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Better Know a White Sox Division Rival: Cleveland Indians

This is the third in a series about AL Central division rivals and the race to be the tallest midget.

Offseason Comings and Goings

In contrast to the Twins, the Indians had an active offseason – and, if you include the midseason deals such as those involving CC Sabathia and Casey Blake, an even more sizeable makeover from the 2008 opening day Indians has occurred. The biggest splash was the 2/$20.5M deal to install Kerry Wood as closer. Coupled with the addition of sidearming groundball machine Joe Smith in the massive three-team deal with the Mariners and Mets, GM Mark Shapiro hopes to convert the bullpen from a weakness to a strength.

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Their other major move was to trade for the versatile Mark DeRosa to (apparently) start at 3B, though he can play all over the diamond. The oft always injured Carl Pavano was brought in to help fill out the rotation.

On the departures list are a slew of players who made up the atrocious 2008 bullpen – Scott Elarton, Brendan Donnelly, Juan Rincon, and Matt Ginter – along with OF defensive maven Franklin Gutierrez.

All things considered, this was a successful offseason for Shapiro. He added the necessary corner infielder and addressed the bullpen. While the rotation still looks to be very much a work in progress, there’s probably only so much you can do in one year if you aren’t the Yankees and he's got enough to throw up on the wall for some of it to perhaps stick.

Offense

A projected lineup: Grady Sizemore CF, Mark DeRosa 3B, Travis Hafner DH, Victor Martinez C, Jhonny Peralta SS, Shin-Soo Choo RF, Ryan Garko 1B, Ben Francisco LF, Asdrubal Cabrera 2B

Bench and Spare Parts: Kelly Shoppach C, Jamey Carroll (INF), David Dellucci (OF), Josh Barfield (INF/OF), Trevor Crowe (OF), Tony Graffanino (INF)

While the Indians have been madeover, the core offense isn’t much different. It is the best offense in the division but it’s not without question marks. The Tribe will be banking on a return to full health and productivity from Martinez and Hafner. Martinez is the likelier of the two to rebound as he has age on his side and a capable catching caddy in Shoppach to spell him. Expect to see Martinez play a significant number of games at 1B in place of Garko. Hafner, on the other hand, is on the wrong side of 30 for a player with his skill set and has had two consecutive seasons of injury-hampered poor productivity.

The Indians will also look to Cabrera and Choo to live up to the projections. Sizemore is going to be Sizemore and another MVP caliber season is on tap. Garko is a rather poor use of 1B but, as noted above, he won’t be playing full-time and is likely keeping a spot warm for their top prospect. Francisco is another weak use of a corner position but is also keeping a spot warm for that same guy. Peralta is a below average defender at SS but his stick makes him more than acceptable.

Star-divide

Pitching

Rotation: Cliff Lee, Fausto Carmona, Anthony Reyes, Carl Pavano, Aaron Laffey

Bullpen and Spare Parts: Kerry Wood, Jensen Lewis, Rafael Perez, Rafael Betancourt, Masahide Kobayashi, Joe Smith, Vinnie Chulk, Matt Herges, John Meloan, Zach Jackson, Jeremy Sowers, Scott Lewis, Jake Westbrook, Kirk Saarloos, Juan Salas

That stab at a rotation is a best guess. If those five - or any five - make it through five turns intact, it will be a shock. While Lee is not going to repeat last season’s Cy Young Award campaign, he shouldn’t regress too much. And then the questions begin. Carmona is coming off an injury ravaged, ineffective campaign. His walks ballooned and his strikeouts disappeared. A return to something closer to 2007 form will be required for contention. One-time top prospect Reyes was impressive for the Indians in six late season starts after being acquired from St. Louis. But based on his past record, banking on him is specious at best - though he has pitched well this spring. And Pavano? He’s penned in as something other than their #5 starter. Meaning they’re relying on a guy who has pitched about 45 innings in the past two seasons more than someone else. And that someone else appears to be lefty Aaron Laffey, who has been the favorite for the #5 spot - though Scott Lewis has had a much better spring and may force his way into the rotation. The Indians sent out 13 different starters last season and this season, while not matching it, is likely to approach double digits. Westbrook is targeting a midseason return from Tommy John surgery and may provide some necessary stability for the run-in. Sowers and Jackson are also in the wings to fill-in. Shapiro appears to be hoping that from all this quantity, sufficient quality will emerge.

With that mess of a rotation, the bullpen will need to be a strength. Wood’s health is always going to be a question but his installation as closer pushes Jensen Lewis back down the depth chart into a set-up role - and everyone else down a spot, too. As Assistant GM Mark Antonetti points out, the difference between Wood and the seventh guy is massive. Lefty Rafael Perez will again be a primary set-up man. Smith’s groundballing ways should provide added seventh inning stability against righties and the return of Betancourt to pre-2008 form could make this an extremely formidable and deep bullpen and take some pressure off the starters, whoever they are.

Farm

Finally I get to talk about a legit prospect.

Matt LaPorta came over as the centerpiece of the Sabathia trade. The 24 year old is a legit 30+ home run talent with plus plate discipline to boot. While initially dismissed as only a 1B, he’s made strides in the outfield and looks like he could adequately perform in LF. He’s likely to start the season at AAA but fans of the Indians’ new affiliate in Columbus shouldn’t get too attached. Both Garko and Francisco will be looking over their shoulders and he provides excellent insurance – or simply a production boost – to an already potent offense.

At some point in this preview I expected to discuss righty Adam Miller. He was projected to make the bullpen – which would have made it downright filthy – but the oft-injured top prospect recently got bitten again. His troublesome middle finger on his throwing hand now requires a complicated surgery which will force him to miss the entire season and may be career threatening. So, instead, I’ll focus on yet another potential starter.

David Huff is a 24 year old lefty who is described as a bit better than the average finesse southpaw. The Indians’ top pick in 2006 has a fastball that reaches the low 90s, a plus change, and a decent slider – and he has excellent command and control of all of them. He had very good numbers across two levels last season. He’s essentially a finished product now but the plethora of backend candidates means that the Indians will send him back to AAA to start the season. He’ll be a top option when Cleveland inevitably needs a starter.

Outlook

This midget is the experts’ favorite but the rotation is sketchy. The offense can carry the club – but only if the pitching isn’t weighing it down too much. With Mauer’s availability questionable, the Indians would be the slight favorite.

Up Next: Detroit Tigers

Previously: Minnesota Twins, Kansas City Royals

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I'm not impressed with the Indians.

Kerry Wood and Mark DeRosa? With that rotation? If they finish 3rd they will be lucky

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 23, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I am not impressed at all either.

They better pray Laporte turns out to be everything they thought he was. Actually they have to pray for a couple of positions.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 23, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first two replies

seal the deal for the Indians winning the Series. Bet your house on it.

by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

If I had to bet my house

on the winner of the Central this year, I think I’d have to go with the Indians. But this thing is a toss-up.

by palehose67 on Mar 23, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll bet your house on it.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, because my prediction last year was completely opposite of what actually happened right?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 23, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I expect a tale of 2 halfs for Clev

The have the pieces, so at some point I expect them to click and play very well.. On the other hand those pieces are big ??? marks and some health concerns so there will be a bad couple months. Sounds like a typical Indian season.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks again Larry

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think that's right.

because there’s no one who is liable to run away with the division and they have an offense that can score some runs, i think the first couple months may be tough as they figure out who their rotation is – but i think a team can afford that in this division. i think they have enough pieces to put something together starters-wise but injuries or just guys not being that good could derail that plan. that rotation could really end up anywhere in the production map.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, the Cavs & Indians win their titles this year.

Okay, now that that’s out of the way, I have to agree with the first two posts. Wood was already hurt (shocker) and did anyone see his photo in the Trib a few weeks ago? He’s as thin as a rail now.

DeRosa had a career year last year and I don’t believe he’s going to match that, and there’s no way Halfner stays healthy. Cliff Lee didn’t have just a career year, but an historic year last year. He won’t be 07 bad, but he won’t be 08 good either.

I think we all here know that the Twins were and are still the team to beat, despite the loss of Mauer for opening day. Sorry for the way I space my posts, if I’m doing it wrong just yell at me. I’m new here; and new to intelligent Sox conversation (it’s so nice to have a site that realizes how much Jerry Owens BLOWS).

by Obama4cntrfld on Mar 23, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

JO is high risk/low reward =)

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

the problem with mauer

is not so much that he’ll miss opening day or opening two weeks. it’s that his injury is to his low back. guess what is a good way to piss off your low back? you guessed it, catching. so that means he probably will be doing little to no catching, at least for awhile. so instead of mauer and, say, jason kubel in your lineup you’ve got mauer and redmond in your lineup (because there’s this guy named justin who plays first and they’ve already got a crowded outfield). we’re talking a serious difference on both offense and defense in terms of runs. we’ll have to wait to see how much time he misses and in what capacity he plays when he comes back but we’re probably talking 2 or 3 wins here. in any division that’s a lot but in the projected to be tight again central it’s potentially huge.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't underestimate the power of the piranha's and the Punto

Punto will probably do the catching now.

Maybe Crede has some treatment techniques for Mauer?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hire Boras?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, and Borat.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sexytime! Or rather, moneytime!!

by Obama4cntrfld on Mar 23, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which link would that be?

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got it

LGT = Let’s Go Tribe, and the story is linked from the bold “points out”. It took me a bit to click through all the links, but I finally got there. I feel old as WU now ;)

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 23, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Left-hander Aaron Poreda now appears a longshot. He will start Tuesday against Cleveland, and pitching coach Don Cooper spent extensive time Saturday morning teaching Poreda to throw an overhand curve that attained marginal success.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/03/roster-decisions-looming-for-white-sox.html

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

haven't heard anything too promising about Poreda

thoughts?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't understand what you mean.

like, he suddenly developed a plus curve or changeup since the start of spring training? is that what is required for promising? there’s a reason this guy needs a year in AAA. he’s a developing pitcher. this doesn’t happen overnight.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that he is supposedly the most promising pitching in the org.

and he has a plus fastball, which was as advertised – but that is it? I haven’t heard anything positive on his offspeed stuff. If they are trying to develop him into a starter it seems this is going to take more than one year in AAA.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

from whom are you expecting to hear such things?

our awesome beat writers who know oh so much about pitching and spend their mornings walking the back fields searching for insightful stories to tell? he’s pitched in like 4 games with the major league squad, a couple that were able to be seen by people not at the stadium. the reps needed to master a pitch is in the four digits. they’re tweaking with his mechanics on his change and apparently are now teaching him a curve. remember how john danks spent over a year developing a cutter? good lord, have some patience. this shit doesn’t happen magically.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course the beatwriters, but here too.

There were some positive vibes about him possibly making the rotation even though most doubted it here out of ST. But, even a role in the bullpen was talked about before Contreras magically got better.

I think he is at least a year away from getting a bullpen spot, and to be a starter he is going to need two more pitches.

I am being patient and see no need to rush him. But, for the shining star of our pitching prospects, I am disappointed.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's bullpen ready now. i don't know what people expect from a reliever. you don't need more than one plus pitch and a decent (if that) secondary.

look at matt thornton. and two more pitches? his fastball is good and his slider is fine. he need to develop something else if he wants to be a starter. but none of this is anything new and none of this should have been expected to change in one month.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alrighty then

I guess I am in the minority for the thinking before ST that Poreda had a chance to be a No. 4 or No. 5 come September, 2009.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

a chance? sure.

not sure what any of what has been said here has to do with what he’d be like after a full season in AAA.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that was shot down in his last 2 appearances, IIRC.

He showed one pitch. Universal feedback that he’s not ready for The Show, and the disappointment of those who’d hoped he’d be ready for an immediate call-up.

Old news.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will do, thanks for the info.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Count off the books next year...

Along with Colonblow there should be 2 open spots for Poreda to fight for…

I am all for the course that he is on. As a high draft/high profile prospect he needs to work on his secondary stuff as a starter. Working out of the pen would hamper his development of other pitches. As he would mostly be situational throwing his +fastball almost exclusively and his slider as an off speed.

I don’t ever remember thinking that he would be ready for a whiff of the rotation this year. Maybe a small cup of coffee in September if the season is over.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 23, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

based on the scouting reports, it sounds like he's done a good job

turning tools into pitching so far, so perhaps this third pitch is just a matter of time. but until it starts to show (and you’ll know from bumps in K rate…plus I’m sure KG/Law/Sickels will update as the season goes), i don’t think you should project him into the rotation. he was seen by many as a possible closer type and the Sox haven’t shown a ton of interest in keeping Jenks so far.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is not like we need him right now anyways.

Maybe by the all-star break if things go south, but they have other/older options to try out first. Now I am all for pitchers getting seasoned in the Minors.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poreda is as advertised...

He only had one plus pitch, IIRC, coming out of the draft… his fastball. His slider was average at best, I thought. But having good control of a plus pitch, and good control of an average pitch, can sometimes land you in the first round. With promising pitchers you can teach things like curves, cutters, changes, 4 seam, 2 seam, splitters, etc.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this article for a multitude of reasons. Mostly because I have said as such:

1. Jenks has evolved into a Pitcher, not just a Thrower, strikeout ratio decline be damned.
2. AJ is completely underrated by most on this site. This is my favorite quote:
This isn’t natural. Players usually vary some from year to year. Also, he turned 30 two years ago. He’s at the point where he should be declining, not treading water. More so, A. J. was a good-but-never-great hitter at his peak—that’s exactly the sort of player most likely to drop off dramatically in his early 30s. Finally, he plays catcher, the position most likely to speed up the aging process.
Not natural? Hell, it’s not human. It’s like he’s a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.
I love AJ. And then, of course, he is predicted to drop off this year. A broken clock is right…how often again?
3. The Sox are maddeningly average re: position players. Yet Paulie had ther worst sOPS+ (94) and he is probably the best candidate for a return to form (now healthy and having his head removed from his posterior during the off-season, should ST stats be believed).
4. KW is clearly frustrating the pointy heads and CW folks equally. I like that Jaffe acknowledges Kenny is confounding his naysayers.

I don’t love the article since Jaffe considers Swisher a “loss” in CF, along with Cabrera and JC! (OrCa, yes, Crede, maybe, but Swisher?) All told, though, nice piece.

PS Where was colin on this? I thought he was in THT’s hip pocket? (Oh, yeah, it’s before noon in AA – colin’s still asleep.)

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

AJ is underrated??

I think most on the site think he is adequate or average. I haven’t seen anyone dismiss him as a major hole on the team. He is an average hitter, whom I wish wasn’t hitting #2, with about average power. Defensively, I think he calls a good game, he is usually heads up and gets under most opponent’s skin. He doesn’t have much of an arm.

His age is to the point where you begin to worry.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes - the same age as you, Bob. I'm worried about you,too. You OPOS.

Seriously, I tend to keep him ranked in the top 3-5 Most Indespensible Playerss of the team just because of how he calls a game and the increadible freakish consistency of his offensive performance. Every year we seem to have a lot of ?‘s going into the new season – big ?’s. AJ is not one of them, and since we now have the Corkscrew as backup I maintain that any injury to AJ finishes us as a contender. I don’t believe too many others on this site think that.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who is the corkscrew, Flowers?

I am actually older than AJ – but I take shark cartilage like Harold (Harold who?) and thus have immense super human powers.

I would think Buehrle, Danks, Jenks, Q!, Ramirez, Floyd and Dye are more valuable. A drop to Flowers, would be a drop but might not be that much of a difference.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

RE: 3

i’m not sure where to get ST stats, but doesn’t paulie usually hit well in ST only to suck and drag down his team in april and may? not big frank though…

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 23, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Konerko

2008 .348 3 dbl, 1 hr
2007 .333 4 dbl, 3 hr
2006 .319 8 dbl, 3 hr
2005 .364 9 dbl 4 hr

Career April OPS .829 (2nd worst)
Career May OPS .701 (worst by far)

So yes he is a slow starter.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

future reference onlysoxfan

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/springStats?team=chw&type=bat&year=2009

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goggles has 5 bombs... that's scary...

now i know why i don’t put stock in spring training stats

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 23, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

i had already read this

and was at work when you posted this shiz.

so ha!

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

OrCa wasn't a loss...

He posted a positive VORP and WARP last year. Crede? Yes. Swisher? Yes. But… you know… there’s that horse thing that I’m not going to beat regarding the last two.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That part about AJ was brilliant.

I have a new sig thanks to it.

It's like he's a cyborg sent from the future to draw 22 walks a season or something.

by omnipotent grab on Mar 23, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

best case scenario:

Hafner plays just good enough to keep LaPorta in the minors.

I think Choo might be one of our least favorite players real soon as well.
Dare I say the Punto of Cleveland? If he hits like he did after the break, yes.

I think the whole field will be in the hunt this season, with as low as 87 games taking the division. I cant wait.

team USA roster liabilities: 3. John Grabow, 2. LaTroy Hawkins, 1. Derek Jeter

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

A brutal, grinding season.

My kind of race. Should be fun. What’s the over/under on first appearance of ledge jumpers? I say after the Tampa series 4/16-19.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

niiiiiiiice

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 23, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry = Don Draper

without the physical stature and sexuality content. But twice the arrogance. A wash.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's this?? WU referencing a current TV series?

I am shocked.
Shocked.

But I love that fucking show. heck yes!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

its hilarious

that your name is lay leigh.

team USA roster liabilities: 3. John Grabow, 2. LaTroy Hawkins, 1. Derek Jeter

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pronounced "Lee," fer chrissakes.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

laporta is going to be in cleveland in june/july either way, methinks. they're paying hafner too much to not give him until then (setting aside further injury, of course).

they’ve got two spots (LF and 1B) where he’d be a clear upgrade and if hafner doesn’t rebound, there’s another. whether he’s just a production boost or replacing really poor production remains to be seen.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

no cleveland for us in April

Looking at the schedule we are not playing them until mid-May, and I am kind of happy about that. That team tends to beat up on us to start the season.

I still think clevaland is the top team in al central. Pitching comparable to other teams, offense is the best of the group (at least on paper). As for DeRosa, I am sure they are not asking much offensively from him, and isn’t he a better defender than Blake (the few times I saw him he was so so)?

by LT_sox_fan on Mar 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

In 2005 we kicked their asses in the first series of the year.

(Well, I remember we won Opening Day 1-0.) Bring ’em on, I say.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

my first thought as well

buehrle faced the minimum that game if i remember correctly

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Mar 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is Buehrle's birthday today

and the sox are off. I’m thinking he’s shooting rattlers with Thomer in the desert today. Big 30.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pure country.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably my most recent memories made me say that

record on openers against cleveland:

’06: 1W 2L
’07: 1W 2L
’08: 1W 2L

by LT_sox_fan on Mar 23, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No '05.

Just as I thought.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd rather face them when their bats

are cold.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox - MLB 30 clubs in 30 days

For anyone who missed the original airing (like me), MLB Network is airing the White Sox edition of 30 in 30 at 4pm eastern today.

by Crede's Crew on Mar 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

haha

yeah, I think Dirty is right b/c I tried watching the NYY one like a week ago and it only gave me a 90 sec clip.

Anyway, I’m home today and plan to watch the WSox one…should be interesting

by Crede's Crew on Mar 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i watched it

no great insights from mitch williams and john hart, but there’s a funny clip of BA goofing around during drills and interviews with danks, quentin, thome, and fields.

by Ryno on Mar 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice diversity there.

BTW, who is the biggest “aw shucks, golly-gee” guy in the interviews? Fields, or Big Jim?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's really close, though

The one time I talked to him, it was so easy to imagine him saying, “HOLY TOLEDO, LOOK HOW SQUEAKY MY ARM IS.”

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of how goofy he looked on Oprah.

It’s easy to extrapolate from there.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You watch Oprah?

OPOS, you’ve gone soft on us!

Praise the Lord.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 23, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasn't he at one point the SS of the future?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that is the name that rings the bell.

Is he still in the Organization??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh

well…good thing we got this Beckham kid.

So KW is trading away minor leaguers for lots of players to be named later….

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

torii hunter?

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Mar 23, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's normally how one fills up minor league rosters.

someone gets promoted, injured, quits, whatever and suddenly you need a 2B in winston-salem, you call up one of these teams who owe you a player and get one.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

better confirmation
Chicago White Sox
Released: 1B Freddie Thon
Traded: 2B Sergio Miranda to Brewers for future considerations
Optioned to Triple-A: RHP Kelvin Jimenez, RHP Jon Link, C Cole Armstrong, 3B Dayan Viciedo
Optioned to Double-A: RHP Jhonny Nunez, RHP Clevelan Santeliz, 1B Brandon Allen

Cuban import Viciedo, 20, impressed observers in big league camp, including manager Ozzie Guillen, by batting .231/.286/.500 with two homers and a double in 26 at-bats. Each of the other players bound for Triple-A Charlotte was acquired by Chicago at low cost: Jimenez on a November waiver claim; Link in a 2007 deadline trade for Rob Mackowiak; and Armstrong as a minor league Rule 5 pick from the Braves in 2005. That’s great value, especially seeing as Link, 25, topped the Double-A Southern League in saves last season (35), while ranking among the leaders in more important categories like opponent average (.223), strikeouts per nine innings (10.48) and fewest baserunners per nine (12.23).

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=2820#more-2820

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link!

Can’t wait for him to stick so all you writers have a field day with his name.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sounds geeky and gay.

i’m sure cheat will be all over it.

by larry on Mar 23, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

For all you investors out there

Dow finished up 499 today to finish at 7,777. Those look like good numbers to me! Take your extra stimulus money and FIRE!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

detroit's bullpen appears to be in mid season form

rodney— 1ip, 3h, 2bb, 3er.
lyon— 1ip, 4h, 4er (back to back to back to back homers by boston)

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 23, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Or "peeking".

I doubt BM has a woody thinking about your Tiggers BKAWSDR.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I had to think about that

LOL! But he could have a woody…that too is unconfirmed.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 23, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, he's right

i dropped acid about 90 minutes ago.

i was imagining a chapter for detroit titled: their pitching projects to be hilarious.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 23, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mazel Tov, Dr. Leary!

Keep the ’60’s alive. Better to drop some Orange Sunshine today as opposed to last night, when all the Tojo references/pics would’ve freaked you out.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yikes

I considered Lyon as a late 3rd closer for fantasy drafts…glad I wound up w/ Qualls in one league and Chris Perez in the other..

by Crede's Crew on Mar 23, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nickname for Lyon - "Butcher".

WWII reference I’m sure only bally, Chi, and Tojo-hating larry will get.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey boys

13 days 20 hours 9 minutes and 14 seconds til opening pitch at the cell

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Mar 23, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

13 days 20 hours 9 minutes and 4 seconds til 2nd pitch at the cell

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Mar 23, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's good to be home

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 23, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Where wuz you?

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by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

the more appropriate question for Mr. God is

“one arm or two?”

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 23, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

KU

and Iowa is one of the most boring states ever

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 23, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quite the news flash, UG.

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by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

try living here.

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Mar 23, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bigotry, it does nothing!

Japan v. S. Korea in the finals.

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by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Racist.

Saying white guys can’t play? What’s his last name? “Gonzales”? Bet the article would be different if he was “Jones”.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still too friggin' wordy.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

You would.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you'd think so...

but I am superb at writing titles.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Girls should not write the word "tit-les".

Reminds me of a “Jeopardy” episode with Sean Connery. “I’ll take The Rapist for $200, Trebeck.”

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by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

(Sits back, puts away the mouse, and just watches.)

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, I didn't know Kenwo had a doctorate in philosophy, taught Buddhism to college students in Cambodia, and had written 4 successful books, most recently published with Harper Collins.

That guy asks me to edit his work.

Nor do I believe is Kenwo my other professor who is now using a cleverly-titled 25-page writing of mine as required reading for her extremely challenging weekly 3-hour course….

Maybe my h.s. teachers who loved my work/titles/wordy writing can be considered bullshit…
But I have accrued several very respected followers since.

Hell, I’d even say the board of Chicago writers who nominated me as a finalist for a Lisagor Award (for a weekly column that I titled myself every week) might beg to differ with ya on this one, lar.

ya cumdumpster.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was waiting for measurements.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 23, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh

i thought kenwo said he likes her titties.

titles makes sense too, i guess.

team USA roster liabilities: 3. John Grabow, 2. LaTroy Hawkins, 1. Derek Jeter

by e-gus on Mar 23, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha! That's not my resume - do you see any work history here?? :P

Those were just highlights related to titling/editing/writing specifically.

And college is very rare in Cambodia (I’m glad you asked – I read his book about it)- the students he taught at the Buddhist Institute in Phnom Penh were extremely privileged and intelligent – not like here where any ol’ idiot can go to college (myself included).

Anyway, I know you were playing, but I had to ‘beg to differ’ with you on this matter.
You mock my writing enough already.

Also, 65-75-85.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't fight your inner-chubby-chaser, Cheat.

Actually, this would probably be more like your inner-fat-fuck-fucker.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 23, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

very true

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 24, 2009 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Am i supposed to be impressed?

The only reason they told you that you write good titles is because you slobbed their knobs…..

They can write the best titles in the industry…but the fact remains that I would still strike either one of them out… so really, what does it matter :-)

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 24, 2009 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mildred orders Alexei to win a Gold Glove (and Paulie's SS tips)
Guillen was the last Sox shortstop to win a Gold Glove, in 1990. Is Ramirez destined to be the next?

“There are so many good shortstops in the American League, so that’s not something I can come out and say,” Ramirez said. “But my wife (Mildred) told me one time I should win the Gold Glove. I don’t want to put pressure on myself, but I do have it in my mind.”

If Ramirez wants to go for the gold, Konerko has a suggestion.

“He’s got a big arm; it’s plenty strong enough,” Konerko said. "He’s going to make a lot of highlight plays this year, there’s no question about that. I know nothing about playing shortstop, believe me, but to me it looks like the biggest fight for him is knowing when to not throw the ball.

“He can get to a lot of them, but when a guy has a ball beat out, he still might want to use that arm of his. So he’ll need to back off sometimes. If it’s not there, it’s not there.”

Besides that, Konerko is looking forward to watching Ramirez play his true position.

“He’s well above average in his range and with his arm,” Konerko said. “You’re going to see some plays made this year; you’re going to see him on (ESPN’s) ‘Web Gems’ a lot. That’s my call.”

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=280828

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Ozzie polishes Jeter's knob
His first day in the White Sox’ clubhouse after signing his first professional contract last summer, Beckham invoked the name of Derek Jeter.

The media weren’t the only ones taken aback.

’’That’s a great statement of confidence, but Derek Jeter is a god of baseball,‘’ Guillen said. ’’You look in the dictionary for God, and Derek Jeter’s picture is right there. I wish he could play like God. When you have [four] rings, make a lot of money, captain of the New York Yankees, good-looking women, no way he will be Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter is God. Derek Jeter is baseball. Everybody else is just trying to play the game.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1488902,CST-SPT-sox22.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 23, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

floyd/danks to get opening day start? buehrle to no. 4?
Manager Ozzie Guillen admitted Sunday that the White Sox are discussing starting Gavin Floyd or John Danks on Opening Day so they can move Buehrle back to the No. 4 spot and give him more recovery time in April.

’’We’re not planning to skip his next start [Thursday],‘’ Guillen said, ’’but we’re going to see how he’s doing after that, see how he feels, and we might go Plan B — sit him down for the following start and put him in line to be No. 4 in the rotation to have more time to bounce back. Gavin would be our No. 1, but since we’re facing Kansas City, even Danks.

‘’I don’t really care about No. 1, No. 2, No. 4, but moving Buehrle back now is something that has come to my mind. I talked to [general manager Ken Williams] about it, talked to [pitching coach Don] Cooper about it. It protects us, but more important, it protects him.’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1490433,CST-SPT-sox23.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 23, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

who, percicesly, would be no 3?

and is there something wrong with Buehrle?
(yes i know its spelled wrong)

Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly

by blackoutsox on Mar 23, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Means he will pitch in the first series against the Twins.

I guess go with
Danks
Floyd
C&C pt. 1
Buehrle
C&C pt. 2

That way, against the Twins we could have Buehrle, one of the C’s, and Danks. Not saying that first weekend is do or die, but we could start off ahead after the first week of baseball.

by slydernelson on Mar 24, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fial.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 25, 2009 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yankees’ Right-Field Competition Ends With Nady as the Winner
The fundamental difference between Xavier Nady and Nick Swisher is selectivity at the plate. Swisher was first in the majors last season in pitches seen per plate appearance. Nady was 113th.

Patience was the hallmark of the Yankees’ offense during their most recent glory years. Hitters waited for the right pitch and ground through opposing staffs. Swisher embodies that approach.

Yet it is Nady, not Swisher, who will be the primary right fielder for the Yankees this season. Manager Joe Girardi said he would use this week to decide the 25-man roster and the regular lineup, but right field was settled.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/sports/baseball/24yanks.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 23, 2009 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

swish is on the phone with beane every night

“common man, just bring me back already. no one appreciates my balls on base, err I mean base on balls like you do”

by LT_sox_fan on Mar 23, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Satchel Paige video

saw this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdTMldbWjE on drivelinemechanics

another satchel video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gsabFEZbnU
this must be from ken burns’ ‘baseball’

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 23, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

note on cleveland rotation: scott lewis named fifth starter.
The rotation lis expected to be left-hander Cliff Lee, right-hander Fausto Carmona, right-hander Carl Pavano, (left-hander) Lewis and (right-hander) Reyes.

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2009/03/lefthander_scott_lewis_named_f.html

by larry on Mar 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Neyer on Cleveland
I like the Indians. I think they’re going win their division. But their No. 1 starter isn’t going to go 22-3 again, their No. 2 starter went 8-7 last season and Nos. 3 through 5 are question marks wrapped in enigmas surrounded by conundrums. So at the very least, it should be an interesting spring and summer in Cleveland.</I like the Indians. I think they’re going win their division. But their No. 1 starter isn’t going to go 22-3 again, their No. 2 starter went 8-7 last season and Nos. 3 through 5 are question marks wrapped in enigmas surrounded by conundrums. So at the very least, it should be an interesting spring and summer in Cleveland.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4015565&searchName=Neyer_Rob&campaign=rsssrch&source=rob_neyer

by The Cheat on Mar 25, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, tell us something new.

Wasn’t that your call for last year, too, Nostradamous? Something about a broken clock…

I’ll take a Pot Pie from you, too, just like your fellow Injun beeyatch Tdogg. He’s PPB #1 and you’ll be PPB #2.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 26, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

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