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Alexei Ramirez explains Cuban Pride: ''There are a lot of misperceptions. There is no pressure to play [in Cuba]; there are no guns pointed at you. There is just pure love of wanting to play the game by Cuban baseball players.

''The difference between Cuban ballplayers and players from the United States [is] players here play because that's their job. Cuban ballplayers play because of the encouragement from the province they're from, the town they're from, the region they're from. There is a sincere pride and passion for playing for your province. But no pressure.''

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I would probably consider "encouragement" from an entire region or province pressure.

but I’m pretty sure Alexei is alluding to pressure from the government (like China). Regardless, I know plenty of people who kept playing sports because of pressure from parents, let alone an entire town or province.

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Mar 8, 2009 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

more like govt like colombia

i would like to know what the reporter’s question was..

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 8, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do seem to recall some murdered World Cuppers there...

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

arod to have surgery, to miss 6-9 weeks

just going to get the hip scoped now, not fully repaired, which will happen after the season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/03/08/arod.surgery.ap/index.html

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just saw the headline in the times

i’m assuming the upper limit of 9 weeks includes rehab time, is this the kind of injury where there will be a great period of adjustment once he’s back on the field? he still might be worth a 2nd round pick in fantasy…

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 8, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

includes rehab.

not sure if that includes “baseball” rehab, but i assume so. if misses the first month and this isn’t going to completely fix the issue, i’d say that he’s not worth the #2. but he’s still a high pick.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do not take ARod in the first 2 rounds!

You don’t want any ??? marks with your 1st 3-4 picks. Let someone else worry about it.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you're saying don't draft pujols, either.

if everyone in your league waits 3-4 picks before taking arod, you’re probably playing in a secretaries league.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on the questions

And yes I stayed away from Albert last year in my leagues where I picked 6 or higher. Arod’s risk is much higher. Why on earth would you take a chance on him in the 1st 2 rounds? And no bud the secretaries league are yours. Mine are hard core.

By the way I rocked last year in all fantasy.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. because you play with a bunch of pussies. try a real league.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pussies pay cash

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. i can take money from pussies easily, too.

doesn’t mean i’m going to brag about it.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes u feel better

You don’t want major ??? marks in the first 4 rounds.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd agree with 2-3 rounds.

but if you’re waiting on one of the top, say, four best fantasy producers after that, prepare to get burned big time.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure Lar if you say so....

Yeah 4th round talent sucks.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

compared to arod?

yeah. it does. six weeks from his monday surgery means he misses about six regular season games. midpoint it and he’s missing fifteen.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if it works

Which isn’t a given. I’m not really sure what you are arguing. You kill me with this stuff. You don’t know everything. This isn’t just about Arod. The point is the player relative to expected round avoid major risk in the first 4 picks or so. For Arod that’s 1st and 2nd because someone will take him. He won’t be there in the 3rd or 4th. If one of the probable 3rd rounders has major questions then I say let someone take the chance.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

up here i'm being nailed for asserting a position without knowing everything, down there i'm being attacked for not asserting a postion because i don't know everything.

there are various levels of knowing. i don’t consider getting a hip scoped to be a particularly worrisome issue. frankly, i’d be kind of surprised if he isn’t playing (DHing specifically) in the first yankee series.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

feel free to harass anywhere. i know i do.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just as long as you know that don't speculate enough.

and you speculate too much.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet 200 million

He’s not.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow those stakes got high

Fast

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 8, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yankee contract stakes

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

question mark marks?

NOW STOP IT RIGHT HERE

by mjthor on Mar 9, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the Yankees' site?

Fer Chrissakes, larry, just sleep with him, already.

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 8, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gregor: don't expect contreras back until may
Gregor: There has been some talk about Contreras breaking training camp with the White Sox, but that would be really pushing it.

Contreras went down in early August last year with a torn Achilles’ tendon and it typically takes a year to come back from that injury. The veteran right-hander is a physical fitness fanatic, but don’t expect the Sox to activate him until May at the earliest.

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=277539&src=162

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and you can read everything else i've linked about this.

the herald has been doing a series on the various positions and you have to think a lot of this was written awhile back – though one would think they might revise things before publishing. i just posted it because it was different. i’d still be skeptical of opening day roster but “may at the earliest” sounds like what we were hearing three weeks ago.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

regarding opening day for both, though, it would be a bit unusual for pitchers - especially ones coming off injuries - to not even pitch in a ST game less than a month before they'd be pitching in a regular season game (4/10 will need sox "4th starter").

getting the requisite arm strength and so on just isn’t likely in that timeframe. it’s still more likely than not that marquez/richard, and perhaps both, will be required to start games in the first couple rotation turns.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm for any course of action that doesn't involve a quick return trip to the DL for either of C+C.

to me, getting a season’s worth of starts for C+C combined, say 35, would be a huge win for the sox.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, i guess our expectations have been raised recently.

i would have agreed with that a couple months ago. now i think it’s imperative to get 45 between them. and they most certainly both can’t be out at the same time. my confidence in richard holding the fort is already known here but, after that, i just can’t see where you get enough quality. i know cheat loves egbert and there are those who still think marquez can get it done and maybe poreda. perhaps the view of these guys will change by, say, june/july after more seasoning. but if the problems come early – god forbid they both have setbacks in ST or early in the season – the sox will be in trouble.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the sox were able to get, say, 95 starts from the top 3, plus an additional 45 from C+C

and only needed to get around 20 starts from richard, etc. then i would say that we would be in great position to have a very successful season. i just wouldn’t bet on the sox getting more than 15 or so starts from colon. for whatever reason, though, i am optimistic about the production we’ll see from contreras.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

colon, if he didn't ditch the red sox, probably would/could have made about 20 starts last season.

not saying i would bet on it but i think that’s a reasonable target for a successful season. 25 from contreras is a reasonable target for a successful season from him.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any interest in taking the over on a 22.5 starts from contreras and 17.5 from colon?

i’ll take the under. plus, it’s a bet that i’d happily lose.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your betting that to win either way?

Happy to get the money, or happy to see the over on the starts.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 8, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

for these two? i'm not stupid.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wanted to see if i could get something concrete out of you, instead of this lawyer-speak:
i’m not saying it’s a good bet that they make 45 starts. i’m saying that’s a reasonable target for what they’d need to start in order for the white sox to be competitive

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't see how that's "lawyer-speak" either.

that’s me not making stupid predictions. anyone who bets on these two making 40+ starts at this point is either retarded or a total optimist. the other aspect is me commenting upon what performance one can expect from these two and what performance one can expect from the rest of the white sox options based upon a projected number of starts.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're a fun guy, you know that?

i’m sure your wife married you for your impulsive, live by the seat of your pants nature.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's just 21st century living, man

don’t put yourself on the hook for more than you have to.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not sure if you're familiar with our current economic status

but it’s got a lot to do with people putting themselves on the hook for more than they had to, or could afford to, man.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's so pre-2009 21st century living. get with the times.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just as willing to forget

2001-2008 as the Republican Party is.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009 is us waking up to Suzanne Sommers

explaining how fucked up everything was.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why don't we just wait until the season's over until we throw out odds on what they will do.

our knowledge will never be perfect. there’s no need to wait for more information. anything that you speculate now will be done with the caveat that this was before they had done any live throwing or, for colon, thrown any breaking balls.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because i find ham-fisted, uninformed speculation boring.

probably right up there with the lovely trade talk we’re treated to each july. when there’s something with which to actually speculate upon, then i’ll talk about it.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love ham-fisted, uninformed speculation.

but then again, i do it for a living.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm thinking you don't.

and, just to point out, caveating the hell out of a statement is lawyer-speak, not refusing to make one.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're on pace for zero.

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i remember thinking to myself that 25 would be a solid bet

in January, but that the split would be 15/10 Colon/Contreras. even if Bartolo is ready now, that doesn’t necessarily change how many starts he’ll make this year. Jose is what’s changed and he’s what’s going to keep the back of the rotation afloat (assuming it’s seaworthy in the first place).

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The White Sox have an excellent track record with keeping players healthy.

So i’m sure they will determine the best course of action.

Now if we were to trade them away, I’d be positive that they were both damaged.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

missing out on the last point there

we wouldn’t be able to trade them if they were damaged. trade scenario for either would occur if the sox are out of the contention and the C or C are pitching at a competent level.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No i wasn't missing the point.

I was stating that when we trade away a pitcher he usually has problems.
But that we have been pretty good with reclamation projects.
Plus I don’t think either would bring much back in a trade.

It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by ElDiablo on Mar 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

indie bands that ripped off the fall

or indie bands that mark smith says ripped off the fall?

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

imprint was evident on S+E

i think we’ve talked about this, no? did you watch the video, hearing mark e smith talk about anything is gold

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no i just like fucking with mark smith

he’s got a big enough ego

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think what Alexei was trying to say...

I’ve spent a fair amount of time in Cuba and I think you can look at the motivation of those playing the game down there much like the negro leagues of 60+ years ago. Basically, a bunch of poor young guys riding around in shitty buses, playing for meal money, with no great illusion about fame and fortune – they do it because it’s a good and fun thing to do for a living.

The goods that money buys just isn’t available and neither are all of the trappings of pro athletes – so those things, while appreciated when they come along, are not held out as attainable.

Add on top of that the enhanced cuban cultural value of “it’s not so important what you do for a living, what’s important is that you do it well – and live well”, and that pretty much sums it up.

Cubans seem to know how to live happily, always in there for a really good time, without much.

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Mar 8, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent perspective.

What have you been doing in Cuba?

the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST

by winningugly on Mar 8, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another comparable to throw into the "what would danks and/or floyd get if the sox sign them long-term"

lester 5/$30M with $13M club option for 2014.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-lester1extension030809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just dont get the rush to do these deals.....

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how so?

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is better but the

Carmona situation would give me pause. Add on top of it there is a real possibility of a new market moving forward for a little while. Why give it to him now?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Mar 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i suppose the way i look at it is, what is the worst case of each of these contracts?

obviously, zero value. so what’s the upside? pretty high for most of these guys. carmona was worth about the full guaranteed value of his contract in just one season, 2007. even last year, he was probably worth about that average annual salary. i just don’t see a great deal of risk and certainly not when compared to the reward. ymmv, as we all know that you and i view risk differently.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ymmv= you may munch vag?

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by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your mileage may vary

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no. MM got it correct.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was thinking about that recently. the implications of that could be very interesting.

it could significantly devalue arbitration eligible players by virtue of previous awardings.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Mar 8, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it will be interesting to see how teams shuffle contracts around

there’s an incredibly high value being placed on pre-arb talent at the moment. that’s traditionally been the means of exchange for veteran talent, but considering the demands of most teams, i think that well is going to dry up.

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so teams are going to start looking more like the Marlins?

trying to sell off arb-ready players to avoid being locked into relatively bad contracts?

how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?

by colintj on Mar 8, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

relative to what?

it’s not like arbitration eligible players will ever reach the point of what they could get on the free agent market. the non-marlin mlb teams appear to all be attempting to win at some point in the near future.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so i'm wondering which SSSer is the guy in the stands wearing the white sox hat at the cuba game.

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or Phil Rogers

wasn’t he harping on John Danks for not participating in WBC?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 8, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the webcast for today's game is free. go to chisox.com.

box score with lineups – beckham leads off, ramirez, q, thome, fields, broussard, kroeger, BA, corky.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2009_03_08_lanmlb_chamlb_1

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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Before I even read one comment to catch up here, I'm going to say 2 things....

1. Why is a Cowley link front page?
2. Overqualified at 2B…from BA….oh man, that made me laugh.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

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