AL Central 2B WARs
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 6:57 PM CST
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Nobody screws with Brian Myrow on my watch.
additional unblurry version here
We Can Has Beckham?
Chris Getz, who did in fact make it to spring training and is definitely not murdered, could feasibly hit 5 runs better than that over a full season, but he'd still be below average and the Sox are already giving away runs elsewhere on the diamond. So unless he's a serious defensive whiz, that's a full 2 win deficit to the Tigers and 1 to the Indians . He's a useful piece, but he's also disposable because of his limited upside and lack of marginal utility. Gordon Beckham will be here soon enough, and with him multiple pennants, but I still have a soft spot for Getz. I'd like to see him latch on as a utility infielder after '09.
Meanwhile, neither of the Twins' second base candidates project to beat out Jayson Nix. I'd point and laugh, but I'm sure that'd inspire the Fates to inflict Jerry Owens or The Great Cole Armstrong Experiment on us. Polanco and DeRosa are no great shakes, but they're certainly legitimately talented and barring injury will be significantly better than Getz.
Interestingly, the Sox may well be set to dominate middle infield over the next few seasons in the Central. Between Beckham and Alexei, that's a potential 7 win pairing and there are really no other great middle infield prospects in any of the competing systems. DeRosa and Polanco are well on the wrong side of 30 and in contract years whereas JR will pay Alexei and Beckham no more than $2M combined in '10 and '11.
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Damn you do good work ...
When fully awake.
Thx!
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 2, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure DeRo is going to man the hot corner for now
He’s pretty much played their all spring, maybe we should be looking at Cabrera/Valbuena instead.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 2, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't really change much.
though I don’t know why they’d do it that way. i suppose they know their players best. arrange Peralta, Cabrera and DeRosa however you want. personally, i’d put the best shorstop at short and go from there.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't know how it's supposed to work out
but I’d like to think that, with Cleveland’s third base deficiencies in recent years, they’d have moved Cabrera to short and Peralta to third by now if they were going to have Cabrera at short. It doesn’t make sense to me to stunt Cabrera’s defensive growth either, especially since DeRosa has become a regular 2nd basemen. It’s kind of like they’re playing three players out of position.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 2, 2009 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Shapiro knows nothing.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 2, 2009 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd ask the guys at LGT what they think about it before really railing
on Wedge or Shapiro, but suffice to say I don’t get it.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As an LGTer ….
The hitters that break from Spring Training should look like this (pending injuries, huge surprises, etc…)
C – Martinez/Shoppach (Shoppach with about 75 starts)
1B – Garko/Martinez (am guessing Vic gets 75 starts at 1B this year)
2B – Cabrera
3B – DeRosa
SS – Peralta
LF – Francisco
CF – Sizemore
RF – Choo
DH – Hafner
UT – Carroll
Bench – Dellucci
This assumes 13 pitchers. If only 12, the last bench spot probably goes to Barfield. DeRosa should also get some OF time as well.
So for your projections, you should include Carroll as the Utility guy (like you did with Betemit) and move Cabrera to 2B and DeRosa to 3B.
As to why they haven’t moved Jhonny, that’s been discussed ad nauseum on our site …. but the jist is Jhonny is comfortable at SS, AbaCab is an excellent defender at 2B (just like at SS) and DeRosa is actually an average 3B, but bad 2B defensively.
by talonk on Mar 3, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
having given it some thought
i’m sure there’s probably some contract considerations. it’s always more prestigious to play short. and bUZR doesn’t agree with the average 3B bit re: DeRosa. thanks for the update though.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 3, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep it up, colin.
Good work.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 2, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the over on Getz OBP, great work, LOL at Punto's projection on the sheet
Cheat should permalink the spreadsheet somewhere on the page
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
also, Colin you can embed the spreadsheets in the pages instead of the screen shots
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah? i figured there might be a way but i went with easy.
how so?
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55244
takes some poking around, but it’s not too hard
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
figured it out already.
that look better?
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gob bless google docs.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like the results in the form of a graph.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what a wankman.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
go sit in the fucking corner with your head down.
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me know how your fifth starter debut bet works out.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bet the house.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, who cares, I lose it obama will bail me out
I’m going on record as saying no 5th starter until after aug 6th, fuck it, AIG can do it why can’t i
i get like 5000 to to 5 odds right?
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the looks fucking awesome
google docs are great. i do IT for a political party (not one of the major 2) in New York, every campaign in New York State relies on Google Maps and Docs in some form or another. smart company that google.
by madvillian on Mar 2, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
en fuego!
good job colin!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess they say it's always good to be strong up the middle.......
and if the Sox could nab a CF by 2011 we could be in great shape with Flowers, Beckham, Ramirez and NEW CF.
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Danks?
He’s still a possibility there, no?
by Grinder in Training on Mar 2, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
might throw in the tooth fairy, if we're wishcasting.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A possibility by 2011 doesn’t seem like a complete pipedream for the kid. It’s not like he’s completely useless.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 2, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and neither is the tooth fairy.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the grinder factor?
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
by Brush Back on Mar 2, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Immeasurable for non-Sox players.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 2, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What... Erstad, Swisher, Mackoviak....
They all came over with high grinder ratings… then of course there is the PUNTO scale!
Replacing "Chicago Tough" with "Cuban Pride"
by Brush Back on Mar 2, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ozzie likes josh and dewayne
Josh Fields, who basically would have to play his way out of the third-base job, earned praise from Guillen on Monday after Fields’ two doubles in two at-bats. The manager added that Fields is handling the defensive plays he needs to make. Guillen gave the same sort of high plaudits to center-field candidate DeWayne Wise, who will be making the upcoming two-day trip to Las Vegas.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you guys gotta tell me when i spell shit wrong.
i can’t believe i fucked up “significantly”
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Transactions
Chicago White Sox
Released: RHP Onarkys Paniagua
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=2386
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Mar 2, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"paniagua"
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Contreras and Colon will throw bullpen sessions Wednesday and Saturday, and then throw live batting practice the following week. There’s a possibility they could throw in an exhibition game as early as March 14.
That would give them nearly four weeks of game action before they make their first starts April 10-11 against Minnesota.
That also would give the Sox time to extend left-hander Clayton Richard and Jeff Marquez in the event either Contreras or Colon isn’t ready, as well as prepare the youngsters for a long relief role that will intensify the competition in the bullpen.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-03-white-sox-chicagomar03,0,246188.story
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Over/Under for Twins' stolen bases April 10-11
I’ll set it at 6 and take the over.
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I’m happy to have them for those games, but I wish we had some of the top 3 going vs MN
by Crede's Crew on Mar 2, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle will throw Sunday April 12 if that makes you feel better.
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would have thought you'd just be jizzing in your pants that crede will be back.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sox Opening Day Roster
C AJ, Corky Miller
IF Konerko, Alexei, Betemit, Fields, Getz, Lillibridge
OF Quentin, Dye, Dwise, BA
DH Thome
SP Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Contreras, Colon
RP Jenks, Dotel, Thornton, Liney, Richard, Carrasco, MacDougal (yeah, a little surprise here)
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
per stanch?
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
seems reasonable to me
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Historical WAR
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/r/raint001.htm
h/t http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/rallys_historical_war/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fine Job Colin....
I would like to apologize for criticizing your work done on the catchers. I didn’t realize that you were breaking down all defensive positions. I thought at the time that you were stating our deficiencies at catcher. You’ve obviously put a lot of work into these and I appreciate the time and effort you’ve put in.
Just to clarify, i know there is a lot of sarcasm on this site but, i was a dick to colin for no good reason and feel that i owe him an apology.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
well i did go back and call you stupid last night
if that makes you feel better.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 2, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you should apologize, too, then. dickwad.
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by larry on Mar 2, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well i don't feel horrible about it.
Chances are we will never meet and our lives will only cross paths on this blog. Reading your WAR articles has been very informative. I made a post that i wish i could take back so I apologized. Any name calling back to me is fine…. I have very thick skin and enjoy a good ribbing but, criticizing colin’s work was something that i thought i needed to rectify.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 2, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i rec'd that
simply for the civility. that kind of post is a rarity around here
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 2, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the more you know
Getting two promising pitchers from the Yankees in exchange for Swisher could be one of the better deals Williams has pulled off.
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=275918
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 8:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good to know who's on the payroll
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 2, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So our Opening Day leadoff man (DWISE)....
has a .254 career OBP…..I will still take it over JO.
I wonder if KW’s supposed giddiness could coax JR to give the OK to fish for a new CF….just don’t know who it would be.
One name I will float is Reggie Willits. Not sure about his glove but we know he’s not starting for Anaheim and in 2007 he had a .391 OBP with 430 AB’s.
JR would obviously not have to open the wallet for Willits, just no idea what it would take prospect wise.
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and Yahoo!'s player page does not have Willits even listed as a CF...
so maybe he does not even play it.
by stanchar on Mar 2, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine with wise over J.O.
He showed some clutch down the stretch and was money on the base paths. Willits is an interesting name. With all the money that LAA has thrown around I can’t imagine him getting a lot of playing time. From the few games I watched Reggie play center he looked okay out there… Not the greatest read on balls but, has plenty of speed to make up for it. I’d rate him better than d wise and less than anderson. He doesn’t have much of an arm either. I’m guessing that he is just there to back up Hunter, pinch run, and provide defensive depth in the outfield….
They can replace him with someone in the system but, what they want in return would be a ??? Maybe they would take some of our AAAA crap.
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 2, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Willits?
Grinder v 3.0?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 3, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yes
i can already imagine hawk salivating over the fact that his home is effectively a batting cage
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Mar 3, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'MLB Payroll Efficiency, 2006-2008' By Rich Lederer
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/03/20062008_payrol.php
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 2, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if che learns how to take a walk or two and if
beckham starts 2009, we are going to rock the fuck out of the infield
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 2, 2009 11:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Che will have 10 walks by May 23rd.
mark it, Dude.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 3, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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