Aaron Poreda Pitches Predictably
by The Cheat on Mar 5, 2009 12:42 AM CST
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It's late, so this is gonna be a quick one.
Aaron Poreda made his Chicago-area network debut Wednesday night. Sure, there were six innings of baseball before he took the mound -- Betemit and Konerko went deep, and some other stuff happend -- but the highlight for most Sox fans who frequent this site had to be Poreda's three innings of work to close out the game.
Poreda showed what he had, hitting an unreliable 97 on the WGN gun with his first pitch of the night. He would sit at 92-93 for most of the night. For perspective, John Danks was throwing between 90-95 in the first 3 innings of the game.
Poreda's fastball is as advertised, a plus pitch that can be downright nasty at times. He seemed to have good command of the pitch and showed a desire to attack the inner part of the plate, breaking 2 bats in the first 5 batters he faced. In fact, two of the hits he allowed were jam-shots on inside fastballs.
Unfortunately, that was about all Poreda showed us. He didn't strike anyone out, didn't induce many swing-and-misses, and most importantly, didn't show a second major league pitch. I honestly didn't see a breaking ball (although Larry commented about one in the gamethread), but his changeup left a lot to be desired. You could see him slow his motion on the pitch.
Poreda could probably pitch effectively out of the bullpen this year, and his ability to saw off right-handers might allow him him to be more than a LOOGY. But the lack of a secondary pitch should have him returning to the minors to continue his (lack of) development.
Who Makes up a Poreda-less Pitching Staff?
Right now it's Contreras, Colon, Marquez and Richard fighting for the two final spots in the rotation. If Poreda isn't on the team, Richard figures to be the teams second lefty and primary long-man. Which means that Marquez represents the Sox fall back option should Colon or Contreras be unable to make a speedy recovery.
In other words, go Jack Egbert! He'll need a lights out spring just to get in the conversation. But if he has a strong spring, the Sox have to give him a look... given the alternatives.
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"It's late, so this is gonna be a quick one."
thats what she said
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 5, 2009 12:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 5, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I admit, I cringe every time someone says that now. It was funny still mayyyybe through season 2. Now, however, I hear it at least twice PER DAY, even when it does not apply or is so blatantly obvious that it's just not funny.
Not picking on you in particular, BJ, but I just saw that MM said it in another thread and just heard my coworker say it for the first time today, and my head’s about to explode.
:D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just stumbled onto this one. wouldn't have used it if i knew it had just been whipped out.
that’s what…
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok, MM. I still think anything you say is funnier than anything anyone else could ever say.
err. sorta.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
excuse me while i whip this out
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 5, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the funniest scenes in cinematic history.
I’ve seen it hundreds of times and still crack up.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pahps made me watch this when I was just a wee one. A favorite to this day...especially now that I get the jokes.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your coworker?
that’s sexual harassment. and you don’t have to take it.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. Will you represent me?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure, for about 42 minutes. and then i'll de-client you.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not paying for the time you spend on SSS, by the way.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, she does.
Remember her job?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but is it ok to use if you've been using it since Wayne's World?
I get annoyed at ppl who say I’m trying to be Michael Scott, when I’m really trying to emulate Wayne Campbell.
by Crede's Crew on Mar 5, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally annoying that it has to be this way because I also worship Wayne Campbell...but The Office is where it gained popularity, so all these fucks around me are quoting Michael Scott. And since most of them joined the Office bandwagon in the last year
or so, it still seems really funny to them in large doses.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya...it's gotten overboard
You would want to kill this dude I know who uses TWSS at every opportunity, as you said, even incorrectly, and will use “TWSS” over facebook chat/IM… yikes
by Crede's Crew on Mar 5, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds exactly like my coworker. No joke. I bite my tongue so much, but one day I was just like, "Hey, does he even still say that on the show 5 seasons later?"
When she replied, “not often,” I wanted to be like, “THAT’S BECAUSE IT’S NOT FUNNY AFTER THE 17,000TH TIME YOU’VE HEARD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
ahem. Poor Wayne.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone still watch The Office?
I enjoyed the first couple seasons but right after the third or fourth season I stopped watching. People keep saying that it’s great great fun but I don’t necessarily trust the opinions of those people.
by CWSKeith on Mar 5, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still enjoy it.
The humor is as awkward and uncomfortable as ever.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
by Hazymania on Mar 5, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No longer a great sitcom like it was the first 2 seasons
But I still like it because there’s no more annoying Jim/Pam/Roy subplot, and it’s still funny as hell.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as good as 30 Rock
Baldwin and Tracey Morgan kill me.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't we collectively decide
that 30 Rock is the funniest thing on TV right now?
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 5, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wasnt in on that talk
but i can certainly get behind that decision
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 5, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we did
Followed closely by Always Sunny and South Park is still right there for me.
And as far as TWSS, I really don’t think most people understand that when Michael Scott was originally saying it (season 2), it wasn’t funny because Michael was being funny. It was funny because Michael was using tired and outdated humor. The context was “Michael is lame for using this phrase.” Now people look like idiots, just repeating it without that context. What’s more is I think the writers of The Office themselves have forgotten why they originally had him using it, as they have fallen back on it almost like a catchphrase.
Ironic that a show based off Ricky Gervais’ original British version of The Office has incorporated a catchphrase when Ricky’s second show, Extras, went to great lengths to ridicule the very idea of catchphrases.
by CatBrains on Mar 5, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here. Stopped in the 3rd. I'm sure it's still funny, but it's not enough to keep my weekly attention. To answer your question, yes, at least in my office, I hear about it every single week.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We go for a TWSS moment every day.
Today’s was, “Tim just showed me it, but it hasn’t penetrated yet,” said by somebody who’s not in on it.
I mean, c’mon.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 5, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow. That is begging for it, no doubt. I believe there is a law that you can find a contextual occasion for TWSS in any place on the globe, every hour of every day.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the original version is far superior
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the English are the funniest people on the planet.
The Queen makes me laugh so hard I squirt.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck off you cunt
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops - sorry that looks very rude
it’s not that offensive when I say it to your face
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not rude at all.
The “c” word is used as often as “Mum” in England, yes?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Cueen Mum"
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 5, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes it's common here
only in social situations mind
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you laugh at the queen?
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let me guess!!!
A british 5 star general??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this one
In the long run, it would be best for Poreda to spend some time in Charlotte’s rotation working on getting his slider and changeup to levels where he at least is comfortable using them in the majors. He’d pitch a whole lot more and probably have a lot more success starting every five days in the minors than intermittently making mopup bullpen appearances early in the year.
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by UribeAuction on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, we should probably give him more than one 3 IP trial
but i agree with that as a preliminary report.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
This is spring training, so we really have no idea what Poreda or Coop wanted to accomplish on the mound last night. That said, I agree with your overall assessment of last night, and I think at this point I’d rather see Poreda pitching every 5th start in Charlotte. Of course, I’m also a little more optimistic about Marquez than others on SSS (which means I actually have a sliver of optimism).
by palehose67 on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am on the record of not bashing Marquez
I said wait until we see him this spring.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
t minus 5.5 hours for that.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, and the first outing wasn't too shabby
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our fearless editor
staying up till almost one to keep us informed
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 5, 2009 8:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’m feeling better about this years starting pitching staff then I thought I would… but of course its early
"...and when it comes to baseball, we have two favorite clubs: the Go-Go White Sox...and whoever plays the Cubs!!!"
by 815Sox on Mar 5, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry if i wasn't clear - i was referring to his slider
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hearing in the morning
but still checks in, now thats commitment
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
by Illini0509 on Mar 5, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm on the hearing right now.
telephonic appearances are great.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you are giving your client your full attention.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because i should be paying attention to the fifteen other matters before mine?
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And the firm will bill the client for all the time you are on the phone?
Then, yes, they should get your full attention.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, i'll certainly look forward to my 1.5 hours of staring at the wall.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...you're thinking is the client will pay the bill
who the hell pays bills anymore??? Geeze…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its called a "hearing", not an "attention-paying"
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 5, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Cooper say anything of note about his outing?
IMO, seems a bit early to start talking about successful improvement of secondary pitches. Poreda should be pitching in Charlotte when the team breaks in April. Bring him up in August if he continues to improve.
by madvillian on Mar 5, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I did not get to see the game/Poreda pitch, but I did get to watch the whole Mariners/Australia game.
M’s hung with Aus pretty impressively, only losing 11-9.
Griff didn’t die.
Mike Wilson, a minor-league outfielder 7 years into the M’s system, gave me the biggest highlight when he miscalculated a catch and went face-first into the Hooters Peoria sign (which, even though it’s AZ, still makes me picture hoodie’s hometown)…but made up for it an inning or two later by making a diving catch….which I suppose could have been just a catch had he gotten on alright jump on it. Still. He looked comparable to Raul out there.
I also enjoyed the Australian uniforms – I think those were little sunflowers on their jerseys. Or butterflies.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this was fanshot - no, fanpost - worthy.
i’ve been to hooters peoria. nice.
article needed pictures, however. especially mike wilson into the owl.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooters Peoria is probably even better now
with the recession in full tilt. Cheaper wings and chicks that got laid off from Catepillar now working at than fine establishment.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot chicks work at Caterpiller?
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Mar 5, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
chicks that can put a 13,400 HP diesel engine together before you can finish your breakfast. Chicks that think shaving their legs is something only frat boys and NFL wide receivers do. Chicks that could slam 4 beers before WTGTD could finish sipping his apple martini.
Chicks that drink motor oil to keep regular.
Chicks that ride a harley to work, in January.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WU's ex wives?
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 5, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly,
I don’t think any of these Catepillar chicks ever were on their boys junior college wrestling teams. A prerequisite to be hitched to WU – he likes chicks with cauliflower ears.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious, Roberto.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I hit the 75 word requirement?? Sweeeeeeet.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's fair to say he needs to be in AAA
However, we should be glad he doesn’t totally suck.
by KillaAK on Mar 5, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dow down 235, or 3.5%...
…this is getting ridiculous.
Need the game to start to get my mind off of the financial markets.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
getting hammered over here. long a bunch of financials. no uptick. so weak.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's everyone doing with Citi?
unreal how that has fallen…..
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm long a lot from 1.20. hoping for some kind of bounce.
then again, i’m long bac, jpm and wfc, too, so i might not be the right person to speak on this subject. i thought we were going to get a relief rally but yesterday up and vanished quickly.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, Dow was rallying up about 250 and couldn't keep
up a head of steam and fell back.
Financial stocks are scary right now – don’t know if these banks know what they have on the books in terms of bad assets/liabilities, if they are lying or just delaying giving out the info.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweden, on the other hand, had a problem like this. They took over the banks, nationalized them, got rid of the bad assets, resold the banks and, a couple years later, they were going again. So you’d think looking at it, Sweden looks like a good model. Here’s the problem; Sweden had like five banks. [LAUGHS] We’ve got thousands of banks. You know, the scale of the U.S. economy and the capital markets are so vast and the problems in terms of managing and overseeing anything of that scale, I think, would — our assessment was that it wouldn’t make sense.
But are we really thinking about thousands of banks? Here’s Martin Wolf, today:
The four biggest US commercial banks – JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America and Wells Fargo – possess 64 per cent of the assets of US commercial banks (see chart) [chart not available online]. If creditors of these businesses cannot suffer significant losses, this is not much of a market economy.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the stocks certainly aren't acting as though they can weather the storm.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you going to Australia as a stowaway with that portfolio?
Fer Chrissakes.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i might just have to try to start a new life there.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
[insert joke about australia being haven for criminals and debtors]
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
[thought it was implied]
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 5, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just sick
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 5, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't you be looking for a job?
Quit playing around!
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brutal, WU.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So how much stock do the US Taxpayers own of this crap??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
36% of the company.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fantastic...
can’t wait until GM fails too…unreal. (Slam fist)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Knowing that I’m an idiot going in, this is what I’m sure is a stupid question, but.. clearly tons of people have citi credit cards. The Credit Card collapse is coming or is in swing now. When one of these companies goes down like a WaMu or Citi, the shareholders seem to get nothing, but those who are still have credit card or mortgage debt, end up having to continue paying just to whatever company picks up the pieces.
Considering the banks have such a high duplication of jobs and will really only keep those in lower level teller / branch manager positions, where they need a physical presence, etc.. why do the people who owe money still pay? I’m sure there is an obvious answer for this, and feel free to blast me for being an idiot but it just seems unfair to me that tax payers are paying money to keep these companies afloat, then they go bankrupt, shareholders lose all money, but those who owe the bank money are still going to have to pay someone else. What sense does that make?
by Grinder in Training on Mar 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WaMu was purchased by JP Morgan/Chase
Therefore, JP Morgan takes on their credits and debits – in most intances. Thus, your mortgage is transfered over to them. Mortgages used to be and still are sold to other institutions all the time…that doesn’t mean you can walk away from them. Same holds true with your credit card. The whole description of your credit score is what (used) keeps people paying these. A lot of people are filing for bankruptcy walking away from their homes and the banks are taking the brunt of it…that is where all the shareholder money is going – to cover the losses.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't even get into an explanation,
though the The whole description of your credit score is what (used) keeps people paying these. A lot of people are filing for bankruptcy walking away from their homes and the banks are taking the brunt of it…that is where all the shareholder money is going – to cover the losses. piece is simplistic and incorrect.
However, for the first time in modern history, the question GIT poses – “why do people still pay?” is up for grabs. Institutions, for the first time, are now becoming more concerned with “willingness to pay” vs. “ability to pay”, since many who are “able” are deciding “no, thanks, you can have my house” and walking. Lendees have more power than ever. Very interesting dynamics being played out.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Try to get a mortgage or refi right now without a +750 credit score &
20% down. Won’t happen.
With GIT asking “why pay”…well, until that changes I think there is a pretty good reason why you should pay.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well clearly if you can pay, you should. Especially if said Mortgage company is still in business. That’s not really what I’m getting at.
My question comes back to if that company that owns your mortgage goes bankrupt, the home owner is still going to have to pay even though the shareholders get nothing? Didn’t WaMu file chapter 11?
WaMu may be a bad example if they were picked up by JPM before they actually went through their bankruptcy, but regardless, if a company that I have a mortgage with goes bankrupt, I’m still going to have to keep paying someone, but those who were invested in that company and had bought shares will get nothing.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 5, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the shareholders are the owners of the company. why should they get anything?
they’re last in line after all the creditors of the company – that’s how the capital structure of a company works. the now bankrupt company will sell whatever assets it can – such as your mortgage or credit card debt – in order to satisfy its creditors. then you have to pay the new owners of your debt. if by some miracle there were enough left over after all the creditors were paid, then the shareholders would get something.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arten't shareholders owners of the company
just like anything else? You lose your investment just like you would if you started a bank with a few friends and you all lost your ass. If you had mortgages on your books, they would be assets of your bank and they would be sold off to pay all of your creditors….you wouldn’t get shit unless there was money left after everyone got paid.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
please explain?
I just went through a refi and all the steps to qualify. I went to a few banks to get the best deal (rate/closing costs) and qualifications were about the same.
I have a co-worker who is closing this week and we discussed his refi and my sister is having trouble getting a mortgage because she doesn’t have much of a credit history even though she has 20% to put down.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do a self cert
it’s easy
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my credit score is
in that neighborhood, but didn’t need 80% down to get the refi done . . . maybe you aren’t going to the right places?
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Lots of my clients are getting refi’ed or buying (mostly refi’ing). Lots. With 5% minimum down for purchase. 5.125% 30 year fixed, 4.65% 15 year fixed.
‘course we are a credit union. Major banks are in a world of Pvt. Pyle right now and don’t have nearly enough people to process all of this. Go to your local community bank (not a money-center zombie bank) or a credit union and even you, BSS, will probably be eligible if you have equity and a good credit score/income history.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, credit union
is where I have my mortgage and go the refi . . . rates are bit higher for <20% down, but it can get done.
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Jackson sure picked the right time to make a comeback
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/05/uk.jackson.comeback/index.html
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 5, 2009 11:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hear hoodie is in line for tickets??
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shitty arse biscuits
my Prime Minister is a boss eyed wanker
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean you got front row?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fray Bentos
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that looks like crap even an irishman wouldn't eat.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't have Fray Bentos pies?
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
read this review - it's very funny
http://www.pie-man.com/worldofpies/ask/Stu.htm
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
by looking at that crap, one would wonder if I could come up with some sort of sad concoction and sell it as a flippin pie.
Times are tough now, and to put a whole meal in a pie is something that might be a hit. I’d have to start on the cheap end when it came to ingredients, so I could compete with the Fray Bentos.
I’m thinking, canned tuna, condensed milk, government cheese, pinto beans and peas with a dash of cinnamon? I’d call it “Mierda Pie”.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I ate half a fray bentos pie at my mates house the other night
after a night on the piss, they are edible, but as you eat them you think you are being experimented on with chemicals, a fear that grows exponentially when you look at the ingredients list on the can.
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are these what rot your teeth???
(sorry, I had too)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to go to the dentist next week
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think they had those in England??
(I’ll stop now)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they send for me every three years
she always tells me off for not doing the flossing thing, but I don’t know anyone who does that stuff anywhere
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just all kinds of wrong
Who are “they”??
Every three years? You go to the dentist 3 times a decade?!
You don’t know anyone that flosses?? Of all people in the world that should be flossing it is the English! I just picture a bunch of Brits sitting around talking with Fray Bentos Pie stuck in their crooked yellow teeth. No wonder the French surrendered!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see anything wrong
they is the dentists
yes every three years, that’s enough noone complains, if you get toothache you can get rushed through
flossing – better things to do than that
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, lets just say it all makes perfect sense to me now.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and it's free too
health care is free where I live
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you taxed?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
about 38%
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by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that explains
why you have ‘free’ health care that is actually way more expensive than the ‘non free’ healthcare that we have.
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what percentage of people are uninsured?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry?
none of them, there is no insurance, health care is free for all UK citizens
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 5, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i realize. was making a point about the tax issue brought up
but then again, i’m an acknowledged bleeding-heart.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 5, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With a 38% tax rate across the board,
it better be free. And the pension, no matter your salary/earnings throughout a lifetime, is the same for all. (A English client who is becoming naturalized tomorrow told me this tonight.) How egalitarian!
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 5, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's a guestimate
it’s not what I pay based on my wages, but all the other taxes and stuff. And your mate sounds like a fucking arsehole, there is nothing to stop you putting money into a private pension to top up the state pension when you retire.
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 6, 2009 8:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Private pension
sounds like insurance. Anyonecan do their own pension – we’re talking about the government pension. All he was saying is that it’s not based upon how much you earn, but that everyone gets the same.
And he’s the one paying the 38. He’s a pretty smart guy, and English, so I’ll take his word for it. 7 years ago Ireland was taxing to the tune of 48.
Shoot, hoodster, in 1980 the top tax rate in the US was 70. And your s was, what. 95 in the ’60’s?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 6, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
almost enough to drive a man to a life of crime.
oh. oops.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Mar 7, 2009 2:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Poreda's performance
last night was disappointing from my perspective. I have been a backer of him as a SP, but wow he has a long way too go there. Farther than I thought at this point. I read above and elsewhere stating to throw him in AAA . . . but, I imagine that if you value him as a SP that he should probably be going back to AA with JR Perdew. I now have increased doubt that he can be a SP since I did not see any semblance of a 2nd pitch, let alone a 3rd. I am just trying to keep a 3 innings stint in perspective (hard to do at this time of year, but you think you should have seen something else) . . . but knowing he threw close to zero offspeed pitches in his other spring outing, casts some serious doubt.
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
3 innings seems like plenty of time to show a 2nd pitch, with very little room for acceptable excuses why he didn't....it's a bummer, man. No need to give up hope, but I know we were all expecting lots more from him.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we were?
seems to me jim got it right on his blog. he was exactly as advertized.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all knew his changeup was
non-existent to weak, but I think there was some reason to expect a mediocre slider of some sort. But, we didn’t see that. We saw a well below average slider and well the changeup was as expected. I think there is a bit more to it than Jim states. Yes, we knew it was his weakness, but I thought he was more than just a one pitch pitcher. Maybe a one and half, where his slider is inconsistent but there. Just not the case. Hence my disappoinment that was probably built on expectations that were too great. He couldn’t pitch out of an MLB bullpen today and I know that was an assertion of many (that he could).
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
inconsistent doesn't necessarily mean there one pitch and not the next.
usually when you don’t have a feel for a pitch, you don’t for the whole game.
and that performance certainly said second LOOGY right now to me. which is sort of what his role would be in any white sox bullpen.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
with your first point which is why I don’t want to rush to judgements over one 3 inning stint.
I don’t agree with point #2 because I don’t think he would be terribly successful out of the bullpen yet . . . I would more side with Jim that he might be able to help with that role in the 2nd half of the year.
by jc2313 on Mar 5, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're kidding. a second LOOGY who wouldn't be terribly successful. let me know all the teams that have not one but two that are terribly successful.
it really does amaze me the expectations people have for the sixth guy in the bullpen.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox already have two
Thornton and Richard.
by jc2313 on Mar 6, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
done.
there’s a reason the “poreda in the bullpen” talk has ceased. richard doesn’t have to be in the rotation anymore with contreras and colon being ahead of schedule.
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by larry on Mar 6, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was. But then again, I like to use gut as an argument a lot. My gut tells me to remain hopeful.
I’ll be over here, waiting for another message from myself.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(Best In Show)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 5, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
macadamia nut...
Alexander Hamilton shot Alexander Hamilton...
by Hazymania on Mar 7, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wednesday night’s 7-6 victory over the Cubs provided for most White Sox fans an extended look at Aaron Poreda. Oddly enough, the most notable thing about Poreda’s appearance was that it failed to surprise in the least.
His strengths (fastball movement and location) were his strengths, and his weaknesses (a lack of secondary stuff) were his weaknesses. I suppose that’s good, because now we know what the Sox have on their hands.
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2009/03/05/15253.aspx
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs to go to AAA.
in AA, he can just blow people away. there are at least a few guys in the international league of the AAAA type who can get around on a legit fastball and punish you.
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and since you're a perdew fan, see this recent article (at bottom)
http://www.times-news.com/localsports/local_story_061001112.html?keyword=topstory
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by larry on Mar 5, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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