0.50 more than that swill they serve you in the seats for the same size pour.
Wilder Bilked Money from Sox to Fund Struggling Gay Bar
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not driving up from Indy 5/22?
It’s all of <3 hours, right?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the drive up I worry about
it’s the drive back.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
half of the time the line is way shorter.. I’m not saying GI is great but its a good option for a ballpark
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 20, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
compared to lite, goose island is nectar of the gods
I thought those were 12oz pours though…
by Trooper on Mar 20, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beers of the World (iirc) in the corner of the left field concourse....also good if you don't want to drink Miller Lite all night (how could you not??). ;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC...
Beers of the World are 12oz bottle pours for $6+ or whatever it is. This beer stand we speak of behind 3B has 3 premium draft beer taps with the nice 16oz pour. As far as I know that’s the only stand in the stadium serving premium draft. …Although there might be an individual premium sprinkled around here and there in the food concessions, I’m just going from memory here. One of budding PhD’s here may want to do a thorough study on the topic for SSS.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PhD = drunk?
Yeah…I can see that.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 20, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
/burp/
You can follow up the beer study with a dissertation on the whiskey bar in the LF corner. I had a wisdom tooth removed and was at the Cell when the vicodin wore off, that whiskey bar was a lifesaver.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Onion articles, “New Study Finds College Binge Drinking To Be A Blast”
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha! Good article.
“After completing the test and subsequently throwing up all over the place, I could only conclude that downing huge-ass boot beers is really awesome.”
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a grand idea! I'm sure you're right about the beer, though....my last trip to the Beers o the World stand was probably 2005....
I go home craving some Miller Lite!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
programming reminder
today’s rematch against the giants at el rancho is available on free webcast at the white sox website. contreras gets the start.
by larry on Mar 20, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ty
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Programming Reminder
Michigan v Oklahoma
Saturday 3/21, 5:50 EDT
…glorious
Wilder Bilked Money from Sox to Fund Struggling Gay Bar
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uphold Big Ten honor!
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badgers
take out Florida State tonight, my friends.
by palehose67 on Mar 20, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Badger
but I think there’s no way they win
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 20, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why they play the game.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can always hope.
They’re only 2 1/2 point dogs, and the game is in Boise. Who knows.
by palehose67 on Mar 20, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Boilermakers
They’re on the same time as Michigan Saturday. Guess who hogs the high def on CBS? Hellooo streaming video.
Wilder Bilked Money from Sox to Fund Struggling Gay Bar
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ten Champs
get the exposure. You know that, after so many years of being on top.
Good luck Saturday.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise
Boilers are tough this year
coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
Wilder Bilked Money from Sox to Fund Struggling Gay Bar
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still...
West Lafayette Tough < Chicago Tough
by palehose67 on Mar 20, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I don’t recall the Big Ten has a school based in Chicago. (No, Northwestern Pussy Cats don’t count.)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was simpy discussing
toughness in general. Whenever toughness is discussed, I think it is necessary to point out how all other forms are less than Chicago tough. Just ask Kenny.
by palehose67 on Mar 20, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trivial
Turns out, the University of Chicago was one of the founders of the Big Ten and a member from 1896 – 1946 when, according to the Big Ten Wiki, “the University of Chicago decided to de-emphasize varsity athletics just after World War II. Chicago discontinued its football program in 1939 and withdrew from the conference in 1946. Chicago continues its relationship with the conference as a member of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, the "academic Big Ten.”
Alexander Hamilton shot Alexander Hamilton...
by Hazymania on Mar 20, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that.
My best high school buds went to U of C. One was their all-conference soccer goalie. U of C: Not your Dad’s sporting Mecca. Or your kid’s.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they were, of course,
the original Monsters of the Midway. And now U of C is in an athletic conference that includes Brandeis, Emory, NYU and Carnegie Mellon. Lots of great strategy, but the execution leaves a little to be desired.
by palehose67 on Mar 20, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GO GREEN!
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think
you believed in environmental causes.
by Off the bus running on Mar 20, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
;D
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would be a state fan.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 20, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
explains everything doesn't it
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 20, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it does
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 20, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
<^>
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 21, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
got to love any team that scott skiles holds the all-time assists record for!
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he was a raging coke addict whilst doing so!
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 20, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coach sez he needs more intensity. I gotta stay focused.
Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.
by ChicagoPete on Mar 21, 2009 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
<^>
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 20, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The women in my office are freaking out about a mouse in the office
guess who is going to have to bring the trap outside if its caught
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 20, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
U-God!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 20, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mouse?
I bet it’s getting a separation package next week.
(Inside joke.)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This college BB talk is sickening
so let me toss out a possible trade name: marlon byrd. looks like he might split time in LF for Texas. very good obp. was a CF, not sure how good.
by Hatchetm on Mar 20, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe Harriett Byrd would be as competent as our current offerings, too.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 20, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to assume this is the "Sergio Miranda" news
The White Sox traded infielder Sergio Santos to San Francisco for future considerations Friday.
Santos, a 2002 first-round pick of Arizona, was reassigned to the Sox’s minor league camp earlier this month.
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by The Cheat on Mar 20, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unless the guy on soxtalk is really retarded
(possible) he said it was also on sergio miranda’s facebook page that he was traded to milwaukee.
by larry on Mar 20, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future considerations = Tim Alderson!
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 20, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants trade today: AAA inf. Sergio Santos comes from the White Sox for future considerations. Rumored: Jack Taschner on the trading block.
http://twitter.com/GeoffJamesCSN/status/1362827545
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