AL Central Starting Pitcher WARs
It's not stealing if it's on a blog.
As with the position players, there's an approved method for turning projected pitcher performance into runs and wins. When you lay it all out at once, it looks pretty overwhelming, but the core element is FIP. FIP (Fielding-Indepedent Pitching) seeks to accredit those things to the pitcher only those that are definitely within the pitcher's control. According to FIP, this boils down to strike outs, walks and home runs. Once adjusted onto the proper scale, it's denominated in runs per 9 innings, which is exactly what we're looking for. This is basic DIPS theory and FIP itself is well-worn. It consistently beats past ERA in predicting future ERA and as far as us non-proprietary stats folks are concerned, it's the industry standard.
So what happens when you take the projected FIP from the three best projection systems out there for all relevant starting pitchers in the AL Central and combine that with exhaustive analysis and some solid layout choices?
You get this. Truly awe inspiring and highly informative. Very, very useful distillation of a lot of number crunching between CHONE, PECOTA and ZiPS. Mr. Fingers has undertaken a serious task and already has 2/3 of MLB done. And it saved me a serious time committment. But the plagiarist in me couldn't leave well enough alone. So I imported everything into a google doc and sorted everyone by WAR prorated to 180 innings pitched.
It's Neck and Neck!
Quibble if you will with certain projections, but it's pretty clear that the three systems see this as a highly competitive group of pitchers. Everyone except the Tigers have two 3 win pitchers and most have access to plenty 1-2 win sorts as well. The Royals lack comparable depth, which leaves the Twins, Sox and Indians to fight it out for best rotation.
This can turn on a number of factors. To stay Sox-oriented, Gavin Floyd is one. He's not at all liked by the projection systems and, seemingly, not exactly a candidate for an extension given the circumstances. On the other hand, it's finally become standard in saber-circles to at least begrudgingly admit some respect of Kenny, thanks to a litany of moves along the lines of Gavin's acquisition. I think the standard SSS editor position is that he's a good candidate to become a league-average type starter. That'd be a win or so upgrade and an approximate replication of his 2008 season.
Additional complications include Cliff Lee's actual talent level. His 2008 jump in GB rate and subsequent decline in HR make sense together and suggest a new level of performance. But he was a 7 win pitcher in 2008 and is closer to 3 for his career. That's a serious disparity and this analysis may well seriously understate the Indians staff as a result. Liriano and Danks are similarly possible aces that come with their own drawbacks. For Liriano, the question is exactly how good he can be post-TJ. With Danks the worry is the innings increase he saw from 2007 to 2008, though personally I think the Sox track record, his relatively few pitches thrown and his overall athleticism will make it a non-issue. He was a 5 win pitcher last season and can be again.
All in all, though, I think the Twins are in the best position. They aren't too young, but have both talent and depth between Liriano, Slowey, Baker, Blackburn and the hoard of possible back-enders. Not to mention, the Twins teach pitching exceptionally well. Every one of them has at least good command and control and the top three can get the K as well. Like larry, I think the Twins are the favorite to be revealed as the tallest midget when the tiny blankets are thrown off.
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Nick Blackburn is a good pitcher?
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 24, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's "solid"
he’s definitely not as good as the top 3. and i was unimpressed watching him last year.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who has got 2 thumbs and is going to the first series against the Twins?
<—— THIS GUY!
<——
He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 24, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
looks like floyd is our 6th starter
i love linear regressions!
by Hatchetm on Mar 24, 2009 8:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes!
what baseball needs is more math!
by Hatchetm on Mar 24, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I woke up with a headache and this didn't help it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Joke of the Day (No anti-priest remarks regarding boy, priest and closet!)
A woman takes a lover home during the day while her
husband is at work. Her 9-year old son comes home unexpectedly, sees them
and hides in the bedroom closet to watch.
The woman’s husband also comes home. She puts her
lover in the closet, not realizing that the little boy
is in there already.
The little boy says, “Dark in here.” The man says, “Yes, it is.”
Boy – “I have a baseball.” Man – “That’s nice.” Boy – “Want to buy it?” Man – “No, thanks.” Boy – “My dad’s outside.” Man – “OK, how much?” Boy – “$150” Man – “Sold.”
In the next few weeks, it happens again that the boy
and the lover are in the closet together.
Boy – “Dark in here” Man – “Yes, it is.” Boy – “I have a Wilson infielder’s glove.”
The lover, remembering the last time, asks the boy,
“How much?” Boy – “$350” Man – “Highway robbery. Sold.”
A few days later, the father says to the boy, “Grab
your gloves, let’s go outside and have a game of
catch.” The boy says, “I can’t, I sold my ball and my glove.”
The father asks, “How much did you sell them for?” The boy says, “$500”
The father says, “That’s terrible to overcharge your
friends like that… that is way more than those two
things cost. I’m going to take you to church and make
you confess your greed.” They go to the church and the father makes the little
boy sit in the confession booth and he closes the
door.
The boy says, “Dark in here.” The priest says, “Don’t start that sh*t again, you’re
in my closet now”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
introducing baseball's newest team
the miami marlins. they get their stadium and will get a new name.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see how they issue the bonds
if they are issued through the city or county with revenues of the stadium as security on the bonds, they’re f*cked. Won’t happen. if the City or County puts its full faith and credit (taxing powers) behind the bonds, then not a problem. Then Miami or Dade County are f*cked.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazingly, if you click the link, you'd be able to see that.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No larry,
It says the City and County are putting up about 3/4’s the cost…but it doesn’t go into how the bonds are being secured. What revenue stream is paying them back?
Just like the Peotone Airport that Quinn and Jesse Jr. want built…yeah, the state is behind the project…but who the hell is going to buy Airport Revenue Bonds for an airport that isn’t built in this market??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazingly, if you click the link, and then click on the links in the story where the guys says the full financing details are, you'd be able to see that.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit making it so complicated.
Bob is a finance guy. So he says. So he knows.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for holding my hand larry.
this linking stuff isn’t always my cup of tea.
Anyways…I don’t see how this flies with anyone in the Miami area?? Tourist monies are way down in Florida/Miami. They absolutely will have to pledge more than just hotel tax and other various tourist taxes to get these bonds sold. The General fund of the City will have to be pledged and that is something I don’t see flying for a stadium. I see the City dropping out of this deal as soon as they find out they can’t issue the bonds. Not unless some other source of revenue is found.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like someone's in-laws live in/near Dade Co.?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Englewood - near Venice.
But they have some rental property down there that is getting hit pretty hard. No more europeans (hoodie!) renting out their condo’s for a couple months. Plus, their neighbors are hurting from lack of work. Except the bankruptcy attorney that lives next door – he is making a killing. G*d D*mn Attorneys sucking us dry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pound is getting pounded - tourism from across the Pond has dried up.
Miami is in such need of other necessities (cops, schools) and the housing/condo boom is SO over (and is about the worst overbuilding in the country) that Bob, you are correct – they are effed for the next 20 years. I am not exaggerating. 20 years, if not longer.
GD attorneys are providing a service. No one is forced to hire them.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My co-worker is going to France in two weeks for next to nothing.
Florida is a major mess…that is why I am stating that I don’t see these bonds being sold.
Tax Revenue has dropped in half. Governments have no money. Isn’t there a freeze on taxes too?? If I had some additional cash, I would a nice house on an inlet to the gulf and just hold on to it.
GD attorneys give legal opinions on everything I do in my job….I am forced to hire them.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No freeze on taxes.
FL is not the only state in trouble – KS almost filed BK, CA/NY/IL/NV/AZ also all sucking mud. If a hurricane hits within the next decade we’re all screwed here because of how the insurance is now structured.
Agree on RE – clients are buying places in Venice for $250K when 4 years ago they sold for $800K. But getting flood insurance is difficult, and taxes are a beeyatch.
Bad idea for public financing of a stadium – Miami doesn’t generally support its sports teams, anyway.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that basically what they are doing?
Buying a nice house (aka a stadium) and holding on to it. If they had to pay for this thing right away, obviously they are screwed, but that isn’t the case.
They just need to prove they can make this thing multipurpose and get outside revenue out of it, concerts, soccer games, etc.. considering the Marlins won’t be outdrawing the Yankees anytime soon they will have to be creative, but this seems like a great time to do it.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 24, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's never a great time to put up 3/4 of the money for a stadium and not see a nickel of the revenue from the actual stadium.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they get the parking revenue...so a couple of nickels
but that is about it.
I don’t see this going through.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not the stadium.
and i’m sure they’ll be receiving all these indirect benefits, too, so add all these speculative nickels, as well.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm.....speculative nickels
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh details...
foooey.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First they said the stadium wouldn't work
but I wasn’t a stadium, so I said nothing.
Then they said they couldn’t get money from…..
couldn’t finish the idea, but somehow it was funny for a minute.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice close.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
just being honest…it’s the least I can do.
;)
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might get props from others.
Here, performance counts. You want honest self-disclosure, go to Dr. Phil. YPOS.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should dig up
some of that weed that Colin has buried in his back yard and you’ll finish it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't expecting the bonds to be paid back in a year.
At some point the economy will turn around (obviously not all the way back right any time soon, but that doesn’t matter), probably can build the stadium for cheaper than they will be able to in a few years, while at the same time the tourism money will start coming back in again at some point. Unless global warming makes Miami unbearable in the next 5 years, I don’t imagine people are going to stop going there for vacation when the recession ends.
It would seem like just about the best time to get this done if you ask me. Solid interest rates, probably lowered costs for just about everything that is going into the stadium, and an economy that can’t really get much worse there.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 24, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree with the whole concept of public funding in Miami for a ballpark.
Bad, bad idea. Plus, think Tojo economy down there for the next 10 years. Who exactly can afford to travel these days? Not the “hoi”, as colin lieks to refer to the masses. It’s gonna be bad down there for a long time. I agree with interest rates/materials costs being low, but the economy sure as hell can get worse, and it will. IMO.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the economy won't be good for at least a few years
I’m not disagreeing with you there. I do think it will improve over the long run though just because it always does, and when that happens, these bonds won’t seem bad at all. Just like anything else right now, going to be taking a hit for a while, but in the end it’ll be fine.
I think Miami will have to bargain for a bit more (% of revenue from non-baseball games for example), but they should be able to get this done.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 24, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think the bonds can be sold
unless Miami pledges more than tourism taxes. Which would be utterly stupid…especially for 3/4’s the cost of the stadium.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one good thing
about these projections: it will serve as plenty of ammunition against my buddy’s belief that Lance Broadway will ever be a decent pitcher in the Majors. HAHA! Hope Gavin can do a little better than this though. Interesting that it projects Contreras to be better than Floyd, given age and injury history.
by Obama4cntrfld on Mar 24, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is your buddy's name Phil Rogers?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure about prorating it to 180 innings
because isnt the ability of a pitcher to throw more innings automatically make them more valuable?
Is this an attempt to show who is the better staff if everyone’s staff throws the same innings? I guess i just struggle to understand how this is an effective comparison tool when i think of some pitchers’ ability to consistently throw 200+ innings to be part of what makes them so valuable
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Mar 24, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
flagged.
criticizing colin. hurry, someone get to his apartment and pour the whiskey down the drain.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a co-op.
you’ll never find all of the whiskey.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking hippies, huh.
yeah, you guys have probably buried it in the backyard or something.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, man.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great photo
That tree-sitting protest in Berkeley, CA was pretty amusing. Those tree are nice, certainly better than a new gym for student-athletes, but FFS.
Seems to me it should have been completely unnecessary from this “common sense” point of view as CA law states you aren’t supposed to build anything within a certain distance of an active fault line. The University wants it, so the law and seismic studies get thrown out the window. The arguments put forth by the Berkeley athletic departments as to why the new building is a necessity were quite weak as well.
And then you have hippies equating the US to Germany 1938. Clearly, if that isn’t an excellent grasp of history, then I don’t know what is. Retards abound in that city by the bay.
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 24, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point in using WAR180
is to compare pitching skill. it’s a rate stat. projecting innings may or may not be a worthwhile pursuit, but what i’m interested in is baseline talent. inning-eating is a skill, but one that isn’t all that well understood. what part is the pitcher, what part is the medical staff and what part is luck? it seems most appropriate to approach that part qualitatively, just as i did for the position players.
besides, it’s not like the WAR and IP aren’t on the table.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if i'm understanding correct
inning eating is a skill that we (we as in people much smarter than myself at this stuff) struggle to prove so it was ignored here in this look at talent.
and i know that IP is included in the original WAR which is why i struggled to see how this would be a more worthwhile tool than looking at WAR.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Mar 24, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i think we all have some understanding of what goes into stamina.
will carroll exists. we know about the injury nexus and approximate pitcher attrition rates by age. i just don’t think the PECOTA/ZiPS/CHONE innings projections are especially useful. you can see why most pitchers are projected the way they are. why do you suppose Buehrle is projected for so many innings and, say, Liriano relatively few? we know that Liriano had TJ and we know that Buehrle has 8 consecutive seasons of 200+ IP. the projection systems take this stuff into account, but don’t give us any further understanding than we might were we to undertake the project with less formal mathematical rigor.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way, cuts are coming down today before the game.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beckham!!!!
Twitter: @SouthSideCheat
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by The Cheat on Mar 24, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is Beckham the new Paninguia?
You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09
by rhythm on Mar 24, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Mark Gonzales
PHOENIX – The White Sox switched plans and will now start Bartolo Colon on Wednesday aganistOakland instead of in a minor league game.
“Now it’s time to go to the next step with him and get the adreneline going,” pitching coach Don Cooper said.
Jose Contreras will follow Colon.
Cooper also confirmed that Mark Buehrle is on schedule to start the April 6 opener.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah, no #4 for Mark.
He so funny.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's like these beat writers have the same story about MB every year.
new material, guys. it’s out there.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got a new book out...heard him on Hub Arkush last night on WSCR
Hub talking baseball is like me continually getting kicked in the balls with steel toes boots by Larry the Cable Guy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 24, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BDD ‘09 Team Preview — Chicago White Sox
by Rob McQuown on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:29 am EDT | Permanent Link
They say chicks dig the long ball. If that’s so, their favorite team in ‘08 was the Chicago White Sox. The Sox homered their way to a AL Central division title — their 235th of the year was a Jim Thome bomb in their 1-0 win over the Twins in a one-game playoff — spoiling one improbable story. They could not spoil another as they were booted out of the playoffs in four games by the glass slipper of the Tampa Bay Rays. BDD’s Rob McQuown examines this year’s version of the White Sox and how they’ll fare in the AL Central. Read on for a quick look back at last year, the outlook for this year, position breakdowns and more on the 2009 Chicago White Sox.
http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/03/24/bdd-09-team-preview-chicago-white-sox/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty good article actually.
what the hell is BDD?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the URL might relieve your TLA foibles
if not, you’re SOL
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 24, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLA?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
three-letter acronym
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 24, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was lookin for a quick recap of who they are how long they been at it etc.
they’re a “baseball prospectus company” ?
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm gonna go ahead and say that the "about us" link is probably a good place to look, no?
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't we do this last time there was an "about us" issue?
there’s a reason why i asked here.
I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but did the oc disappoint on defense and offense?
is aaron poreda ready?
i have few more to nitpick on but i like the underlying message of the preview – FUCK YOU PECOTA
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 24, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think folks were a little jaded by his shaky start defensively
but he definitely got it together.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this article
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 24, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
josh fields had a good work ethic?
he may have one now but he sure as hell didn’t when he was drafted
I seem to recall him refusing to play winter ball
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
by blackoutsox on Mar 24, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Incredibly, more on double plays' by John Walsh
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/incredibly-more-on-double-plays/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
konerko 14th worst rate all time
are DP’s part of WAR?
by Hatchetm on Mar 24, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the answer is no
DP’s are not part of wOBA which goes into WAR. it would seem like a simple enough thing to do.
by Hatchetm on Mar 24, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice save.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drat
Colon "toes" nothing. That implies a nimbleness akin to a Nureyev. I beleive he "platypussed" the shit out of that mound.
-winningugly
by blackoutsox on Mar 24, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Strasburg in 300 FPS (or higher), set to some epic Star Wars music. Quite good quality.
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/3/24/808710/stephen-strasburg-in-300-f
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aoki
File away the name Norichika Aoki. The bidding for him might be pretty crazy if he is ever posted by the Yakult Swallows or winds up as a free agent.
At 27, Aoki is viewed as the second coming of Ichiro Suzuki in Japan. He’[s a .338 career hitter over five seasons in Japan and had 202 hits in 2007, joining Ichiro as the only Japanese player to ever have 200 hits in a season.
Aoki is a solid outfielder with speed, stealing 31 bases last season. He’s a left-handed hitter who gets out of the box quick, like Ichiro, and would be a leadoff candidate in the major leagues.
Aoki hit .324 with seven RBIs in nine games during the Classic.
stats http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/player.jsp?PlayerID=1842
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norichika_Aoki
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HSA, it's only a $350K down payment to live like Ichiro:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123750006471389127.html
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
egbert
yes please.
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 24, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our lineup against the Tribe:
Wise 8, Getz 4, PK 3, Thome DH, AJ 2, Fields 5, BA 9, Lillibridge 6, Owens 7. Poreda starts on the mound.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/tripping_to_goodyear.html
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
Our 3 centerfield options all starting. Something tells me it’s judgement day.
Wise, CF
Getz, 2B
Konerko, 1B
Thome, DH
Pierzynski, C
Fields, 3B
Anderson, B, RF
Lillibridge, SS
Owens, LF
by astralpanda on Mar 24, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. i'm pretty sure it's not. you know, that whole 10+ ST games left thing.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, doesn’t have to be cuts, but a final decision could be made by Ozzie. Whether he makes it public or not is another thing.
by astralpanda on Mar 24, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt one game is going to make a difference with these midgets.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God for myp2p.eu. Living in Wisconsin sucks.
by astralpanda on Mar 24, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are apparently not "Living Like You Mean It"
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 24, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the Sunday lineup for the regular season.
Get used to it.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Identify the suspect:
As I stood in the clubhouse in front of today’s lineup (I was twittering it into my phone … for daily notes from camp, sign up at twitter.com, my name is nelliefox2), I felt a player behind me.
“I’m just looking for clues,” he said, as he studied the various notes and schedules on the board. "I know they usually cut guys on Tuesdays, so I’m trying to read the board for signs to see if I’ll be around for another week.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/tripping_to_goodyear.html
gordon beckham?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll Just Drift With The Current For Awhile. What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

http://deadspin.com/5182527/ill-just-drift-with-the-current-for-awhile-what-could-possibly-go-wrong
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 24, 2009 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fuck. RIP.
john brattain of HBT and BDD didn’t make it through heart surgery.
http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/03/24/bdd-mourns-passing-of-writer-john-brattain/
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you know him?
Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i met him once, corresponded about a couple things.
i obviously read his stuff. he’s got a couple daughters who are like in junior high or high school. it didn’t sound like this was a big surgery when he was writing about it last week.
by larry on Mar 24, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That truly is awful.
Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
by winningugly on Mar 24, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is horrible... Will you please link the founder's tribute when it's posted?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...truly heartwrenching.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I agree, this is devastating, especially to his family.
But if you believe in an afterlife, even he is chuckling at this, which is on the same page:
Previous: BDD Mourns Passing of Writer John Brattain
Next : BDD ‘09 Team Preview — Chicago Cubs
You couldn’t pay someone to juxtapose that any better. He’s laughing his ass off somewhere.
Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an excellent juxtaposition indeed...I too hope he is laughing from wherever...
A terribly intelligent and hilariously dark-humored buddy of mine from grade school (Andy)developed schizophrenia when we were in college.
The horrors of his psychosis became unbearable and in 2006, he jumped in front of a train in Dekalb to kill himself and end his troubles.
When his best friend (another bud of mine since grade school) got the phone call about his death, he was on the road, stopped behind a truck for Trane Air Conditioners. Their slogan, written largely on the back of the truck, was “Can’t Stop a Train!”
My friend interpreted that as Andy’s sick sense of humor having one last earthly hoorah.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 25, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a great way to turn tragedy to something palatable.
Sort of. Thanks for sharing that. Really.
Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought so too...made us all laugh and go, "yep...that sounds like Andy." :) It helps to have little things like that, for sure.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 25, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Can't Stop a Trane, I meant.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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