others made similar points to mine (obviously less rigorous) in the comments and he’s sticking with his choice. like i said, displays a fundamental lack of understanding about valuation. konerko hasn’t provided anywhere near the production you expect from a 1B and certainly not for the money. i’d like to know what the cost of replacing AJ’s production on the market would have been this winter – the laird trade makes it look superficialy easy but laird can’t hit righties and thus can’t start everyday. i know what the cost of replacing konerko would have been.

i quibble somewhat with their valuations but it’s generally accepted as being pretty accurate and it sure saves me the time of doing the calculations myself.

i don’t want to go rick santelli here and turn to my choir, but i think there aren’t many sox fans, on this site or elsewhere, who would consider AJ’s contract to be the worst.

Larry – for dissection of the Dierkes’ Article
Tim Dierkes – for coming on here and explaining yourself. (not a lot of people would come here and “talk it out”)
Tdogg – for the correct prediction that Dierkes would read the reply.

and it sounds like that there were injuries that were really getting in the way of his swing. that’s to be expected to some degree, since he’s obviously a lumbering kind of guy.

I would say that other teams were weary of his performance tanking while his compensation is increasing, although I have not looked at his numbers recently.

Especially when the team trading him has a potentially amazing catcher waiting in the wings. I trust the fangraphs values a lot and am sorry if i came off as snarky or an ass up above. I generally like the work you do and enjoy seeing a fellow Illini do well, especially in something baseball related. I just didn’t think those two contracts really warranted spots on the list.

And none of the front page guys here are especially dogmatic about fangraphs’ method.

I think it is big of you to come on here and admit that "it’d probably be a better list replacing Pierzyniski with one or both (of Konerko or Linebrink) and engaging with this blog in a dialogue. I think this is one of the absolute best features of a blog and something that can never be replicated with this speed in the print or television media.

A.J. is not a waste of money. some others are and don’t have a heart for the game. he goes out there everyday and plays his ass off better than anybody else. yeah he doesn’t have the big numbers. wow what would that do. screw you

regards

A.J.’s #1 fan

scroll down to win values

i think it settles very clearly the degree of accuracy the valuations have. i personally don’t cite the year to year ones without scrutinizing the fielding scores first. i feel very confident about how well batting is evaluated and i feel that given a large enough sample size, you can determine fielding prowess to a half-win gradient.

But that’s a whole ’nother post.

players are worth what teams are willing to pay for a players’ services.

Fangraphs is using a 2005 mortgage broker’s guide to player values. they can only go up.

non-Yankee teams were willing to pay far less for marginal wins this year.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/28/648315/best-catchers-of-2008

gets to about the same value. as i pointed out above, you haven’t provided a value, either. if you don’t like my value, feel free to calculate your own. i knew this would be a contentious point – it’s the easiest way to attack my conclusions but it’s also the most cowardly if you don’t provide values of your own and instead simply taking potshots fangraphs. i assume you must have done a valuation of each player’s performance in order to make a list of the most overpaid players.

using his WOWY method. He similarly found an approximate +10 cap, iirc. And defensive reputation, plus a little thought about the run value of the things catchers provide, gives you a pretty good idea. Not to mention Sean Smith is doing catcher defensive projections now. I think you’re a little behind the times on this one.

CHONE does catcher defensive projections and there are a number of catcher eval metrics floating around now and use either linear weights or Tango’s WOWY method. That combined with scouting reports and general blather about reputation will give you a pretty good idea (within a couple runs) of approximate worth.

i have mlbtr in my reader and i check them basically for baseball news. they/he(tim) aggregates and disseminates better than ESPN and he doesn’t claim he’s the one breaking the news.

Never claiming that all of there stuff is true…. The word rumor is in the title. They have many links with which to read up on various articles around the league…. I usually hit there once a day.

but I wrote it last night, before this was posted

BA is a HOF’er in ST. Swish was dynamite in April, 2008, too. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, Tdogg.

 That you only get points based on prospects in the top 100.
So

25. San Diego Padres, NPV: $32.6 million
Top 100 Prospects: Kyle Blanks (73), Mat Latos (85)
The Padres get hurt in a ranking system like this because they lack elite-level prospects. However, their farm system is pretty deep. They could shoot up in value after having the No. 3 draft pick and having their prospects develop.

While the White Sox’s Brandon Allen is not listed. The four other prospects in the top 100 make our value higher than what it is. This system really only rates your top prospects. While it is nice to see them have 4 guys listed, i don’t think we have an elite farm system. On the rise? For sure but, we don’t have a whole lot of depth in prospects 5 – 10.

just my opinion

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/farm_value_rankings/