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Ozzie Guillen on the recent trade rumors: "No, we're not going (outside the organization)," Guillen said. "I don't want that to happen. I don't like that to happen. If we have to go outside the organization right now, gosh, I'm not going to say we're in trouble. But as a ballclub, we have enough guys here to resolve that problem."

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The video on the right side of the page is worth a watch....Ozzie interview for the first 4 min and then KW the last 4....

Ozzie said (fuck, I think I heard him say this) lead-off is between Missile, Brian and Fields??

Did anyone else hear that?

KW says Spring Training is boring and he can’t believe there are still 2 weeks left. haha.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 26, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

So CF is Anderson's?

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Mar 26, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

not entirely

ozzie was asked if he would go with a platoon in center and at leadoff and he said he had to. he did emphasize that BA did a great job for the team last year and would definitely start against lefties. no mention was made of who the left side of the platoon would be.

he was also asked if getz would be in the leadoff mix, and said he would prefer not to put him there, as he sees getz as an ideal #2 hitter. he also said he prefers alexei batting with men on base, but has recently begun considering him for leadoff, simply because he feels like he doesn’t really have any good options. he finished by saying he’ll basically play whoever’s hitting best, both in center and at leadoff.

by Ryno on Mar 26, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is messed up

I was mentally prepared for the regular season starting next week, I felt it in my bones. They should just drop this WBC nonsense.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

insert larry's dead horse here =

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

No lie -

just got off the phone with a client who was canned yesterday after 16 years – his teen-aged son didn’t sleep last night because he’s worried about the family finances. Tough times. God appears PO’ed. Or just is throwing a few challenges our way to toughen us up.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

PPPUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

This recession is vicious,

heads are rolling everywhere. Typically the white collar jobs are somewhat protected and as usual the poor people get the shaft. But I know way too many friends and acquaintances who had good jobs who’ve gotten whacked this time around. Seems like every other day I hear about someone else getting the ax.

So far my best friends in Michigan are hanging on to their jobs, but they feel the cold breath of the reaper on their necks. That state should be declared a disaster zone.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

You still know people who live in Michigan?

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 27, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

people still live in Michigan?

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

i know, right?

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 27, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I'd call it living

it’s more like imprisonment. They own homes but any equity they had in them has pretty much vanished. So even if you’d want to leave the state you’d have to sell your house into the teeth of a ridiculous real estate. You probably end up underwater, so either you owe money to your lender after selling or you stiff them and ruin your credit.

Last time Michigan got bombed like this during the oil crisis in the 70s everyone pretty did the Beverly Hillbillies thing and moved on down to Texas. But homeownership rates are so much higher now that you’re shackled to your house as long as you have a job.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of those with the ability to pay are unshackling themselves.

I see it once a week here – great cash flow, great credit score, yet folks walking away from houses that have declined 30% the last 3 years (and little or no equity fronted 3 years ago). A very smart guy I know says banks/lenders are less concerned with “ability” to pay and are more concerned with “willingness” to pay. Thus, he is trying to construct a pricing model for the cash flows that would value a mortgage differently than is currently carried.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

how morals have changed in this country. There used to be a real stigma attached to not honoring your debts. Now it’s more like, meh…everyone else is doing it, why not.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

and first thing they did was print up a bunch of money

But seriously, this entire economy is built on trust, and the assumption that the other guy is going to hold up to his end of the bargain. There’s an implicit bond that needs to exist in order to conduct business. People who broke that bond used to be ostracized, which is a pretty strong incentive to play by the rules. The way things are going now should mean a pretty bullish future for the legal profession.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think the currency is based on?

The foundation of the economy is a chimera.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since Nixon efffed up in '71

it’s all smoke and mirrors.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

uh huh.

people generally act rationally. i’m sure the ostracizing of people who don’t pay their debts has a cost. the cost of continuing to pay a mortgage when you have no equity is a higher cost. i thought it was currently fashionable to be looking at other deep recessions. it’s not like anyone is doing anything different than in those good old days you seem to be misremembering.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The rational thing

to do is to always act to maximize my own best interests. And typically my own best interest means fucking over the other guy as bad as I can if I can get away with it. Social mores keep me from resorting to such extreme self-interested behavior. So I settle for optimizing, instead of maximizing.

If I need to start suspecting that everyone I deal with is a devious weasel just looking to back out of any arrangement, then there’s a real cost to society. Your contracts, oral or written, are basically worthless in that kind of moral environment.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Atlas Shrugged, and No One Cares

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

people who are walking away from bad mortgages are not devious.

they are intelligent. if you were dumb enough to give people mortgages that went under water, it’s your own fault. i recall something about risk. it’s unfortunate people forgot how to manage it.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

It’s just different attitudes. You learn from people’s behaviors, and you adopt them into your own moral code.

For example. Back in the 80s I knew a guy who’d moved out to Denver at the peak of the oil boom, and he bought a house there. Then he got transferred to the Midwest, and he was upside down by $40,000 on the house. He just rather matter-of-factly went oh well, gotta suck it up and rent this thing out at a loss for a few years until the market rights itself. But that was what you did then. If you had the money and ability to pay, you took your lumps like a man – and learned an expensive lesson. It never occurred to him to walk away from that house and stiff the bank. It just never seemed like an option.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, he's a nice upstanding dumbass.

and let me know how the rental market is for homes in florida right now.

the numbers suggest that your friend is an abberation.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

like I said, it was the 80s

Would he do the same today? I highly doubt it.

Goes back to – now there’s no stigma. Then there was.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right - if "everyone is doing it" and there is no shame

to being labeled as a deadbeat why TF would you continue to pay, other than out of moral obligation/personal belief system?

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't you in a profession where contracts matter?

So head I win, tails you lose? Looks like the lender and buyer ought ot be sharing risk. If you can’t enforce a written/oral promise to pay all hell breaks loose.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like Deadwood

Survival of the most ruthless

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Survival of the most intelligent

If the bank had properly measured the market (no easy task obviously), they wouldn’t be out of anything. They’d have a properly valued house on their hands they could sell. It’s half their fault, they end up with half the problem. They didn’t measure the risk properly, they agreed to loan more money for the house than it’s currrently worth. That was their decision. They both lose. Consumer has bad credit, and the bank has a house that’s not worth what they agreed to pay for it. That’s a recession for you. Why is it moral for the consumer to only take the hit, but the bank to continue making money off that person when they were just as liable? Seems it’s only just that they both suffer.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 27, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Markets change.

Contracts written in one setting might look very different in 2-3 years. And the consumer loses nothing except future access to credit if no money was put down. (I do agree – the lenders were idiots for loaning the money with no collateral and the assumptions that 1) the asset would appreciate 15%/year forever, and 2) people would honor the contract rather than walk away.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup.

which is why your risk management guy should probably be older than 27 or, at the very least, understand that markets change.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's remarkable isn't it

if only someone had been clever enough to realise that capitalism involves some risk and that maybe something could be done to minimise that risk such as rules that stopped banks from lending money to people who couldn’t afford to pay it back.

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

risk?

the government will bail you out, just be big enough and that’ll do the trick

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

right. so i'm confused what all the fuss is about.

you write a good contract and you’re protected to the fullest extent. if you decide to take on more risk than you can handle, no contract is going to help you. if a lender fucks up in writing a mortgage and doesn’t get enough collateral, their fault. if they do it too much, they get punished by going under. no different for a homeowner. their credit score is going to take a massive hit. probably going to have a big deficiency judgment that’s going to follow them for awhile unless the lender agrees to a short sale with appropriate provisos. maybe they have to go through a bankruptcy. it’s not like these things are fun. maybe it’s more accepted currently but, then again, it was more accepted during other econonmic downturns, too.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's the law isn't it

you are allowed to fuck off a bad mortgage in the US? you can’t do that in England

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course you can.

the personal bankruptcy laws and not all that different in the UK.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are recourse and non-recourse loans

varies by state. non-recourse loan the lender isn’t entitled to anything but the property. recourse loans means the lender can go after the homeowner for the difference, but they probably aren’t doing that in this climate, and worst case dude can still go into bankruptcy.

by Trooper on Mar 27, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

mortagages are different here

even if you go personally bankrupt, once you become solvent again, the mortgage debt returns, unlike any other debt

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have to check

I think I’m right but not that sure, one of my best mates is an insolvency brief and we are going out for a meal with him and his wife tonight so I’ll ask him.

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

you have to structure things appropriately, sure.

and you obviously don’t get to keep the home. you need to get the bank to foreclose and get things resolved in the proceeding.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think that's true for all other debts

but there’s something different about mortgage debt here, I’ll ask him tonight and get back to you.
I’ll make a fan post about it around 23:00 CT

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can't do that in the UK

it’s really bad here, totally fucked, I did laugh when Sir Fred Goodwin got his windows put through mind

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"I must have misremembered" - The Rocket

rec

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

true

they wanted to get away from the heavy taxation in europe.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

link?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

if I had recalled it I wouldn't have asked

anyway, if you can then provide a link

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

took a look, clicked on textbook, didn't see anything
The founders of the New England colonies had an entirely different mission from the Jamestown settlers. Although economic prosperity was still a goal of the New England settlers, their true goal was spiritual. Fed up with the ceremonial Church of England, Pilgrims and Puritans sought to recreate society in the manner they believed God truly intended it to be designed.

Religious strife reached a peak in England in the 1500s. When Henry VIII broke with the Catholic Church of Rome, spiritual life in England was turned on its ear. The new church under the king’s leadership was approved by the English Parliament, but not all the people in England were willing to accept the Church of England. At first, the battles were waged between English Catholics and the followers of the new Church — the Anglicans. The rule of Queen Elizabeth brought an end to bloodshed, but the battle waged on in the hearts of the English people.

The Pilgrims, called the Separatists in England because of their desire to separate from the Anglican Church, were persecuted by agents of the throne.

The Puritans, so named for their desire to purify the Church of England, experienced the same degree of harassment.

Pilgrims and Puritans both believed in the teachings of John Calvin. According to Calvin, neither the teachings of the Catholic nor the Anglican Churches addressed God’s will. By the end of Elizabeth’s reign, England was a nation of many different faiths.
John Winthrop
John Winthrop was a spiritual and political leader of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. He was elected governor of the colony in 1629.

The Stuart family, who ascended to the throne after the demise of Elizabeth, made matters worse for the followers of John Calvin. King James and his son Charles supported the Church of England, but secretly admired the ceremonies of the Catholic Church. To these kings, Calvin was a heretic, a man whose soul was doomed for his religious views.

The Pilgrims, called the Separatists in England because of their desire to separate from the Anglican Church, were persecuted by agents of the throne. The Puritans, so named for their desire to purify the Church of England, experienced the same degree of harassment. By the second and third decades of the 1600s, each group decided that England was no place to put their controversial beliefs into practice.
Map of New-England (1677)
This map, the work of William Hubbard, depicts the expanding New England colonies as they were in 1677.

Where else but in the New World could such a golden opportunity be found? The land was unspoiled. Children could be raised without the corruption of old English religious ideas. The chance to create a perfect society was there for the taking. The Stuart kings saw America a means to get rid of troublemakers. Everything was falling into place.

By 1620, the seeds for a new society, quite different from the one already established at Jamestown, were planted deeply within the souls of a few brave pioneers. Their quest would form the basis of New England society.

http://www.ushistory.org/us/3.asp

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you have no clue, stop making claims you cannot support and wasting my time

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is Friday Night Wiz.

Let it go, big man. You are being argumentative and facile, IMO.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 27, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ROFL!

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

THAT was special.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

3RD GRADE...

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

God told me we need to be "American tough".

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

well i'm definitely not clicking the second link.

poor Phil Rogers. what will he do without his hitz?

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 27, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I did

sfs!

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

SAFE FOR SCHOOL

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

dude

you are most awesomely fluent in internets, I’m impressed

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

;D

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

chicagopete

sorry i ever made you leave this blog.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

all is forgiven

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really made you quit?

I thought you were in jail this whole time for exposing yourself to the young students at the local elementary school…

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, you really did

You hurt my feelings. But, as I said, all is forgiven. Now go forth and multiply.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

i love all this goodwill the end of spring training is bringing about

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

it will end once the sox star the season 0-7 like the Tigers did last year.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

blasphemer

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 27, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 27, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know it's hor$e$hit.

Lovefest ends T-minus 10 days…

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh go fuck yourself

just kidding …I love you man!

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you on hydromorphone or something?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Q, I hope so.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1496507,CST-SPT-soxnt26.article

Trade central

Because he is out of minor-league options, Jerry Owens knows if he falls out of the running for the starting center-field job or even a reserve spot, he might be traded by the end of camp. That’s not the first option on his wish list, but he is prepared for that scenario.

’’That’s always a possibility because of my situation, but my first goal is to make the White Sox’ roster,‘’ Owens said. ’’I do understand that if I don’t make this team, there is a strong possibility that I could be headed elsewhere.

’’I’m not worrying about that right now. I’m looking to get better and then see what happens. I want to show these guys that I can be that guy. I want to be in Chicago and be that guy that creates from the leadoff spot.’’

by Crede's Crew on Mar 26, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone remember someone posting something

about the batting order and the most important positons

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Mar 27, 2009 1:06 AM CDT reply actions  

rofl

nice sig

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

no kidding

My NCAA bracket was a shambles by the first Friday, then Michigan got brushed aside like a gnat. Give me baseball dammit!

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Give me a cold beer and

a big kosher dog with extra grilled onions and get this thing going.

by palehose67 on Mar 27, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pour one out for Kosher dogs

"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca

by BoKnows on Mar 27, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

yuck

vienna

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

i had wake in the ntl championship...

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Mar 27, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

yikes...brutal pick

They played like crap the last two months…they certainly did have the talent to do so though.
Teague better come back for another year…he’s looked like shit down the stretch.

by Crede's Crew on Mar 27, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The White Sox’s trade of minor-league shortstop Sergio Miranda signals the success of their efforts to restock middle infielders the last two years. The competition on the back fields has been fierce. Organization officials rave about the fielding skills of Cal-Riverside’s Drew Garcia, who is the grandson of former Angels and Indians manager Dave Garcia.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/03/inside-baseball-weekday-stealth-attack-edition.html#more

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Love this quote:

The end result, Cabrera believes, is that after 10 years in the majors, he suddenly developed a bad reputation over minor incidents and mischaracterizations. That hurt him as he searched for a job, potentially costing him millions.

“Ozzie, I weel keel you! Joo cost me meellions! MEELLIONS! Joo peece of sheet!”

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty good notch in Ozzie's belt

You mess with him, he will definitely fuck you up. He’s a pretty powerful manager, not many others have the kind of upper management support that he does.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question that goes back to an earlier discussion re: Viciedo

I believe you said the Sox will control his rights for the first six years (which I understand… I think, at least), but how does that change how the pay structure works? I see on Wikipedia that he’ll make $1 million in 2009, $1.25 in 2010 and 2011 and $2.5 in 2012. And — for the sake of simplicity — let’s say he spends all of 2009 in the minors and from 2010 on is with the major-league club. Does that mean that in 2013 to 2015, he will be like any other major league player (except for not getting paid the minimum or thereabouts in the first three years) and will go to arbitration for those seasons?

Also — does the same thing hold for Ramirez, i.e. the Sox will pay him $1.1 million for the next three years and then have two arbitration years following that?

by CWSKeith on Mar 27, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

So why are Japanese players exempt from that rule?

I recall reading the answer a while back, but I can’t remember and a quick google search didn’t yield any results. Or is that not a blanket rule re: all Japanese players and does each one have to individually negotiate it into their contract?

by CWSKeith on Mar 27, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

they're not exempt. you have to negotiate a clause.

usually it says something like either sign me to an extension prior to the end of the world series in the year my contract is up or you have to release me. basically makes the player a free agent.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sox at Cubs

Owens 8, Getz 4, Quentin 7, Dye 9, AJ 2, Ramirez 6, Kroeger 3, Fields 5, Richard 1.

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/heading_over_to_mesa.html

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Who fancies a pint? - I'm buying

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I've been ready to have a beer since 5:25 this morning, when I went into my fridge and saw my fresh 6-pack of Full Sail looking up at me with its big saucer eyes.

I nearly filled my stainless steel tumbler with one for my commute to work.

So yeah, hoodie….I’ll take a cold one, thanks.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 27, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

the above is served at room temp

cold would ruin it, although West Yorkshire room temp probably counts as cold for you

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

which one would you pick out of the three?

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the dark one the Ram Tam?

It has the most alcohol, so I’ll take that.

"A dope trailer is no place for a kitty." - Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)

by tailgater on Mar 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a porter

the barley is roasted before the brewing process, like Guinness, we’ve been doing that here for thousands of years before the paddies nicked the idea

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's the one i like too

pale ale, it’s a beautiful drink

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The porter for me

but shit, I’d drink the three of them now, if I could

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 27, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question re 2010 rotation

After reading today’s sun times piece on Richard, I got to thinking about next year. Contreras is off the books and Colon was only a 1 year deal. I suppose if both/either stay healthy and are effective, they could be brought back cheaply (though I doubt we’d reupp those guys). What would the plan be? If Poreda is ready, we seem awfully lefty heavy. Maybe if Richard performs this year in a bullpen/LR/starting role, we could trade Poreda in a big package?

I know Poreda is the higher ceiling guy, just also know he’d bring a lot more back.
Thoughts?

by Crede's Crew on Mar 27, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Richards is a good pitcher

he’s been trying lot’s of stuff out, he’s an adequate number 4 5 man

I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

by hoodlight on Mar 27, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair points

My point is 4 lefties doesn’t seem like a good idea, does it?

by Crede's Crew on Mar 27, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have 4 good left handed pitchers, then 3 mediocre right handed pitchers. It’s not as if they all have the same style of pitching either.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 27, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any worthy free agents out on the market?

‘cause Kenny can’t wait to spend some of that new company money — $30 million between Count, Dye and Dotel, $40+ if Dye isn’t back.

by CWSKeith on Mar 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the list I found

Starting pitchers
Josh Beckett – $12MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Erik Bedard
Justin Duchscherer
Rich Harden
Tim Hudson – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
John Lackey
Cliff Lee – $8MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Brett Myers
Brandon Webb – $8.5MM club option with a $500K+ buyout
Todd Wellemeyer

Obv Beckett, Lee, Webb options getting picked up, but would I love me some John Lackey if the Angels don’t work something out.

by Crede's Crew on Mar 27, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lackey is very good but he's going to command a lot of money and I don't think it's Kenny's MO to had out such a big contract to a pitcher

Even if the market of this past off-season stays the same, big-time pitchers are going to get paid. Lackey is almost certainly going to command something greater than what A.J. Burnett got.

Then again, if things go according to plan — and by that I mean Buehrle and Danks remain a capable 1-2 punch, Floyd regresses but throws 200 innings of a 100 ERA+ and one of Richard, Egbert, Poreda, Harrell or Marquez has a good enough season to where they can confidently pencil one of them in as a #5 — I think the Sox will only need one starting pitcher heading into the winter.

by CWSKeith on Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe Herm could work his magic on Harden

but some other team will probably pay him more than KW would be willing to risk.

by Ryno on Mar 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do have one thing going for us other's might not

Depth in the rotation. With Poreda, Richard, Marquez, we might actually be able to afford Harden being out all the time.

If Danks, Buehrle, Floyd aren’t awful, we just need one guy to be good out of that group, and then could just get a veteran like a Colon to take that 5th spot and we’ll be fine. Could always look at a guy like Sheets if we want to just take a flyer on someone. I imagine we’d use that money to keep a lot of our own guys, add a bullpen guy and maybe a big bat to replace Thome, not starting pitching. (Dye as a DH wouldn’t be the worst thing for a year or two).

by Grinder in Training on Mar 27, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Owens could be traded?

I thought the Sox already had an ample supply of baseballs.

"A dope trailer is no place for a kitty." - Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)

by tailgater on Mar 27, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I recently learned that Jim Bouton, of Ball Four fame, invented big league chew

It’s absolutely amazing what happens when you read a book now and again! ;)

I’d highly recommend Ball Four to anyone who hasn’t already read it.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 27, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I only mention it twice a season.

Wish I’d thought of it today. POS.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the new Kenny

Stockpiling for the future. They’re hoping the balls make it to the show around the same time Flowers does.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

By Mark Gonzales

MESA, Ariz. – Bartolo Colon will pitch Monday against the Los Angeles Angels instead of in a minor league game, pitching coach Don Cooper said Friday. Colon is aiming to make the starting rotation since coming off elbow surgery.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/03/colon-to-pitch-vs-angels-for-white-sox.html

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

So this is Colon's last big test before the season right?

He’ll pitch maybe a side game and do a couple bullpen sessions I’d think.

I’’d think they are looking for him to go 5+ and come out with a clean bill of health.

So far the Sox have done their typical masterful job of getting guys ready and healthy for opening day. Knock on wood.

by madvillian on Mar 27, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

why the big rush on colon?

let him stay down south for a few starts. christ . Richard can fill in.

by Hatchetm on Mar 27, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

seems like the plan is to skip him the first time through since they have the offday.

if he’s ready by the 15th, i’m not sure it’s a great idea to waste his innings in the minors. the guy’s arm is a ticking bomb. use him up in the majors.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If history has taught us anything,

it’s that Coop/Ozzie/Herm do pretty well with pitching arms, and have a pretty good idea of when one is toast. I’ll trust their judgment.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

As MM goes into cardiac arrest.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

the girl fell on a pipe, not a pile of dead whores

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 27, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

yikes.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 27, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

All hail the inanimate carbon rod septic pipe!

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 27, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

'Pitch speed and balls in play' by Dan Turkenkopf

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/pitch-speed-and-balls-in-play/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

"make me" ?

how?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha!

what interested me:

We can see that pitchers who throw harder tend to give up more ground balls (the green areas in the graphs). And previous studies have shown that ground ball pitchers tend to have a higher BABIP than fly ball pitchers, although they tend to gain back most of the advantage on slugging percentage in play. This makes the relationship we see here even more surprising.

Based on this additional information, there’s a couple of ways our causation arrow could point. Higher pitch speeds lead to more strikeouts, which leads to the batter being defensive late in the count, and therefore more apt to hit a weak ground ball. In a similar vein, faster pitches give the batter less time to react, so he’s more likely to generate weak contact, and either hit a ground ball or foul it off.

Alternatively, it’s possible that the apparent relationship between pitch speed and ground ball rate is more illusory than illuminating. Both could independently affect a pitcher’s BABIP rate without one causing the other. This feels less likely however, since a causal relationship just seems like an obvious fact (although that line of reasoning has bitten us in the past).

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice article

Guess it makes sense that it comes down to pitching. Doesn’t it always?

by Crede's Crew on Mar 27, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

This year’s lineup projects to more runs per game than last years? I haven’t looked at anything closely but that just doesn’t sound right.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uribe/Griffey/Swisher really sucked hard,

and Crede was no picnic. Sounds OK to me.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

of course it's not right. look at how they do the projection.

they assume 162 games for, in this case, 8 players and a wise/anderson platoon in CF. other (shittier) players are going to play.

by larry on Mar 27, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

figures

I didn’t look at their methodology but it makes no sense to say this year projects better than last year’s actual

JD, PK, AJ, JT are older downslopers
Will be tough for Q to match last year
BA/Wise < Swisher + Whatever in CF
Ramirez/Getz < Cabrera/Ramirez
Fields < Crede/Uribe

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Josh Fields

I hope he surprises me.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

surprise?

he’ll shock you!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 27, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty average last year

I’d be thrilled if Fields had a 96 OPS+

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he puts up a 96 OPS+

that removes one of the 3 big question marks from 3B, 2B and CF. That would be perfectly acceptable in my eyes.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same sunny Pete I see...

sorry for the repost Larry. I wasn’t in the thread.

And I’d bet YOU a pot pie your last 2 assumptions are wrong this year.

Offensively

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 27, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm actually optimistic about this year

I’m a big fan of going young cause those are the guys who can pleasantly surprise you. But wishful thinking and projecting are two different things. Just curious – I don’t have my BP subscription anymore, what is the 90th projectile for Fields?

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure

.269/.363.510

but even his 75% is .250/.341./.478

He should do better than 96+ OPS

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 27, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

His 90% is almost Q'ish

Would be nice if he shocked and awed wouldn’t it? You can live with BA in CF if he produces like that.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

i could do a lot more than live with BA if he put up numbers like those in center with his defense

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 27, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant

that you can carry BA and his meager offense a lot easier if Josh Fields has a break out season like .269/.363/.510

If Anderson put up numbers like that they’d be testing his urine weekly.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like my fields projections.

i think i had a little bit higher BA

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree with the last 3, actually,

and PK looks to be on the mend and I believe will surpass last year’s numbers. Thomer/JD should decline (though JD is a marvel), and AJ is a robot, an Automaton. Q should do fine.

Thus, they will do better at the dish.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We shall see, that's why I want the games to start

I think this team will go as far as the starting pitching holds up. I’m really not expecting anything from this offense, so any kind of decent production will be a pleasant surprise. Talking about platooning BA/Wise at leadoff keeps my expectations pretty low.

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, CF is brutal, though it was last year, too.

I’m hoping Fields can beat the creaky Crede/Juanito suck tandem last year and the middle of the infield knows what to do with a ball hit at them. I expect nothing but decent defense in CF. And, yeah, if we suck at pitching we will win 72 games like 2007. (Shudder.)

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do not bring up that year again

it still gives me heartburn and moments of clarity from my drunken “blacking out” period.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 27, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Erstad!

Hah, dats scary keeds

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, no need to bring that up again, ever.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 27, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously I keep harping on this

and I know its not great but if we had a leadoff batter from any other position would you use such gloom and doom when referring to CF? Have you guys actually looked at the production last year across the leagues?

Its not all Sizemore, Granderson and Beltran.

I just think mentally we detract from them because of the hole at the top of the order.

Would a combined .725 or /.730 OPS surprise you from Anderson/Wise?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

They should be batting 10th, not leadoff

Coach says he needs more toughness. I gotta step up.

by ChicagoPete on Mar 27, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 27, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be fucking stunned.

Sweet, I better start upping the suck.
by homesickalien on Mar 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT

by winningugly on Mar 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will remember that statement.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just bring the PP, B.

;)

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 28, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ is a robot when it comes to hitting into double plays, popping up, and screaming f-bombs on the way to first base.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

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