AL Central SS WARs
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 9:00 AM CST
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Indeed. Peralta is the only one on the list marginally above average for a shortstop, by all of a single run. This despite the fact that he's expected to be the worst defender by far. I have to think Peralta is going to move. It makes the most sense to leverage Cabrera's great glove and move Peralta down the spectrum. He'll likely be a signficantly better fielder at 3B, which leaves his value intact. The Indians will be about league average at the two positions.
Alexei gets the second largest ding on defense, though it probably won't be clear for a while exactly how much his glove is worth there. Most play by play fielding stats hated his work at second but he continues to do well in scouting reports and shortstop is his "natural" position, whatever that's worth. In the very least, I don't think he's likely to be worse than the half win below average CHONE pegs him for. Alexei may well be the best shortstop in the Central, though unless he starts taking some walks, it's unlikely to be by a signficant margin.
The Tigers and Twins are giving away at least a win at short, mainly because they went all field, no punch. The Tigers can obviously afford to sacrifice a few runs for the sake of their pitchers and Polanco and Everett make up the slickest fielding double play combo in baseball. They'll also be throwing Inge out at third, who is Joe Crede good there.
The Twins? They had Punto and Everett last year and couldn't find regular playing time for either. They're similar players and good infielders definitely matter on that carpet. But for serious: Nick Punto is not the single greatest thing to happen to baseball since the lively baseball, no matter how dirt-stained the uniform.
Bottom line: both the Tigers and Twins passed on paying a draft pick for a legit 3 WAR SS in Orlando Cabrera in a year when the division is wide open. Marginal wins should be cheaper in this environment, yet neither were willing to pay up. Punto is getting $4.5M a season through '10 with a club option for '11. Everett is getting $1M on a single year deal. Meanwhile Orlando Hudson is going to make something like $7M, also on a one-and-done, which is a solid proxy for The OC's expected contract. The Twins in particular had no obvious reason at all to commit to Punto. No, that reason was obscure to most, but it's clear enough to me. The Twins signed Punto specifically to screw with SSS faithful. Your heads are set to explode any day now, gentlemen. You have no chance to survive, make your time.
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is there a term for the Twins’ love of guys like Punto? The equivalent of “Chicago Tough” style intangibles taht make their front office go all twitterpated? They can’t use “grindy” as that has been trademarked.
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by BobbySouthSide on Mar 2, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for writing some new stuff. Gotta keep up with all them key-holders....and what the hell are you doing awake at 7? (Or is this on auto-publish?)
Lexi’s going to show us how to play SS this season. Mark it, dude.
Punto, however, can lick my bag.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
whenever you see something posted at something like 9:00 or 3:45, you can assume it's auto.
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Didn't even know the option existed...
Regards,
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by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
"Punto, however, can lick my bag."
I’m assuming this refers to your douchebag, no?
Or do you rock the alligator-skin prada?
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
No, I meant my imaginary ballsack.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
As my peers say of me, "I put the ass in class."
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I'm impressed.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Here are the players set to make the two-day trip to Las Vegas as of Sunday, with the White Sox leaving Wednesday morning.
They are Chris Getz, Jermaine Dye, DeWayne Wise, Josh Fields, Jerry Owens, Konerko, A.J. Pierzynski, Cole Armstrong, Wilson Betemit, Ben Broussard, Tyler Flowers, Michael Restovich, Josh Kroeger, Jayson Nix, Eider Torres and Sergio Santos.
John Danks starts Wednesday night. Jeff Marquez starts Thursday afternoon.
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and
—Gordon Beckham’s ninth-inning home run led one reporter to ask if his swing reminded Ozzie Guillen of any more established player. Guillen came up with Cubs Hall-of-Famer Ryne Sandberg. Not much to live up to there for the eighth pick overall in the 2008 First-Year Player Draft.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Tigers will have a slick defence no doubt and a putride offense from SS and 3B
But Inge/Everett might go a combined 230/280/350.
Imagine if the Sox had two guys with a career OPS+ of 69 and 84, respectively, penciled in for the left side of the infield. Even Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson aren’t worth much with those splits.
Re: Everett
What are the chances that his days of being a super-defensive shortstop are over? I mean — he’s coming off of two injury plagued seasons and turned 32 less than a month ago. I guess what I’m asking is… what is the threshold/level that he can go below (defensively?) before he goes from ‘useful player’ to, well, Nick Punto? If say, he plays the year and is ‘only’ +5 or +10 defensively, he’s approaching replacement level, yes?
he's probably approaching it
but it’s probably a safe bet that he won’t fall below the threshold next season
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Forget Punto,
my head is going to explode from all this new front page content.
Nice, colin. Timely and everything.
I think larry’s raising all the ass. editors’ games…
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
he's our steve nash
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
do not ever compare me to a canadian again.
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would our jason bartlett been better?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
have been*
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
i think it's fairly obvious that i'm the reggie jackson of this site.
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most strikeout ever
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But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
strikeouts*
stupid hands
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
nope, South African
but raised in Vancouver
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
Colon/Contreras
Per Cowley:
Contreras and Colon warming up. Both look strong.
Colon does look very round.
Contreras even dropping his arm down. Impressive.
I'm thinking Contreras found him a nice Cuban model girlfriend and is
focused again this year.
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by BobbySouthSide on Mar 2, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, his head should be clear. Takes a year or more to clear out the ex-wife scar tissue.
And with the burgeoning Cubano pipeline to the Sox he must feel like it’s Havana. If he’s healthy (really) he could give us a good half year.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
He's on the Score talking about them now.
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 2, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Also...
Contreras dropping the arm down isn’t impressive, it’s bad!
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I remembered, too.
Needs to have it 3/4, right? All about the arm slotting, IIRC.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
That's what I'm IIRCing too.
I don’t remember the drop down being anything but bad. And I thought he was using it at times because of arm soreness.
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 2, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I remember him using it almost exclusively in 06 and in parts of 05
he was fucking nasty for a year or so
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 2, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
He never ever used it almost exclusively.
And he didn’t use it in ‘05. It comes out when he’s trying to fight his way through something. When he’s going well he doesn’t use it.
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 2, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Today's Lineup
Anderson cf
Pierzynski C
Quentin LF
Dye RF
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Ramirez SS
Fields 3B
Getz 2B
Richard P
would've liked to see getz at the top
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
I'd just like to see him get on base
one step at a time there, cowboy.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
at least the potential is there
we know what BA can do… but nonetheless, pretty inconsequential
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
I believe you're looking at the Opening Day lineup right there.
Maybe a switch of Getz/Anderson, but otherwise I think that’s it.
Interesting, and potentially good.
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Roland Burris
Nice work again, colintj
Is the major-league ss WAR really 3 wins, or did I read that bit about CHONE predicting Chelexi to be 0.5 wins below average incorrectly? Interesting either way.
BTW, do you have any proof that you actually met with Getz? Perhaps an autographed napkin or something?
I recently watched an episode of the Office, and I’m beginning to suspect that there were no beers had with Getz, much like the “missing” Bruce Springsteen tickets at the Office’s fundraiser auction. ;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
He took a picture. But only one. His flash was broken and the photo was backlit, so all you see are men's figures. And a thumb in the top left corner. Also, he got home to discover he didn't have film in the camera.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
positional average
is the position adjustment plus replacement level. so it’s 2.75 WAR for SS…but that’s also theoretical, in any given year, there’s only 30 starting jobs, so actual average moves around.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
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Abby, I never get a second date! I am sweet and can carry on a conversation. I go out with them or cook for them. I just don’t understand why they never give me a second chance. — HURT IN ROSWELL, N.M.
DEAR HURT: Not all men are “jerks.” Because you are consistently getting the same reaction from every man you date, it is time to seriously consider what you might be doing to chase them away. First, when you are giving oral – and you better be on the first date – do your teeth chafe his penis? Do you swallow? Technique is important. Second, lose some weight. No one likes a fat chick who can’t give good head – ask Crede’s Crew. Finally, deodorant and toothpaste are not expensive.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
wow. Abby's getting really brusque in her responses these days.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
i hope you're taking notes.
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or at least that’s what I assume it means
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
i've never been a dear abby reader, but perhaps i should look into it.
that’s some sound advice right there.
Cashing checks and having sex.
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