Sunday SSS Spectacular White Sox News & Notes
by larry on Mar 8, 2009 10:33 PM CDT
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Merkin says it will be Contreras and not Colon who will open the season in the rotation:
I'm just guessing here right now, but I think Contreras will start the 2009 season as part of the rotation, but Colon, who is coming back from an elbow injury, will not but won't be far behind. By the way, I think both Clayton Richard and Jeff Marquez are locks to make the team in some pitching capacity.
C&C are throwing batting practice tomorrow.
Gordon Beckham continues to get a long look at second base, as he is playing the 'B' game tomorrow morning. The beat reporters are tripping over one another to come up with the superest superlatives for the first real prospect they've ever seen while covering the White Sox in Arizona this century. Ever.
In other second base news, Brent Lillibridge will be back from the flu-like to play at SS in the "real" game against Cleveland, while Chris Getz will start at second. Nix is expected back on Wednesday.
In the game against the Dodgers, Beckham went 3-5 with three doubles and, while he wasn't "flawless", like some reporters would like you to believe (notice the throwing error, Dave?), he appears to be taking to second well. Donny Lucy showed why he has a fan club (get your fusilli donny!) with a 2-3 performance, including a home run, in relief of Corky Miller. Gavin Floyd threw four no-hit innings, with a couple of strikeouts and a couple of walks. Brian Anderson was 1-2 with a walk, HBP, a sacrifice fly to score a run, and threw out Doug Mienkiewicz at the plate. That's called diversifying the skill set, honeys.
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I read that as
“Brent Lillibridge will be back from flu-like play”
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 8, 2009 10:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that works, too.
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by larry on Mar 8, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckham has really good makeup...he's so pretty
“On top of good mechanics and good talent, he seems to have really good makeup.” – Don Cooper
by The Scoper on Mar 8, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here we go BA here we go
clap clap
i suck - the sox dont - SSH2005
by BoeJouma on Mar 8, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg Walker quote from MLB.com
“Right now the only thing we’re working with Jerry on is approach. There’s certain pitches where the law of averages are more with you. There’s a game that Ozzie expects you to play. We want to see you not expanding the strike zone, we want to see you working counts but swinging at pitches you should be swinging at. Ozzie, rightfully so, is pretty demanding of small-ball players. That’s a part of the game he loves and Jerry’s a big part of that”
So this guy’s been playing pro ball for how many years and hasn’t yet picked up on at-bat situational hitting? And we have reason to believe that suddenly he is going to become a smart hitter?
I don’t think you teach smart.
Let’s all pray that BA keeps playing well.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on Mar 9, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Owens is outmatched...
even playing AAA ball.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More coal
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2009 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't understand
“You don’t understand! I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I could’ve been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am.” —-Jerry Owens 3/9/2009
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I think I pulled something” – Jerry Owens’ groin
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 9, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Hasta la vista, baby." ---numerous SS's this year to JO after another CS
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Dick's helmet goes off on another thread,
disparaging my FanShot of Cheat’s propensity to hate on the English, and he is rewarded with a greenie.
Well, NOT ME, DICK’S HELMET! I AM NOT SO EASILY COWED. I recognize an OPOS when I read one.
Someone has to stand up for free speech. And that foot is me.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a fantasy team name...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey so what do you guys think of Beckham making the team?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he's one of those rare people who handle everything well
and pretty much are successful from the start. Unfortunately, even if they do start him in The Show, we won’t be fielding our best team because he’ll be at second and Alexei will be at short……meaning we’re deficient in centerfield, unless Anderson is given an opportunity and shows he can be an effective, all-around, what I call three-quarter time player.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's still having trouble getting released from LA Galaxy
think he will end up in Milan though.
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 9, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, sir.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 9, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't they agree for him to stay till the summer?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes (goal.com)
does the guy have anything left hoodie?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only reason he's gone is that he wants to continue playing for England
he’s very good at the things he’s always been good at, set piece delivery and crossing. His chronic lack of pace isn’t so much a problem in Italy as it would be in the EPL due to the slower games. But yes, he can contribute, because he’s still a very good footballer.
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 9, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to stir the pot, SoB.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the straw that stirs the drink OPOS.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the upside in that move
Sure, maybe he could handle it, but it seems like its asking a lot out of a player, and frankly would reek a little bit of organizational desperation.
Big picture, I don’t see the advantage of moving him to the bigs right away over having him play in AA, see if he rakes there, and then maybe a mid-season promotion to AAA. If the Sox are out of it by the all-star break and Beckham is continuing to do well, sure bring him up before September, when he won’t have such towering expectations on him. If the Sox are still in it, then just give him a September cup of coffee.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 9, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"IF", pffft...the regular season is a just or a formality.
What is this “September Coffee” you speak of…sounds interesting….especially if it is only available one month out of the year.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, the Twins have already won the WS
So you’re right, the regular season is just a formality.
White Sox: Trying to roll a hard six.
by vince_ on Mar 9, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D*mn you PUNTO!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a side note...
Baseball Prospectus is reporting that Brayan Pena may be let go by the Royals…..wouldn’t mind giving him a look, although, isn’t he left-handed? Gotta look that up. I wanna say his calling card is his offense, though.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
heard something about ross gload too!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other thing.....
don’t count out Viciedo for the starting gig at third, either. The Sox are struggling with that one every bit as much as the Beckham decision, per Baseball Prospectus.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience, dante, patience.
It’s the 2nd week of March, fer Chrissakes. We’re talking about careers, not weeks.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
patience?
over-rated!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 9, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, fields proved he could play there.
give the kid a shot. It never hurts showcasing fields for a summer and getting some value in return for him before viciedo starts at 3rd next year.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just reporting what I read.
That third base thing has lost some steam since all of this Beckham talk.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dante I don't think there much to this
John from BP is a bit behind the info curve.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 9, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty decent with his stuff....I read his Sunday entry all the time....
I think he’s better than most. Anyhoo, it’s hard for me to see Viciedo start in the bigs, but I really believe there are unique circumstances with both the Beckham and Viciedo situations that are beyond the normal spring phenom scenarios that make me think both are far from impossibilities.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like his stuff
its just you get things like this when you write once a week. I’d be floored if Fields was not given every opportunity to fail. That said if Viciedo did tear it up in the minors he’d be a likely injury away. Roster construction wise he doesn’t make sense now.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
by Tdogg on Mar 9, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. perrotto is pretty crap with his roundups. fields was the leader and has outplayed viciedo so far. unless he completely shits the bed the rest of the way or gets hurt, this is a non-competition
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is talking about 3B and 2B
but I don’t hear any talk about CF. JO is shitting the bed and BA is playing pretty decent (like he usually does in ST) with Wise also outplaying JO.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
read my front page stuff, slugger.
i cover it. jerry owens can no longer steal bases (remember when i said he was cooked, robbie?) and BA is doing an admirable job of just enough of everything. wise is the guy everyone in the organization loves. jerry is out.
fyi, jerry is leading off and starting in CF today against indians.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why Ozzie corrected himself re: Wise's performance
and didn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Machts nichts anyway. We have a hole in CF just like last year. We’ll deal with it.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie, very smartly, gives guys just enough rope to hang themselves
He’ll give Owens his chances, and when he falls on his face, like everyone with half a brain knows, he’ll be back to AAA or DFA or whatever.
It’s a good management technique IMO.
by madvillian on Mar 9, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still got some pop in the bat
I do remember your references about JO fading, but that was last year. You were 100% correct, his age has started to work against him and his legs.
Everyone loves Wise? Oh boy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure it's been linked somewhere
but “everyone in the organization is stunned that this guy didn’t have a job last year – he’s awesome” is the general quote about wise.
and if jer was fading last year, where would he be this year? the trend of SB% is telling and right in line with an age 25ish peak for a speed player. if he can’t steal a base, i don’t know what good he is at all. the 0-3 so far is obviously a small sample and maybe he’ll go on a tear (pun intended). but the guy never was a great technical basestealer – relied more on speed. some guys prop up their SB rate into their late twenties by becoming a better technician to compensate for loss of raw speed. jer doesn’t seem to be doing that. signs are not, and have not, been good for jer for awhile now.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is entirely possible that we've seen the peak (such as it is)
of JO at the end of ‘07. And it coincides with the nadir of the Sox’ performance on and off the field.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was your favorite moment of the JO era?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he hit a dinger.
Also, his 80% SB rate was decent.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off Roy Halladay, no less
And on the same day Jason Tyner hit his only major-league homer.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Mar 9, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His outfield assist.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question
Is the B game televised? Can you find it online anywhere? I wanna see Beckman play and do not feel like working right now.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 9, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it will be
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 9, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Err Beckham
::slaps wrist::
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Mar 9, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys really should take the BP stuff with a grain of salt
probably 90% of the posters here have the same info they are speculating on, and none of us are really speculating that Viciedo has any shot at 3B. Unless he has some inside access to the decision makers in the White Sox (and I highly doubt that), I take nothing from it.
by madvillian on Mar 9, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
we’re going to be able to read the tea leaves just as well as anyone and there’s no info available that we don’t have access to.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 9, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for a Chris Getz interview - dammit!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may be the rest of you are reading too much into it.
For what it’s worth, Perotto is BP’s attempt at giving readers something other than pure, hard analysis……BP’s forte. I do think, though, and this is my opinion, that he is much more careful about what he puts in his column vs. other rumor mongers. That’s why I say I believe his stuff is more interesting than most……and to be taken with two grains of salt.
by dantesox on Mar 9, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, no room for
two grains of salt . . . I’ve got these sacks.
by jc2313 on Mar 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
salt sacks? or salty sack?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One time I was taking out the garbage from the kitchen and the bathroom.
So I had two bags, and as I was walking to the dumpster in the alley, a random guy asked me for a hand with something and I quickly recognized the situation and replied with “Sorry, got these sacks” and continued on my way. Thus far, this may be my favorite moment from life.
by CatBrains on Mar 9, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colon blows away minor leaguers
per cowley’s tweet
cst_soxColon looks done, and Coop told him “you’re there now.” As he walked off the mound.
by KillaAK on Mar 9, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
also,
cst_sox Colon has turned it up with the fastball. Minor-league hitters don’t have much of a chance.
by KillaAK on Mar 9, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Colon got an elbow transplant or he was facing High Schoolers
I don’t see his fastball getting by minor leaguers much anymore.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he gets it by Fields.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said "minor leaguers"
Not “potential opening day third basemen for defending major league division champions.”
by Sox-35th on Mar 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
details, details.
at least he spelled all the words right.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of you suck.
If he can get it by Fields he can get it by minor leaguers.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure why you think that.
his fastball velocity has been stable around 92 throughout the past few years.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not his velocity,
it’s his durability, that is in question.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=375&position=P
and his velocity was down in one or two starts when he was throwing hurt/coming back, iirc, and that would certainly affect the avg velocity in such a small sample size. if his arm is fine, we should expect his fastball to still be pretty lively.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think first day on the mound to live hitters
after elbow surgery he was throwing a lively 92MPH fastball??? I don’t see it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like this is the first time he's pitched.
I doubt they’d put him in front of hitters if he wasn’t ready.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know for sure. i don't have a gun there.
some guys have trouble with velocity early in their conditioning. others don’t. it wouldn’t surprise me to hear that colon is close to “peak” velocity on his fastball. i’m far more worried about how his arm reacts to breaking balls.
we are talking about bartolo colon against guys who are probably rookie ballers or slightly above. even at 75% or something that’s a mismatch. my point was more that, going forward, we shouldn’t be concerned about his fastball velocity because, despite his injuries and so on, that hasn’t seen a decline.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is working in his off speed stuff and getting ahead in the count, like Coop preaches
Then 88MPH on the black when you’re behind in the count and protecting is tough.
Coop said that Colon has been a thrower most of his career, well now he needs to become a pitcher. I put my faith in Cooper. Whether Colon stays healthy to make more than 10 starts is anyone’s guess. But if healthy, I fully expect him to be a competent 4th or 5th starter. Talking ERA+ about 100 and some good innings eating.
Haha, eating.
by madvillian on Mar 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Sox could sign Gagne? Not that one silly, this one:
Verne Gagne, who at age 83 killed a 97 year old in a nursing home. Now THAT is Chicago tough!
Verne Gagne was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease1 (or, Gagne might have chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) caused by a lifetime of head injuries.2), and has been living in the memory-loss section of a Bloomington, Minnesota health care facility.1 On January 26, 2009, Gagne got into an altercation with Helmut Gutmann, a 97-year old resident of the facility; it is alleged (although not disputed by spokesperson’s on Gagne’s behalf) that Gagne bodyslammed Gutmann (possibly also applying a boston crab), breaking his hip. The man was admitted to the hospital, and died on February 14 of complications from the injury.3 On February 25, 2009, the man’s death was officially ruled a homicide by the Hennepin County medical examiner’s office.4 Gagne had no recollection of the incident.4. Gagne, who has lost most of his short term memory, possibly had a flashback, believing he was in a wrestling match at the time.5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verne_Gagne
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Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for not being relevant
It’s time to break up the SSS bourgeois community. ADHERE TO THE RULES.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for flagging your elders.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Mar 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flagged for thinking you have to respect elderly people
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, lets be respectful to elders
for someday you too, might start to worry about being sent to OPOS Home, where you might get jacked by a homicidal, demented former wrestler
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 9, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any of my kin try to send me to a home
I will come down on them with the wrath of a thousand suns.
Confusion breeds success. If they don't know each other, opponents can't have strategy. GENIUS.
by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just figured it was a preview of when Cheat reduces "cloaking" accounts from 2 to 1
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Mar 9, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
beckham: 1-2 with an RBI
http://scottmerkin.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/colon_and_contreras_update.html
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by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My game notes
last night was the first live action I’ve seen, the feed died after 5 innings and I buggered off out for a pint, 5 innings of Spring Training baseball is probably not worth much but I can only go on what I can go on.
Backup catcher – we don’t need to waste any money on signing a backup catcher, they made the right decision to decline Halls’ option – there’s enough there to provide just as much if not better than what he did.
Floyd – looked dominant, the two walks he gave up had a number of borderline calls, I know it’s Spring Training but he looked to be throwing well within himself, I know it’s intangible but he looked more confident than last season, I was very impressed – his breaking balls bamboozled all the Dodgers batters.
Lexi (Lessy?) – I was hoping that he would use these games to try and see more pitches, but his approach seemed more or less the same as last season. At SS he played very deep and his arm was very strong, he did worry me when waiting for a ball and throwing from his back foot which Konerko had to dig for to get the out, he won’t get away with that all season.
anyway, small sample sizes and all that, 5 innings of live White Sox baseball and these were the things that I noted.
Thanks!
I want a strawberry spinke
by hoodlight on Mar 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fanpost worthy. or at least fanshot worthy.
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by larry on Mar 9, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd all of that
I am concerned with Che as well. If he doesn’t make adjustments…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on everything...
I think I may be getting myself a floyd shirt soon. Though suddenly, my Contreras #52 is back en vogue…
by Crede's Crew on Mar 9, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lexi
after watching i would say you assessment is spot on. Especially in the field. As far as his approach at the plate i would never expect it to change. Konerko referenced Alexei and Dayan a week ago saying:
“He has that same Alexei mind-set — if it’s coming at me, I’m hitting,” Konerko said. “But he’s good and can hit everything. I’m envious of those guys. They are pretty mindless up there.”
You have to take the good with the bad on these guys…
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mindless
If what’s often written about Konerko and his occasional mental constipation at the plate is true, then I imagine he’s jealous of the “mindless” approach. Alexei, and other guys, probably make it look comparitively easy.
And I agree, I wouldn’t expect Alexei to change his approach unless pitchers really exploit holes in his swing. If he’s seeing the pitches he wants, and continues to punish them at the expense of bases on balls, that’s fine.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but isn't it likely that pitchers will make adjustments and not give him the 1st or 2nd pitch to hit?
I guess we’ll find out…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is one thing we've learned about Che,
it’s that he handles what is thrown at him. He has adjusted pretty well on the fly.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat had it (partly) right Opening Day last year:
It would be hypocritical of me to suggest that one game is enough evidence against to call for Ramirez’ demotion after doing almost exactly the opposite in the previous two bullet points. But it does indeed look like Ramirez will have a significant adjustment period at the big leagues. Thankfully, if his final plate appearance against Sabathia is any indication, he does appear to be a quick study.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't argue with the cheat or the WU
but i’m willing to wait the first couple months to assess how pitchers are throwing to him and how che responds…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did he do all of last year?
I usually am down wih your urban feedback (:-))but WTF are you waiting for? I’m more interested in assessing his new fielding position than how pitchers are pitching to him. They all of a sudden are developing a new “book” on his tendencies?
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did struggle the last month last year
but I’m willing to bet that pitchers havent totally figured him out yet. so like osfib said, the jury’s out. Plus, lots more to worry about other than that.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Mar 9, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet he got tired.
And he was good enough to hit a couple of nice grand slams at appropriate times. I would bet he wore down.
However, you both may have a point. I think a “wait and see” is a bit misplaced. If he came up in September and hit for a month or so that would be a different kettle of fish. But he played all year.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fielding is a ?
To me that’s why Beckham shouldn’t even be talked about for the opening day roster…. If alexei drops the ball…. or throws it into the stands, then we need beckham to be ready to come up from AA to play everyday SS….
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 9, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, i don't know what's driving my pessimism on che
but i also know you’re president of his fan club. did you get a box of cubans out of it?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i still haven't explored defensive metrics, even with all the info that colin provides,
but i’m less concerned about defense than hitting.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posture. I like him - I'm not El Hefe of the fan club.
Defensively he scares me more than offensively. He’ll hit. The guys who wait until the last minute to throw off their back feet because their arms are cannons scare me at SS.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did pitchers not adjust last year?
This isn’t 1905.. they get video & scouting reports right away. It’s not like each pitcher was taken by surprise that he was a free swinger.
by Grinder in Training on Mar 9, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
61 k's last year
Projections for 2009 Alexei’s K’s
Chone 56
James 64
Marcel 61
Oliver 66
ZIPS 58
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might want to control for ABs/PAs
they list them as rates too.
how much to the have to pay the Players -- that's what she said -- of the league like BA?
by colintj on Mar 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points about che
I’m worried about his positioning, hands, and jumps. Pretty much the same worries as last year at 2B. He clearly has one of the strongest infield arms in baseball, which allows him to get away with the sloppiness on his reads. But the margin for error is way less at SS than 2B.
I think he’ll be adequate there, and if he puts up another 290/330/500 line then it’s all gravy.
by madvillian on Mar 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayan clips and commentary from Yahoo.
The you tube clips are kinda ….meh and i think there expectations are a little lofty but i’ve read shittier articles…
It's called Sex Panther by Odeon. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real panther, so you know it's good.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by ElDiablo on Mar 9, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Selig Mum on Salary
Ed Sherman Blog:
Bud Selig paid a visit to Cubs camp over the weekend and visited with the reporters. The Tribune’s Paul Sullivan sums up what the commissioner said.
I enjoyed this exchange:
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell took a pay cut from 20% to 25% of his salary for fiscal 2008 and issued a league-wide salary freeze. Would Mr. Selig, who reportedly made $18 million in 2007, make similar concessions?
“We’ve done a lot of things, but we just don’t talk about it,” he said, adding that MLB has instituted a hiring freeze.
But would Mr. Selig agree to a pay cut?
“Well, the news about (my salary) was two years old,” he said. “That (salary) was ‘07. And a lot of people have forgotten all that, and I’m not really going to comment on that. But the fact is we’ve made a lot of very significant adjustments and we’ll continue to.”
Sounds like the Commish didn’t take a pay cut.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 9, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"that was so 2 years ago people"
AT LEAST HAVE FACTS. COME AT ME WITH FACTS!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Contreras is ready?
I thought he was going to be out till Mid-June.
Larry just needs to get laid
get him a blowup doll for god sakes
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Mar 9, 2009 7:14 AM CDT
by dasox313 on Mar 9, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
you don’t actually read anything here, do you?
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, kid. Here's some advice (in case you aren't being obtuse just to raise my blood pressure):
1. There have been NUMEROUS stories written about the Count being ahead of rehab schedule, in the normal press and on the front page here. If you’re going to participate, at least become familiar with the site and previous postings.
2. You are TOO YOUNG for your new sig, and it’s stupid too:
Because it takes a shot at larry, you think it’s funny and appropriate. What you don’t know is that you’re quoting someone else who has almost as much credibility as you.
3. Sit back, read Fanposts and Fanshots for a day or three, learn before you leap.
I hate teenagers.
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 9, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would pay
to see larry twitching in his chair as he holds back from replying to his post . . . . priceless.
by jc2313 on Mar 9, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
larry may be larry, but I don't think he's into child abuse.
Me on the other hand…
"I never had sex with that Governor" -
Roland Burris
by Chiburb on Mar 9, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't we got game today?
Still not enough editors…and larry don’t do gamethreads.
the post wasn't for you. fuck off.
by larry on Feb 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST
by winningugly on Mar 9, 2009 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's on the radio right now.
Almost first pitch time.
Settle down with the designer stats. This isn’t fucking algebra, it’s baseball..
by defensive indifference on Mar 9, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ask and ye shall receive
But Frank Thomas was always his own guy, he always lived by some sort of code that wasn’t especially clear to anyone but him.
by U-God on Mar 9, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cabrera contract details.
oakland agree to not offer arbitration if he’s a type a. also gets $250K if traded.
southsidesox.com - now the best place on the interwebs for chicago white sox analysis and discussion.
by larry on Mar 9, 2009 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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