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White Sox Settle Center Field, Leadoff Mess... for now

The unceremonious dismal of Jerry Owens (along with a few others) has made the White Sox opening day roster all-but-official. But the Owens news is the longest-running, most headline-grabbing battle of futility, so we'll start there first.

"I was disappointed," Guillen said of Owens, who batted .230 and lost the job to Dewayne Wise, who batted .316 and played with a sense of urgency. "We have been waiting for him for three years and we gave him the job for three years. Last year he got hurt. It's unfortunate and a shame this kid didn't get it done. He has all the tools in the world."

Fire and attitude seem to be the themes behind the decision, as Kenny Williams echoes some of Ozzie's sentiment.

"For a few years, we told Jerry what we expected in terms of the energy level and the attitude for the leadoff position," Williams said. "When you’re at the top of the lineup in the order, you got to have some fight. I’m not saying Jerry doesn’t have it, but it’s not up to where we want it to be, obviously.

"Maybe it’s a byproduct of what [Wise] has had to go through his career, but he just comes up and fights you every day. You don’t have to question whether he’s going to show up on a given day."

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While Guillen has named Wise his starting center fielder, that's not to say that Wise won't be platooned with Brian Anderson. It seems obvious that he will, eventually. But for right now, until Chris Getz proves to be a capable top-of-the-order major league hitter, Dewayne Wise appears to have gotten the nod over Anderson based on his perceived ability to fill the "leadoff position."

Wise is, of course, a poor candidate for a spot in a major league lineup and a terrible option to get the most at-bats in that lineup. He owns a .254 OBP in the major leagues and just a .310 OBP over 12 years in the minors. At 31 years old, this will be the third time Wise has made an opening day roster of a major league club, but the first where he has been anything more than the 25th man, 4th or 5th outfielder type.

I don't have a strong opinion on Wise being named the starter over Anderson, even though I feel that Anderson is the better player, despite his obvious flaws. But it's very easy to argue that the Sox would be a better team with Anderson as the starting center fielder, if only for the simple fact that Anderson would be likely to bat 9th, whereas Wise, who has never been caught stealing in a White Sox uniform, is seen as a leadoff man, presumably because of his plus-baserunning capabilities.

For his part, Wise already appears to be looking over his shoulder.

"I'm pretty sure if I swing the bat well and do the little things, I'll probably stay there. If not, he might go with (Chris Getz) or somebody like that."

And that's why I'm not going to pound on my internet podium in protest of this move. Wise is unlikely to post a .300 OBP, and there's little chance of Ozzie Guillen sticking by a woefully unproductive leadoff man. The Sox will soon realize the error of their ways, likely after Getz establishes himself, and stumble their way to a more optimal lineup with Anderson/Wise safely tucked away at the bottom of the lineup. For all their talk of energy and attitude, as soon as the Sox see that .275 OBP in action at the top of the lineup, they'll rethink their position.

White Sox Roster Set

With the pre-game roster moves, the Sox have effectively set their roster.

Starting Pitching: Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Contreras, Colon
Bullpen: Jenks, Linebrink, Dotel, Thornton, Richard, Carrasco, MacDougal

Lineup: Wise, Getz, Quentin, Thome, Dye, Konerko, Ramirez, Pierzynski, Fields
Bench: Anderson, Betemit, Miller, Lillibridge

I don't have to go over why Lillibridge is ill-suited to be on a major league roster, but with Jayson Nix going down with hamstring issues the Sox had no alternative. Hopefully Nix recovers soon enough to limit the damage of a Lillibridge at leadoff or a Betemit backing up SS experiment.

Colon, Contreras Shelled

Monday was supposed to be the day of reckoning for Bartolo Colon and to a lesser extent Jose Contreras. And if their pitching lines are to be believed, they didn't fare too well in their latest test. Colon gave up 7 runs on 11 hit in 4 innings, including two homers in his 4th inning of work, while Contreras gave up 6 and 8, respectively, in his 4 innings.

Colon was reported to have thrown in the 90's, topping out at 93, so his velocity continues to trend in the right direction. And while I didn't get to see any of the game, it appears like he had a good sinker working (in the first 3 innings), turning two double plays and getting a number of groundball outs.

The Sox aren't worried. "Results aren't important down here," Cooper says. Health and velocity seemed to be the biggest tests. And it's not like Clayton Richard has forced the Sox hand with his last two outings. For better or worse, the Sox will open the season with Contreras and Colon as their number 4 and 5 starters.

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another thing to note about wise, which scot gregor reminded me of, is that wise is injury prone.

maybe that’s held him back production-wise (ahem), as gregor seems to imply. more likely, that’s just another way he’ll get himself out of the lineup.

by larry on Mar 30, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He gives us an opportunity to get him out of there sooner,

just like Jerry did last year to make way for Q. Jordan Danks, come on down!

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

75 Ws a possibility

Richard, Carrasco, MacDougal
Wise, Getz
Betemit, Miller, Lillibridge

by e-gus on Mar 30, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No love for Getz?

And for the long relievers, Richard & Carrasco aren’t awful. McDougal is pretty hit or miss.. but Betetmit and Lillibridge are just utility guys for the most part and Nix will take Lillibridge’s spot as soon as he’s healthy. The only one of that group that really will probably hurt us is Wise, and if we are competitive in June and he’s still awful he won’t be our CF the rest of the season anyways. I think Kenny has shown us that much over the years.

The sky is falling list, should be Colon, Wise, Linebrink and Konerko. Those are the guys you are actually depending on to play well and help carry the team.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

egus is doing his best JRE impression right now. Unwarranted.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good to have you on board JRE!

I like this team too, even if our 4th and 5th starters faulter, at least we have a couple promising young starters ready to step in.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Getz

just worried about the top of the order being worse than it was last year.

I know what youre thinking, thats almost impossible, but still.

by e-gus on Mar 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think we have a good option

Im optimistic on Getz that he can better our abysmal production from there last year, but we are already going to be giving a bad player the most ABs, if the top two spots fail its ova.

by e-gus on Mar 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am worried about the top of the order as well.

Swisher was horrific anywhere he batted, and Ocab took over a job that he was not comfortable with, but still did a pretty good job considering. We (on paper) appear weaker at the top than last year, but that is why they play the games. I would be willing to bet that Getz will take over the leadoff position sooner than later. It may even happen after the first week of the season if Wise really blows. That is the one thing I like about Ozzie, he will yank anyone who does not perform and isn’t named Mike MacDougal.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horrific

.269/.345/.423 —> Swisher’s line when leading off a game

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strip out April/May.

He was on fire the first couple of months.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why did ozzie take him out of the leadoff spot again?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why I suggested it be stripped out.

It wasn’t representative of the whole year. He/his luck sank like a stone.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not to get into a pissing match

but i think cheat was kind of replying to the assertion that swisher was horrific wherever he batted in the order.

by larry on Mar 31, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he was.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

* horrific

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand.

As long as we are speaking for others, I believe SoB was generalizing that Swish wasn’t a picnic at the top of the order. And my point was that, except for his hot start, he was no help.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so that isn't a .345 OBP?

all 162 games count, as i’m sure you’re aware.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for sharing.

I prefer to cherry-pick my stats. I know no one else does that. Ever.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SSH, WTGTD and KenWo all come to mind anyway.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's be candid: The IF off-season moves

we all about present and future monetary planning, not performance. To expect an increase in production/efficiency is to delude onseself, IMO. We’re hanging on for dear life until 2010, and because our division is the “tallest midget” we might be able to squeeze out a competitive year. But Older Paulie+Getz+SS Che+Fields < Younger Paulie+2B Che+ OC+ Crede/Uribe, or at best is a wash.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i disagree there

the Vazquez move was far more blatant. Cabrera/Cruribe/Alexei and Alexei/Fietemit/Getz aren’t that different and fielding the latter as opposed to some FA-fueled version of the former (i.e. getting legit veteran help everywhere on the IF) isn’t going to help the White Sox win in 2010-2012 anymore than the present incarnation.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me we are not "Waiting for Beckham and Viciedo".

Thus the need to throw a ton of shit against the wall in 2009 and see if anything sticks. So far – nada from the “vets”.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

anymore so than we were last year or the year previous?

we didn’t have in-house solutions at that point, but it’s not like Kenny just found out he wasn’t going to have the best infield options in ’09. now that Beckham is a year away, there was no point in making a move on ODawg or whomever else. The move that traded wins for cash was Vazquez. The Sox would be in a much better position to compete in ’09 if that trade was not made. Getz, Fields and Betemit are major leaguers. Brent Lillibridge and Tyler Flowers on the other hand…

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are ridiculous.

The season hasn’t started yet and you are ruling out Wise, Contreras, Colon… give it some time for christ sakes. I happen to think the sox will do well this year. I think from front to back they have the best pitching staff in the division. I think the meat of their order is stronger than any other team in their division. Are they a perfect team? Not by a longshot…. but they still have some great parts. This isn’t the nba where you know the worst team in the playoffs is going to get blown out… if you make the playoffs in baseball anything is possible. It is a long season…there will be plenty of time to bitch…god knows i am very good at that…. but don’t start it yet! At least wait til after the first game!

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 30, 2009 10:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes

the familiar don’t voice your opinion comment. Classic

by The Cheat on Mar 30, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, if people want to voice their opinion they can find an appropriate place to do so

Like a comment page somewhere on the internets.

If only Jim had a blog or something, that would be perfect.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 30, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is safe

I got smacked on the hand for saying Marquez wasn’t worthy of a bullpen spot.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 30, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

25th Man

I am assuming Lillibridge is in because he can play all over the field. Carrying 12 pitchers they probably feel they need a ‘supersub’

by metasox on Mar 30, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

was that the one that started wobbling from the wind

and then got into some weird frequency that made it collapse?

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 31, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yessir!

youtube vid of the collapse here

I’d link the wiki article that should explain how the frequency thing worked, but my work computer doesn’t let me go to wikipedia for some reason.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

teamwork

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 31, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(really dorkily) High-five!!

:P

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our aggregate OBP from the 1/2 spots last season was .318

I think we’re just trying to spite PECOTA at this point

by 3E8 on Mar 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

expected more from Richard

I guess if you get beat by Colon for a roster spot you definitely need some more work on your stuff

by LT_sox_fan on Mar 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

richard making about 550k (dont have the numbers in front of me)

Colon making 1 million, hmm tough call to see who they will give the most opportunities to succeed to.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are paying guys in the pen 5 million plus.. and they were going to pay McDougal 2.5 million to pitch in AAA. I really doubt they care about that small difference at all.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they had no choice but to pay mcdougal 2.5 to pitch in AAA

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that different then with Colon though? Why would they be worried about paying one guy 500K more to pitch, but not a guy 2.5 million to pitch?

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because Colon has not pitched a game for the sox yet (besides 03)

also, how long did they stick with Mac before they finally sent him down. It helped cost us the division in 06.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

MacDougal was the best right-handed option Guillen had in the second half of ’06.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 31, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is not saying a whole lot.

he was horrible. how many games did he blow to the indians that year again?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok let me rephrase that. since i am at work and can't have 10 windows open.

what was his ERA against the indians that year?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

0.00

3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 31, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that IS horrible.

1 BB?

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now we're getting somewhere

although nobody is talking about the true measure of his performance. how many babies cried while he pitched against the indians that year?

by Trooper on Mar 31, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know the Arsonist's history

like Jews know Passover.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a good nickname is hard to come by.

you got to hold on tight and never let go!

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i must be thinking 07.

i could have swore he blew a couple of games for us down the stretch in 06, maybe that was his twin brother McCarthy?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

N*

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A phrase comes to mind:

“I was mistaken.” Use it on occasion when appropriate.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"i must be thinking 07."

or as you put it, “i must be mistaken”.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

same thing right?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh.my.fuck.

Is that (the artist formerly known as) Prince?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some peroxide and neosporin will clear that right up

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 31, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

takin his lumps

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man

Josh Anderson might have been a good fit for the leadoff/cf position.
The Sox couldn’t part with an A-ball arm on par with Rudy Darrow?

And why does Detroit want another OF?
Thames at 2 mil too much for them?

by e-gus on Mar 31, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you read what people say about him?

He’s not going to duplicate what he did. His season was a fluke.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

dombrowski<williams

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 31, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget the prospects he traded to get Sheff

despite Sheff was being a malcontent that Cashman couldn’t have unloaded on anyone else. Fucking genius.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and these are the guys BP pick over the sox...

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Spanks are good at getting rid of malcontents for prospects.

And getting malcontents for prospects.

My head…

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just looked them up, so an honest thank you for making me do my homework (even if it is late)

I just remembered that they were highly touted, but going through and looking at their career paths in fangraphs is pretty wild. Claggett going from AAA to A+ to AAA to A+ to AA to AAA is pretty wild. Whelan looks like he got hurt as well.

The predictions listed for Humberto Sanchez are interesting, anywhere from 26-63 IP with FIP ~4.5-5.0. I really don’t have a great gauge for what a reliever’s FIP should be, but I’m assuming he’s going to be a 26 year old mop up man.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't recall them being all that highly touted.

they were interesting arms. i’m not going to pretend it was a bad deal for the yankees – they got something for basically nothing, after all. the bad part was the tigers extending him. claggett or sanchez will probably be backend of bullpen fodder.

by larry on Mar 31, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question.

Who on the roster can handle 1B when Konerko gets a day off?

Is it Lillibridge, or Betemit, or do we have to shuffle someone else around?

by ReservoirDog on Mar 31, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it'll be betemit.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bettermitt and dye

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you really think that?

dye has played 1st base one game in his entire career and as far as i know the sox have not mentioned that as a possibility this year.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I really think that.

where do you think Dye would play if Konerko was traded?

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOT IF WE GOT FIGGINS IN RETURN!

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was that 07

when Dye played a little short-stop for us?

Hed be fine at 1b.

by e-gus on Mar 31, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he would be awesome at 1st.

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is d-lee's twin brother baby!

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was 2005

that he replaced crede at ss. this game. hunter wendelstedt made crede keep batting after he was hit by a pitch. he kicked crede out when he slammed his bat down after popping up. good times.

the game he played 1st was also 2005. july6

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Toby when you need him?

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Mar 31, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know how the Japanese posting system works?

CF – Norichika Aoki

- 2008 Stats: 444 AB, .347 AVG, 14 HR, 64 RBI, 31 SB. And he wants out of Japan… acording to Forbes? When did forbes start covering baseball…..

Steve

by the_steve on Mar 31, 2009 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No way!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for a second there

i thought it was april 1st, but it’s not.
i’d be perfectly happy never to see that tool again. i’m sure someone will pick him up, though i’m not sure who.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm okay with it. I bet the Twins go after him.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...with which I would not be okay.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll tell you where he can go...

back to hell.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would like him to get Crimedogged

and screwed out of 500

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 31, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might be great...

Another injury prone bum that won’t play well joining the Twins can’t hurt the White Sox chances.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i understand your irrational desires.

even if no one else does.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheffield vs. Kubel/Cuddeyer? Not much to choose from from a performance standpoint.

I would be very surprised if the Twins bit on him. Maybe the Orioles?

Of course, the M’s could sign him and create a three-headed mid-90’s all-star DH of Griffey/Sheffield/Sweeney.

by The Actual El Guapo on Mar 31, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another one of my less than favorite players

although it was hilarious when he attacked jeff weaver over the rosin bag.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are they expecting a bounceback from Bedard? Or just hoping Morrow, Hernandez etc..can carry a team?

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I guess I just assumed when I listed two of what I’d consider their better young players, etc… meant that the young core of the team would carry the team. I’d consider a young solid closer a pretty important piece. Obviously a lot of stat guys would say I’m wrong though and that I’m overrating the closer.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 31, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they might come up a bit short of 80, but that's not far off.

but they’ll be an interesting team. Zduriwerjknaskf has done a nice job making up wins on others’ spare parts, which is exactly what you should be doing on a down turn.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more on sheffield

apparently, he prefers tampa bay.

fuck him.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Mar 31, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah, he'd be perfect there.

Why not bring in Bonds, who actually might be able to hit? I wonder who really will hire him to take that last shot at 500?

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can he play center?

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Mar 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

last i heard, he wanted to take a shot at 3000

3 seasons!

there’s got to be some bottom-barrel AL team that’ll give him a ride

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he really is trying to become mcgriff

http://progressiveboink.com/archive/silverstein/7.html

But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.

by U-God on Mar 31, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PHOENIX – Shortstop Alexei Ramirez returned to the White Sox’s lineup Tuesday, one day after suffering a deep cut on his left knee.

Here’s the Sox’s lineup against left-hander Jorge de la Rosa, 2009 NL Cy Young Award Winner:

Anderson cf

Getz 2b

Quentin lf

Thome dh

Dye rf

Konerko 1b

Pierzynski c

Ramirez ss

Fields 3b

Buehrle p

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2009/03/white-sox-tuesday-briefing.html

by larry on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cuban tough... it's the new black.

Actually, that’s a lineup that might be enjoyable to watch this year.

"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris

by Chiburb on Mar 31, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

De La Rosa - SoB's bane.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS Do NOT give the Cy to DLR.

I’m sure a Twin is up for it. and Robothal has already given Manager of the Year to Gardy, according to FoxSports. Take that Ozzie!

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

those twins really are awesome

they’re going to play in the american league AND national league this year?

by larry on Mar 31, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not the Twins, then who?

I heard they played with themselves in the World Series in 2009, that’s how they won it all.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flagged.

Idiotic question. If history is made, it will be made by a Twin.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First time for me, too. The Buehrle quote is pretty funny.

I also like the Spanish quote by Alexei in the Quentin swing video that is also on MLB.

Go Sox!

by luzinski on Mar 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Sodfather was solid also

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the Sodfather....

Which reminded me – I effing HATE the new style of baseball caps.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

arent those used in spring training only?

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Mar 31, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure...I hope so.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's the same as the past few years

they wear the new era 3930s during spring training (low profile, breathable mesh, stupid accent stripe on the side)

when the season begins, they switch to the new era 5950s (regular profile, no stupid accent). the difference from ’07 being that last year NE introduced a blend, rather than 100% wool (thank god) and made the underside of the bill black rather than silver.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 31, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks...nice, hehe.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spoken like a true Cuban

I can’t understand what the hell he says.

“Dos patis” = “de todas partes”? Fucking Cuban Spanish. Bastards.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the aspirated "s" used in Cuba and elsewhere is a real challenge.

This style of pronunciation is similar to where I live, although here there are several other nuances. None of these changes make it easy for us gringoes to understand what is being said.

Go Sox!

by luzinski on Mar 31, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where you at?

And thank you for assuming that I’m a gringo ;)

It’s a combination of speaking very quickly and not enunciating half of the syllables that kills it for me. As far as I know, Cubans are the worst with Puerto Ricans not far behind. I have relatively little trouble understanding Spanish from other countries.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense intended on the gringo comment. I was refering to myself and fellow expats here in Chile.

Most Chileans will admit they speak very fast and have generally lazy pronunciation. I find it very hard to follow.

Go Sox!

by luzinski on Mar 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No offense taken

Chile, eh? Sounds pretty sweet to me. I hope you’re having a blast.

I was talking with someone recently that had taken a cruise from Chile to San Francisco and he remarked that Chile, and South America as a whole, was not being affected by the world financial crisis. Any thoughts?

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rhythm and his cruises...

He also doesn’t care much for me, so I expect me posting on these things to piss him off.
by U-God on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM CST

by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 31, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

caracas was the same hive of insecurity and inequity that i remembered from '01/'02, if that helps

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Mar 31, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brazil is kicking ass,

though the other countries with leanings Left (Venezuela, Peru, etc.) are getting hammered. And crime is a major issue anywhere in SA. (Though I can’t trhow stones – my mother-in-law was victimized yesterday afternoon in broad daylight in a parking lot fronting a busy street – smash and grab. We were watching the kid at gymnastics practice. Found out within 5 minutes that another person had the same thing happen 2 weeks earlier – same circumstances. And a client just returned from Paris where she said the biggest concern was being pickpocketed or mugged. Guess crime’s a beeyatch all over.)

Chile has weathered the storm fairly well, though Argentina is still struggling (they nationalized the pension in October to pay the public debt, all without consulting the pensioners/taxpayers – nice!) Bottom line – your friend is delusional, though Brazil is a shining star, and Columbia is improving.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Apr 1, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Bottom line – your friend is delusional"

My thoughts as well, but I wasn’t going to argue seeing as I haven’t looked into it. Thanks for the input, OPOS.

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Apr 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're all better than the fucking Swiss.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the Danes.

The Danes are evil.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just the swiss.

I can lead you to 4 Wisdom, but I can't free your brain from the evil of Punto.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay there Austin Powers

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Apr 1, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't imagine that the Swiss speak Spanish all that well

which was the fucking point, jackass.

;)

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Apr 1, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VG.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indispensable.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Mar 31, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just noticed

that the first line of this post says “dismal,” instead of “dismissal.” fitting.

by Ryno on Mar 31, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cheat was so into the "unceremonious" part

he gakked on the “dismissal”. Because it was FULL of ceremony.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG THIS ONE IS THE BEST

THE DOTEL INTERVIEW

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?c_id=cws

There was an incident a few years ago. The Bulls were killing the Knicks, scrubs were playing out the clock, and the fans were screaming at them to score 100 points for free Big Macs. They took a ton of shots, Knicks took offense and they tried to fight some Bulls players.

by Ozzie Montana on Feb 19, 2009 5:25 PM EST

by Jbasic89 on Mar 31, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Were chickens clucking in the background?

He’s a basso mofo, ain’t he?

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...

"A dope trailer is no place for a kitty." - Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)

by tailgater on Mar 31, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

flagged

far too SSH like

i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005

by BoeJouma on Mar 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here comes the choke.....

Can you deny it any longer?

Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cowley and The Score

Not sure if this has already been posted, I have been busy working for the “Man” to keep up – but did anyone see that Mr. Joseph Cowley is now the official White Sox Insider for the Score. I’m not sure how the f*ck larry got passed up for this gig…but now Joe is a leg up.

larry: Editor SSS, Official News Filter SSS, Known Horse Murderer, Chairman and Founder of the Nancy Faust Fan Club, Chief of the “Stupid Comment Police”.

Cowley: Sox Twitter afficiendo, Sun Times Beat Reporter, Q-Tip Addiction Anonymous survivor, The Score’s Sox Insider, Suspected Cuban Refugee Wooden Raft Captain.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 31, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

larry, I would have to agree

I think your resume is a little bit more recession proof and the job security is better. You can always fall back on being Lady Gaga’s sound board operator. (I know your a fan)

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BobbySouthSide:

Financial Slave, larry’s Lickspittle, Henpecked Husband, Cowley Stalker, So Taguchi Agent.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot Crystal Meth distributor and loan shark.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 31, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Future Delray Beach Snowbird.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Florida Real Estate Speculator

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 31, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then buy now!

One of my clients just came in and said he bought a 2800 sf. new home, 3 car garage, pool, etc. in Clermont, for $260K (was $437K last year). Paid cash. Decent deals if you are looking to relocate/retire here, though I might not speculate/flip yet.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is insane!

My thinking is that it is going to take at least 10-years for the Florida Real Estate Market to come back…so getting in now, would be a long term investment (not speculate like I mentioned) – but well worth it, if you can get the right location. Problem is my wife wants to move into a house and out of the condo (4th floor, no elevator) we are living in now. So all disposible cash is going towards that (and Ford Stock which I am riding high!!)..leaving very little for the Florida investment.

Can you give me a loan? I am good for it! You are right, now is the time!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 31, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alexei Sox ad?
A Spanish language commercial (with English subtitles) staring shortstop Alexei Ramirez is quite moving. In it we hear him talk about how — in homage to his deceased grandmother — he looks toward heaven whenever he hits a home run. It’s a most-touchingly rendered piece of work — made more so by the emotional musical underscoring.

http://www.suntimes.com/business/lazare/1503242,CST-FIN-lew31.article

I see 5 other Sox ads here http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/fan_forum/ad_vote.jsp but not the Alexei one, does anyone have a link?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 31, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Paulie and the needle
How does White Sox captain Paul Konerko know the shot he got in his injured right thumb 10 days ago is working?

It passed the ultimate test – more than once.

“I was blown up inside a few times this last week, and it feels good,” Konerko said.

“There’s no better test than that.”

Konerko knows all about testing the chronic injury, as well as failing that test. Last April, he got jammed on an inside pitch by Mike Mussina, starting a downhill slide with both the thumb and his production.

By the time Konerko opted for a shot to relieve the pain, he had hit .191 in May and .217 in the first half. As the hand got healthy, he hit .333 in August and hit nine of his 22 home runs in September.

Point made.

“The hand is good, and the shot is done,” Konerko said Saturday. "It was just a precautionary thing so I don’t have to go through what I did last year. I don’t want it to get to that point.

“There is no foolproof plan with this, but you can definitely tell that it calms it down. Obviously, hitting the ball on the barrel will help. Getting jammed doesn’t help. Last year, by the time I got the shot, it was too late, and I didn’t want it to get there again.”

Konerko said the shot – which has a mix of cortisone in it – should be administered only three times a year.

He plans to get another one near the end of July and see if that can get him through the rest of the season.

“It’s about staying a little ahead of the game,” he said.

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1501921,033009sptmsoxntbk.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Mar 31, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Buehrle, now Paulie.

Who needs PED’s? We got cortisone and novacaine.

If hate were people, I'd be China.

by winningugly on Mar 31, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once a month, you do.

If Viagra counts as a PED, OPOS.

;)

You are right. But larry is actually a prick too.
- HSA 01/07/09

by rhythm on Mar 31, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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