AL Central 3B WARs
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 9:00 AM CST
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Train arrives, sixteen coaches long.
Joe Crede Is A Twin
Great defense, solid offense, a ton of pop ups and a creaky back. He's certainly capable of outhitting that projection and the Twins got him for only $2.5 million guaranteed. That baseline jumps based on his performance from plate appearance 250 onward. I wonder what Joe thinks of hopping on the Boras train now? Either way, the Twins are pretty well set at 3rd. Buscher isn't amazing, but no one in this group shows him up.
CHONE suggests that Betemit should/could/ornot win the third base job in the end. But it comes away with that result because Josh Fields' defense is expected to be in the realm of movehimtotheoutfield bad at third.* For Fields' to beat these projections, he'll need his legs to be fully healthy all season and for those reps with Cora to pay off. Betemit isn't a bad cheap bet to make either. Between those two, Dayan Viciedo and possibly even Gordon Beckham, KW should be able to find a suitable long term solution at third.
Alex Gordon is not that bad at defense. I don't know why CHONE would spit that out, since he's had over one and a half full seasons of plus defense according to bUZR. I remember him getting good reviews for his defense in the minors, too. Gordon is looking more and more like the player the Royals thought they were drafting and he may well be primed for a break out. He took a ton more walks, hit for a bit more power and average. One might say he upped his game. Particularly if the Indians stick DeRosa at third instead of Peralta, Gordon's my pick to end up at the top of the heap by season's end.
You Kind Of Skipped Over How The Sox Will Fare In The Short Term
Yes. Yes I did. It's hard to say exactly. SSS already did a community projection and I for one submitted that Fields would post a .240/.310//.460 line this season. He can mash lefties and recognizes off speed stuff remarkably well. But if he can't get around on a major league right handed fastball on a regular basis, he's far from an ideal solution. Betemit I have even less a feel for. I've never seen him play and there's not a ton of sparkle to him thanks to his listing splits as a switch hitter. Betemit probably can't hit lefties. Fields may not be able to hit righties. What a coincidence!
So: the Sox have a choice between the short term gain (by assuming that Fields and Betemit are as good as they are going to be and as such make a great platoon) and the long (affording Fields an opportunity to cement himself could pay off). Fields hit .283/.389/.504 in 450+ PAs in the minors and ..303/.363/.667 in 136 PA in the majors off LHP. By comparison, Betemit has hit a career .232/.276/.360 off southpaws, but .269/.339/.460 off RHP. The defense would still suck, but that's a combined above average stick. Enough to probably get back a win lost to the Tigers and Indians elsewhere. But not enough to make it a guaranteed good idea.
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killin it colin
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 9:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
programming note - split squad activity today with oakland at 2:05 and then the cubs on mlb.tv at 9:05.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
and WGN at 9:05
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im not the math guy that you are so can you please tell me
where Fields would fit on the chart if
A) He’s the reg the whole year and puts up a .800 ops (which is somewhere around his 70th PECOTA percentile- definitely possible)
B) He actually has improved a little on defense (the Cora legend)
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 4, 2009 9:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also even though I know you mentioned it
Everything I read has Derosa at 3b. Peralta at SS and Cab at 2B. Its seems folks keep trying to compile the most efficient lineup for the Indians even though right now its not realistic.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice post colin.
wish other members of this site would take notice…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 9:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice analysis.
Although a mention of Viciedo might make sense.
I doubt Viciedo makes the team, but the Sox seem to want to give him a shot.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed, i think he will be in the mix sooner than we expect.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a projection for viciedo seems highly speculative at this point.
and likely worthless.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did jre call for a projection?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
“Although a mention of Viciedo might make sense.”
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 4, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did jre call for a projection?
once again larry is a big boy and doesn’t need the whole board jumping in when someone responds to one of HIS posts. Someday you youngsters will learn to mind your own and stand on your own 2.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
isn't tdogg your age or older?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn dude
just trolling not that serious chief.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTGTD is the new self-appointed Police Chief
for cross-talk.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Respect his authoritay!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RESPECT MINES
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol you can thank u-god for my sudden outbursts...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought i saw a projection for viciedo, it sucked, somethin like 220/280/340
i could be wrong though, i was halfway drunk and looking up projections some night earlier this week, i could be entirely wrong
by madvillian on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only place i've seen projections for players coming from other non-US leagues is PECOTA. and clay and nate haven't gotten to that yet this year, though i posted clay's thoughts on the subject a few weeks back.
they got alexei pretty good last year so….
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from the post
"Between those two, Dayan Viciedo and possibly even Gordon Beckham, KW should be able to find a suitable long term solution at third. "
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I liked what I saw of him in those two at-bats Saturday.
I got the same feeling that I got when I saw Alexei the first few times last year. I’m not saying they’re similar across the board….but, and I know this is very unscientific, he really looked “hitterish,” to use an old Jimmy Piersall term. It turned out that Alexei was OK….I’m hoping the same for Viciedo. He was not intimidated, at all. And, like Hawk said, he did remind me somehow of Bill Madlock in his mechanics, finish, or something.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
he certainly looked great on sunday flailing at three straight pitches.
not a tv performer.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it was the Sunday game I'm referring to.
I know what you mean……selectivity probably won’t be a strong suit, meaning high OBP or batting average numbers may be a little unrealistic. But I don’t think anybody expects those to be strengths…..if he can be inbetween say a Fields and Alexei in those departments and give us slugging….I think that’s what we’re all hoping.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also hopeful
Out of the gaping question marks at 3B, 2B and CF, 3B should be the least worrisome. One of these guys could end up being a pleasant surprise. If Colon & Contreras are somewhat healthy and a solid BP, some decent production from 3B might be enough to win the division.
Wilder Bilked Money from Sox to Fund Struggling Gay Bar
by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
???
NOW YOUR TALKING!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The division sucks baby! It's there for the taking.
If C&C are halfway healthy the Sox have a very solid pitching staff, we might get away with some big holes in the lineup. And if Thome stays healthy, and PK, and JD, and AJ…
The big plus is that we play half our games against the other stiffs in our division.
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by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA!
I don’t see the quantum leap these other teams supposidly took… I see the same group of guys who won a division crown last year minus 2 bums. OCab was pretty good but nothing overly special. We got rid of Javy because he was a head case and couldn’t find the plate the last month of the season. Even if CorC fails I would imagine we have a young pitcher who can step in and throw .500 ball. I will take our team over the Indians depleted offense, Detroits lack of an overall pitching staff, and the Twins luck.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon Beckham will be the real deal....in a hurry.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Could it be?
June 1….Gordon Beckham recalled from AA Birmingham…..Sox undecided on whether he should play second…..or take over at ss For Alexei Ramirez….who may be ticketed for cf…..a very unproductive hole thus far for the Chisox….
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donating to bally's suggested charitable cause is not money down the drain, loser. :D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugod - the books came in yesterday, do you still want a copy?
email drosfib@gmail.com with your mailing address and i’ll send it out soon.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 4, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
books?
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i ordered 4
me, my bro, WU, and if ugod doesn’t want it, i think hsa expressed interest…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 4, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think correctly.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which book.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
try following along more closely if you want free stuff.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
neither are really my style.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure seem eager to horn in on it.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim's.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SoxMachine
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sounds good
i love that that is your e-mail address
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no intent to use it regularly
email me promptly, and i’ll get it out to you soon. thanks!
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
already done man
and thank you
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you use edit grid for these?
I don’t think that google should get all our business, and the wankers went offline for hours last week, couldn’t get my g mail
many thanks
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't see it anyway. My company blocks it as "Personal Network Storage".
Btw, do know the music of David Gray? Just heard a song called “Shine”. Reminds me of a cross of Bob Dylan and James.
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Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
I know when someone has put one of his records on, the mice start throwing themselves onto the traps
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds promising!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've never used edit grid
and i have everything already saved in g-docs
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it finally official?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lillibridge gets the start at leadoff, while BA starts in right field. Colon and Contreras each threw 45 pitches with no problems. 28 minutes ago
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
danks of the jordan variety also starting in CF.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lillibridge at 2b or ss?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well that answered that
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By Mark Gonzales
GLENDALE, Ariz. – Jose Contreras and Bartolo Colon each threw 45 pitches Wednesday morning in their latest stage of rehabilitation.
Contreras’ location was noticably better than Monday, when he threw off a mound for the first time since tearing his left. Achilles tendon last August.
Colon threw with more velocity. Colon had bone chips removed from his right elbow last fall.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s are Wednesday’s lineups:
WHITE SOX
Lillibridge 2b
Ramirez ss
Quentin lf
Thome dh
Viciedo 3b
Anderson rf
Allen 1b
Danks cf
Stewart c
Broadway p
OAKLAND
Buck rf
Cunningham lf
Sweeney cf
Chavez dh
Powell c
Carter 1b
Hannahan 3b
Cardenas 2b
Petit ss
Eveland p
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
does anyone believe Lillibridge could win the job outright?
Gordon Beckham 1.405 OPS so far this spring
by e-gus on Mar 4, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's a girl.
GLENDALE, Ariz. – White Sox staff ace Mark Buehrle and wife Jamie became parents Tuesday to a six-pound, seven-ounce girl named Brooklyn Jayden.
The baby is the couple’s second child. Buehrle is expected to stay with his family in Missouri before rejoining his teammates on Sunday.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
congrats to Mark
if he somehow fins his way to our site
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
have you lot seen our esteemed Prime Minister on your tellys,
doing his international statesman impression? Everyone finds it funny as usually he blames America for the credit crunch despite the fact that self certs and liar loans happened on a massive scale on his watch here.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and it is now official
That’s good for us right? In the aspect that our sandwich pick won’t be pushed back one like it would if Manny signed elsewhere?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what is a sandwich pick?
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can read the post on cabrera to find out.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why don't they just call the sandwich round
the second round? and move the second round to the third and so forth. It would make it easier to understand is I could read ‘Sox get a second round pick’, instead of all this nonsense about sandwiches and supplemental picks.
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because not every team gets a pick in the sandwich round
so its not really the second round
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what
just because not everyone gets a pick, they could say something like " Second Round * " and the “*” would refer to all the teams that were excluded for those that could be bothered to read it.
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds just as complex as calling it the supplemental first round
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so what is sort of what i'd reply to your consternation regarding the naming.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should re name it to
‘restricted second round’, or something like that
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've got no clue what that means either without the context.
again, who cares if they call it strawberry sprinkes round.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no but it then follows logically
as it contains the word second, and it comes straight after the first round, a sandwich does not follow logically from first
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then what do we do with the second round supplemental? third round supplemental?
have a round with one team picking? stupid.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well why not move the teams
with the sandwich picks to the top of the order for their respective rounds and move them back down again after the round is over, that way it’s fair and you can have a first round, second round and so forth
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good idea non?
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what is a spinke?
never heard of them, is that like an ice lolly? I couldn’t find anything on google about them
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad I saved this half of the thread for all at once. I'm dying here.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first round supplemental really doesn't work for you?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because it's not a full round. and theoretically doesn't necessarily have to exists.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait to see the TAEG recap of this exchange.
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by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
another total waste of time. naming things. i shouldn't even bother.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can feel you straining at the leash.
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Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lar...
what do you think….was it better we got the two lower picks, or would we have been better off with, say, no20ish had Toronto signed him? Eh.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is that a real question
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, the difference would be a first or second round pick. always get the supp.
so the toronto pick would be better. but them’s the breaks.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its kind of like asking
hey, would it be better if i found a $20 and a $5 on the ground, or if a i found 2 $5 bills
and i’m sorry if that came off as a dick thing to say, my bad dante
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, whereas I respect you opinion....
I’m not sure I agree. I guess it depends on each particular draft’s depth, number of upper echelon talent…..etc.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how having a pick forty-five ahead of someone else is worse.
especially considering what we know about the difference between first round and second round talent.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I need clarification.
We don’t get TWO picks IF Toronto signs him, right? In other words….we get a first-rounder, but no sandwich, cxorrect?
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
read my post above at 1:23
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
we get the first rounder and the sandwich
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is the sandwich the second round restricted supplemental?
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by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The sub-thread that wouldn't die.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's right though
should be re named, it’s silly, they need to get their act together on this kind of thing, it’s very confusing. I mean in a true free market there would be none of this nonsense, players leave when the contracts are up and go play for whoever they want (usually who offers them the most cash), that’s how it works in football.
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just go answer my music question and leave the editors alone.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams has asked that question and other questions in as many different ways as he could to doctors, trainers and “anyone that will listen.” Every response came back that Contreras was not in danger for future Achilles’ problems through his amazing return.
“I’ve been assured that the way the rehab was, the way this injury happened and the way it was healed, it all works together,” Williams said. "It needed to be tested to see how far you can take it, and then you continue to test it. It does nothing but strengthen. It doesn’t tear away from any of your progress.’’
http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/a_healthy_confidence.html
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"I'm a nice, good looking guy that is going to work as hard as I can to win a World Series."
by thecip on Mar 4, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
updated june draft order
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=552
white sox 28, 38, and 61.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you mean 23rd right?
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody see Rogers' 25 man prediction?
He didn’t have gETZ ON IT.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stan?
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hoodie's cat?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
salary commitments for 2012
white sox have nothing other than viciedo, quite low on the list for a major market team.
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/baseball/blog/2009/03/the_commitments.html
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Quite low, indeed.
Already $91 million for the Yanks. Wow. Boston is only at a third of that. But when we extend Linebrink’s contract for an additional 4 years….
by palehose67 on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
$18m each for Carlos Lee and Torii Hunter. Wow.
Just, wow.
by Sox-35th on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oH, AND lar....
despite most everyone’s consternation of Rogers doing the top 30 for Baseball America….in all, it’s a better buy than Sickels’ prospect book….I got both.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That can't be possible. One has been doing it (very well) for decades, the other...
says a team had a good off-season if they acquired more players than it lost.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been getting BA for years....
this was my first Sickels buy.
by dantesox on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Other than colin's cogent analysis,
this thread has certainly regressed from yesterday’s to the mean.
(Yawn.)
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
have you got no thought on re naming the sandwich / supplemental pick to something more meaningful?
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i love that this is your crusade.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 6, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there is a baseball game going on, you know
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_03_04_chamlb_oakmlb_1
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No new thread?
Who’s slacking?!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my contract is very specific on this point. i don't do gamethreads.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical democrat.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat has been notably absent from today's festivities.
colin and U-God can do it.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not available til dinner time on wesnesdays
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 4, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, an employee with demands.
You sound like larry.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wait till they unionize
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
got let go from my job today
this can only bode well, as now i can keep up with the afternoon ST games
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bad luck mate
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but kinda good?
im a pretty big optimist, so im not truly worried about it.
maybe in 2 weeks time i will be
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good in the sence of more baseball...
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 4, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just a shame it didn't happen closer to opening day.
Could have maximized the time off.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 4, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta be an optimist in those situations
…I’d be calm for like 5 minutes and then panic and send my resume out in a mass mailing.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got it yesterday.
Haven’t looked at it yet.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got what? My resume?
If so, ignore the parts about Porn Star in the early 90’s.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't have put the picture on the cover page.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what job do you do?
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 4, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not only is my avatar the background on my iphone
but its also of the guy who should be starting day CFer
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 4, 2009 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't that the catch that ended 163?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't look like the cell in the background
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a dome.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like away uniform pants
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 5, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Tampa (the 404 looks familiar).
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, this is true.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
id love to see a fly ball to center
and danks with an OF assist to end this inning
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 4, 2009 2:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gamethread posted.
"I'm a nice, good looking guy that is going to work as hard as I can to win a World Series."
by thecip on Mar 4, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
colin
Between those two, Dayan Viciedo and possibly even Gordon Beckham, KW should be able to find a suitable long term solution at third.
why will we even think of playing beckham at 3B? I can understand moving him to 2B if he doesn’t have the tools to play SS, but 3B? isn’t it better to use him at the most difficult position in the defensive spectrum?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2009 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
3B and 2B are likely the same on the spectrum.
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by larry on Mar 4, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They take separate skill sets
Beckham has the skills for both, but I think 3B would be slightly better for him. It just depends on which current infielder isn’t good enough, to me. I don’t think any higher-ups in the system are going to force him into a position this year or next. He’ll just play where it’s convenient at the time, which is fine, to me.
by Daniel Berlyn on Mar 4, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you through yet?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant from this AM.
But always a pleasure, Dan.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 4, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you two would end up together.
/obligatory
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 4, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they do not take separate skill sets
unless you’re defining “skill set” very narrowly.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's like larry said
Tango’s empirical evidence suggests that an average 2B will play -5 runs at SS and an average 3B will do approximately the same. likewise, when 2B and 3B switch positions, they tend to perform similarly. not to mention his fan scouting reports bear this out too, iirc.
the approximate athleticism and motor skills are definitely more or less the same across non-1B infielders, but SS are the best and the rest end up filtering to 3B/2B depending on team need and case-by-case arm/range issues. and personally, this observation rings true from everything i’ve seen when playing and watching the game.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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